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EQUALITY or EQUITY....you can't have both. (1 Viewer)
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djmich
Footballguy
You actually can’t have either.
You can have everyone treated equally under the law, but birth situation will make all starting points and experiences different…for different reasons.
The question is how much do you change or adjust for that? How do you adjust for physiological differences. For parenting differences.
You can have everyone treated equally under the law, but birth situation will make all starting points and experiences different…for different reasons.
The question is how much do you change or adjust for that? How do you adjust for physiological differences. For parenting differences.
You are correct but I'm not talking about equality under the law.
That's a no brainer and of course, should be.
I'm more talking about societies goals.
I see the posters and ads all over the place about achieving equity.
If your goal is equity....you try to achieve it by forcing equality?
All things begin equal, there will never be equity.
If the goal is to achieve equal outcomes (equity), we would have to enforce inequality...that is, advantage some and disadvantage others.
Are they simply misusing the word?
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timschochet
Footballguy
Some in our society begin with less opportunity because of poverty, institutional racism, or a combination of the two.
Without getting rid of capitalism, what’s wrong with government giving these folks a helping hand?
Without getting rid of capitalism, what’s wrong with government giving these folks a helping hand?
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djmich
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timschochet
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djmich
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
First off, there is no institutional racism - that's doesn't exist anymore based on all the advances from the 60's.
Second off, we already do help people born into poverty, so we don't need to do anything more because we already do it.
timschochet
Footballguy
You’re the perfect guy for my debate idea- seriously. Are you interested? It wouldn’t involve any more posting than you’re already doing.
Caveman33
Footballguy
Don't those who are lacking in ability have less opportunities in life? Not just mental IQ but social IQ and EQ. Physical abilities as well. We inherit more than just money and skin color from our parents, which play a huge part in our opportunities to succeed in life.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
1. Wow
2. So because we help some, we can’t possibly help more? If I run 0.01 miles per week, does that make me a runner?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
1. Show me the institution that's racist and what they're doing that is racist and then I'll be on board to change it. Right now, I'm not seeing an "institution" that's racist. Individuals, yes. Institutions, no way. Those Jim Crowe laws have been wiped out on the books for decades now.
2. We have thousands of programs and incentives for poor people, single mothers, etc... Like so many we probably could spend the next year naming them all from the Federal level, to the State level down to the county and city. What more do you need?
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Philo Beddoe
Footballguy
We’ve spent over 22 trillion on anti-poverty programs over the past 50 years and here we are. If we just spend 30 trillion that will fix it.
Any help should be done using reasoned, thought out processes, where progress can be measured. Most of the current ideas, such as reparations, have none of that. They're simply giveaways. Some of the ideas are based on the idea of taking from one person to give to another. I think we should push people up but not by bringing others down.
Philo Beddoe
Footballguy
Adjusted for inflation, 22 trillion is 3 times the cost of all military wars since the American Revolution.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
"Equity" = thinking Harrison Bergeron was a "how to" instruction manual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron
DaVinci
FairTaxguy
Satan Vows to Make a Comeback
By Phillip Wedge
Yeah, they’re sending me down to the lowest
of the low, some bush-league team, the Pandas.
I tell you it’s a monopoly, man.
Isn’t there some law against owning all
the teams? God is sure off base this time.
What’s the point of having a World Series
if you’re set up to lose from the outset?
We sure had them on the ropes though, didn’t
we? Those Angels couldn’t do it by themselves,
so God tells Christ to warm up in the pen.
Was that supposed to scare us or what? When
Belial, that great Sultan of Sloth,
came up – and the bases full – he slugged that
little old sphere clean out of the ballpark
to tie the game. And God lets Michael throw
one more pitch to Big Mammon the Cannon
and they’re down by one with me up next. God
couldn’t stand to be down by two in His
ballpark, especially not in the top
of the Ninth, my favorite number. So
He calls up the Super Star Himself to
pitch to me, saying “ J.C. can outshine
even Lucifer.” I mean, where does He
get off saying that? What a spectacle
Christ made of Himself too. Only He would
need a Fiery Chariot instead
just jogging in from the bullpen.
Why, those wheels of fire singed half the infield.
And then that s.o.G. sends the players
to the dugout and says He can do it
all Himself. Who does He think He is? God?
When I hit the first pitch downtown, what does
John Milton shout? Foul ball! If ever we
needed proof that umpires are blind as bats,
that was it. And of course I protested,
but God doesn’t allow replays to change
a Judgement call. The game must remain pure.
Naturally, I was really mad as Hell,
so when Christ tries to throw His thunderbolt
screwgie under my chin and I eat dust,
I have to charge the mound myself and kick
some dirt in His face. So His Immaculate
Self got soiled, so what? Milton kicks me out
of the game for that and we lose it all,
not only the Series but we’re out of
the League for good, no comeback, no nothing.
God thinks He has us down for good. Well I’ve
got news for Him – the game’s not over yet.
I’m talking Unions, man. All my boys
are behind me on this one; the system’s
got to go. Once we get Adam and his
lot on our side, we’ve got God licked for sure.
The Union won’t stand for less than equal shares
all around. Man, I’m talking Equity.
By Phillip Wedge
Yeah, they’re sending me down to the lowest
of the low, some bush-league team, the Pandas.
I tell you it’s a monopoly, man.
Isn’t there some law against owning all
the teams? God is sure off base this time.
What’s the point of having a World Series
if you’re set up to lose from the outset?
We sure had them on the ropes though, didn’t
we? Those Angels couldn’t do it by themselves,
so God tells Christ to warm up in the pen.
Was that supposed to scare us or what? When
Belial, that great Sultan of Sloth,
came up – and the bases full – he slugged that
little old sphere clean out of the ballpark
to tie the game. And God lets Michael throw
one more pitch to Big Mammon the Cannon
and they’re down by one with me up next. God
couldn’t stand to be down by two in His
ballpark, especially not in the top
of the Ninth, my favorite number. So
He calls up the Super Star Himself to
pitch to me, saying “ J.C. can outshine
even Lucifer.” I mean, where does He
get off saying that? What a spectacle
Christ made of Himself too. Only He would
need a Fiery Chariot instead
just jogging in from the bullpen.
Why, those wheels of fire singed half the infield.
And then that s.o.G. sends the players
to the dugout and says He can do it
all Himself. Who does He think He is? God?
When I hit the first pitch downtown, what does
John Milton shout? Foul ball! If ever we
needed proof that umpires are blind as bats,
that was it. And of course I protested,
but God doesn’t allow replays to change
a Judgement call. The game must remain pure.
Naturally, I was really mad as Hell,
so when Christ tries to throw His thunderbolt
screwgie under my chin and I eat dust,
I have to charge the mound myself and kick
some dirt in His face. So His Immaculate
Self got soiled, so what? Milton kicks me out
of the game for that and we lose it all,
not only the Series but we’re out of
the League for good, no comeback, no nothing.
God thinks He has us down for good. Well I’ve
got news for Him – the game’s not over yet.
I’m talking Unions, man. All my boys
are behind me on this one; the system’s
got to go. Once we get Adam and his
lot on our side, we’ve got God licked for sure.
The Union won’t stand for less than equal shares
all around. Man, I’m talking Equity.
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