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This is inspired by Tim’s recent thread. I’m curious how the numbers will play out.
Nothing will fundamentally change.I'll take the normalcy and credibility on the world stage all day. Where I struggle is that, given his time in the US gubmint, he should be far more masterful at navigating our system to get what he wants. If he wants to be remembered as FDR 2.0, he needs to get some #### done at a much fast pace.
Voted neither.
To be fair, he's not as bad as I thought he'd be. Still a Bluepublican.I share your pessimism.
Basically this. I voted neither tho.I'm basically pro-Biden. I don't share many of his policy goals, but the most important thing that Biden can do is help reestablish normalcy in the US, and I think Biden is almost uniquely qualified to achieve that.
I don't share many of his policy goals, but the most important thing that Biden can do is help reestablish normalcy in the US, and I think Biden is almost uniquely qualified to achieve that.
Neither. I am pro-USA.
The only president I was ever pro or anti was Trump after he was in office for a year or so.
These basically perfectly summarize how I feel minus GB's after "a year or so" in office part. I was Anti Trump long before he was ever a serious candidate for office.I'm pro center.
I'm anti the left spending 4 years trying to delegitimize Trump's election. I'm anti the right apparently planning to spend 4 years delegitimizing Bidens election.
This was mainly moderates on CNN/MSNBC/TYT. The lefties by and large DGAF and were actually against it.I'm pro center.
I'm anti the left spending 4 years trying to delegitimize Trump's election. I'm anti the right apparently planning to spend 4 years delegitimizing Bidens election.
I don’t think many thought the election was illegitimate. I think he was just being held accountable for his incompetence and corruption.I'm pro center.
I'm anti the left spending 4 years trying to delegitimize Trump's election. I'm anti the right apparently planning to spend 4 years delegitimizing Bidens election.
I inferred that it meant anti what Biden stands for. I don't think anyone wants him to fail spectacularly in a manner that destroys the country.I don't wanna be anti any President. And I spoke out constantly about those who hated Trump. I had relatives who would have been fine if something happened to him in office. That never made sense to me. Biden is my President and I will accept that. I may not like it, but that's just tough noogies.
I'm not a Biden fan but we cannot afford for him to fail.I inferred that it meant anti what Biden stands for. I don't think anyone wants him to fail spectacularly in a manner that destroys the country.
Depends on how failure is defined.I'm not a Biden fan but we cannot afford for him to fail.
I was surprised as hell when Trump was the Republican nominee but going against Hillary I knew he had a good shot to become president. When he did I sincerely hoped that I was wrong about Trump and bought into the idea that maybe we needed someone outside of Washington, he would surround himself with the best people, take their advice and maybe bring about some compromise.These basically perfectly summarize how I feel minus GB's after "a year or so" in office part. I was Anti Trump long before he was ever a serious candidate for office.
While I understand that viewpoint, especially the outsider angle, I also knew his ego and narcissism would reign supreme. So I had no faith. His carnival barker act was so paper-thin it was see-thru.I was surprised as hell when Trump was the Republican nominee but going against Hillary I knew he had a good shot to become president. When he did I sincerely hoped that I was wrong about Trump and bought into the idea that maybe we needed someone outside of Washington, he would surround himself with the best people, take their advice and maybe bring about some compromise.
Within a year all of those hopes were dashed...
It’s almost as if Biden wasn’t really putting much effort towards his job for decades. I like that Biden is not a circus and I hope that his plans do work. I don’t think throwing money haphazardly at some problems while ignoring others is the answer but time will tell.I'll take the normalcy and credibility on the world stage all day. Where I struggle is that, given his time in the US gubmint, he should be far more masterful at navigating our system to get what he wants. If he wants to be remembered as FDR 2.0, he needs to get some #### done at a much faster pace.
Voted neither.
Amen.I'm pro center.
I'm anti the left spending 4 years trying to delegitimize Trump's election. I'm anti the right apparently planning to spend 4 years delegitimizing Bidens election.
As is Biden.I don’t think many thought the election was illegitimate. I think he was just being held accountable for his incompetence and corruption.
Agreed. The “I’m pro-America so I’m pro-Biden” answer is a bit of a cop out IMO. I’m confident that most people don’t want the country to implode.I inferred that it meant anti what Biden stands for. I don't think anyone wants him to fail spectacularly in a manner that destroys the country.
