Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
TE Noah Gray, KC (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Faust
- Start date
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Took a flyer on him at 4.07 (got Bourne & the pick for Gronk)
We'll see what happens, but I've now seen 3 stories over the last couple weeks with Andy Reid, Kelce & Mahomes liking the kid, plus talk of what a hard worker he is & how they want to use him to gibe Kelce a breather for the longer season. That adds up to a "what the heck" pick to me.
We'll see what happens, but I've now seen 3 stories over the last couple weeks with Andy Reid, Kelce & Mahomes liking the kid, plus talk of what a hard worker he is & how they want to use him to gibe Kelce a breather for the longer season. That adds up to a "what the heck" pick to me.
Last edited by a moderator:
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I have a 30-man roster, so basically a roster & taxi in one. In a league that deep I feel like he’s worth seeing what happens with those 2 TE sets. The Chiefs have been raving about him & Reid isn’t usually the subterfuge type of coach, so maybe there’s some fire with this smoke.
foxco
Footballguy
Mostly agree, though I picked him up in a TE premium league and plan on holding for a season or two. If he doesn't show any flashes this year maybe I'll cut bait.
It's that time of year where fluff pieces happen on marginal players. I am not saying not to pick him up but I would temper expectations. These stories are basically overdone this time of year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh my expectations are tempered for sure. I get it. Like the combine where everyone’s a star in the underwear Olympics.
But if there’s a chance this kid could be something, it’s not a terrible idea to get him on the cheap. He has as much chance to be valuable as any of the other scrubs in the late 4th of a draft. And with a 31 year old Kelce, ya never know how relevant he might be if an injury hits.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I just don't believe in holding a TE waiting for an injury. I think holding a dart throw at another position makes more sense, TE premium or not.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not holding him waiting for injury. I’m holding him to see if 1. They do indeed use more 2 TE sets with 2 receiving TEs on the field, and 2. To see if they do indeed give Kelce more snaps off, hoping to keep him healthy in a longer season.
Those are the two things KC said they were going to do, so it bears watching too see if they actually do that.
as an aside, I mentioned Kelce’s age. Not as a main point of holding Gray.
To each their own. Imma hold. You’re free to not hold. lol
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Traded up in the 5th round to get him? Okay LOL
This is a 5th round rookie TE on a team with the best TE in the game ahead of him. He isn't going to do much for the next two seasons if he ends up doing anything at all.
I think you could use the roster spot in better ways than this.
This is a 5th round rookie TE on a team with the best TE in the game ahead of him. He isn't going to do much for the next two seasons if he ends up doing anything at all.
I think you could use the roster spot in better ways than this.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sure, I could add the handcuff to my handcuff RB. Or the 6th WR IN TEN I guess.
Not sure there’s a “better” or “worse” option for my 30th roster spot.
You seem to treat the importance of that spot far greater than I.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Well if you think about it every roster spot is worth the same thing. Its a roster spot.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Technically accurate. When I refer to it as “my 30th” roster spot, I mean “the 1st player I’d cut if something more interesting comes along”.
I mean, maybe you’d drop your RB1 since the roster spot is worth the same. I don’t judge.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yes I understand what you mean by 30th roster spot. I am just trying to share a different way of looking at that.Technically accurate. When I refer to it as “my 30th” roster spot, I mean “the 1st player I’d cut if something more interesting comes along”.
I mean, maybe you’d drop your RB1 since the roster spot is worth the same. I don’t judge.
I have calculated the value of roster spots before and it is tied to the replacement level value which depends on the specific starting requirements and roster size of each league.
So you want to roster players who are above the replacement value for every roster spot that you can. Realistically you probably can't do that for every roster spot but that would be my goal.
TE usually take a bit longer to develop than other positions do and Kelce will be a huge impediment to his opportunity to do that. If you are thinking about these roster spots as trade commodities I think even after 300 or so players that there is someone more worth while to have than Grey.
battlestar
Footballguy
I love the back and forth. It challenges me to think differently and is really appreciate all the points of view.
