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I Wish We As Society Would Do Less Criticizing Just For Being a Member Of A Political Party (1 Viewer)

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Saw this on Barstool which obviously isn't political media but their take isn't important - they're just pointing to the story that happened. 

Evidently, a woman Addison Rae, at UFC said hello to President Trump and she's getting dragged for it. Link to story.

I don't have any idea who Chris Klemens is with his 285,000 followers but stuff like this feels passive aggressive gross: 

Link to tweet that received 25,000 likes

Oopsies Addison… your Republican is showing
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I hate that we as society seem to be at spot where just being a member of a political party is an insult. 

I'm thankful we can mostly keep away from that kind of thing here. 

 
Looking at Chris Klemens profile, looks like he's a comedian. But with 285,000 followers and 25,000 likes on this tweet, it's clearly something. Just seems discouraging. 

 
Joe Bryant said:
Saw this on Barstool which obviously isn't political media but their take isn't important - they're just pointing to the story that happened. 

Evidently, a woman Addison Rae, at UFC said hello to President Trump and she's getting dragged for it. Link to story.

I don't have any idea who Chris Klemens is with his 285,000 followers but stuff like this feels passive aggressive gross: 

Link to tweet that received 25,000 likes

I hate that we as society seem to be at spot where just being a member of a political party is an insult. 

I'm thankful we can mostly keep away from that kind of thing here. 
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That's not what I see in here.

I also find it disgusting that both parties seem to enjoy being petty and vindictive towards the other. It's sad and disheartening that acting this way is considered okay just because the excuse is that someone else did it first. 

 
I agree with you Joe.  Problem is, people are bailing from the "sides" and as that happens, it concentrates the toxicity.  So those that insist on fitting people to their particular predetermined narrative simply turn to "the left" and "the right" which is incredibly prevalent on this board.  

 
Thanks @Ruffrodys05 and @The Commish and @Caveman33. I wonder if the right thing for us is to continue calling out this kind of thing when we see it. 

Culture can change. What was acceptable for a joke a few years ago has changed today.

I wonder if we don't do a similar thing when something like this where a person is insulted just for being a Democrat or Republican is greeted with "Not cool".

Obviously,  you can't police everything. But it does seem like if more people spoke up, we could make a difference. 

 
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Without naming specific posters but, those who are regularly insulting to others of the opposite party are called out on it. I've yet to see just one change their tune. It's funny and amusing to them. Plus, I'd bet those folks feel we're all mostly anonymous here so what's the real harm, right?  I've even been guilty of it myself and I'm ashamed to admit that. I try to do better. Sometimes my emotions fail me.

 
Joe Bryant said:
Thanks @Ruffrodys05 and @The Commish and @Caveman33. I wonder if the right thing for us is to continue calling out this kind of thing when we see it. 

Culture can change. What was acceptable for a joke a few years ago has changed today.

I wonder if we don't do a similar thing when something like this where a person is insulted just for being a Democrat or Republican is greeted with "Not cool".

Obviously,  you can't police everything. But it does seem like if more people spoke up, we could make a difference. 
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This has been going on quite a bit over the past thirty years, actually. When I worked in D.C., I remember telling people where I worked and having them actively leaving the otherwise pleasant conversation because of it. Like real, vituperative under-the-breath stuff that wasn't under-the-breath. This has been around for a while, though I agree we're seeing it more in everyday life these days than we once did.

I blame, of course, the media extremes of both parties and the changing in the fundamental assumption that Americans are united in the same goal. Decades of reasoning that we're not in chase of the same goals has exacerbated the problem. I'm not sure they're wrong. There may be two fundamentally different notions of the good according to the citizenry.

Sorry to sound like a downer, but this was inevitable once the personal became political, which is the ideology that I blame for it once the dissemination blame is out of the way.

 
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Joe Bryant said:
Thanks @Ruffrodys05 and @The Commish and @Caveman33. I wonder if the right thing for us is to continue calling out this kind of thing when we see it. 

Culture can change. What was acceptable for a joke a few years ago has changed today.

