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All-NBA Best In Show Cup - First Round #1 (Scoobus v Doug, Gally v EYLive, Wikkid v Jake, Jayrod v Ilov80s) (1 Viewer)
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Matchup #3: Gally vs EYLive
Team Gally (Tony Parker, Jason Terry, Peja Stojakovic, Tim Duncan, & Dwight Howard):
I think this team has the best blend of shooting, inside game, defense and game management of any of my submissions. In fact, all 5 members have won NBA titles so they know how to win. I have rebounding champs, block shot champs, a Hall of Famer, MVP's of all kinds (regular season, Finals, and All Star Games), a ROY, Defensive Player of the year and many more. All told the individual accolades are incredible:
Now on to the individuals:
PG - Tony Parker: 15.5/2.7/5.6 career averages with a PER of 18.2 and WS of 111.3. His best single season numbers for each category are 22.0/3.7/7.7 and 1.2 steals/game. Parker is the perfect point guard for this squad. As we know he knows how to win and he knows how to work with Tim Duncan. That right there is a huge advantage over every other squad in this category. Two guys that know each other so well they can take over games on that alone. Parker also plays biggest in the biggest games and there is no bigger tournament than the Yo Mama Tournament. He will control the game, score when needed and get the team into it's offense. He can play acceptable defense and be good enough with the big guys behind him. A perfect PG for this team.
SG - Jason Terry: 13.4/2.3/3.8 career averages with a PER of 16.2 and WS of 102.0. His best single season numbers for each category are 19.7/4.1/7.4 and 1.8 steals/game. An elite shooter, Terry has made the seventh-most career three-pointers in NBA history (at the time of this posting). He fits great for this squad as he can play off the ball and be an outside specialist with plenty of room with the defense collapsing on Duncan. He can also handle the ball well enough to run the offense and get them out and running. One of just 13 players in NBA history with at least 18,000 points, 5,000 assists and 1,500 steals. Has one of the greatest superstitions ever as he must sleep in the shorts of his opponent the night before a game
SF - Peja Stojakovic: 17.0/4.7/1.8 career averages with a PER of 17.1 and WS of 82.6. His best single season numbers for each category are 24.2/6.3/2.5 and 1.3 steals/game. He won the NBA Three-Point Contest two times, and was the first European-born player to win one of the All-Star Weekend competitions. Stojaković made 1,760 three-point field goals in his career which ranked 10th all-time at the point of his retirement. This is exactly what I drafted him for with this squad. A 3 point assassin. A career 40% 3-pt shooter with a season best of 44%. Peja will really spread the floor coupled with JET leaving Duncan clear to work or vice versa.
PF - Tim Duncan: 19.0/10.8/3.0 career averages with a PER of 24.2 and WS of 206.4. His best single season numbers for each category are 25.5/12.9/3.9 and 2.9 blocks/game. Obviously the Big Fundamental is the cornerstone of this squad. In his prime he was a premier defender (15 All NBA Defensive Teams). Duncan is the only player to be selected to both the All-NBA and All-Defensive Teams for 13 consecutive seasons. This defensive prowess allows for the backcourt to gamble and make plays without worrying about getting beaten to the basket. A great team defender gets even better when paired with the Center for this squad. Duncan has gained a reputation as a clutch player, as evidenced by his three NBA Finals MVP awards and his playoff career averages being higher than his regular season statistics. Bill Russell further compliments Duncan on his passing ability, and rates him as one of the most efficient players of his generation, a view shared by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Because of his versatility and success, basketball experts widely consider Duncan to be the greatest power forward in NBA history,
C - Dwight Howard: 16.3/12.1/1.4 career averages with a PER of 21.4 and WS of 136.8. His best single season numbers for each category are 22.9/14.5/1.9 and 2.9 blocks/game. The beauty of Howard's fit on this squad is that he can just play defense, run the court, and hit the offensive glass. He doesn't need the offense to run through him and will excel in this role with his athleticism. Being the Defensive POY three times he will make up for any perceived defensive deficiency this squad my have. He also fits very complimentary to Duncan in the frontcourt. Howard's abilities and powerful physique have drawn attention from fellow NBA All-Stars. Tim Duncan once remarked in 2007: "[Howard] is so developed... He has so much promise and I am glad that I will be out of the league when he is peaking." Kevin Garnett echoed those sentiments: "[Howard] is a freak of nature, man... I was nowhere near that physically talented. I wasn't that gifted, as far as body and physical presence." Subsequent to a game in the 2009 NBA Playoffs, Philadelphia 76ers swingman Andre Iguodala said: "It's like he can guard two guys at once. He can guard his guy and the guy coming off the pick-and-roll, which is almost impossible to do... If he gets any more athletic or jumps any higher, they're going to have to change the rules." That's some pretty hefty praise from his direct competition in this thing.
