What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.

Maxine Waters (1 Viewer)

jm192

Footballguy
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maxine-waters-urges-minnesota-anti-police-crowd-to-stay-on-the-street-if-chauvin-acquitted-in-floyd-case
 

California Rep shows up in MN and encourages protestors to become more confrontational if justice is not served.  Goes on to say manslaughter is not acceptable when asked about potential verdicts.

We’ve already seen protests nationwide lead to violence, destruction, looting, i juries and death. 
 

Is it appropriate for a political leader to tell people to become “more confrontational,” given all that we’ve seen?

Edit to Add:  It would be fantastic if we could avoid making this about Trump.  I know someone is just waiting for another thread to turn into Trump bashing, but give it a shot folks. 

 
Last edited by a moderator:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maxine-waters-urges-minnesota-anti-police-crowd-to-stay-on-the-street-if-chauvin-acquitted-in-floyd-case

California Rep shows up in MN and encourages protestors to become more confrontational if justice is not served.  Goes on to say manslaughter is not acceptable when asked about potential verdicts.

We’ve already seen protests nationwide lead to violence, destruction, looting, i juries and death.

Is it appropriate for a political leader to tell people to become “more confrontational,” given all that we’ve seen?
Too bad squistion isn't here to tell us she's not basically trying to incite them to riot.

 
And no, she's utterly reprehensible. Don't know if you were around for the LA riots discussion, but Waters was at the forefront of that, too. squistion, bless his Blue Wall heart, was trying to tell us she wasn't at all inciting riots over the Rodney King case. Yes, indeed, Team Blue. Yes indeed. She's despicable. Despicable woman from a heck on an area.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maxine-waters-urges-minnesota-anti-police-crowd-to-stay-on-the-street-if-chauvin-acquitted-in-floyd-case
 

California Rep shows up in MN and encourages protestors to become more confrontational if justice is not served.  Goes on to say manslaughter is not acceptable when asked about potential verdicts.

We’ve already seen protests nationwide lead to violence, destruction, looting, i juries and death. 
 

Is it appropriate for a political leader to tell people to become “more confrontational,” given all that we’ve seen?
No it isn’t appropriate at all and she should be bashed for such rhetoric. Called out by leadership and punished in some way.  It’s dangerous and irresponsible.

 
This is OK:

"We’ve got to get justice in this country and we cannot allow these killings to continue."

This is definitely not OK:

 "We've got to stay on the street and we've got to get more active, we've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business."

 
Isn't she like 80? I doubt she's doing it for her career. She's always been am extremist and this isn't the first time she's flirted with inciting violence. 
Heck, she's on the congressional record promoting the idea of nationalizing whole industries.  She's a fruitcake.

 
I don't view this as any different from John Lewis talking about "good trouble" and "redeeming the soul of America." There is a very large distinction between encouraging protest and encouraging the below. You're free to hate the loud black woman though.

Its almost like she realizes that getting a bunch of black people to commit crimes on tv is good for her career. 

 
I don't view this as any different from John Lewis talking about "good trouble" and "redeeming the soul of America." There is a very large distinction between encouraging protest and encouraging the below. You're free to hate the loud black woman though.
This was summed up perfectly above. 

This is OK:

"We’ve got to get justice in this country and we cannot allow these killings to continue."

This is definitely not OK:

 "We've got to stay on the street and we've got to get more active, we've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business."
But I am sure you got your virtue signaling points in with your post. Good job. 

 
I don't view this as any different from John Lewis talking about "good trouble" and "redeeming the soul of America." There is a very large distinction between encouraging protest and encouraging the below. You're free to hate the loud black woman though.
We hate the "LBW" because of her message and not because she's a "LBW".  One of the above posts nailed it about her.  She was a real treat in the LA Riots also.  I've watched a lot of video about them, and she always found the microphone and cameras.  It was very Farrakahn-esque.

 
I don't view this as any different from John Lewis talking about "good trouble" and "redeeming the soul of America." There is a very large distinction between encouraging protest and encouraging the below. You're free to hate the loud black woman though.
I’ll admit it. You’re right.

I don’t like loud black women.

I don’t like loud white women either.

Im sure you only have a problem with me not liking one but not the other, huh?

 
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maxine-waters-urges-minnesota-anti-police-crowd-to-stay-on-the-street-if-chauvin-acquitted-in-floyd-case
 

California Rep shows up in MN and encourages protestors to become more confrontational if justice is not served.  Goes on to say manslaughter is not acceptable when asked about potential verdicts.

We’ve already seen protests nationwide lead to violence, destruction, looting, i juries and death. 
 

