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The Effect of Black Lives Matters Protests (1 Viewer)

A co-founder of Black Lives Matter announced Thursday that she is stepping down as executive director of the movement’s foundation. She decried what she called a smear campaign from a far-right group, but said neither that nor recent criticism from other Black organizers influenced her departure.

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She isnt giving back that socialist $$$ loot or houses.   I doubt she quit cuz right wingers.    She got kicked.

 
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quick-hands said:
A co-founder of Black Lives Matter announced Thursday that she is stepping down as executive director of the movement’s foundation. She decried what she called a smear campaign from a far-right group, but said neither that nor recent criticism from other Black organizers influenced her departure.

UsaToday

She isnt giving that socialist $$$ loot or houses.   I doubt she quit cuz right wingers.    She got kicked.
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You can't show ravenous capitalist tendencies until after you're immune from being deposed.  

 
quick-hands said:
A co-founder of Black Lives Matter announced Thursday that she is stepping down as executive director of the movement’s foundation. She decried what she called a smear campaign from a far-right group, but said neither that nor recent criticism from other Black organizers influenced her departure.

UsaToday

She isnt giving back that socialist $$$ loot or houses.   I doubt she quit cuz right wingers.    She got kicked.
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What "socialist $$$ loot or houses" are you talking about?  And why should she give back any of her personal property or income? 

 
squistion said:
What "socialist $$$ loot or houses" are you talking about?  And why should she give back any of her personal property or income? 
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The three houses?  Try googling it.   She was challenged on it and she said as a good socialist helps her family.   Not other people.

As far as her giving houses and money back.   Im not the reason she left BLM.   somebody isnt happy with her compensation from a "charity".

 
BLM/Antifa is a joke and is nothing but a front for Marxism/Communism proponents.

Make no mistake.  Of course, it was also a money-making scheme for the founders too.  

 
quick-hands said:
The three houses?  Try googling it.   She was challenged on it and she said as a good socialist helps her family.   Not other people.

As far as her giving houses and money back.   Im not the reason she left BLM.   somebody isnt happy with her compensation from a "charity".
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And how did she acquire her property? Was it based on her work with BLM or was it from other sources? Please provide links if you have any. 

 
BladeRunner said:
BLM/Antifa is a joke and is nothing but a front for Marxism/Communism proponents.

Make no mistake.  Of course, it was also a money-making scheme for the founders too.  
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BLM and Antifa are two separate and unrelated organizations, and of course, there is no formal organization for Antifa, which of course, you must know. 

 
 
Quite possibly the worst idea in the history of Liberal politics - defunding the police.  Portland homicides up 800%.  Crime up dramatically in Democratic run cities - New York City, Chicago, St. Louis and Baltimore.  I suppose the folks responsible for this dystopia will blame it on climate change or Trump’s handling of the pandemic.  What a disaster, and totally predictable.

 
BLM and Antifa are inextricably linked in certain cities, each one siphoning off the other at times.

To insist otherwise is to contravene all reported evidence to the contrary. I'm not going to let that happen or let squistion do that. Not in here.

And it's been widely reported that one of the BLM founders has a 1.4 million dollar house around where I'm located. (About an hour away).

Don't provide links next time @quick-hands. It's a bad faith effort on that poster's part. He just keeps declaring things true that have been proven demonstrably false by other outlets than the DNC feed that must dominate his Twitter feed.

 
rockaction said:
BLM and Antifa are inextricably linked in certain cities, each one siphoning off the other at times.

To insist otherwise is to contravene all reported evidence to the contrary. I'm not going to let that happen or let squistion do that. Not in here.

And it's been widely reported that one of the BLM founders has a 1.4 million dollar house around where I'm located. (About an hour away).

Don't provide links next time @quick-hands. It's a bad faith effort on that poster's part. He just keeps declaring things true that have been proven demonstrably false by other outlets than the DNC feed that must dominate his Twitter feed.
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Yes, because only people like you keep erroneously linking them. There is no basis in fact to talk about the two organizations being officially linked or working in tandem, particularly since Antifa does not actually exist as any sort of formal organization. 

 
squistion said:
Yes, because only people like you keep erroneously linking them. There is no basis in fact to talk about the two organizations being officially linked or working in tandem, particularly since Antifa does not actually exist as any sort of formal organization. 
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No, there is a basis in fact. Clearly there is, because I've linked to it numerous times on this very site. It's called a longform article. I've linked many times to it. You just haven't read it because you're a DNC/leftist hack who wants to spam this site. I've given you numerous citations to the article tracing Minneapolis and Portland's BLM, which is a microcosm of how other cities have acted during the protests.