I wonder if we don't do a similar thing when something like this where a person is insulted just for being a Democrat or Republican is greeted with "Not cool".

Obviously,  you can't police everything. But it does seem like if more people spoke up, we could make a difference. 
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ON this board it's transformed into "the left" and "the right"...just to be clear.  You'd be slammed day and night and looking for more disk space if you wanted to police those individuals.

 
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ON this board it's transformed into "the left" and "the right"...just to be clear.  You'd be slammed day and night and looking for more disk space if you wanted to police those individuals.
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Dramatize much?  There are only 6 threads that have been commented on in the last hour.  Only 20 in the past 24 hours.  It wouldn't be difficult at all.

 
Ruffrodys05 said:
Without naming specific posters but, those who are regularly insulting to others of the opposite party are called out on it. I've yet to see just one change their tune. It's funny and amusing to them. Plus, I'd bet those folks feel we're all mostly anonymous here so what's the real harm, right?  I've even been guilty of it myself and I'm ashamed to admit that. I try to do better. Sometimes my emotions fail me.
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I'm not talking about anyone here. 

I'm talking about society. 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
1) It's hard for me to think of any single data point more meaningful than political party in determining what someone's values and beliefs are.  

2) Are you just referring to Democrat v. Republican?  Would you feel the same way if someone was criticized for being part of the Communist Party or the American Freedom Party?  
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For starters, I'd prefer we as US society not use someone identifying as a Democrat or a Republican as a reason to insult them like the guy did with 

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We like to classify things.  We make a lot of assumptions based on political party, or leaning.

I think the two things that stand out most to me are.....

1) I'ts been interesting, and educating for me, in here, to see some of the different POV's of more center/left folks.  

2) The biggest reason we have such a divide in this country, imo, is the snarky, passive aggressive, or flat out dismissal, of conservatives, by the left....I mostly blame the media, as I do see a very left leaning agenda with the majority of it.......I also place some of the current blame on people who can't say one damn critical thing about "their guy"......trumpsters I'm looking at you......but I know plenty of lefties who do the same damn thing with Obama or even Hillary.

All I know is, the current path is going to lead nowhere good.  The narrative that white people need to feel guilt, and we need to keep re-hashing our past, isn't going to work.....

And let's be honest, the left hates our Judeo/Christian roots.......sorry, but as long as you accept everyone else's beliefs, but continue to belittle Christians, you are going to have tremendous push back......in many ways, this is why we got Trump.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
1) It's hard for me to think of any single data point more meaningful than political party in determining what someone's values and beliefs are.  
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This is probably true in the sense that I certainly cannot come up with another single data point that would be more predictive of values and beliefs. But it's also kind of misleading IMO given that (A) there is still a spectrum within party affiliation and (B) the proportion of unaffiliated voters is rising.

Or to put it in data nerd terms. If you're building a one variable predictive model, the model with political party in it will still be the best, but your C-statistic is probably still going to be terrible.

 
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Manster said:
We like to classify things.  We make a lot of assumptions based on political party, or leaning.

I think the two things that stand out most to me are.....

1) I'ts been interesting, and educating for me, in here, to see some of the different POV's of more center/left folks.  

2) The biggest reason we have such a divide in this country, imo, is the snarky, passive aggressive, or flat out dismissal, of conservatives, by the left....I mostly blame the media, as I do see a very left leaning agenda with the majority of it.......I also place some of the current blame on people who can't say one damn critical thing about "their guy"......trumpsters I'm looking at you......but I know plenty of lefties who do the same damn thing with Obama or even Hillary.

All I know is, the current path is going to lead nowhere good.  The narrative that white people need to feel guilt, and we need to keep re-hashing our past, isn't going to work.....

And let's be honest, the left hates our Judeo/Christian roots.......sorry, but as long as you accept everyone else's beliefs, but continue to belittle Christians, you are going to have tremendous push back......in many ways, this is why we got Trump.
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Your post is fascinating to me and I agree with its concepts. But you also then continue narrative of divisiveness and go against the spirt of your post with that last paragraph.  It’s a perfect example of the blind spots we all have, and those blind spots grow as our passion for the topic grows.  Putting large groups of people into boxes is a very slippery slope and unfortunately most of us fall victim to doing it.  