Is it appropriate for a political leader to tell people to become “more confrontational,” given all that we’ve seen?

Edit to Add:  It would be fantastic if we could avoid making this about Trump.  I know someone is just waiting for another thread to turn into Trump bashing, but give it a shot folks. 
Bummer - you already did.

Maxine is an embarrassment and should be censured for the comments and voted out next time.

 
I’ll admit it. You’re right.

I don’t like loud black women.

I don’t like loud white women either.

Im sure you only have a problem with me not liking one but not the other, huh?
So long as you don’t like loud men either. Otherwise this doesn’t come off so well...

 
I don't view this as any different from John Lewis talking about "good trouble" and "redeeming the soul of America." There is a very large distinction between encouraging protest and encouraging the below. You're free to hate the loud black woman though.
I think there are a lot of differences between her rhetoric and demeanor and that of Lewis.

 
I don't view this as any different from John Lewis talking about "good trouble" and "redeeming the soul of America." There is a very large distinction between encouraging protest and encouraging the below. You're free to hate the loud black woman though.
Man, this is wild.  It just seems like you came looking for a fight.

I don't know if anyone "hates" her.  Has anyone complained about the "loud black woman."  Or have we all just pointed out the congresswoman encouraging "more confrontation" outside of her own state even--is bad?

 
Man, this is wild.  It just seems like you came looking for a fight.

I don't know if anyone "hates" her.  Has anyone complained about the "loud black woman."  Or have we all just pointed out the congresswoman encouraging "more confrontation" outside of her own state even--is bad?
I do think she is a hated figure, on par with AOC, for loudly refuting Trump. Being vocal has made her a target for right wing media, and any comment she makes will be parsed and placed in an above the fold link to magnify their negative casting of her statement. I don't view her statement as condoning violence or a plea for people to "commit crimes." I don't think anything she has done here deserves a new thread 

 
I do think she is a hated figure, on par with AOC, for loudly refuting Trump. Being vocal has made her a target for right wing media, and any comment she makes will be parsed and placed in an above the fold link to magnify their negative casting of her statement. I don't view her statement as condoning violence or a plea for people to "commit crimes." I don't think anything she has done here deserves a new thread 
Going to another state and telling them to be "more confrontational" when we've had property damage, looting, etc. seems ok?  That doesn't seem unbecoming of a congresswoman? 

At no point did she say commit crimes.  But the riots have been...intense.  And asking for more confrontation would seem to suggest increased intensity.  I don't think she meant chant louder, march further.  Do you?

I've been told when prominent politicians say things--people often take it as condoning something or approving of a given behavior.  I guess I think a prominent black congress woman saying "more confrontation" could be interpreted as approving/condoning of "taking up a notch."  When we're already at a pretty high level.  I can 100% see people saying "Maxine said more confrontation, let's give 'em more confrontation."

 
I do think she is a hated figure, on par with AOC, for loudly refuting Trump. Being vocal has made her a target for right wing media, and any comment she makes will be parsed and placed in an above the fold link to magnify their negative casting of her statement. I don't view her statement as condoning violence or a plea for people to "commit crimes." I don't think anything she has done here deserves a new thread 
In your view, what does "get more confrontational" mean?  in the context of where she was.

 
In your view, what does "get more confrontational" mean?  in the context of where she was.
I do not know who she was talking to, but basic journalism begged the question to be asked. Funny how no one there saw fit to ask. 
I believe what she did was inciting violence. I also believe she crossed state lines to incite violence,  thus making it a federal crime.

 
In your view, what does "get more confrontational" mean?  in the context of where she was.
Here's the full video 

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1383635117147451417

She said she is hopeful there will be a guilty verdict, and when someone asked what protestors should do if there's a not guilty verdict, she said "we have to stay on the street, we've got to get more active, we've got to get more confrontational, we've got to let them know we mean business."

This feels very much like a "orange man bad" argument. If the street reporter offered a follow up question of whether she supported burning down the city if there is a not guilty verdict, what do you think she would say?

Going to another state and telling them to be "more confrontational" when we've had property damage, looting, etc. seems ok?  That doesn't seem unbecoming of a congresswoman? 
I don't view it any different as Jesse Jackson being there, in that I don't really care and view it as a nonstory and manufactured outrage porn. I don't view it as unbecoming of a congresswoman to travel to another district to voice your support for protestors. I view it as similar to AOC raising money for and visiting Texas during the winter storm issues. It is an important situation that affects the whole country.

 
Here's the full video 

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1383635117147451417

She said she is hopeful there will be a guilty verdict, and when someone asked what protestors should do if there's a not guilty verdict, she said "we have to stay on the street, we've got to get more active, we've got to get more confrontational, we've got to let them know we mean business."

