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2 hours ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

The purpose of raising the minimum wage is to force employers to pay higher wages.  It turns out there’s another way to force employers to pay higher wages — giving people money.

 

You have 5 workers making $12/hour that have worked for you from the start.  You need to add another person, but min wage went from $10 to $15.  How much are you paying the loyal workers who have been with you from the start?

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8 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

I've got a lot of the Corrupt Corporate Media clips I can show you from places all over the United States from last summer that show real people going off on emotional rampages if you would like me to post those as well. 😉

CCM for short 

MoP threads don't allow things like the Media to influence how we are going to discuss things or suddenly prove one person over another. There doesn't have to be a wrong answer here but it is very concerning that they just barely lifted some of the restrictions in certain areas after forcing a lot of folks inside for a year and conditioning an entire country to wear masks outdoors even though that completely is the opposite of what the science shows us. We saw people wearing masks outside in parks, Disney(ABC) is still running commercials with kids wearing masks playing outside, it's shameful. 

So we we won't be putting much stock in anything the CCM is reporting, 

Thanks but I don't see how any of that is relevant to what I posted.

Exactly none of your OP contained any facts about each state's specific situation that led to their respective governors refusing federal aid.

Rather than simply calling it NONSENSE, what I did was lay out Montana's rational, bi-partisan decision-making process.

If people have issues with that, then great, let's discuss. But massive generalizations about "people being flushed off the face of the planet" is indeed an emotional rampage that mischaracterizes the situation.

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2 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

Oh we did too from March ‘20 all the way through February of this year.  Was the worst year of my life dealing with all we had to deal with ( I assume you too).  We just got aggressive as a company in February and said enough is enough.  

If your business was 20 min from Nevada and they were totally open, you couldn't be aggressive.  That is what we faced.

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2 minutes ago, FairWarning said:

You have 5 workers making $12/hour that have worked for you from the start.  You need to add another person, but min wage went from $10 to $15.  How much are you paying the loyal workers who have been with you from the start?

It’s like on Oprah, you get a raise and  you get a raise and you get a raise and you get a raise, And you go out of business!  Hooray everybody lost their job. 

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Thanks but I don't see how any of that is relevant to what I posted.

Exactly none of your OP contained any facts about each state's specific situation that led to their respective governors refusing federal aid.

Rather than simply calling it NONSENSE, what I did was lay out Montana's rational, bi-partisan decision-making process.

If people have issues with that, then great, let's discuss. But massive generalizations about "people being flushed off the face of the planet" is indeed an emotional rampage that mischaracterizes the situation.

I do have a problem with people getting "rewarded" with $1000-1200 for working a month, but I don't have a solution.

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2 hours ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

This feels like a good workaround for the fact that Republicans never want to raise the minimum wage.  Just give everybody enough money so they’re not willing to work for those wages.  Seems like we might actually end up in about the same place.

While you and I do not exchange often, you were actually one of the folks I was thinking about when i fired up this thread. I don't keep notes much but I think I asked you point blank about a Guaranteed income and much to my shock at the time it was exactly what you were suggesting, socialism which i don't think is a taboo word to you. 

Supply and Demand, time for employers to provide a real wage that people can live a normal life on and if that means higher prices for the rich people they service daily then i guess so be it. 

I've been paying $2 for a can of Tennis Balls since MobyDick was a minnow, like all the way back in the 80s they were about $2 a can, that's great for Tennis players but probably not good for the guy running the machine in the tennis ball factory in Taiwan. 

Very general basic idea and I would put down that GOP Hatred Playbook you want to inject, it won't serve you in here. I don't think all these folks screaming get to work in here are all Republicans 🤷‍♂️  but what do I know?

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2 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

It’s like on Oprah, you get a raise and  you get a raise and you get a raise and you get a raise, And you go out of business!  Hooray everybody lost their job. 

Darn right  big business wouldn't mind a higher min wage, it drives out the little guy.

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2 minutes ago, FairWarning said:

I do have a problem with people getting "rewarded" with $1000-1200 for working a month, but I don't have a solution.

Agreed. Anecdotally there are lots of people who have similar sentiments about gov't incentives being given for vaccine shots. Similarly I don't have any solution.

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2 hours ago, Sand said:

I don't look down on anyone who isn't rushing back to work.  That's great - do your thing.  Just don't ask me to pay for your sojourn now that a vaccine is generally available to allow anyone to go back to work.  I worked 2800ish hours last year during this mess, and rebuilt a house smacked around by Sally, and homeschooled my kid for a while.  So while I can empathize with the thought of not going back to the grind I can't sympathize.