This is my best squad and probably best complimentary team I assembled. There really isn't a weakness as the only perceived weakness is covered by the strength of Duncan and Howard defensively.
Now on the matchup: The only real threat and bad matchup is Kobe but that is fine. He can get his. There is also a bit of a problem in fit as Kobe needs the ball in his hands as does Marbury. They will each take away from the other which downgrades the best part of EYLive's team. In generaly EYLive's squad is a good squad but this matchup is bad for them. There is also no answer on this team for my frontcourt of Duncan and Howard. They will shut down the paint defensively and there is no answer for them offensively either. Marion is a solid defender but his skills get diminished somewhat in that the strength of Team Gally is the inside presence of Duncan/Howard. Marion will be taken away from the basket by Peja because he can't leave him open for easy threes. I really don't see this as much of a contest when you really get down to it. Team Gally should dominate both the offensive and defensive boards and make Kobe take contested shots. Even if he puts up 50 it still won't be enough to beat Team Gally.
Team Gally (Tony Parker, Jason Terry, Peja Stojakovic, Tim Duncan, & Dwight Howard):
I think this team has the best blend of shooting, inside game, defense and game management of any of my submissions. In fact, all 5 members have won NBA titles so they know how to win. I have rebounding champs, block shot champs, a Hall of Famer, MVP's of all kinds (regular season, Finals, and All Star Games), a ROY, Defensive Player of the year and many more. All told the individual accolades are incredible:
- 12 NBA Titles
- 32 All Star Game Appearances
- 28 All NBA Team Appearances
- 20 All Defensive Team Appearances
- 3 Defensive Players of the Year
- 4 Finals MVP's
- 2 Regular Season MVP's
- 2 Three-Point Contest Winners
- 1 All Star Game MVP
- 1 Rookie of the Year
- 1 Hall of Famer
Now on to the individuals:
PG - Tony Parker: 15.5/2.7/5.6 career averages with a PER of 18.2 and WS of 111.3. His best single season numbers for each category are 22.0/3.7/7.7 and 1.2 steals/game. Parker is the perfect point guard for this squad. As we know he knows how to win and he knows how to work with Tim Duncan. That right there is a huge advantage over every other squad in this category. Two guys that know each other so well they can take over games on that alone. Parker also plays biggest in the biggest games and there is no bigger tournament than the Yo Mama Tournament. He will control the game, score when needed and get the team into it's offense. He can play acceptable defense and be good enough with the big guys behind him. A perfect PG for this team.
SG - Jason Terry: 13.4/2.3/3.8 career averages with a PER of 16.2 and WS of 102.0. His best single season numbers for each category are 19.7/4.1/7.4 and 1.8 steals/game. An elite shooter, Terry has made the seventh-most career three-pointers in NBA history (at the time of this posting). He fits great for this squad as he can play off the ball and be an outside specialist with plenty of room with the defense collapsing on Duncan. He can also handle the ball well enough to run the offense and get them out and running. One of just 13 players in NBA history with at least 18,000 points, 5,000 assists and 1,500 steals. Has one of the greatest superstitions ever as he must sleep in the shorts of his opponent the night before a game
SF - Peja Stojakovic: 17.0/4.7/1.8 career averages with a PER of 17.1 and WS of 82.6. His best single season numbers for each category are 24.2/6.3/2.5 and 1.3 steals/game. He won the NBA Three-Point Contest two times, and was the first European-born player to win one of the All-Star Weekend competitions. Stojaković made 1,760 three-point field goals in his career which ranked 10th all-time at the point of his retirement. This is exactly what I drafted him for with this squad. A 3 point assassin. A career 40% 3-pt shooter with a season best of 44%. Peja will really spread the floor coupled with JET leaving Duncan clear to work or vice versa.
