Amused to Death
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Agreed. I wish Biden was able to run in 2016. Certainly would have voted for him over Hilary or Sanders in the Dem primary. I'm confident we'd be in his second term now.
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Are Dems starting to lose the Centrist Democrats? (1 Viewer)
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Godsbrother
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Any chance of me voting for McCain flew out the door when he selected his running mate.
Dickies
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dkp993
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McCain had my vote until he chose Palin. That turned me massively off him, I'm quite sure it did many others too.
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BladeRunner
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the moops
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bigbottom
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I don’t have the stats handy, but I’m not sure I buy your premise. While admittedly there are lots of single family homes in the black community, I also think that a fair number of families in that community reside in townhomes, condos and apartments.
KarmaPolice
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This was my initial reaction to the OP. I vote all over the map for local/state elections, but have been 3rd party for POTUS for awhile. This year was the first year in awhile I got off my 3rd party trend for POTUS. My take is the same - as it stands now, I agree with the bolded. I will add that IMO I think the extreme of the right has seeped more into the general tone and ideas of the conservative party, where that is not the case yet for the left, and I don't see that trend stopping soon either.
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djmich
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KP, what would you call out out as the extreme right ideas in the conservative party? thx
KarmaPolice
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Good question. Maybe less of a specific policy and more of the mix of very religious we've always seen from the right + the trend of anti-news/anti-science/Q conspiracies, etc.
So for me battles on the extreme are that boxing it out with the extreme PC/woke crowd, and some of the ideas that Gawain presented in his post.
We just saw a POTUS election where we see the first group's extreme was well represented and engaging, but the other candidate wasn't running on the 2nd group's extreme positions.
djmich
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Amused to Death
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Has he introduced any bills on healthcare, infrastructure...anything we can view? Biden invited Republicans to produce their counter to his infrastructure, let's see if Sen. Scott steps up.
The Z Machine
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He's going to run, but he won't win the primary. He's not been a terrible governor, even if I don't like some of his actions, policy positions, or disdain for the largest city in his state.
Amused to Death
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I may have gone overboard with "easily" but I like Hogan as a Republican. He seems very moderate. The biggest problem I have with him is that as president, he'd come with the rest of the GOP and he'd have to govern to please the GOP base (much like Biden is doing now).
But you're right he'll never win the primary because he hasn't kissed the Trump ring. I'm sure he's currently described as a RINO.
Sam Quentin
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The family unit is the smallest unit of “government” that makes up the fabric of our country. The system set up was was patriarchal (amongst other issues highlighted by the social changes since the 1969s), but a predictable source of stability.bigmarc27 said:
As with all systems, there was intense resistance to change and concern for new social maladies that would supplant the maladies we were trying to fix.
it’s not a made up term, but instead it’s gets at the fabric of how the country functions.
bigmarc27
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Sam Quentin
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supermike80
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Republican response released. Hmmm....I wonder what you'll think of it?Amused to Death said:
As an engineer working in the field, it falls way short of addressing the decades of a compounding infrastructure deficit. But at least it's something - they couldn't even do that for the last 4 years.
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supermike80
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Hmm. Democrats are even calling it a good starting point. NBC News is reporting it calls for double the spending on roads and bridges
thriftyrocker
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Manchin did yes. It would be nice if they actually worked together. But I would guess Dems say they'll pass more later, then Reps say nevermind then just do it without us.
It is a good starting point for sure because there was no starting point before.
It's still brutally low given our national infrastructure deficit. But at least they are playing the game. Happy to see that at least some of them are trying to participate on an interest of national importance.
Sam Quentin
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Trump wanted Infrastructure, but the Ds acted in bad faith and I am sure the GOP privately told him no, probably holding the Russia hoax and Ukraine hoax over his head. Impeachment was a check-mate against infrastructure....Bunch of #######s....at least we will probably get it now, even though corrupt politics delayed it...
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BladeRunner
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Yeah, we expected you guys to say this regardless of whatever plan was released by the GOP.
And it doesn't matter if it addressed everything on your wish list - you would have still poo-poo'd it because - sides.
bigmarc27
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BladeRunner
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Yeah - 4+ years of Russian Hookers, Pee Tapes, Russian Collusion and OMG!! HITLER!!! will do that.
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Indeed. He controlled the house and the senate.
The things people come up with to make excuses for that guy
The Commish
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meh....could have made it a priority and done it when the GOP held the house, senate and presidency but that removes this excuse. That said, the Dems will try this same maneuver if they fail at their bill...two sides....same coin.
dkp993
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Biden =Palin imo. Both are clueless folks who can't give impromptu responses without gaffes and need to rely on others.
dkp993
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Massively disagree. Massively. And again I didn’t vote for him, that’s how low my opinion of Palin is
tommyGunZ
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Really? Biden has been a member fo a Congress for 40 years and been VP. Palin quit her Governorship halfway through her term to do a failed reality Tv show.
The fact that you equate the two probably explains a lot about why America is so divided right now.
There is a difference between Biden 10-20 years ago and Biden now. If you don't see that you have blinders on.
Dickies
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sho nuff
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bigbottom
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Summer Wheat
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I pretty sure that is obvious to everyone. We go from Trump to Biden. One bozo to another. Bizarre times we are in for sure.
the moops
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Apple Jack
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No, but they are adding Republican centrists.
Marauders
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I'd wager that both parties are starting to lose their centrist elements. Everything is about polarization and the "us against them" mentality now to the point that it seems there's no meeting in the middle. The pendulum will eventually swing back, as it always does, but it's really irritating at the moment.
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I can only speak for myself but as a centrist democrat in the past ( who has voted for as many republicans for president as democrats) Im not happy with some of the policys proposed by the far left but until such time as the republicans stand for SOMETHING Im more entrenched on the left as I have ever been in the past. When the republican partys platform is " we are for anything donald trump wants us to be for" and at time seem to be we are against anything the democrats I cant see myself voing for a republican any time soon. It seriously saddened me to vote straight democraic party but untill such time that the republican moderates get control of their party back I highly doubt I will be voting republican.
BladeRunner
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Sorry, but I'm just not seeing this. I think this is simply an excuse, IMO.
Donald Trump is gone. He ain't coming back. He holds almost no power. But I get that the Democrats want you to THINK that so they can scare you into voting for them. They NEED to keep DJT front and center for people like you. If that's how you feel, that's fine. But DJT was a one time blip.
The left has far more extremists in Congress on their side then the Conservatives do. FFS, they LITERALLY elected Socialists/Marxists to their side. And that contingent gets bigger every year. But you're worried about Trump? Really? Have you looked back at the 20th century to see what Socialism/Marxism has done to countries? But Trump is the issue?
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the moops
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The far left and the far right always existed and they always proposed policies that aligned wiith their worldview. Joe Biden is as centrist as it comes though and he hasn't really taken up the throne on any of these far left policy proposals, has he?
BladeRunner
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Well except for the beautiful eulogy for Robert Byrd. Oh, and the 1994 crime law which went after black people. Oh, and disregarding the border crisis and letting everyone in. And trying to pack the Supreme Court.
But, yeah, as centrist as they come.
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the moops
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He is more centrist than Sanders, Warren, etc on the left and Cruz, Trump, etc on the right. So yea, centrist
dkp993
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The amount you are discounting DJT’s power and influence in today’s GOP is scary. It’s either wish-casting or partisan blinders. I hope it’s the former but I suspect the latter. Trump is still absolutely the party leader and key influencer.