 
Being called a "Dem" "democrat" "lib" "Liberal" "Commie" "leftist" etc.  does not insult me.   :shrug:

What I do find mildly interesting - you take umbrage at a comedian calling someone a "Republican" - yet, gloss over the fact that the original tweet came from someone who is now suspended on twitter.  If anything - I would say the "bad guy" here is the account that got suspended - not the account that called them out....

 
dkp993 said:
Your post is fascinating to me and I agree with its concepts. But you also then continue narrative of divisiveness and go against the spirt of your post with that last paragraph.  It’s a perfect example of the blind spots we all have, and those blind spots grow as our passion for the topic grows.  Putting large groups of people into boxes is a very slippery slope and unfortunately most of us fall victim to doing it.  
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Yea I think we all get defensive in one way or another.  I think for me, it's the fact that I know a lot of really intelligent, good people, who are conservative.  I know a lot of Christians who would gladly give anyone the shirt off their back......truly folks who to try to be Christ-like.  I feel like these are some of the people who are not being represented.  Many of them don't engage in arguing or debating on social media because it's just not a priority, or it doesn't seem appropriate to their lifestyle, so their voices are very small in today's world.

Then I read about all the stereotypes.....lumping conservatives all together as Trumpsters.....idiot rednecks......so just like these folks may be out of touch with blue city dwelling folks, I think the blue cities are REALLY out of touch with these folks.

 
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Manster said:
Yea I think we all get defensive in one way or another.  I think for me, it's the fact that I know a lot of really intelligent, good people, who are conservative.  I know a lot of Christians who would gladly give anyone the shirt off their back......truly folks who to try to be Christ-like.  I feel like these are some of the people who are not being represented.  Many of them don't engage in arguing or debating on social media because it's just not a priority, or it doesn't seem appropriate to their lifestyle, so their voices are very small in today's world.

Then I read about all the stereotypes.....losing them all together as Trumpsters.....idiot rednecks......so just like these folks may be out of touch with blue city feeling folks, I think the blue cities are REALLY out of touch with these folks.
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Sure, and I can see and understand your POV.  I know a lot of the same type of people, I also know a lot of people with the same “moral base” as the ones you mention who are on the left.  This world is full of good people of all types doing good every day.  That’s why boxing people in with large groups is so dangerous.  

The interesting thing about your post to me is the POV angle.  As a centrist I feel like the center is being vastly under represented and heard.  Extremist on both ends have been hijacking the conversations and public attention for a long time now.  The middle is getting pulled a part like soft bread and everyone is being lumped into one side or the other (to @Joe Bryant’s point).  But of course I feel that way, it’s my POV, it’s what’s in my field of vision. 

 
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dkp993 said:
As a centrist I feel like the center is being vastly under represented and heard.  Extremist on both ends have been hijacking the conversations and public attention for a long time now.  The middle is getting pulled a part like soft bread and everyone is being lumped into one side or the other (to @Joe Bryant’s point).  But of course I feel that way, it’s my POV, it’s what’s in my field of vision. 
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:hifive:  GB.

It may be folly, but I feel like people like us talking about it more is a good thing. 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
1) It's hard for me to think of any single data point more meaningful than political party in determining what someone's values and beliefs are.  
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In our current environment I’d look much more favorably on someone for saying they are Independent than aligning with either party - especially the current iteration of the GOP.

 
Joe Bryant said:
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
2) Are you just referring to Democrat v. Republican?  Would you feel the same way if someone was criticized for being part of the Communist Party or the American Freedom Party?  
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For starters, I'd prefer we as US society not use someone identifying as a Democrat or a Republican as a reason to insult them
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Well, that's why I asked the question about non-major parties.  I personally view someone that is a supporter of the current Republican party more negatively than I view someone that is a member of the Communist party.  If you would be inclined to criticize someone for being a Communist Party member, then I would be equally inclined to criticize someone for being a Republican.  So I'm trying to establish whether it's ever OK in your mind to use association with a party as an insult, or if you're restricting it to just Democrats and Republicans.

