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1 hour ago, dkp993 said:

The amount you are discounting DJT’s power and influence in today’s GOP is scary. It’s either wish-casting or partisan blinders. I hope it’s the former but I suspect the latter.  Trump is still absolutely the party leader and key influencer.  

Disagree, but scare tactics is tried and true.

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As an honest answer from someone who trends right of center, I am more likely to vote for a democrat than a republican for two reasons. 1) I dislike the positions of the far left (pull police fundi

What could demonstrate a dedication to family values more than having three families?  That is like triple my family values. 

As a self identified centrist, Yes. Both parties have lost me. I’m politically homeless and disgusted by both.  

3 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Disagree, but scare tactics is tried and true.

So who is the voice or influence of the GOP right now? 

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5 hours ago, BladeRunner said:

Sorry, but I'm just not seeing this.  I think this is simply an excuse, IMO.

Donald Trump is gone.  He ain't coming back.  He holds almost no power.  But I get that the Democrats want you to THINK that so they can scare you into voting for them.  They NEED to keep DJT front and center for people like you.  If that's how you feel, that's fine.  But DJT was a one time blip.

The left has far more extremists in Congress on their side then the Conservatives do.  FFS, they LITERALLY elected Socialists/Marxists to their side.  And that contingent gets bigger every year.  But you're worried about Trump?  Really?  Have you looked back at the 20th century to see what Socialism/Marxism has done to countries?  But Trump is the issue?

1 of 3 things are true.  You either missed the 1 page "platform"  issued at the republican convention where they stated as much,  you are convenienly forgetting it,  or youre hoping I didnt read it.  That in fact was the gyst of the republican plaform.  Until he republicans decide he stand for SOMETHING other than obstructionism Im not sure there is much of a choice to be made.  Im not necessarily in favor of everything the democrats want to accomplish but at least the are FOR something.  

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27 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

So who then.  

The people of Florida clearly think it's Trump.  To date, we are STILL having Trump parades every single Friday in my town :lol:   Now, they are much smaller than they were in October, but they are still having them.

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9 minutes ago, da_budman said:

1 of 3 things are true.  You either missed the 1 page "platform"  issued at the republican convention where they stated as much,  you are convenienly forgetting it,  or youre hoping I didnt read it.  That in fact was the gyst of the republican plaform.  Until he republicans decide he stand for SOMETHING other than obstructionism Im not sure there is much of a choice to be made.  Im not necessarily in favor of everything the democrats want to accomplish but at least the are FOR something.  

They stated as much?  Really?

And, please tell, WHAT are the Democrats for again?  Because as of Today it's still "Not Donald Trump!".  And do you really want to get into obstructionism after their behavior the last 4 years?  Really?  Either you were living in a cave or you're being dishonest.  That's ALL they did was obstruct Trump.

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15 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

They stated as much?  Really?

And, please tell, WHAT are the Democrats for again?  Because as of Today it's still "Not Donald Trump!".  And do you really want to get into obstructionism after their behavior the last 4 years?  Really?  Either you were living in a cave or you're being dishonest.  That's ALL they did was obstruct Trump.

What legislation did Trump propose that the Dems obstructed?

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18 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

They stated as much?  Really?

And, please tell, WHAT are the Democrats for again?  Because as of Today it's still "Not Donald Trump!". 

Really?  Over the last three months the Biden administration has released three different giant multi-trillion dollar legislative packages with dozens of different policy objectives.  The Dems in the House have passed many more.  If you think Dems are just about “not Trump” you are not paying attention at all.

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29 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

They stated as much?  Really?

And, please tell, WHAT are the Democrats for again?  Because as of Today it's still "Not Donald Trump!".  And do you really want to get into obstructionism after their behavior the last 4 years?  Really?  Either you were living in a cave or you're being dishonest.  That's ALL they did was obstruct Trump.

Republicans held the Senate for Trump's entire term and the House for the first half. Were there any bills that originated in the Senate that the Dem controlled House obstructed in his last 2 years?

Meanwhile, McConnell blocked hundreds of Dem bills from the House, some with bi-partisan support. Who's obstructing?

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1 hour ago, BladeRunner said:

They stated as much?  Really?

And, please tell, WHAT are the Democrats for again?  Because as of Today it's still "Not Donald Trump!".  And do you really want to get into obstructionism after their behavior the last 4 years?  Really?  Either you were living in a cave or you're being dishonest.  That's ALL they did was obstruct Trump.

If you cant tell what the democrats are for then Id suggest you find some new news sources....Seriously. Also I If youre at all serious ( which I seriously doubt) Start with the platform from the democrats and the "platform"  from the republicans. You cant say wih a straight face there is any similarity.  As I said......  you have to actually give me a choice before I can even consider voing for a republican a this point.  

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24 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Really?  Over the last three months the Biden administration has released three different giant multi-trillion dollar legislative packages with dozens of different policy objectives.  The Dems in the House have passed many more.  If you think Dems are just about “not Trump” you are not paying attention at all.

when you only know one tune, you have no choice but to keep playing it.

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5 hours ago, BladeRunner said:

Sorry, but I'm just not seeing this.  I think this is simply an excuse, IMO.

