Sea Duck
Footballguy
I think you're giving too much credit to Trump and not enough "credit" to the people who support him.
(And before you MAGA guys reach for the Like button, that's not a compliment!)
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Liz Cheney “History is watching us.” (1 Viewer)
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(And before you MAGA guys reach for the Like button, that's not a compliment!)
bigbottom
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The amazing thing is that it’s not just shameful, it’s stupid as well. With Trump underperforming most Republicans down ballot in 2020, continuing to support Trump over other party leadership that is calling out the toxic things that are driving Republican voters away, is literally hitching the cart to a known loser.
For all the previous talk of winning, Republicans are seeming to do everything they can to associate themselves with a loser.
The Commish
Footballguy
Feel the exact same way.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
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bigbottom
Footballguy
They’re not worried about the total electorate. They’re worried about getting primaried.
The Commish
Footballguy
By most accounts it's 30ish...the party has shrunk a good bit, though that doesn't mean those who don't label themselves Trump Supporters/Current Day GOPers won't vote for him. Just by this place, we know that isn't true.
Yes - but I am not sure that is as big a deal as it seems. There were only a handful of people in the chamber when she spoke - which I assume is fairly normal for the time (even if this was not a normal speech).
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Wait, there are people saying with a straight face that the cult of Trump is not responsible for this? It's tough to distinguish between disingenuous and <non-timeout word> sometimes these days.
identikit
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Blind loyalty to one person is inherently un-American, anti-democratic, and is a weakness both in personality and in politics.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
GOP left being beholden to a blogger who got smoked by Joe Biden and folks doing recounts looking for bamboo laced ballots. Well done.
Witz
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
There was definately shenanigans with all the mail in balots and the swing stayes conveniently shutting down counting on election night only to have huge Biden votes come suddenly in the wee hours of the morning. Not sure I would use the word stolen but if the election was under normal circumstances I think Trump wins. I would bet my life savings that Biden did not receive 81 million legitimate votes.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
The General
Footballguy
shadrap
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
In this case then I understand why you want Cheney out.
I fully disagree with your assessment of the election as this has been by far the most scrutinized election in history and there has not been a single valid report of widespread fraud despite numerous recounts, reviews by election boards, court challenges and Trump's own DOJ, Cyber Security teams.
It just seems that some people want to believe what they want to believe. I'm not going to change your mind so we'll just agree to disagree.
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The Commish
Footballguy
McCarthy has flat out said it's because they need to be unified in message and she's not unifying them. She continues to speak out against Jan 6. Is it time to add him to the RINO list since they believe it's not about any of that? This is what happens when poorly constructed talking points collide. Everyone ends up being "wrong" while they look for a corner to back into and defend themselves.
shadrap
Footballguy
voted to impeach because she thought it was in HER best interest to further her career. folks on here seem pretty concerned about her.
timschochet
Footballguy
You’re more honest about this than the House Republicans who are claiming that this had nothing whatsoever to do with her impeachment vote...
timschochet
Footballguy
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/12/house-gop-votes-to-oust-trump-critic-liz-cheney.html
In a statement following the House vote, Trump applauded the result with a string of personal insults for the Wyoming lawmaker.
Hope Republicans are proud...
In a statement following the House vote, Trump applauded the result with a string of personal insults for the Wyoming lawmaker.
Hope Republicans are proud...
The General
Footballguy
I’d think this ends her career in Wyoming politics maybe she becomes a TV person or moves to another state or something. We’ll see. Her voting record was very conservative, she just acknowledges the disaster that is DJT and the election lies.
Personally I’m more surprised the GOP falling back in line with Don. Huge anchor for them.
Regardless this is a very big story for political nerds. Lots of layers to this story.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I started the new lows everyday bit in 2016 and it continues to remain true. I don't know why, but it still surprises me.A new bottom. Keep up the good work QOP
What a cult honestly. it's nothing more than a cult at this point.
It's embarrassing to be an american.
There is no turning back from this. They are just going to go farther and farther down the rabbit hole and they are going to take 35% of the population on the crazy train with them.
It's embarrassing to be an american.
There is no turning back from this. They are just going to go farther and farther down the rabbit hole and they are going to take 35% of the population on the crazy train with them.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Why did the House Republicans vote to keep her immediately following the impeachment? What changed?
timschochet
Footballguy
One point in which I disagree with many of the pundits: they seem to think this will hurt Republican chances to retake the House in 2022. I hope they’re right, but redistricting (gerrymandering?) suggests otherwise.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
She didn't fall in line with the "election was stolen" narrative that the former president is still pushing. In today's GOP you either go along with it or you don't belong.
Apparently Republicans are on-board with it because they are in agreement with Cheney losing her leadership position and still support the ex-president. This is what they want the party to be.
timschochet
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I’m watching all this happen, and I still cannot believe that I know people who have made this same choice and chosen to stick with the party.
Dr_Zaius
Footballguy
I think the same can be said for the whole Cheney episode. As others have pointed out, other prominent Republicans have broken with Trump and not been "purged" from the party. The bottom line is that if you are in the party leadership and you spend weeks to months talking about how much the party sucks, you're risking your leadership role. Now, if that's the way she's feels, good on her for following her conscience, but if, e.g., someone high up at Google proclaimed the company a scourge that should be broken up, no one would be surprised if he was fired.
timschochet
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Dr_Zaius
Footballguy
You're right, I was being a bit glib, but as far as I can tell the opposition is less to her positions per se and more to her relentless focus on Trump and Jan. 6.
Remove Trump from the equation, and do a hypothetical of Murkowski, who was against Kavanaugh. She made clear she was against him, but did not spend the next few months going on talk shows speaking about how shameful it was that the Reps approved him. Once you start doing that, rightly or wrongly, you are playing with fire.
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