PF - Tim Duncan: 19.0/10.8/3.0 career averages with a PER of 24.2 and WS of 206.4. His best single season numbers for each category are 25.5/12.9/3.9 and 2.9 blocks/game. Obviously the Big Fundamental is the cornerstone of this squad. In his prime he was a premier defender (15 All NBA Defensive Teams). Duncan is the only player to be selected to both the All-NBA and All-Defensive Teams for 13 consecutive seasons. This defensive prowess allows for the backcourt to gamble and make plays without worrying about getting beaten to the basket. A great team defender gets even better when paired with the Center for this squad. Duncan has gained a reputation as a clutch player, as evidenced by his three NBA Finals MVP awards and his playoff career averages being higher than his regular season statistics. Bill Russell further compliments Duncan on his passing ability, and rates him as one of the most efficient players of his generation, a view shared by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Because of his versatility and success, basketball experts widely consider Duncan to be the greatest power forward in NBA history,
C - Dwight Howard: 16.3/12.1/1.4 career averages with a PER of 21.4 and WS of 136.8. His best single season numbers for each category are 22.9/14.5/1.9 and 2.9 blocks/game. The beauty of Howard's fit on this squad is that he can just play defense, run the court, and hit the offensive glass. He doesn't need the offense to run through him and will excel in this role with his athleticism. Being the Defensive POY three times he will make up for any perceived defensive deficiency this squad my have. He also fits very complimentary to Duncan in the frontcourt. Howard's abilities and powerful physique have drawn attention from fellow NBA All-Stars. Tim Duncan once remarked in 2007: "[Howard] is so developed... He has so much promise and I am glad that I will be out of the league when he is peaking." Kevin Garnett echoed those sentiments: "[Howard] is a freak of nature, man... I was nowhere near that physically talented. I wasn't that gifted, as far as body and physical presence." Subsequent to a game in the 2009 NBA Playoffs, Philadelphia 76ers swingman Andre Iguodala said: "It's like he can guard two guys at once. He can guard his guy and the guy coming off the pick-and-roll, which is almost impossible to do... If he gets any more athletic or jumps any higher, they're going to have to change the rules." That's some pretty hefty praise from his direct competition in this thing.
This is my best squad and probably best complimentary team I assembled. There really isn't a weakness as the only perceived weakness is covered by the strength of Duncan and Howard defensively.
Now on the matchup: The only real threat and bad matchup is Kobe but that is fine. He can get his. There is also a bit of a problem in fit as Kobe needs the ball in his hands as does Marbury. They will each take away from the other which downgrades the best part of EYLive's team. In generaly EYLive's squad is a good squad but this matchup is bad for them. There is also no answer on this team for my frontcourt of Duncan and Howard. They will shut down the paint defensively and there is no answer for them offensively either. Marion is a solid defender but his skills get diminished somewhat in that the strength of Team Gally is the inside presence of Duncan/Howard. Marion will be taken away from the basket by Peja because he can't leave him open for easy threes. I really don't see this as much of a contest when you really get down to it. Team Gally should dominate both the offensive and defensive boards and make Kobe take contested shots. Even if he puts up 50 it still won't be enough to beat Team Gally.