I get and mostly agree with the value of roster spots but I also have to keep a couple, where possible (I also am in 30player league) but I see the and enjoy the fun in stashing a guy who might hit, if I can hold long enough. Rarely works but if I can I like to keep a spot for this at least. Kinda like making sure you have a little fun money in real life. Great if you can do it but not always possible.
I get and mostly agree with the value of roster spots but I also have to keep a couple, where possible (I also am in 30player league) but I see the and enjoy the fun in stashing a guy who might hit, if I can hold long enough. Rarely works but if I can I like to keep a spot for this at least. Kinda like making sure you have a little fun money in real life. Great if you can do it but not always possible.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And similarly I understand your point.
And I’ll again say, you can do what’s right for you & I’m gonna take a flier on Gray until I see some preseason action.
you’re talking longer term than I am. I’m talking about a couple months. I even conceded that something better might come along in the next couple months. He’s truly a “back of the roster body”.
But IMO, he’s worth holding onto through preseason to see if the hype continues to build.
Arguing otherwise seems like kind of a a silly hill to die on for such a marginal player.
Last edited by a moderator:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah I get it and who knows maybe I am completely wrong about Grey. i should likely shut my mouth about him specifically since I haven't even watched the guy.
I think for these end of the roster type players what I want are guys that I might be able to trade for something else, so if you think Grey can fetch better trade value than the guys on your waiver wire right now by all means add him.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
From a anecdotal perspective I rostered Demitruis Harris for several seasons and I do think he is a good player but that never went anywhere.
Kelce is older now so there is that.
Kelce is older now so there is that.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
battlestar
Footballguy
Funny you say that...this happened to me more than once and still wonder if there may be something there in Jax...I mean I know probably not but he has flashed at times.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Pwingles
Footballguy
grabbed him in a few deep dynasty leagues off the wire for free
i play in mostly TE prem leagues, and am deep in chiefs country. I generally grab a few lotto tickets this time of year, and a few guys to try and take advantage of the camp reports to flip later. We will see which one this kid ends up being.
i play in mostly TE prem leagues, and am deep in chiefs country. I generally grab a few lotto tickets this time of year, and a few guys to try and take advantage of the camp reports to flip later. We will see which one this kid ends up being.
Pietaster2
Footballguy
Might as well get this one started with today’s unfortunate news about Kelce.
Gray’s in his third year and seems to have the confidence of the KC staff. Will his usage will be high immediately if Kelce misses any time? Or will he just be part of the messy KC receivers ensemble?
Maybe KC homers have some inside knowledge here?
Gray’s in his third year and seems to have the confidence of the KC staff. Will his usage will be high immediately if Kelce misses any time? Or will he just be part of the messy KC receivers ensemble?
Maybe KC homers have some inside knowledge here?
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Speaking this out of existence, but IF this was a serious Kelce injury, what's a reasonable ceiling to hope for?
I think we're kind of betting on a somewhat talented guy, with an emphasis on years of experience learning behind Kelce and with Mahomes more than anything, right? If I bothered rostering him as Kelce insurance, am I hoping for the low end TE1 production that's not much different from TE18, or is there more ceiling here if Kelce were to miss significant time?
It's a question that I've really struggled with over the last year with Kelce and some other decent TEs on roster. I think most dynasty owners probably have more talented TEs on their waiver wire than Gray. However, from the purely mystical standpoint of fantasy football TEs, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Gray turned out to be the correct answer for how does a Kelce owner start to pick up the pieces at the TE position. It would be so typical if picking up Gray for free, the guy playing behind Kelce and with Mahomes goes on to have more of a fantasy impact than drafting Kincaid, Laporta, McBride, Musgrave with real rookie draft capital.
