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As noted previously, the red team is fiscally irresponsible and the blue team is fiscally insane.
Thanks for the expanded clarification. We all clearly understand your position now.
I used to vote Republican because Dems always seemed like children in the supermarket.
I didn’t think I needed to expand because I have so many times before. Not spending this money now will cost us tons more in the long run.
Democrats have run up the debt dealing with the Great Depression, fighting WWII, dealing with the Great Recession, and now dealing with devastation caused by 40 years of Reagonomics and Covid. Democrats are responsible for debt that has been investing in saving this nation.
Actually, it wasn’t even true for Ike or Nixon. You need to go back to Coolidge.
Since WWII every president grew the debt at a slower rate than the economy grew until Reagan. Maybe we want to explain away Nixon or Carter with inflation being responsible for skewing the economic growth rates, but for purposes of discussing the debt I'm willing to include Ike, Tricky ****, and Ford on the "responsible" side of the ledger.
They are both fiscally irresponsible as far as spending goes.
Pretty much this. The question we now need to ask ourselves is "who do we want the government to spend the money on?" because they ARE going to spend it. One group generally spends on rich people and businesses. The other spends on everyone else. I will point out distinction that I do think is valid. The Dems generally have a mechanism to pay for it. They at least still throw a bone out there. One of the most laughable things that came from the last administration was this notion of 4-5-6% GDP growth to pay for it. Might as well tell everyone we have a tree where we grow inflation proof dollar bills and we're going to use that to pay for it.
timschochet said:
What continually surprises me dude is your complete and total lack of intelligence when it comes to American politics. Youd think a guy who claims to read as much as you do wouldnt be this naive.
I will overlook the insults and simply answer your question:
Can you all unpack this? The dems passed quite a few bills in the house…Mitch refused to bring them to the floor of the senate.It's like he totally forgot about the Dems during the prior 4 years.
Come on, it's just another day in the psf of skipping over any legit post or point in order to point at the other team.
I think Trump is bad for The Republican party and the United States in general.timschochet said:
That's from 6/24. He clarified his position the next day.
I understand he attempted to clarify his position. But there's not a lot of room for interpretation of "I won't sign A unless you also give me B." I still believe without a reconcilation plan, Biden will refuse to sign the Bipartisan plan.
I'm going with the fact that he said he will sign the bill without a reconciliation plan. If he doesn't, I'll be right here with you criticizing him.
Republicans best chance to retake the House and Senate in 2022 is to have Biden and Democrats accomplish little to nothing. Then comeback with “they controlled the Congress and the Presidency and got nothing done”. It doesn’t matter whether it is good legislation or not.timschochet said:
Even if Republicans believe this to be true I don’t understand why it would change their opinion about whether to support the bipartisan bill.
The stimulus bill under Obama wasn't really bipartisan. Only 3 GOP Senators voted for it and none in the house.timschochet said:
If they truly thought Biden would veto it, why wouldn't they they cooperate and make Joe look like the bad guy? Right now it's the Republicans obstructing.
Agreed. People are misinformed about what bipartisan really means. A lot of times the other side simply gets one person from the other side and they call that bipartisan.Desert_Power said:
I'm particularly glad there is money for the electrical grid and EV charging stations. If the Dems pass nothing else, I'll be happy.
Shes come out and said she would be. Bad political move but the democrats struggle with the smart move at times.
As I implied pages ago, I'm kind of at the point where until something is signed, I consider everything from everyone to be just posturing. YMMV
The 66B for rail and the 40B for internet are wasted, but if we're going to spend money the rest looks ok.
She's the gift that keeps on giving.