Absolutely.  Losing loved ones is horrid.  Not being able to see and take care of our elders, in many cases, was horrid.  This kind of thing affected almost everyone.

Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.  It's a free country.  But, if you want it, fund it your damned self.

 

 

Get ahead, arc of their family?  Seriously, we're talking about a time right now when most folks got their $1,400 and went straight out to buy crap.  Which is why new car dealerships are empty and used car prices are up 30%.  

They're not working a little more to get ahead, they're funding $700/month payments for a new F150.

Do you do anything in philanthropy? Before you answer, my wife and I have been in fundraising and non profit for well over 2 decades now and I think you would appreciate a lot of the work we do. Rather than going out and constantly trying to get money to keep funneling the same project, we work on "endowments" and large piles of money that make interest so that you don't have to constantly keep trying to fund the same projects, you raise 10x the money you really need and just run the expenses off the interest and the pile stays in tact forever in theory...

I said that because I want you to know I do not take lightly what I am speaking about in here but I have done a lot to help folks thru charity and fundraising and I think I am allowed to be a voice. I know you work hard for your money. We all do. 

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2 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

While you and I do not exchange often, you were actually one of the folks I was thinking about when i fired up this thread. I don't keep notes much but I think I asked you point blank about a Guaranteed income and much to my shock at the time it was exactly what you were suggesting, socialism which i don't think is a taboo word to you. 

Supply and Demand, time for employers to provide a real wage that people can live a normal life on and if that means higher prices for the rich people they service daily then i guess so be it. 

I've been paying $2 for a can of Tennis Balls since MobyDick was a minnow, like all the way back in the 80s they were about $2 a can, that's great for Tennis players but probably not good for the guy running the machine in the tennis ball factory in Taiwan. 

Very general basic idea and I would put down that GOP Hatred Playbook you want to inject, it won't serve you in here. I don't think all these folks screaming get to work in here are all Republicans 🤷‍♂️  but what do I know?

The rich people can afford a $6 starbucks, they can also afford a $10 starbucks.  Good luck getting $10 from the Average Joe.  Then again, if we moved a lot of manufacturing back to the US, Average Joe could afford more of those $10 starbucks.  We all know that won't happen, because the WalMart-types control a lot of pricing.

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1 minute ago, dkp993 said:

Exactly. That’s the problem that’s so many people just don’t understand. Entry level minimum wage jobs are never intended to be for the person trying to support a family of four. They’re exactly that entry level positions. If people really think that every single job on the planet should be able to support a family we’re in trouble.  

The shortsightedness of being angry that the business owner who spent 30 years building that business, sacrificing everything, working seven days a week,  taking third mortgages on their house to pay the bills and continue to pay those employees shouldn’t enjoy the fruits of their labor at some point and make a little bit of money it’s just unreal.  But no the narrative of bad owner making all the money exploiting the poor is just what gets pushed time and time again.  

So I’ll share my experience with the minimum wAge hike here in Connecticut. As a small business owner I felt compelled to fight for my parents because they would bear the financial burden.  Connecticut minimum going from $10.10 to $15 would increase my operating expenses 35% which I had to pass along.  This correlates into $3600-$4000 per child pre-tax.  Some parents left for financial reasons and some left as they now made too much for support from state child care program .  While testifying at state hearing, a state senator asked me how I would solve the problem.  In my head, I said gee isn’t that your job but instead said minimum wage jobs should be transient in nature.  For people looking for advancement, we can offer vocational training etc..  

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2 hours ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

The purpose of raising the minimum wage is to force employers to pay higher wages.  It turns out there’s another way to force employers to pay higher wages — giving people money.

 

Let's go with this thought, it's pretty good. 

If people don't have an immediate need for money/food/roof they actually might not take a gawd awful job like waiting on tables or doing any one of many things in hospitality and restaurants that most people cringe at that work in a traditional office, etc...

I like what you're saying here and it gets the conversation flowing towards the bigger issue. Sounds crazy but some folks WANT TO WORK!!! Get out of these people's way, they can do the work of 3 people and companies have found this out and combined jobs/positions, let that process continue. Is someone making $125k a year really sweating the folks raking in $300 a week from the government during one of the most unique experiences we have seen in our lives. 

Maybe folks should make more coffee at home and forgo the barista for now is all I am saying and let's rethink what we truly want to see happening in our neighborhoods.