Yep, that's why I voted anti-Biden too. It's clear to me someone else or someone elses are really calling the shots.Agreed. The “I’m pro-America so I’m pro-Biden” answer is a bit of a cop out IMO. I’m confident that most people don’t want the country to implode.
I voted anti-Biden because, as I’ve stated elsewhere recently, I’m not sure what this administration stands for these days, and a big part of the problem is Biden’s clear cognitive decline. I do not find this situation “normal” although many here have welcomed back normalcy, which I guess means having a president who doesn’t tweet mean things.
This is a really good summary.I am pro constitution, pro democracy , pro truth therefore anti Trump. Never believed in this Deep State crap. Think Biden is a decent man but think his spending plans are too much but Trumps tax cuts for billionaires added much to the deficit as well. Have no regrets about voting for Biden.But neither pro or anti Biden
Love your handle by the wayI inferred that it meant anti what Biden stands for. I don't think anyone wants him to fail spectacularly in a manner that destroys the country.
Right, that kind of crazy hopefully ended with the anti-Trump and that's how I voted. In retrospect, after the last 4 years the OP could have made it more clear what we are voting for.I inferred that it meant anti what Biden stands for. I don't think anyone wants him to fail spectacularly in a manner that destroys the country.
It seems that everyone knows what pro-Trump and anti-Trump means. But when it’s Biden it becomes this semantic exercise.Right, that kind of crazy hopefully ended with the anti-Trump and that's how I voted. In retrospect, after the last 4 years the OP could have made it more clear what we are voting for.
Maybe because it's just so hard to imagine anyone being pro-Biden? How many people do you know who are big Biden FANS? Nobody in my circle of friends wanted him to finish top-3 in the primary. I mean, my parents love the guy......but only because he beat Trump...not because they like Biden...and when I watch him speak, I mostly feel a weird blend of empathy and pity. I'm not pro-Biden as President, because he's about as lucid as my mid-70s father. But I also can't hate Biden because he reminds me of my mid-70s father.It seems that everyone knows what pro-Trump and anti-Trump means. But when it’s Biden it becomes this semantic exercise.
I've never done a survey or asked anyone at all, but I just assumed that pretty much everyone is a big Biden fan.How many people do you know who are big Biden FANS?
This should just be table stakes.....I mean, I know Trump fans aren't also Biden fans. But who among the non-Trump fans wouldn't be Biden fans? The idea is weird to me. Here we have a President who doesn't lie all the time about everything, doesn't obstruct justice, doesn't demand personal loyalty over all else, and wants to uphold democracy without slipping into authoritarianism ... and people aren't huge fans of all that?
I am extremely anti-Biden to the extent that he obstructs justice and lies all the time.
I am a bit confused about your responses here that seem to contradict each otherI've never done a survey or asked anyone at all, but I just assumed that pretty much everyone is a big Biden fan.
Who wouldn't be?
I mean, I know Trump fans aren't also Biden fans. But who among the non-Trump fans wouldn't be Biden fans? The idea is weird to me. Here we have a President who doesn't lie all the time about everything, doesn't obstruct justice, doesn't demand personal loyalty over all else, and wants to uphold democracy without slipping into authoritarianism ... and people aren't huge fans of all that?
Sure, you might disagree about some policy stuff, but policy stuff really doesn't matter very much in the grand scheme of things. (Mainly because there's always at least a 40% chance that you're wrong about whatever major policy stuff you disagree with others about. Policy stuff, in that respect, is like team defense in fantasy football. Often it ends up mattering in hindsight, but mostly by random chance, which means it shouldn't be a huge priority up front.)
If you're saying that we should take all of those things for granted, I'd say that recent history proves we can't.This should just be table stakes.....I mean, I know Trump fans aren't also Biden fans. But who among the non-Trump fans wouldn't be Biden fans? The idea is weird to me. Here we have a President who doesn't lie all the time about everything, doesn't obstruct justice, doesn't demand personal loyalty over all else, and wants to uphold democracy without slipping into authoritarianism ... and people aren't huge fans of all that?
I don't see a contradiction. The second post is saying that Biden doesn't obstruct justice. The first post is saying that if Biden does obstruct justice, he is in that respect bad. I believe both statements are true.I am a bit confused about your responses here that seem to contradict each other