trader jake
Footballguy
Wikkidpissah (1980s) - Magic Johnson, Darrell Griffith, Bernard King, Wayman Tisdale, Patrick Ewing
vs
Trader Jake (1990s) - Mark Price, Hersey Hawkins, Grant Hill, Charles Barkley, Brad Daugherty
One team has Magic Johnson, so they win, right? Wrong. That team has Magic & Ewing and a team build around them that would make the current Minnesota Timberwolves jealous. If the defense doubles Magic, who is the secondary ballhandler? (A: nobody) When Magic passes, who can knock down shots from 3? (A: nobody) Aside from Ewing blocking the occasional shot, who plays defense on this team? (A: nobody)
Now let's answer those same questions for the other team. Get the ball out of Mark Price's hands and Grant Hill's point forward skills would be on display. Or give it to Charles Barkley and his ability to draw defensive attention to open others up would be an issue. When a distributor passes, Mark Price (a career 50/40/90 shooter) and Hersey Hawkins, (top 10 points scorer in NCAA history and 40% 3pt shooter in the NBA) would destroy from the outside. On defense Price and Daugherty were tough, versatile defenders that played great within a team concept and Grant Hill's defensive prowess could take away lesser players entirely or make all-time greats earn everything they get.
So one team has two great players and a team build where each piece needs the ball to be their best. The best 3pt shooter on the entire team was Magic, so defenses could pack the lanes and force tough shots. On the other side, the Barkley team has much better team rebounding, more versatile defenders, and floor spacing with shooting to boot. The 1980's team has a few great talents, but this 1990's team around Barkley makes sense as a team and has many more ways to win this match-up.
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Trader Jake (1990s) - Mark Price, Hersey Hawkins, Grant Hill, Charles Barkley, Brad Daugherty
One team has Magic Johnson, so they win, right? Wrong. That team has Magic & Ewing and a team build around them that would make the current Minnesota Timberwolves jealous. If the defense doubles Magic, who is the secondary ballhandler? (A: nobody) When Magic passes, who can knock down shots from 3? (A: nobody) Aside from Ewing blocking the occasional shot, who plays defense on this team? (A: nobody)
Now let's answer those same questions for the other team. Get the ball out of Mark Price's hands and Grant Hill's point forward skills would be on display. Or give it to Charles Barkley and his ability to draw defensive attention to open others up would be an issue. When a distributor passes, Mark Price (a career 50/40/90 shooter) and Hersey Hawkins, (top 10 points scorer in NCAA history and 40% 3pt shooter in the NBA) would destroy from the outside. On defense Price and Daugherty were tough, versatile defenders that played great within a team concept and Grant Hill's defensive prowess could take away lesser players entirely or make all-time greats earn everything they get.
So one team has two great players and a team build where each piece needs the ball to be their best. The best 3pt shooter on the entire team was Magic, so defenses could pack the lanes and force tough shots. On the other side, the Barkley team has much better team rebounding, more versatile defenders, and floor spacing with shooting to boot. The 1980's team has a few great talents, but this 1990's team around Barkley makes sense as a team and has many more ways to win this match-up.
scoobus
Footballguy
Scoobus (2000s) - Jason Kidd, Ray Allen, Bruce Bowen, Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'Neal
vs.
Doug B (2010s) - Steph Curry, Zach Lavine, Paul George, Domantas Sabonis, Nikola Vucevic
The destruction Shaq and Garnett would put on those poor Euros would be hard to watch. Only one of Curry and Lavine could hide on Bowen, the other would be in for a long night. On defense, Jason Kidd tries to slow down Curry as best he can, and he's as good as any to try doing it. Bowen limits Paul George, who likely turn into Playoff P anyways. Sabonis and Vucevic are forced to try and shoot long jumpers since they stand no chance anywhere near the paint. It could get ugly folks.
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Doug B (2010s) - Steph Curry, Zach Lavine, Paul George, Domantas Sabonis, Nikola Vucevic
The destruction Shaq and Garnett would put on those poor Euros would be hard to watch. Only one of Curry and Lavine could hide on Bowen, the other would be in for a long night. On defense, Jason Kidd tries to slow down Curry as best he can, and he's as good as any to try doing it. Bowen limits Paul George, who likely turn into Playoff P anyways. Sabonis and Vucevic are forced to try and shoot long jumpers since they stand no chance anywhere near the paint. It could get ugly folks.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
sez you. defense rests
*Attorney for the Defense sparks up some lunch and giggles at the concept of Mark Price & Hersey Hawkins with pitons & crampons attempting to summit Mount Magic*
trader jake
Footballguy
You got that right. The defense on Magic's team looks like it would rest...a lot. Sir Charles and Grant Hill are looking across at King and Tisdale and are seeing open lanes to drive through while two deadly shooters from 3 are outside the arc to capitalize when one of them wakes from their slumber and does attempt to play some defense. Ole!