I think we're kind of betting on a somewhat talented guy, with an emphasis on years of experience learning behind Kelce and with Mahomes more than anything, right? If I bothered rostering him as Kelce insurance, am I hoping for the low end TE1 production that's not much different from TE18, or is there more ceiling here if Kelce were to miss significant time?
It's a question that I've really struggled with over the last year with Kelce and some other decent TEs on roster. I think most dynasty owners probably have more talented TEs on their waiver wire than Gray. However, from the purely mystical standpoint of fantasy football TEs, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Gray turned out to be the correct answer for how does a Kelce owner start to pick up the pieces at the TE position. It would be so typical if picking up Gray for free, the guy playing behind Kelce and with Mahomes goes on to have more of a fantasy impact than drafting Kincaid, Laporta, McBride, Musgrave with real rookie draft capital.
Last edited:
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Assuming that Kelce is out Thursday, where are we ranking Gray among TE's this week?
Crazy to have him slotted in right below Andrews, Hock, Waller and Kittle?
Crazy to have him slotted in right below Andrews, Hock, Waller and Kittle?
massraider
Footballguy
As someone who has never owned Kelce his entire career in any league, let me say how happy I am to see this guy's thread get bumped.
Eff you Travis
Eff you Travis
Deamon
Footballguy
Extremely.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
You may be right, of course. However, to play devil's advocate, Mahomes is gonna get his yardage in the home opener to kick off the NFL season, and Gray has had two full years in the system, assumedly learning from Kelce, and did catch over 80% of the 34 balls tossed his way last year, with just under 11 y/c.
TartanLion
Footballguy
I admit to having chuckled at this news when my opening tilt in one of dynasty leagues has my opponent with Kelce and me completely screwed at TE with nothing much happening ahead of Gray who’s sat on my bench. In to the starting lineup he goes !
Bad karma, I know , but still. I think they trust him and as aforementioned he has had time in the system and been a red zone target before on limited snaps. He’s a very fair chance for a TD and some additional yardage
Bad karma, I know , but still. I think they trust him and as aforementioned he has had time in the system and been a red zone target before on limited snaps. He’s a very fair chance for a TD and some additional yardage
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
For week 1, I'm thinking as good as any other back half TE1 option?
...which happens to coincide with being as good as any other TE2 option (and is probably where ECR would put him).
...which happens to coincide with being as good as any other TE2 option (and is probably where ECR would put him).
Grabbed him in the first waiver run of the year earlier this morning.
Holding for now, but also considering J. Ferguson (vs dreadful NYGs covering TEs), H. Henry (vs PHI), L. Musgrave (@CHI).
Have never owned Kelce of course. LOL. And now he gets hurt less than 12 hours after I drafted him for the first time BEFORE a game is even played.
I was surprised to see he had 30 catches last year? I don't know...he has the greatest QB in the league throwing to him, knows the system. I'd gather if this was mid season with bye weeks and more injuries Gray would be this week's hottest pickup.
All that said, I'm also tinkering with the idea of dumping Gray (if the injury is deemed minor and Kelce listed as questionable today) and waiting to see how it plays out. Could grab Ferguson (Sunday night game) and If I'm blowing him our or getting blown out, just dump the TE anyway to fill another need (assuming Kelce expected back next week).
Holding for now, but also considering J. Ferguson (vs dreadful NYGs covering TEs), H. Henry (vs PHI), L. Musgrave (@CHI).
Have never owned Kelce of course. LOL. And now he gets hurt less than 12 hours after I drafted him for the first time BEFORE a game is even played.
I was surprised to see he had 30 catches last year? I don't know...he has the greatest QB in the league throwing to him, knows the system. I'd gather if this was mid season with bye weeks and more injuries Gray would be this week's hottest pickup.
All that said, I'm also tinkering with the idea of dumping Gray (if the injury is deemed minor and Kelce listed as questionable today) and waiting to see how it plays out. Could grab Ferguson (Sunday night game) and If I'm blowing him our or getting blown out, just dump the TE anyway to fill another need (assuming Kelce expected back next week).
