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I'm curious to know why this is considered a line in the sand for you but not every single thing in walmart made in sweat shops in china. We bow to the might $$$. Hollywood makes huge money over there. So do most big American companies.
I wish I didn't have to shop at Walmart as much as I do, but living on a budget I have to do what is best for me and my family.
This isn't virtue signaling to me though. Hollywood's product is its stars. So if they want into the billion$$$ Chinese market they have to make sure their products are best aligned to support that market.
The "woke" NBA will not allow fans to wear "Free Tawian" t-shirts in their arenas. I am suprised the players have not taken up support for Taiwain as a cause.
But it's what rubs people the wrong way. The Award shows have garbage ratings because people are watching less movies and those shows are now associated with righteous acceptance speeches. Stop global warming, end racism, be kind to one another, don't exclude people... Most pPeople support these things, but those with megaphones are in position to make that sort of change and just fall flat often.
I don't disagree with you I just don't separate the two. if we are going to pour billions of american $$$s into China to get a tshirt that is $2 less expensive than I think you lose your credibility to criticize Cena over this. The product is the people and they want that money. It makes perfect sense. And as mentioned before, this is the USA, we will do anything to chase the money. Including making China a super power (because let's not kid ourselves, this is our fault).
I've turned off the NBA as well and it's definitely easier to give up things that were only borderline on my radar to begin with.
I can't recall Walmart ever lecturing me about their commitment to social justice. I definitely don't recall Walmart putting on prime-time awards shows where Walmart executives congratulate one another for their high-mindedness while (of course) lecturing the rest of us on how we should be better.
Well it got off track here but this is about Cena apologizing to China because he is the product for sale in China which is a billion $$ industry
I don't think buying an item where you are unsure of how it's made is the same as going on twitter and making a video apologizing to China for calling Taiwan a country and proclaiming how much you love China.
Article says that was for holding up signs with political messages, not wearing t-shirts.
NBA.com banned people from getting "Free Hong Kong" on the back of a custom jersey. And we know why those people were kicked out.
I am ashamed to admit I know this, but John Cena actually already knew how to speak Mandarin and he was speaking Mandarin when he called Taiwan a country, so his apology in Mandarin isn't as unusual as it seems. Mind you, I am not endorsing his apology.
They were kicked out for their signs not because of their wearing apparel.
Thank you. And I saw the thing about how the NBA won't allow people to add that to a custom jersey.
I think you're arguing to argue, but the promoted blm which is political and I doubt they are kicking anyone out who chants BLM or brings a sign.
I am skeptical that the article with The Federalist as its source is entirely accurate as to custom slogans.
On a scale of 1 (no desire at all) to 10 (extreme desire) how would you rate the NBA's desire to appease China?
I can't speak for anyone else here but sweatshops are not my concern with China. I've seen discussions here where intelligent people (Maurile IIRC) made a strong case for sweatshops in 3rd world countries being a positive and not a negative. But China is committing genocide and slavery of people and we act like it's not even happening. Disney films movies down the road from internment camps. But not a peep in America about these human rights abuses. It's amazing the lengths we'll go to as a society in pursuit of that next almighty dollar.
I haven't seen any arguments yet as to why the NBA would have any desire at all to appease China...so I would say 1.
You must obviously not watch nor have paid attention to the NBA in a LONG time. China is a massive market for the NBA. There are literally billions of dollars at stake for them there.
I missed this thread during the week, didn't even read the 2nd post but I hope that you asking if it's real means you might have a problem with it as do so many of us.
Why any of us be outraged at a John Cena apology?
For me, I said I'm not going to spend money on things I find hypocritical in regards to China.
Couple of things.
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I guess why now is my question then...because someone in Hollywood apologized? I think we have all remained pretty silent on most things China for a ling time...just as we remain pretty silent in humanitarian conditions in many other countries. The difference there is like you say, money talks.Couple of things.
I know it's fun to label the other side as overreacting, but I don't see any "outrage". Real or "faux".
What I see are people surprised/discouraged/disappointed to see a popular American grovel at the feet of China.
As for why, you answered the question. Lots of people are upset with the conditions in China. And to see Cena bootlick like that seemed remarkable. I don't think anyone is confused as to why. Money talks. But it was still something that some people found interesting.
Right. Liberals have been groveling to China for years -- Disney, the NBA, etc.; but Cena's apology is a sign that conservative icons are not immune to China's influence, either. He's the proverbial canary in a coal mine. He's a wake-up call.
Are you asking why people weren't upset about Cena's groveling in Mandarin prior to him groveling in Mandarin?
Is Cena active in conservative politics? I didn't know that
lol...were you not able to deduce that my question was based on you saying he was a "conservative icon"?
I think it's safe to say that any longtime star of the WWE, who starred as the lead character in a movie called "The Marine" and followed with a string of movies where he plays almost-stereotypical conservative roles (cops, firefighters, soldiers, weightlifters, etc.), who has publicly endorsed Republican political candidates.....is going to be considered an icon to a significant portion of the conservative demographic.