Your insistence on continually responding to citations and facts by established journalists is a red herring and a deliberate lie aimed at readers of the site, and I won't have it. 

 
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/02/trump-antifa-movement-portland

"After the crowd dispersed, I found the man in the bicycle helmet at a nearby 7-Eleven. His name was Rico De Vera, and he was a twenty-seven-year-old Filipino-American who studied engineering at Portland Community College. Earlier that day, a Trump supporter had shot him in the face with a paintball gun; the flesh around his left eye was stained neon pink. De Vera had been regularly participating in Black Lives Matter protests since May. Although he remained enthusiastic about the movement, he worried that in Portland it had been subsumed by the city’s militant antifascist culture, which he saw as violent and white. “It pisses me off,” he said. “People are going to use tonight to say that Black Lives Matter is a bunch of thugs.”

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This post is from February. You've read it, responded to it, so you can't feign ignorance. It's all right in the article.

subsume - to include or absorb something else

The whole article is replete with examples of this, IIRC. One of the central themes was the two disparate groups and how they kept winding up with each other and in each other's realm.

 
rockaction said:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/02/trump-antifa-movement-portland

"After the crowd dispersed, I found the man in the bicycle helmet at a nearby 7-Eleven. His name was Rico De Vera, and he was a twenty-seven-year-old Filipino-American who studied engineering at Portland Community College. Earlier that day, a Trump supporter had shot him in the face with a paintball gun; the flesh around his left eye was stained neon pink. De Vera had been regularly participating in Black Lives Matter protests since May. Although he remained enthusiastic about the movement, he worried that in Portland it had been subsumed by the city’s militant antifascist culture, which he saw as violent and white. “It pisses me off,” he said. “People are going to use tonight to say that Black Lives Matter is a bunch of thugs.”

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This post is from February. You've read it, responded to it, so you can't feign ignorance. It's all right in the article.

subsume - to include or absorb something else

The whole article is replete with examples of this, IIRC. One of the central themes was the two disparate groups and how they kept winding up with each other and in each other's realm.
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I am soooo impressed, just as much as I was the first time you posted this (which is to say not at all)

You found exactly one guy to quote, who makes a connection between the two groups. Bravo! And his only concern seems to be guilt by association. He is BLM and has no affiliation with Antifa, which is not surprising, because that group, as an actual organization, does not really exist. 

There is still no proof that the two groups are associated and/or work in tandem, outside of claims of those on the right. 

 
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rockaction said:
No, there is a basis in fact. Clearly there is, because I've linked to it numerous times on this very site. It's called a longform article. I've linked many times to it. You just haven't read it because you're a DNC/leftist hack who wants to spam this site. I've given you numerous citations to the article tracing Minneapolis and Portland's BLM, which is a microcosm of how other cities have acted during the protests.

Your insistence on continually responding to citations and facts by established journalists is a red herring and a deliberate lie aimed at readers of the site, and I won't have it. 
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Rick’s got his good fastball going tonight. 😆

 
squistion said:
Wait, you made an unproven allegation, based apparently on nothing you have read, heard or seen. And I have to prove you wrong?  :confused:
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And the logical conclusion you come to is that she didn't get the money from the cash gusher job that she's an executive in?

That's a head scratcher, Squis.  It's like wondering if the money for Bezos' next yacht came from Amazon stock or not.

 
squistion said:
I am soooo impressed, just as much as I was the first time you posted this (which is to say not at all)

You found exactly one guy to quote, who makes a connection between the two groups. Bravo! And his only concern seems to be guilt by association. He is BLM and has no affiliation with Antifa, which is not surprising, because that group, as an actual organization, does not really exist. 

There is still no proof that the two groups are associated and/or work in tandem, outside of claims of those on the right. 
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No. The whole article is about the nature of the movements, up to and including several instances of cooperation, planning, and disagreements among members of Antifa and BLM.

It starts in 1987 in Minneapolis and traces one man's movement into and out of anti-racism and anti-fascism groups there, an obvious corollary to the types of coalition-building we see within the groups in Portland. Your stubborn insistence on this insistence that the groups do not overlap without reading the article to get a sense of the movements to and fro and the inherent tensions in them (inherent tensions that prove that the groups coexist and protest at the same functions at the same time, up to and including planning with one another) just proves your unwillingness.

Let the link, citation, and article be for the careful reader who can draw inferences from the structure of the article, and we'll allow it to be for the public record.

 
squistion said:
I am soooo impressed, just as much as I was the first time you posted this (which is to say not at all)

You found exactly one guy to quote, who makes a connection between the two groups. Bravo! And his only concern seems to be guilt by association. He is BLM and has no affiliation with Antifa, which is not surprising, because that group, as an actual organization, does not really exist. 