My 21 yr old Son disagrees with my entire feelings towards this, he has been working round the clock at the big grocery store down here, Publix. He says "Get to Work!" but I don't think I agree with him on this even though i could not be prouder of him for finding opp and seizing it. 

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3 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Let's go with this thought, it's pretty good. 

If people don't have an immediate need for money/food/roof they actually might not take a gawd awful job like waiting on tables or doing any one of many things in hospitality and restaurants that most people cringe at that work in a traditional office, etc...

I like what you're saying here and it gets the conversation flowing towards the bigger issue. Sounds crazy but some folks WANT TO WORK!!! Get out of these people's way, they can do the work of 3 people and companies have found this out and combined jobs/positions, let that process continue. Is someone making $125k a year really sweating the folks raking in $300 a week from the government during one of the most unique experiences we have seen in our lives. 

Maybe folks should make more coffee at home and forgo the barista for now is all I am saying and let's rethink what we truly want to see happening in our neighborhoods.

My 21 yr old Son disagrees with my entire feelings towards this, he has been working round the clock at the big grocery store down here, Publix. He says "Get to Work!" but I don't think I agree with him on this even though i could not be prouder of him for finding opp and seizing it. 

You dont like restraunts or the pride of paying your own way.   Ok.   

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2 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Let's go with this thought, it's pretty good. 

If people don't have an immediate need for money/food/roof they actually might not take a gawd awful job like waiting on tables or doing any one of many things in hospitality and restaurants that most people cringe at that work in a traditional office, etc...

I like what you're saying here and it gets the conversation flowing towards the bigger issue. Sounds crazy but some folks WANT TO WORK!!! Get out of these people's way, they can do the work of 3 people and companies have found this out and combined jobs/positions, let that process continue. Is someone making $125k a year really sweating the folks raking in $300 a week from the government during one of the most unique experiences we have seen in our lives. 

Maybe folks should make more coffee at home and forgo the barista for now is all I am saying and let's rethink what we truly want to see happening in our neighborhoods.

My 21 yr old Son disagrees with my entire feelings towards this, he has been working round the clock at the big grocery store down here, Publix. He says "Get to Work!" but I don't think I agree with him on this even though i could not be prouder of him for finding opp and seizing it. 

You’re missing the point,  who pays for higher wages?

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3 hours ago, The Commish said:

It's always interesting to me how quickly "supply and demand" is forgotten when the federal government giving people $300 a week is wrecking businesses.  "Lucky to have a job" seems to have run it's course....all those stagnant wage people are realizing how they've been screwed for the better part of the last 10-12 years.  I'm fortunate that my company sees this and is providing raises for us to stay around.

The Ministry is a big fan of folks who acknowledge this and it really goes back into the late 70s and 80s. I can remember when Time magazine and others were running stories showing men and women laid off after decades in the same company back when there was an unwritten rule that if you put in enough time that most companies would keep you until you wanted to retire but suddenly they were churning 55 year olds on to the streets with few job options. 

TY Commish, excellent point and I think very on the pulse of the problem and what is boiling under the surface or getting under the skin of many. 

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@Ministry of Pain Perhaps you have a already mentioned it but I haven’t figured it out. Why do you think people who are able, shouldn’t be “forced” to go back to work? I guess I’m not understanding your position. From what I am piecing together, your argument seems to be, these jobs should pay more and if they don’t, the government should step in with payments? Not only do I disagree with your short term plan, but what is the endgame?

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35 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Do you do anything in philanthropy? Before you answer, my wife and I have been in fundraising and non profit for well over 2 decades now and I think you would appreciate a lot of the work we do. Rather than going out and constantly trying to get money to keep funneling the same project, we work on "endowments" and large piles of money that make interest so that you don't have to constantly keep trying to fund the same projects, you raise 10x the money you really need and just run the expenses off the interest and the pile stays in tact forever in theory...

I said that because I want you to know I do not take lightly what I am speaking about in here but I have done a lot to help folks thru charity and fundraising and I think I am allowed to be a voice. I know you work hard for your money. We all do. 

This year my biggest expense category will be charity.   My time is lacking in doing much more (when I retire I'll have time!).

 I'm sure I would appreciate the work that you do here - :hifive: for sinking your time into something like this.

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3 hours ago, FairWarning said:

It's a matter of time before this plays out.  If they are coming, then lets make them legal.

What if we processed them thru one main entrance where they could sign a book and perhaps get a fast track for an ID right there and a social security card? The fact is a lot of folks are not going to work the jobs the companies need filled right now, got a feeling there will be a lot of new folks in America over the next couple years, we need the cheap labor to build more homes.   

