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The Unjust Killing of Hunter Brittain By Police In Arkansas - Sharpton And Others On The Scene Saying, Essentially, All Lives Matter (1 Viewer)
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rockaction
Footballguy
We need to be their masters, not subservient to them.
timschochet
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Awful death. But it shouldn’t bring marches because we don’t have a problem with police in this country in general. We have a problem with police in this country against blacks and other minorities.
rockaction
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rockaction
Footballguy
Kelly Thomas wants a word with that, too.
timschochet
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timschochet
Footballguy
Is it really left wing though? I mean, I admit I believe it and obviously we see it differently. But for it to be left wing then it seems to me that I should somehow make the leap from “police treat black people badly” to “capitalism is bad and socialism is good”. And I’m not there at all. So I really don’t know if my ideas on this are left wing or not.
rockaction
Footballguy
So there's really no point in discussing it, then. Especially given the other threads, where people have raised serious statistical/evidentiary-based doubts about your claim. And anecdotally, it would seem the reason white people aren't out in the streets protesting is because they have fewer problems with the system, not that they're killed by police at lesser rates.
I don't want to hang my hat on most of that research, really, nor do a deep dive into it as so many others have done, as it's likely to be flawed; but one could easily surmise that the real reasons blacks protest in such high numbers whenever they've been killed by police is the complete and utter circus that surrounds the identity politics that they've been inundated with since the sixties and their economically impoverished situation (in comparison to whites and even other minorities, like Asians).
Whether these reactions are justified or not is up to the viewer. But the killing of a kid holding a fertilizer spray bottle would send absolute shockwaves through a black community these days, and it would result in media hand-wringing and protestations like one will almost certainly not see in this instance. Now, my position is that it is a problem that should see people out in the streets agitating for police reform, but they likely won't do it en masse, nor will the media really pick up on the story.
If they do, mea culpa.
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rockaction
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There's a definite social aspect to being on the left where one can be a capitalist and still find one's self on the left-wing spectrum if they buy too deeply into grievance politics, something that is anathema to the right. So yes, in short, you can be easily considered to be on the left.
What that comes from is two differing concepts of retribution and justice, and how to make previously dispossessed citizens whole again. The left has its own views -- reparations, redress, or reform for specifically wronged and identifiable groups. The right believes that generally, one can only be made whole again under the eyes of a neutral, colorblind law so that all citizens are equal under the law. No reparation or redress towards specific groups are needed, only the constant application of neutral standards.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think the bolded answers your question. The truth is most whites people feel safer with police around. They view police as protectors of their community (this is how I view them myself.) Black people by and large do not. You can blame “identity politics” and the media and whatever other forces you want for it and reject systemic racism which I think is the source of the issue.
As far as discussing it, you brought it up.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think once something has been decided by someone in the forums and they've talked about it repeatedly (as you have with systemic racism and the like) there's really no purpose in beating a dead horse. And I brought what up? I started the thread, sure, but you made the point that they shouldn't be protesting because, presumably, whites get treated differently by the police than blacks.
I'm not sure I brought that up. In starting the thread, I brought up how the reaction would differ, you went on to make the latter claim.
timschochet
Footballguy
You’re not seriously claiming that “grievance politics” is a leftist thing are you? Not when the current state of the Republican Party is all about white grievance.
Read through the Jan 6 thread and all posts there by @jon_mx in which he claims that there are no bigger victims than rural whites, read all the folks that agree with him, listen to the speeches by the former President and the statements by Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and all the others on this subject and then date to tell me that grievance is leftist.
timschochet
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Have a happy 4th rock!
rockaction
Footballguy
Mmm...perhaps I've underestimated how far my former fellows on the right have fallen. I can accept that it might not be the right that has the stiff upper lip anymore. Perhaps they feel and act just as wounded as those on the left. I wouldn't know. I don't travel with them anymore. But their grievances are certainly different, you'd have to admit. Their grievances are against the media, large financial institutions that the state bailed out, academia, and the distance of representative government from popular will.
Personally, that last one is the one that separates me from them. I think we've got an adequate distance, though it should be swinging back in the direction of the people rather than most of the state's energy coming from large executive agencies and financial institutions that have state backing.
rockaction
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rockaction
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I say that partially because when I first got this very board, tim was very patient with me until I learned how to comport myself, really. I didn't even believe tim existed as a person. Thought he might be someone's alias or bot. He still might be 
. I still push the edges at times, but I'm glad tim sort of stuck with me as a serious character when I was more demonstrative and passionate about things.
To that temperament, I say kudos, and I wish more people on here would do the same, or extend others the same courtesy that tim does...and I mean that.
Okay, back to the reg.
. I still push the edges at times, but I'm glad tim sort of stuck with me as a serious character when I was more demonstrative and passionate about things.To that temperament, I say kudos, and I wish more people on here would do the same, or extend others the same courtesy that tim does...and I mean that.
Okay, back to the reg.
Drunken Cowboy
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I don't agree with this at all. I think we have a huge police problem in this country. Minorities are approached more by police so they feel a disproportionate effect.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I will add there are clearly additional issues minority communities have with police on top of this.