This feels very much like a "orange man bad" argument. If the street reporter offered a follow up question of whether she supported burning down the city if there is a not guilty verdict, what do you think she would say?

I don't view it any different as Jesse Jackson being there, in that I don't really care and view it as a nonstory and manufactured outrage porn. I don't view it as unbecoming of a congresswoman to travel to another district to voice your support for protestors. I view it as similar to AOC raising money for and visiting Texas during the winter storm issues. It is an important situation that affects the whole country.
I assure you, I watched the video before posting the thread.  

I don't know what she would say--because the reporters let her off easy.  But I would like to hear what YOU think is more confrontational?  

We've seen pretty intense protests with property destruction, human beings injured.  What's "more confrontational" than that?  Seriously?

And people post how politicans words matter.  People hear that as normalizing behavior/condoning behavior.  I've heard this ever since I started posting here.  But now Maxine Waters just meant let's protest better.  Let's chant louder.  Let's march with more force?  Come on man.

 
Here's the full video 

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1383635117147451417

She said she is hopeful there will be a guilty verdict, and when someone asked what protestors should do if there's a not guilty verdict, she said "we have to stay on the street, we've got to get more active, we've got to get more confrontational, we've got to let them know we mean business."

This feels very much like a "orange man bad" argument. If the street reporter offered a follow up question of whether she supported burning down the city if there is a not guilty verdict, what do you think she would say?

I don't view it any different as Jesse Jackson being there, in that I don't really care and view it as a nonstory and manufactured outrage porn. I don't view it as unbecoming of a congresswoman to travel to another district to voice your support for protestors. I view it as similar to AOC raising money for and visiting Texas during the winter storm issues. It is an important situation that affects the whole country.
AOC is raising money, Waters is raising hate.  

 
I don’t understand how she keeps getting re-elected. She’s terrible. I don’t know anyone who is a fan. 
I don't think its unique to the right or left.  I think a few potential drivers.  Smaller districts.  Core voter base with shared extreme views.  Legacy surviving on name recognition.  Can be a combination of all but not necessary.

 
jm192 said:
I assure you, I watched the video before posting the thread.  

I don't know what she would say--because the reporters let her off easy.  But I would like to hear what YOU think is more confrontational?  

We've seen pretty intense protests with property destruction, human beings injured.  What's "more confrontational" than that?  Seriously?

And people post how politicans words matter.  People hear that as normalizing behavior/condoning behavior.  I've heard this ever since I started posting here.  But now Maxine Waters just meant let's protest better.  Let's chant louder.  Let's march with more force?  Come on man.
I agree it is easy to inflate this into something controversial. If you view her as a dangerous person, it is easy to project something dangerous on this phrase. I don't think she meant what you/Fox are projecting on to her. In the same interviews she encouraged people to register to vote and said she would help "speak truth to power." I would take her off the cuff remark on "confrontation" as a continuation of "speak truth to power."  While several above have criticised her for how she handled the King riots, she spoke against violent protest then. Her press release on the Wright killing says "as people peacefully protest against this century’s long injustice, I stand with you." I don't think the forced inclusion of the word peacefully is fake. It was intentional and deliberate. 

Almost all MN protestors couldn't care less about Waters. The only reason this is being discussed is because the right is monitoring her to find something to manufacture outrage over. I would encourage you to consider the possibility that maybe she wants the same positive outcome for America that you do and it's not worth the energy to be upset about. That maybe she isn't a violent revolutionary but just another bureaucrat, although a loud or even annoying one.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
I agree it is easy to inflate this into something controversial. If you view her as a dangerous person, it is easy to project something dangerous on this phrase. I don't think she meant what you/Fox are projecting on to her. In the same interviews she encouraged people to register to vote and said she would help "speak truth to power." I would take her off the cuff remark on "confrontation" as a continuation of "speak truth to power."  While several above have criticised her for how she handled the King riots, she spoke against violent protest then. Her press release on the Wright killing says "as people peacefully protest against this century’s long injustice, I stand with you." I don't think the forced inclusion of the word peacefully is fake. It was intentional and deliberate. 

Almost all MN protestors couldn't care less about Waters. The only reason this is being discussed is because the right is monitoring her to find something to manufacture outrage over. I would encourage you to consider the possibility that maybe she wants the same positive outcome for America that you do and it's not worth the energy to be upset about. That maybe she isn't a violent revolutionary but just another beaurocrat, although a loud or even annoying one.
I’m not inflating anything.  She went to another state and encouraged more confrontation.  That doesn’t need to be inflated.