Donald Trump is gone.  He ain't coming back.  He holds almost no power.  But I get that the Democrats want you to THINK that so they can scare you into voting for them.  They NEED to keep DJT front and center for people like you.  If that's how you feel, that's fine.  But DJT was a one time blip.

The left has far more extremists in Congress on their side then the Conservatives do.  FFS, they LITERALLY elected Socialists/Marxists to their side.  And that contingent gets bigger every year.  But you're worried about Trump?  Really?  Have you looked back at the 20th century to see what Socialism/Marxism has done to countries?  But Trump is the issue?

I dunno.... I still get donation request emails from Trump and the Republicans.  Here is one from DeSantis.

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It’s Ron DeSantis. I need 100 patriots to chip in $3 to combat the liberal media's fake news attacks, Friend.
  
Stop the smears now >>>
 RUSH $3 >>> 

Thank you,

Ron DeSantis

 

Out of curiosity I clicked on the link and am greeted by a huge picture of Trump and DeSantis embracing next to the text:

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CHIP IN $3 TO STOP THE DEM SMEAR CAMPAIGNS! 

DEMS HAVE MADE IT THEIR MISSION TO DESTROY REPUBLICANS' PROGRESS.

Help ensure GOP leaders like Governor DeSantis have the resources to stop the Left's radical agenda before it's too late.

It comes with pre-checked boxes to make a $3 recurring donation, and if you read the fine print that isn't super obvious, one of the boxes says they will draft $50 on 5/1..... which is odd because they state the deadline to stop the radical Dems' agenda is the end of April.

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The Trump White House was never about policy.  It was about the glorification of Donald Trump and throwing red meat to his base by way of executive order on polarizing issues.  Even the tax bill was really Paul Ryan's baby.  This isn't news though.  Policy is about substance, something Trump has never had.

Agree or disagree with it substantively, but the Biden White House is all about policy and looking forward.  

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2 hours ago, The Commish said:

The people of Florida clearly think it's Trump.  To date, we are STILL having Trump parades every single Friday in my town :lol:   Now, they are much smaller than they were in October, but they are still having them.

Wow Deadtona right?. I live about 40 miles west of you in Eustis. Thats in Lake County which is about as redneck as you can get unless you live in Polk or Duval. I have never seen one Trump parade much less one every week.

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2 hours ago, The Commish said:

The people of Florida clearly think it's Trump.  To date, we are STILL having Trump parades every single Friday in my town :lol:   Now, they are much smaller than they were in October, but they are still having them.

He's so clearly the influence and power broker of the party it's funny for anyone to attempt to say other wise. This week alone had McCarthy defending Trumps roll in 1/6 and Lindsey Graham promoting winning a chance to play golf with him and Trump for donations.  It's Trump's GOP same as it ever was.

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3 hours ago, BladeRunner said:
3 hours ago, dkp993 said:

So who is the voice or influence of the GOP right now? 

It ain't Trump.

They still kiss the ring.

Andrew Giuliani to meet with Trump before expected New York gubernatorial bid

"From a self-interest standpoint, I want the president to be as involved as he wants to be, but I would still advise him to keep his powder dry and not make a decision on who to support until we get to the fall or next winter."

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1 minute ago, Amused to Death said:

They still kiss the ring.

Andrew Giuliani to meet with Trump before expected New York gubernatorial bid

"From a self-interest standpoint, I want the president to be as involved as he wants to be, but I would still advise him to keep his powder dry and not make a decision on who to support until we get to the fall or next winter."

It's Trump's party until someone comes and rips it from his talons or takes his base.

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24 minutes ago, rustycolts said:

Wow Deadtona right?. I live about 40 miles west of you in Eustis. Thats in Lake County which is about as redneck as you can get unless you live in Polk or Duval. I have never seen one Trump parade much less one every week.

Volusia county....Debary

Come on over, its quite the site. They meet at the corner of saxon and enterprise every single friday. :lol:

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22 minutes ago, Amused to Death said:

They still kiss the ring.

Andrew Giuliani to meet with Trump before expected New York gubernatorial bid

"From a self-interest standpoint, I want the president to be as involved as he wants to be, but I would still advise him to keep his powder dry and not make a decision on who to support until we get to the fall or next winter."

Andrew Giuliani?  :lmao:

Everyone remember when he was paid 100K a year by Trump's whitehouse to act as liaison to the sports community? His job was to coordinate visits from sports teams to the White House.

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1 hour ago, the moops said:

Andrew Giuliani?  :lmao:

Everyone remember when he was paid 100K a year by Trump's whitehouse to act as liaison to the sports community? His job was to coordinate visits from sports teams to the White House.

Was he responsible for the McDonalds buffet?

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16 hours ago, Dickies said:
16 hours ago, BladeRunner said:

They stated as much?  Really?

And, please tell, WHAT are the Democrats for again?  Because as of Today it's still "Not Donald Trump!".  And do you really want to get into obstructionism after their behavior the last 4 years?  Really?  Either you were living in a cave or you're being dishonest.  That's ALL they did was obstruct Trump.

What legislation did Trump propose that the Dems obstructed?

I'd like an answer to this more than anything, but it likely won't happen or the answer will be "the wall" which is funding, not legislation.

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49 minutes ago, The Commish said:

I'd like an answer to this more than anything, but it likely won't happen or the answer will be "the wall" which is funding, not legislation.

Republicans wouldn't fund it either.

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