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2 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

What if we processed them thru one main entrance where they could sign a book and perhaps get a fast track for an ID right there and a social security card? The fact is a lot of folks are not going to work the jobs the companies need filled right now, got a feeling there will be a lot of new folks in America over the next couple years, we need the cheap labor to build more homes.   

That should result in higher wages

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20 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Is someone making $125k a year really sweating the folks raking in $300 a week from the government during one of the most unique experiences we have seen in our lives. 

Yes.  When the 125k person is also having work extra hard to do the job of the person sitting home (on top of the job that they are earning said 125k from) so that person sitting home can play World of Warcraft and smoke pot.  Oh yeah not only do they have to do that extra job they happen to be the ones paying that person to sit home.  

So yeah they just might be sweating it.  

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4 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

What if we processed them thru one main entrance where they could sign a book and perhaps get a fast track for an ID right there and a social security card? The fact is a lot of folks are not going to work the jobs the companies need filled right now, got a feeling there will be a lot of new folks in America over the next couple years, we need the cheap labor to build more homes.   

Not many sectors they cannot be used in right now.

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2 hours ago, FairWarning said:

Michigan is going to adapt this next month.  It's another headache for management to interview someone who just wants the box checked so they can remain on unemployment.  We would be swamped EXCEPT the maximum is 50 people inside, Indiana went to 300 in March.  All of our weddings moved to Indiana.  

One of your other posts asked about how much a skilled worker should make...

-I do this in my $$$ threads where I show how $150,000 is not much different than making $50,000 in this country. I feel like $50k should be the minimum, $1,000 a week prior to Uncle Sam is almost nothing after they get their share, it's barely enough to have an apartment, car, girlfriend, dog and maybe still be able to enjoy Taco Tuesday. 

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56 minutes ago, FairWarning said:

You have 5 workers making $12/hour that have worked for you from the start.  You need to add another person, but min wage went from $10 to $15.  How much are you paying the loyal workers who have been with you from the start?

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3 hours ago, The Commish said:

It's always interesting to me how quickly "supply and demand" is forgotten when the federal government giving people $300 a week is wrecking businesses.  "Lucky to have a job" seems to have run it's course....all those stagnant wage people are realizing how they've been screwed for the better part of the last 10-12 years.  I'm fortunate that my company sees this and is providing raises for us to stay around.

BTW, studies have shows that overall compensation has gone up, but that many folks just don't see it as it has been sucked up by the dramatic increase in health insurance costs.

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1 hour ago, dkp993 said:

Unfortunately Herb the situation you described in the first half of your diatribe has absolutely no effect on what you describe in your second half. I’ve run and owned Restaurants my entire life, I got there by starting as a buss boy (well actually earlier than that, 14 at McDonald’s) and worked my ### off to work my way up.  Never once did I outsource a job to China, Mexico or 3rd party.  You’re conflating of things just makes for a hyperbolic statement and is disconnected from the reality most businesses owners face. 

I also think you are looking at things thru Hospitality and we've discussed in the past, I used to run nightclubs back in the 90s Central Florida, very familiar with what you do, big tip of the cap from me, very difficult to do what you do and have done. 

Try looking at it thru the world of cubicles and office space where a lot of what was posted is very true my friend. I've been in both environments and I was there when the banks all went under or folks in the Great Recession where ex-mortgage folks were suddenly running the Produce Dept at Whole Foods, almost the opposite of this. This time around a lot of office types got to keep their jobs and work from home, where the more labor intensive hospitality industry as an example was ravaged.  

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21 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Is someone making $125k a year really sweating the folks raking in $300 a week from the government during one of the most unique experiences we have seen in our lives.

I don't sweat them, I worry about them. 

Right now we have a defacto government policy of automating as many jobs as possible.  That is unhealthy on many, many levels and I'd personally like to see that these folks get back to these jobs before they go away forever.

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Just now, Ministry of Pain said:

Try looking at it thru the world of cubicles and office space where a lot of what was posted is very true my friend. I've been in both environments and I was there when the banks all went under or folks in the Great Recession where ex-mortgage folks were suddenly running the Produce Dept at Whole Foods, almost the opposite of this. This time around a lot of office types got to keep their jobs and work from home, where the more labor intensive hospitality industry as an example was ravaged.  

2008 and now were very different.  2008 was a white collar man-cession.  This time around it was relatively lower paid jobs and affected women more (child care and schools being closed being a huge, huge driver).