This sort of reminds me of a discussion I had at a party many years ago, in which people who viewed it as intolerant to be critical of Catholicism or Judiasm or Islam nonetheless had no issue making fun of Scientologists.  As soon as you say it's OK to be insulting and mocking of any religion, even a fringe one, then your religion should be equally open to insults and mockery by others.

 
I just don't know.   My brother in law basically tells me his political party is "anti republican" he says he hates them.  He isn't very far left, and he leans right on many things, but that's his stance.

His water heater quit on him about 2 weeks ago.  He called his father who used a local installer to replace his(the box stores charge insane prices to install water heaters..its a scam).   

Anyway, my BIL found out the the man had a Trump sign in his yard and he said nope--he refused to do business with him.  And paid $500 more to go through Home Depot.

Now to me, that just seems crazy.  Absolutely crazy.   

You have posters here who have come out and said they have no republican friends, and are very happy this is the case.   I don't see that getting better anytime soon.

 
Joe Bryant said:
I'm not talking about anyone here. 

I'm talking about society. 
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Ok, I understand. I also feel that these boards are somewhat of a microcosm of society as a whole. My time spent out in society has been severely limited due to Covid for 18 months now so besides my immediate household almost all of my interactions have been right here, thus my examples.

I agree its prevalent out and about in society too. It was prior to Covid and I doubt its changed much. It's sad.

 
Honestly it's not all that complicated.

Adult, well intentioned person:  I don't agree with republicans, at least on most positions, and in particular I don't agree with this position you are advocating to build a wall to stop illegal immigration.

Child, bad faith person:  Your republican is showing.  Your Latinx racism is showing.  Etc

Folks tend to be unnecessarily obtuse about when you are being an ####### (or maybe many people are that clueless)  

 
Manster said:
And let's be honest, the left hates our Judeo/Christian roots.......sorry, but as long as you accept everyone else's beliefs, but continue to belittle Christians, you are going to have tremendous push back......in many ways, this is why we got Trump.
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I’ve tried to get my head around it, but I’ll never fully understand why the response of practicing Christians being belittled was to throw their support behind a Presidential candidate that is the farthest thing from a practicing Christian compared to any President in my lifetime. 

 
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bigbottom said:
I’ve tried to get my head around it, but I’ll it’s never fully understand why the response of practicing Christians being belittled was to throw their support behind a Presidential candidate that is the farthest thing from a practicing Christian compared to any President in my lifetime. 
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Similarly, I’ll never fully understand why the rural voter who felt marginalized by big city types threw their support behind a Presidential candidate that is the farthest thing imaginable from rural working folk. 

 
Manster said:
Yea I think we all get defensive in one way or another.  I think for me, it's the fact that I know a lot of really intelligent, good people, who are conservative.  I know a lot of Christians who would gladly give anyone the shirt off their back......truly folks who to try to be Christ-like.  I feel like these are some of the people who are not being represented.  Many of them don't engage in arguing or debating on social media because it's just not a priority, or it doesn't seem appropriate to their lifestyle, so their voices are very small in today's world.

Then I read about all the stereotypes.....lumping conservatives all together as Trumpsters.....idiot rednecks......so just like these folks may be out of touch with blue city dwelling folks, I think the blue cities are REALLY out of touch with these folks.
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Well yeah....this is a double edged sword.  Those folks in the city are as out of touch with rural America as rural America is out of touch with folks in the city.  For every concern you raise in the bold there is a group labeled commie pinko, morons and socialist loving scum on the other side going "duh, I get it".  In my view, it's always wise to focus on the topics.  Argue the merits of the topic at hand.  The individuals aren't that important.  

 
The Commish said:
Well yeah....this is a double edged sword.  Those folks in the city are as out of touch with rural America as rural America is out of touch with folks in the city.  For every concern you raise in the bold there is a group labeled commie pinko, morons and socialist loving scum on the other side going "duh, I get it".  In my view, it's always wise to focus on the topics.  Argue the merits of the topic at hand.  The individuals aren't that important.  
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The difference is the left controls the media for the most part.  

