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Because everybody knows that the MSM wouldn’t report it the same way if the roles were reversed, they would act like the world was ending again just like they did on election night 2016. And I’m no fan of Trump.
Yeah, the low information voter is a problem. And people have fled the MSM for social media and Fox and OAN. That's a difficult thing, and it directly affects us as citizens, especially with something like COVID, which requires a public and communitarian response rather than an atomized one where everybody does their own thing.
Let’s agree that the mainstream media could be much better than it is. We will disagree on the extent of this, and how deliberate it is, but we can agree that there is a problem here.
Are you really suggesting that, prior to the news media manufacturing the issue of racial inequality, we were all “happy and living in harmony”? That there were no racial issues until the media made them all up? Do you honestly believe this?
I believe there was significantly more racial harmony 10-20 years ago. I believe the animosity between the races has not been this high in over 50 years. And I believe it is due to the gross distortion of reality the media presents.
How do you fix it? Report the facts. Don't insult our intelligence with things like "mostly peaceful" protests when you see chaos behind the reporter. Don't show potential riot scenes after the Chauvin verdict, then blame the right because they were disappointed there weren't any. Don't totally misreport the Columbus case. People with an IQ above room temp tune it out fast.
Because the media has been caught lying. Several times over and over and over. What part of this can you not comprehend?
I know they self-correct the little things sometimes on their own, but the big things they likely only correct because they get caught and/or called out, and make the correction to try and save face. Take that story with ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski earlier this month, who flat-out lied about Jacob Blake in his article, and then later changed it after getting called out. Do I think ESPN would have changed it had they not been caught? No, I do not. Do I think Wojnarowski simply had his facts wrong and made an innocent mistake in the article? No, I do not. Not based off what I know about him. And I think many little things like that add up for many and causes the distrust. We can debate this one little example all day, but the larger picture is obviously the point here. Distrust is rarely caused in life by one big thing, and in the case of the MSM, it's the many little things that add up and make it difficult to trust them. Of course, there are some in the industry who are honest and try to do their best and do the right thing, but it's the ones who do not who give the media as a whole the bad name that they have earned.
Perhaps...but to his point, they are fleeing the MSM because of getting the slant...but flocking to places that slant things even further...that get things wrong just as much, if not more. Because reporting the facts is not what matters...confirmation bias is what people seem to be seeking out.
I believe that race relations are more challenged now than in quite some time. You and I have different hypotheses on why that is.
Like people have said - if we want facts, then the push should be toward Reuters, BBC, etc.. not sites that are rated even lower than Fox/CNN as far as reliable reporting and facts go. I am not saying you specifically, I am just saying we can't have people say "just report facts" and like that post, and then go to OAN or the other miriad of sites we see linked around here that are worse than Fox. That's the problem.
If you look at the polling, between 2002 and 2013 about 70% of both blacks and whites had a positive view of race relations. That took a 30% plummet after 2013 where we remain today. The tip of the iceberg were the Treyvon Martin and Michael Brown shootings. These events were, putting this lightly, falsified by the media and generated much of the fuel that still exists today. There has not been a spike in police shootings, if anything it is on the decline. The reporting and commentary is over the top though, we laser beam focus on the issue. That is why I point to the media. Nothing has really changed but the coverage.
Other problems like NBC who leaves the key part out of the Columbus shooting. No excuse for a major network to do that.
Yes, you're right. And I probably had a hand in starting them.
There is some truth to his point, but the bigger truth is people don’t want to be steered on their news. We can go to opinion shows for that.
How do we differ on whether or not they ####ed up the reporting or had a deliberate bias? You agree with us about Columbus, how did they not mischaracterize the Georgia law given what we know about it? It was supposed to be Jim Crow. Do I think the Republicans were up to malfeasance or shenanigans? Yes, I do. Was it portrayed in the media either accurately or fully? No, it clearly was not at first.
No, this isn’t correct. I don’t need to know why conservatives are rejecting mainstream media. I think I already know why. There are several reasons and we disagree on some of them and which ones are more important.
I kind of get it. There is not one narrative the MSM spews that Tim is not aligned with. Radical actions on global warming. Blaming everything on the white man who should be assumed guilty in all cases until otherwise proven. Donald Trump is the devil. The Right-Wing media is total lies. The Media and Big Tech should control the narrative because us peasants are too dumb to know better. Our borders should be wide-open. Tax the rich. More social spending is needed. I really can't think of a single issue that Tim would be at odds with the story the MSM tells us.
Tim, you don't have the slightest clue why. You have your projections based on your prejudices. But they are so far off it is not funny.
In this context I’m focusing on Hannity because he tells his viewers to reject the mainstream media and offers an alternative (which I regard as false and dangerous.) Maddow, whatever her faults, is not engaged in this practice, which is specific to right wing talk show hosts.
Maybe people around here who are engaged in the news and current events. The general public though?
You’re spending a lot of time analyzing me rather than the issue. Much of what you wrote above is partially or entirely inaccurate, but I’m not going to go through it line by line. Can we return to the subject matter?
Again this is incorrect. I don’t think it’s okay to deliberately slant or misrepresent the news. I’m not convinced that what you’re discussing here are actions of a deliberate nature. If they are I condemn them. But if they are I’m not convinced they’re part of a pattern of deliberate behavior.
Well first off, as you know, I believe that the media mostly DOES report the facts, and the examples you bring up, while certainly valid, are few and far between. But putting aside that debate, I agree with @KarmaPolice and others that it’s unlikely that a person who has forsaken the mainstream media in favor of Hannity is going to return to the MSM because of greater perceived accuracy. Obviously there are other factors at play here.
Analyzing the motivations of groups of people (not individuals here) is an essential element of political discussion, which I assume we’re all here for.
The difference in news is amazing when you don`t watch people like Hannity, Maddow, Lemon. Was in northern MI last month a a friends place and they did not have cable hooked up yet. Picked up some local stations and it was so refreshing to hear news and stories without all the hate and anger inflection you get from cable news stations.
I’ve watched some news on channels 9/10 on the fire stick. It’s almost like going back 40 years.
I would like to think we are a microcosm of the general public. Maybe we are a messed up society.
The same reason there were millions and millions of Democrats who believed that Trump stole the 2016 election by colluding with the Russians. When you lose, people like to look for excuses. The refs! The weather! Fraudulent ballots! Russian Collusion!
If you don't want the MSM to be rejected, then fix the MSM stop #####ing about other forms of media. If the MSM didn't lie, mislead, and basically make up stuff they wouldn't be getting rejected. This isn't very difficult. Except for those that want to push their propaganda as truth like the OP.
Or the Russian bounty on US soldiers story that was proven to be 100% false.
I think people claim they don’t want to be steered...but their actions seem to show they don’t mind of it steers them the way they like.
January 6th was over in 3 hours. The BLM/Antifa riots have been going on for almost a year.
Wait.....you don’t need to know why? How do you “fix things” if you don’t understand the root causes? I don’t get it.
What I meant is that I don’t need to know the reasons that rockaction would offer. I already know those and we disagree. But I’m open to other explanations beyond my own, which are admittedly superficial.
Nobody thinks they are the same thing. However, many recognize both entities of harbingers of destruction that appear at many of the same disturbances.
People seem to conflate the two in these forums with a surprising degree of frequency. I understand why the actions of each group are concerning for many, but IMO it is a bit of a miss to lump them together.
They are lumped together. It’s kind of like the Sith and the Empire from Star Wars. Different origins and stated missions, but to the good guys they are both bad news.