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23 minutes ago, stlrams said:

You’re missing the point,  who pays for higher wages?

What do you mean? 

Job "A" $50k

Job "B" $50k

Person in job B wants to leave or stay home and the person holding Job "A" can do both jobs and the company pays him/her $75k now and saves $25,000 in salary and the person who WANTS TO WORK is making DOUBLE!!!

"Giddy-Up" @Captain Cranks  

 

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3 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

and the person who WANTS TO WORK is making DOUBLE!!!

This isn't the way it works.  If it was I'd be Richey Rich diving into pools of money.

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25 minutes ago, Cjw_55106 said:

@Ministry of Pain Perhaps you have a already mentioned it but I haven’t figured it out. Why do you think people who are able, shouldn’t be “forced” to go back to work? I guess I’m not understanding your position. From what I am piecing together, your argument seems to be, these jobs should pay more and if they don’t, the government should step in with payments? Not only do I disagree with your short term plan, but what is the endgame?

Because people who could go to work and function just fine had their lives completely destroyed over the last 12 months and we have a rampant rise in alcoholism as an example, drug addiction is thru the roof, and I would like to get people some mental help since that type of horror is much harder to discover beneath the surface. Just because the leaders say its safe to go back to work or just because you cut off bare necessities to folks you are going to have other issues and problems. 

I think a slowwwwwwwwww return is in order. 

People are being treated like cattle or just a number and I think we could do a little better on this part of the plan.  I think if employers started paying the ones who are actually working, a lot more money like they are covering for 2 jobs or 2 people and it really has been this way since the Great Recession, employers figured out they could operate with less butts in the seats and many NEVER rehired and a lot of places have been understaffed for a long time. 

I'm having a hard time wanting to "force" people to work. 

I could never MAKE people do things, could never make Students do things, you have to inspire people, lead people but not force people.

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49 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

Yes.  When the 125k person is also having work extra hard to do the job of the person sitting home (on top of the job that they are earning said 125k from) so that person sitting home can play World of Warcraft and smoke pot.  Oh yeah not only do they have to do that extra job they happen to be the ones paying that person to sit home.  

So yeah they just might be sweating it.  

Maybe the person who is sitting at home thumbing their nose at minimum wage or close to it should be paid more? Avg salary in this country is like $30k or less, that's $15 an hour which is what many in here are posting. $15 an hour is basically minimum wage. 

I think folks making $50k like a teacher should make $75k, many making $100k should get a $25k injection into their paycheck as well. We need to start paying heavily to the people who want to work. 

@Cjw_55106 you asked what the end game is? I want to see the working class, the middle class, those making somewhat enough to make ends meet but not getting ahead, I want to see those people be rewarded for working hard. It's not just about the $300 a week, I want employers to focus on the ones they have already and perhaps go back and bring back some of the people they laid off. 

I'm just not as angry with folks not working right now as I have been in the past. My anger is directed more at corporate greed and the amount of money the rich have printed in the last year vs any other time I can even think of. 

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1 hour ago, Sand said:

2008 and now were very different.  2008 was a white collar man-cession.  This time around it was relatively lower paid jobs and affected women more (child care and schools being closed being a huge, huge driver).

I agree and pointed that out, it was the reverse of this past one but you frame it better with "white collar man-cession" good description. 

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The US has such a weird psyche with respect to work. Like we consider it more noble to work just for works sake. But why? Why should working 80 hours per week be more noble than working 10 hours per week?

It seems to me we should be striving to maximize happiness. And the noble goal is to find what it is that maximizes your happiness and try to achieve it.

And if that means you working 80 hours per week, great. But if that means we can pay you $40k to not work and still thrive as a culture - great. Why would the 80 hour per week person care about that? I don't get it.

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13 minutes ago, whoknew said:

And if that means you working 80 hours per week, great. But if that means we can pay you $40k to not work and still thrive as a culture - great. Why would the 80 hour per week person care about that? I don't get it.

You can't pay everyone who doesn't want to work 40k.  There aren't enough productive people to allow for that.  There is more than enough help needed for those who can't work.  Society should dedicate resources for those who need it.  We all deserve to pursue happiness, though we are not guaranteed it. 

Happiness is not a need.