 
Everyone should look into the mirror and stop insulting each other.  Heck the athlete Gwen Berry who opposes racism publicly then was disovered have racist tweets and rants about Mexican, Asian and whites.  Live life, enjoy life.

 
Joe Bryant said:
For starters, I'd prefer we as US society not use someone identifying as a Democrat or a Republican as a reason to insult them like the guy did with 

fatguyinalittlecoat said:
1) It's hard for me to think of any single data point more meaningful than political party in determining what someone's values and beliefs are.  

2) Are you just referring to Democrat v. Republican?  Would you feel the same way if someone was criticized for being part of the Communist Party or the American Freedom Party?  
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I certainly agree JB, but I also think @fatguyinalittlecoat brings up an interesting point.  There are definitely people in each party who feel that the values of the other party are something truly immoral and evil and go well beyond a mere difference of opinion.  Similarly there was a time where I'm sure communists and nazi's were walking around and people were saying that it was nothing more than a different opinion.  

I think abortion is a huge issue on how this can play out.  There are plenty of Republicans, especially heavily religious ones, for whom it goes well beyond a simple difference in opinion.  They see it as literal child murder and hence anyone voting in favor of someone that supports it is condoning baby murdering.  Obviously if you were at a point where you truly believed it equated to baby murdering, then finding out someone condones baby murder is going to change your opinion of them a lot more than "oh well they think differently than me on that issue I guess we'll agree to disagree".

I think some democrats feel the same way on gun control, that people/a party turning their backs on even discussing/researching gun control in the wake of major school shootings is truly an evil act, and that hence anyone that supports it is truly evil.

The same can be said of welfare ("you're literally stealing from me" vs. "you're literally letting people die"), religion ("forcing me to obey laws based on a religious text is evil" vs. "our nation is founded on Christian Principles and not following my holy book is a slight against God and represents evil"), etc.

Obviously these people lie at the more extreme ends of each party but there are plenty of them out there, and all it takes is someone being on the extreme end of one issue to see the party on the other side of that issue as truly evil.  

If someone thinks it's okay to own slaves that is very much going to change your opinion of someone to an extreme yet a few hundred years ago if we were having this same conversation we would be saying hey now, just because Southern Democrats have different political beliefs than you it doesn't make them bad people.

I'm not saying any of today's issues are similar to that but there are certainly people out there that believe some of them are and view a political party that condones abortion as every bit as evil as one that condones slavery.  Even as someone that is heavily pro-choice I can understand how some people feel that way.

 
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we live in a very polarized society and if you don't agree with a point of view, you're ostracized, disowned, defriended .... a "friend" on facebook posted recently something to the fact that its ok to be this, that and the other and if don't agree, then you have no place in their life and will be defriended

in other words, be who they want you to be or else and they'll socially bully you to make you conform

bizarre - lobbying for accepting everyone and if you won't, then you're not going to be accepted

those lines fall along conservative/liberal , Democrat and Republican and there is no middle ground anymore 

 
FreeBaGeL said:
I certainly agree JB, but I also think @fatguyinalittlecoat brings up an interesting point.  There are definitely people in each party who feel that the values of the other party are something truly immoral and evil and go well beyond a mere difference of opinion.  Similarly there was a time where I'm sure communists and nazi's were walking around and people were saying that it was nothing more than a different opinion.  

I think abortion is a huge issue on how this can play out.  There are plenty of Republicans, especially heavily religious ones, for whom it goes well beyond a simple difference in opinion.  They see it as literal child murder and hence anyone voting in favor of someone that supports it is condoning baby murdering.  Obviously if you were at a point where you truly believed it equated to baby murdering, then finding out someone condones baby murder is going to change your opinion of them a lot more than "oh well they think differently than me on that issue I guess we'll agree to disagree".

I think some democrats feel the same way on gun control, that people/a party turning their backs on even discussing/researching gun control in the wake of major school shootings is truly an evil act, and that hence anyone that supports it is truly evil.

The same can be said of welfare ("you're literally stealing from me" vs. "you're literally letting people die"), religion ("forcing me to obey laws based on a religious text is evil" vs. "our nation is founded on Christian Principles and not following my holy book is a slight against God and represents evil"), etc.