If there isn’t a murder conviction, we’ll see dangerous/violent riots in MN.  And Waters saying “more confrontation” is stoking those flames.

 
I’m not inflating anything.  She went to another state and encouraged more confrontation.  That doesn’t need to be inflated.

If there isn’t a murder conviction, we’ll see dangerous/violent riots in MN.  And Waters saying “more confrontation” is stoking those flames.
I hope that doesn't happen, especially given Chauvin was willing to plea to M3. If it did, I have little doubt she would make Biden-esque statements supporting the protestors but urging against violence and destruction, similar to her Rodney King-era oped. I also would approximate the number of violent rioters who would say "I'm here because Maxine Waters sent me" to be approximately 0.

 
thriftyrocker said:
I don't view this as any different from John Lewis talking about "good trouble" and "redeeming the soul of America." There is a very large distinction between encouraging protest and encouraging the below. You're free to hate the loud black woman though.
What a crap post.  Seriously.  She threatened violence if Chauvin isn’t convicted of murder.  It’s irresponsible and wrong on so many levels, not to mention the fact it could be used by the defense in an appeal (jurors were terrified into voting anything but guilty).  Her comments have nothing to do with the “good trouble” John Lewis spoke of, and implying it is racist, sexist or both to criticize her is is just more crap upon crap.  Early nominee for worst post of the year.

 
What a crap post.  Seriously.  She threatened violence if Chauvin isn’t convicted of murder.  It’s irresponsible and wrong on so many levels, not to mention the fact it could be used by the defense in an appeal (jurors were terrified into voting anything but guilty).  Her comments have nothing to do with the “good trouble” John Lewis spoke of, and implying it is racist, sexist or both to criticize her is is just more crap upon crap.  Early nominee for worst post of the year.
Do you think right wing media focuses on woc because they are the most noteworthy liberals?

 
If we are to get anywhere close to repairing this country we need to call out crap like this, on both sides.  Last week Tucker Carlson issued a dog whistle using the word “replacement” when talking about immigration.  It was roundly criticized by many Conservatives in here, including me.  What Maxine Waters said here wasn’t a dog whistle, it was a clarion battle cry - from one of the leaders of the Democratic Party, who has made this mistake before.  Indefensible.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
If we are to get anywhere close to repairing this country we need to call out crap like this, on both sides.  Last week Tucker Carlson issued a dog whistle using the word “replacement” when talking about immigration.  It was roundly criticized by many Conservatives in here, including me.  What Maxine Waters said here wasn’t a dog whistle, it was a clarion battle cry.
If a worst case scenario presents itself, I hope she chooses her words more carefully, the way she does on her official statements. Both so it doesn't condone anything illegal nor provide reason for outrage against the outrage.

 
parasaurolophus said:
This was summed up perfectly above. 

But I am sure you got your virtue signaling points in with your post. Good job. 
What about your virtue signaling about virtue signaling? 

 
If we are to get anywhere close to repairing this country we need to call out crap like this, on both sides.  Last week Tucker Carlson issued a dog whistle using the word “replacement” when talking about immigration.  It was roundly criticized by many Conservatives in here, including me.  What Maxine Waters said here wasn’t a dog whistle, it was a clarion battle cry - from one of the leaders of the Democratic Party, who has made this mistake before.  Indefensible.
In fairness, only one poster is downplaying what she said. 

 
Let's see, so far over the last year race riots have caused about $2 Billion in damages, over a dozen deaths and countless thousands of injuries.  In what universe does anyone encourage people to turn up the heat and be even more confrontational?  Surely no one on this board would defend this...

 
I hope that doesn't happen, especially given Chauvin was willing to plea to M3. If it did, I have little doubt she would make Biden-esque statements supporting the protestors but urging against violence and destruction, similar to her Rodney King-era oped. I also would approximate the number of violent rioters who would say "I'm here because Maxine Waters sent me" to be approximately 0.
And? That is like saying someone who poured on gasoline on a fire that eventually burns down the block is not to blame because they didn't start the initial fire. 

 
Much like defending Donald Trump about his initial reaction to coronavirus would render the smartest man a loon, so is defending Maxine Waters's statements in front of the Minnesota protestors/rioters.

 
Much like defending Donald Trump about his initial reaction to coronavirus would render the smartest man a loon, so is defending Maxine Waters's statements in front of the Minnesota protestors/rioters.
I don't understand why anyone defends her. I don't understand why red teamers defend similar deplorable characters on their side. But I do understand that because of those 2 tribes we have our current political climate. So I blame all of them.

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top