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3 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Maybe the person who is sitting at home thumbing their nose at minimum wage or close to it should be paid more? Avg salary in this country is like $30k or less, that's $15 an hour which is what many in here are posting. $15 an hour is basically minimum wage

Or maybe entry level minimum wage jobs are supposed to be exactly that.  Entry level.  Let’s be real, the overwhelming majority of those thumbing there noses at these jobs are doing it not on principle but for 2 reasons.  1- they can because we are supporting them, and 2- because they are lazy and don’t want to do something hard to earn the next thing.  Both things are the exact opposite of the moral base you obviously instilled in your son.  Based on what you’ve said here he’s not willing to be ok with those 2 things, good on him! We need more of that attitude not less.  Our generation has by in large screwed up our kids by trying to protect them from pain, and far far far too many are entitled, they believe the world owes them because they are them.  That’s a dangerous mindset and what is allowing the vast majority of them to sit on there’s ### right now while the rest of us continue to support them.  

Pandemic or not it’s time to pick ourselves up of the mat and set back at it.  This world doesn’t owe us ####, we’ve got to earn it every step of the way.  

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56 minutes ago, whoknew said:

The US has such a weird psyche with respect to work. Like we consider it more noble to work just for works sake. But why? Why should working 80 hours per week be more noble than working 10 hours per week?

It seems to me we should be striving to maximize happiness. And the noble goal is to find what it is that maximizes your happiness and try to achieve it.

And if that means you working 80 hours per week, great. But if that means we can pay you $40k to not work and still thrive as a culture - great. Why would the 80 hour per week person care about that? I don't get it.

I agree with your focus on happiness.  That’s exactly the journey we should each be on individually, no doubt about it.   But why do I have to work to support your happiness?  Because that’s the only way what you’re describing works, if some else is willing to pay for it.

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1 hour ago, dkp993 said:

I agree with your focus on happiness.  That’s exactly the journey we should each be on individually, no doubt about it.   But why do I have to work to support your happiness?  Because that’s the only way what you’re describing works, if some else is willing to pay for it.

And if those other people, who are willing to work, aren't happy then what he's basically saying is some of us should work and be unhappy so he can not work and be happy.  That doesn't seem fair, does it?  Pay for your own happiness.

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5 hours ago, Quint said:

seeing the same re: weekends off, though haven’t had the $35/hr ask [yet]. 
 

 

Weekends off?  Lol.  Wtf is wrong with people?   It’s a wedding business for #### sakes.  Good luck and you can land some decent workers.  

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5 hours ago, stlrams said:

Wrong approach here.  Raising the minimum wage in the long run does not help the working poor..  

depends on where.  Agree in urban areas it does not.  Inflation will return them to the exact same station. 

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4 minutes ago, zoonation said:

Weekends off?  Lol.  Wtf is wrong with people?   It’s a wedding business for #### sakes.  Good luck and you can land some decent workers.  

I’m telling you it takes all my will power to not say “are you ####### kidding me!?!”, but instead I smile and say “thanks for coming in”.    Then proceed to go bang my head again the wall.  

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Just now, dkp993 said:

I’m telling you it takes all my will power to not say “are you ####### kidding me!?!”, but instead I smile and say “thanks for coming in”.    Then proceed to go bang my head again the wall.  

I can’t imagine.  If I were you I’d be hoping they let everyone in on the southern border. I bet those people would work their nuts off for you to have a steady job like that.  

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5 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

What do you mean? 

Job "A" $50k

Job "B" $50k

Person in job B wants to leave or stay home and the person holding Job "A" can do both jobs and the company pays him/her $75k now and saves $25,000 in salary and the person who WANTS TO WORK is making DOUBLE!!!

"Giddy-Up" @Captain Cranks  

 

My point is higher wages equates to higher operating costs means increase in  prices for everyone.  This just gets passed onto the consumer.  So the minimum wage earner who went from $7.25 to $15 per hour doesn’t really have any more purchasing power as they will end up spending more for goods and services.  

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1 hour ago, zoonation said:

depends on where.  Agree in urban areas it does not.  Inflation will return them to the exact same station. 

That why I believe letting the states handle the minimum wage issue.  They have a better handle.  

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5 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Maybe the jobs are beneath them? It's very possible

So the working class should pay $300 for people who determine they are too good to work a lessor job?  Ask your son if he's OK with that.  Lets face it, the rich are not paying this, everyone else is.

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3 hours ago, dkp993 said:

I’m telling you it takes all my will power to not say “are you ####### kidding me!?!”, but instead I smile and say “thanks for coming in”.    Then proceed to go bang my head again the wall.  

Is there any way to screen the applicants for that type of nonsense before the interview? Create a "weekends-only" position?

As for the OP, people milking the system are lame. 

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