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Whether or not Kelce is able to play Thursday, he's a 33, soon to be 34 year old TE coming off several huge workload years in a row. Considering how KC values the position and having the best QB in the league, it's a no-brainer to roster Gray in larger bench leagues. He was a great round 26-28 pick this year. Worth the swing there IMO.
ChiefD
Footballguy
KC values the position because they have a hall of famer in there right now.
To be honest, with Reid at the helm this offense may completely shift gears once Kelce slows down or retires. The Chiefs kept 7 receivers this year - normally they keep 6. It could be an outlier that means nothing but everything Reid does is SOMETHING.
And to me, this tells me he's thinking about the next evolution. We may find out tomorrow night a little bit. But I don't think Gray is going to be anything special. He's just another chess piece.
To be honest, with Reid at the helm this offense may completely shift gears once Kelce slows down or retires. The Chiefs kept 7 receivers this year - normally they keep 6. It could be an outlier that means nothing but everything Reid does is SOMETHING.
And to me, this tells me he's thinking about the next evolution. We may find out tomorrow night a little bit. But I don't think Gray is going to be anything special. He's just another chess piece.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Fair points. But I'd rather have a chess piece of an offense who should toss 40+ TDs vs. a guy like Noah Fant or Mike Gesicki in the 28th round.
satch
Footballguy
Crazy not to pick up Gray if available. Drafted by Andy Reid to play TE in a Mahomes-led offense which heavily features the TE.
We know Gray was talented enough to get Reid’s attention when drafted, and he’s had 3 years to learn, understand, and execute the TE role in this offense. Of course we can’t expect Kelce production, but literally half of that would be better than most other TEs.
What’s more likely-
1. The Chiefs and Mahomes completely change their offensive system and go away from the TE if Kelce is out for an extended time.
2. The Chiefs expect Gray to be ready for the role he’s been preparing to play for 3 years and the TE remains a key part of their offense.
Gray has learned from and practiced with the best. He’s likely a much better and more confident player now than he was when drafted. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Mahomes feeds him to show that they’ve got confidence in Gray and more egotistically, that Mahomes can make even the backup TE look good, as they don’t miss a beat without Kelce.
Worst case scenario, you pick him up and drop him if it doesn’t pan out. Best case scenario, you acquire Kelce light for free.
We know Gray was talented enough to get Reid’s attention when drafted, and he’s had 3 years to learn, understand, and execute the TE role in this offense. Of course we can’t expect Kelce production, but literally half of that would be better than most other TEs.
What’s more likely-
1. The Chiefs and Mahomes completely change their offensive system and go away from the TE if Kelce is out for an extended time.
2. The Chiefs expect Gray to be ready for the role he’s been preparing to play for 3 years and the TE remains a key part of their offense.
Gray has learned from and practiced with the best. He’s likely a much better and more confident player now than he was when drafted. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Mahomes feeds him to show that they’ve got confidence in Gray and more egotistically, that Mahomes can make even the backup TE look good, as they don’t miss a beat without Kelce.
Worst case scenario, you pick him up and drop him if it doesn’t pan out. Best case scenario, you acquire Kelce light for free.
Last edited:
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
Picked him up in the 12th last night in a FFPC draft. Why the heck not, right?!
jm192
Footballguy
I agree with this.
I don't think Mahommes has eyes for the TE position, he has eyes for Kelce--arguably the best to ever do it.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Oh yeah. For sure.
ChiefD
Footballguy
I think Gray gets a lot of snaps with the 1's. As do most of the receivers - if not all. Reid has plays that feature three tight ends from time to time. So he's always preparing each pass catcher to be ready because you just never know.
The key is the O-line. They have two new tackles, so if Mahomes has time to throw you could throw me out and he would find me.