There is still no proof that the two groups are associated and/or work in tandem, outside of claims of those on the right. 
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Don't.

If you decide to come back. Be better. 

 
squistion said:
I am soooo impressed, just as much as I was the first time you posted this (which is to say not at all)

You found exactly one guy to quote, who makes a connection between the two groups. Bravo! And his only concern seems to be guilt by association. He is BLM and has no affiliation with Antifa, which is not surprising, because that group, as an actual organization, does not really exist. 

There is still no proof that the two groups are associated and/or work in tandem, outside of claims of those on the right. 
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No one cares if you're impressed.  Your playbook is awful.  As for a source.  Get one and don't like it then attack the source.  Argue like a 10 year old and provide nothing to back up your own opinion just keep attacking those you disagree with.  The only thing missing here is a ridiculous copy and paste from twitter that no one cares about. Rinse and repeat.  

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
No one cares if you're impressed.  Your playbook is awful.  As for a source.  Get one and don't like it then attack the source.  Argue like a 10 year old and provide nothing to back up your own opinion just keep attacking those you disagree with.  The only thing missing here is a ridiculous copy and paste from twitter that no one cares about. Rinse and repeat.  
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You should tell Faust, as he spends hours each week posting tweets in the Shark Pool, that no one apparently cares about. 

 
It's absurd. You say I've only got one guy to quote. No, I don't. I have a whole article that stands by what it said and was sympathetic to Antifa and BLM. It's in The New Yorker (emphasis, not style guide form) for God's sake. The media is generally so bent on separating the two it rarely shows, or has cause to show, the conflation of the groups. This article, which focuses on a lot of the tension between the participants in the riots and the violent side of the riots, shows how many times they wind up intertwined over a specific period in Portland and Minneapolis. It traces the roots of the organizations and finds them inseparable, really. I don't know what more anybody could want.

 
rockaction said:
It's absurd. You say I've only got one guy to quote. No, I don't. I have a whole article that stands by what it said and was sympathetic to Antifa and BLM. It's in The New Yorker (emphasis, not style guide form) for God's sake. The media is generally so bent on separating the two it rarely shows, or has cause to show, the conflation of the groups. This article, which focuses on a lot of the tension between the participants in the riots and the violent side of the riots, shows how many times they wind up intertwined over a specific period in Portland and Minneapolis. It traces the roots of the organizations and finds them inseparable, really. I don't know what more anybody could want.
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Proof of a link between the two organizations that has never been shown and can not be shown as Antifa does not exist as any sort of formal structured organization. 

 
squistion said:
Proof of a link between the two organizations that has never been shown and can not be shown as Antifa does not exist as any sort of formal structured organization. 
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This is proof. Just because nobody has summed it up somewhere saying "this is proof" does not mean this isn't total evidence to the contrary of your claim. Post away. The link is there and this just detracts anyone interested in it from reading it.

 
rockaction said:
This is proof. Just because nobody has summed it up somewhere saying "this is proof" does not mean this isn't total evidence to the contrary of your claim. Post away. The link is there and this just detracts anyone interested in it from reading it.
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Just because someone shows up at a BLM protest claiming to be a member of Antifa, that claim doesn't make them such, as they can't show a membership card nor is there a list anywhere of Antifa members (and there can't be for an organization that doesn't exist). 

Two groups, like BLM and Antifa can not be intertwined, if one group does not actually exist. 

 
squistion said:
Thank you for proving my point. You should have quoted RW instead of me as he was the one claiming that no one cares about copy and paste things posted in the forums from twitter. I simply told him if that were the case, then he should let Faust know. 
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RW was claiming that noone cares what random people post on Twitter about their political enemies lol (he’s right btw) , that has nothing to do with tweets about fantasy football 

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
RW was claiming that noone cares what random people post on Twitter about their political enemies lol (he’s right btw) , that has nothing to do with tweets about fantasy football 
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He didn't say anything about what random people post on Twitter about their political enemies, and he didn't exclude tweets about FF.

The only thing missing here is a ridiculous copy and paste from twitter that no one cares about. 
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BladeRunner said:
So all those cities/neighborhoods that burned to the ground on live TV were made by ghosts?

The Big Lie:  Antifa doesn't exist!!!!
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-antifa/

What is antifa? Is it a group or an idea, and what do supporters want?

[...]

Antifa is not a highly organized movement, nor is it merely an idea. Antifa is a loose affiliation of local activists scattered across the United States and a few other countries. 

[...]

 
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