Roy L Fewks
Footballguy
I think I'll take a wait-and-see approach before concluding that the police officer's actions were, quote, "disgusting."
rockaction
Footballguy
This is typical of the assbackward's logic of the left. The left screams about race 24/7 for the last decade. The left declares the biggest threat to America are whites. The left ties the hand of immigration officials so they can not enforce laws. The left eliminates voter IDs so it is difficult to stop illegals from voting or really have any confidence that election fraud is not occuring. The left eliminates test scores from college admissions and makes it mostly race-based. The left gets in bed with big tech to agressively censor the opposition. We tie the hands of police and empower criminals leadung to more violent crime and violence directed at police..
We are suppose to live in a country where free speech is highly valued and people are treated equally, so there push back against these anti-white policies, these surrogate monopolies controlling speech, quasi defacto open border polices, etc. So it is the left aggressively pushing these race-related victimhood policies and when there is pushback then the left accuses the right of acting like victims. That is such hypocritical bs. The right is pushing for equal treatment, free speech, integrity in elections, controlling the border and enforcing immigration laws, standing up for police.
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AAABatteries
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I agree we have a problem but not sure how huge it is. In general, I get the sense these guys (officers) are not trained properly or frequently enough and sometimes even the well trained ones make horrible mistakes.
IvanKaramazov
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
You didn't have a straight face when you posted this, did you? Not sure either side can claim they are for most of this bolded.
Absolutely. The GOP has always been for equal treatment. The Democrats have also been the party of unequal treatment, from the Civil War days to filibustering the Civil Rights acts in the 60's. The GOP only abandoned the Civil Rights causes when they became all about communistic quotas and race- baiting rhetoric eliminating merit based selections. The GOP and conservatives have massive faults, but the policies and agenda pushed by the left are downright evil. The left is destroying this country with their lies promoting anti-white hatred. I am 100 percent sick of liberals and their blaming all societal problems on white bigots. This country has overwhelmingly rejected racism against minorities and we have the strongest laws in the world protecting minorities. We live in by far the most diverse country in the world but the left is doing nothing except pitting everyone against whites. It is thoroughly disgusting.
BladeRunner
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Yep, you're right. Doesn't fit the narrative. Heck, the amount of murders in Chicago every weekend doesn't fit the narrative either - certainly makes you wonder where BLM/Antifa and the rest of the liberals are. Only white cop/black citizen count.
That's too bad, because we should all be concerned over incidents like this.
jm192
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jm192
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“If you’re not actively fighting racism, you’re part of the problem. We all have to be in this together. This is everybody’s problem.”
”Sorry an innocent white kid got killed. Tragic death. We shouldn’t protest it though because it’s a black problem not an everybody problem.”
jm192
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timschochet
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timschochet
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timschochet
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No. Very specifically it’s because of Republican senators who will not vote for a police reform act.
If you don't think every story goes through the "does it fit our narrative" filter, you are lost.
Ramblin Wreck
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Why do we need a police reform act if we generally don't have a problem with police in this country?
timschochet
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timschochet
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Ramblin Wreck
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timschochet
Footballguy
I was very clear in my first post, Read it again please, I think most people, even those who strongly disagree with me, understood my point. Sorry you don’t.
jm192
Footballguy
But shooting an unarmed white kid isn’t a problem? Because it happens more to 1 group—it’s not a problem when it happens to the other?
Are all lives equal or no?
These stories happen, and the left always dismiss them. Instead of it being proof of a larger America problem—you’re afraid it hurts the racist America narrative. You want it to be a problem for everyone, just not a problem for everyone it happens to.
squistion
Footballguy
Exactly. I don't think anyone has ever claimed that there are never unjustified shootings of white people in this country by LEOs.
jm192
Footballguy
So both races have been victims of unjustified shootings, and “we don’t have a general problem with the police.” Got it.
timschochet
Footballguy
You should, because it’s not rocket science. Systemic is the word you’re looking for. There’s no systemic problem in the way police treat white people. There is a systemic problem in the way police treat black people. That is my position. You can disagree with it (obviously many people do) but it’s pretty easy to understand.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
If you wanna play the insult game, then stop mashing the keyboard long enough to choose your words more carefully. I quoted two of your comments and asked a simple question. I should've known though since you're racist cop today (it was sexist cop the other day). Have a great 4th I'll check out of another thread that just repeats the same thing 100 times
BladeRunner
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jm192
Footballguy
Both races are shot and killed unjustifiably. But we only get mad when it happens to 1. We o ly have a problem when it happens to one. Because we only get political points for pointing out when it happens to one side.
Philo Beddoe
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
This thread is a good example of why we are screwed as a society. Too many people are interested in playing identity politics than working towards actual solutions.
When something like this happens, the sentiment should be, "How can we prevent this from happening again?", not "It was not a black person, so who cares?"
When something like this happens, the sentiment should be, "How can we prevent this from happening again?", not "It was not a black person, so who cares?"