Jayrod
Footballguy
Jayrod vs Ilov80's - The "Got screwed in the Best In Show voting/seeding game" bowl
Seriously, how we ended up #8 and #9 is just ignorant, but whatever.
Pettit and Russell are all-time greats...probably 2 of the first 5 superstars in NBA history. Chet Walker is fun and a mid-level talent for this contest, but the guards are not up to par. Sure there are multiple MVP's on their team, but against who? The only real competition at that time was Wilt and Russell had all of the advantages over him. Which brings up the point, how many Greek players like Giannis (or any other European for that matter) were playing in the NBA in the 1960's? The answer is zero. Half the league today is foreign and shows the vast multitude of additional players to draw from. Russell and Pettit simply didn't play against the best in the world.
Giannis calls Pettit's MVPs and raises him a DPOY. Giannis will contain Pettit on the offensive end and his size is a nightmare. Forget his strength, he's length and skill level is the real issue here. Also, D-Wade is an all-time great, HOF SG and no one on ilov80's team can stop him or score on him. Lillard is a faster and better shooter than either the guards and will get plenty of good looks himself. Meanwhile, Horford and Iggy can play defense on Walker and Russell (who wasn't much of a scorer) and move the ball around. The only real scoring advantage that ilov80's has is Chet Walker, but it isn't enough to overcome Giannis, Wade & Lillard.
My prediction is that the guards run circles around their counterparts, the bigs hold their own and Iggy works his tail off to contain Walker and deliver a close, hard fought defensive game. Team Jayrod wins like 92-85.
Seriously, how we ended up #8 and #9 is just ignorant, but whatever.
Pettit and Russell are all-time greats...probably 2 of the first 5 superstars in NBA history. Chet Walker is fun and a mid-level talent for this contest, but the guards are not up to par. Sure there are multiple MVP's on their team, but against who? The only real competition at that time was Wilt and Russell had all of the advantages over him. Which brings up the point, how many Greek players like Giannis (or any other European for that matter) were playing in the NBA in the 1960's? The answer is zero. Half the league today is foreign and shows the vast multitude of additional players to draw from. Russell and Pettit simply didn't play against the best in the world.
Giannis calls Pettit's MVPs and raises him a DPOY. Giannis will contain Pettit on the offensive end and his size is a nightmare. Forget his strength, he's length and skill level is the real issue here. Also, D-Wade is an all-time great, HOF SG and no one on ilov80's team can stop him or score on him. Lillard is a faster and better shooter than either the guards and will get plenty of good looks himself. Meanwhile, Horford and Iggy can play defense on Walker and Russell (who wasn't much of a scorer) and move the ball around. The only real scoring advantage that ilov80's has is Chet Walker, but it isn't enough to overcome Giannis, Wade & Lillard.
My prediction is that the guards run circles around their counterparts, the bigs hold their own and Iggy works his tail off to contain Walker and deliver a close, hard fought defensive game. Team Jayrod wins like 92-85.
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Gawain
Footballguy
It's not clear that the teams are playing under the 2021 rule set. Having a stretch 4 without a three point line makes a lot less of a difference. Pettit and Russell didn't exist in a DPOY environment. Placing the 60's club in the 2021 game makes as much sense as allowing Russell to funnel errant shots into the basket while Horford looks on dumbfounded.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Rough, voting here. My team is maybe the most decorated team in the entire tournament but sure my back court isn't good enough because my PG is a HOFer with 7 ASG, 5 All Pros and 5 Titles in a 10 year career. 38 All Stars, 7 MVPs, 27 All NBAs, 20 NBA Titles, 4 Rebound Titles 2 Scoring Titles, 5 All Star MVPs, 4 Hall of Famers. Plus who knows how many All Defense, DPOTY, Block Leaders it would have had if those things were counted then.
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Jayrod
Footballguy
Well, considering Russell played most nights against guys like me, not quite as impressive.
Pick up game portion........Team game where roster construction has just as much or more importance than personal accolades.
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