Obviously these people lie at the more extreme ends of each party but there are plenty of them out there, and all it takes is someone being on the extreme end of one issue to see the party on the other side of that issue as truly evil.  

If someone thinks it's okay to own slaves that is very much going to change your opinion of someone to an extreme yet a few hundred years ago if we were having this same conversation we would be saying hey now, just because Southern Democrats have different political beliefs than you it doesn't make them bad people.

I'm not saying any of today's issues are similar to that but there are certainly people out there that believe some of them are and view a political party that condones abortion as every bit as evil as one that condones slavery.  Even as someone that is heavily pro-choice I can understand how some people feel that way.
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Thanks @FreeBaGeL I think you're right there. It does seem like it's shifted from "We have a different opinion" to "The other side is evil". 

I guess that could be true. For the most part though, I don't think it is. And I default to assuming the best of the other side. That may be naive, but it seems to work for me. 

 
Summer Wheat said:
Everyone should look into the mirror and stop insulting each other.  Heck the athlete Gwen Berry who opposes racism publicly then was disovered have racist tweets and rants about Mexican, Asian and whites.  Live life, enjoy life.
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This is not a hard and fast rule, but I have found that the more racism a person feels they have experienced, the more racist they behave.

 
Manster said:
We like to classify things.  We make a lot of assumptions based on political party, or leaning.

I think the two things that stand out most to me are.....

1) I'ts been interesting, and educating for me, in here, to see some of the different POV's of more center/left folks.  

2) The biggest reason we have such a divide in this country, imo, is the snarky, passive aggressive, or flat out dismissal, of conservatives, by the left....I mostly blame the media, as I do see a very left leaning agenda with the majority of it.......I also place some of the current blame on people who can't say one damn critical thing about "their guy"......trumpsters I'm looking at you......but I know plenty of lefties who do the same damn thing with Obama or even Hillary.

All I know is, the current path is going to lead nowhere good.  The narrative that white people need to feel guilt, and we need to keep re-hashing our past, isn't going to work.....

And let's be honest, the left hates our Judeo/Christian roots.......sorry, but as long as you accept everyone else's beliefs, but continue to belittle Christians, you are going to have tremendous push back......in many ways, this is why we got Trump.
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Really why I don't feel a true Republican party exists anymore. Not only has the party shifted to the right ( no room for moderates) but there is no tolerance for criticism of Trump even after what occurred Jan 6. Liz Cheney is a hard core conservative but was kicked out of her position within the GOP for  her oath to the constitution and her refusal to adore Trump. That makes them a party without principal so why would you want to remain a part of that?

 
supermike80 said:
I just don't know.   My brother in law basically tells me his political party is "anti republican" he says he hates them.  He isn't very far left, and he leans right on many things, but that's his stance.

His water heater quit on him about 2 weeks ago.  He called his father who used a local installer to replace his(the box stores charge insane prices to install water heaters..its a scam).   

Anyway, my BIL found out the the man had a Trump sign in his yard and he said nope--he refused to do business with him.  And paid $500 more to go through Home Depot.

Now to me, that just seems crazy.  Absolutely crazy.   

You have posters here who have come out and said they have no republican friends, and are very happy this is the case.   I don't see that getting better anytime soon.
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Hopefully your examples are just the extreme end of that party. 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
1) It's hard for me to think of any single data point more meaningful than political party in determining what someone's values and beliefs are.  
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I tend to agree with you, but how accurate is this?  There are assumptions thrown at me and others in here that by virtue of being on "the left" that I hate democracy, hate the flag, hate this country, hate police, hate the military, hate our veterans, and that I'm a Marxist, communist, socialist, and the list goes on.  None of it is true, but I have no doubt in my mind that the people saying this stuff believe it.... and I'm sure the same thing gets thrown at Republicans.

 
Manster said:
And let's be honest, the left hates our Judeo/Christian roots.......sorry, but as long as you accept everyone else's beliefs, but continue to belittle Christians, you are going to have tremendous push back......in many ways, this is why we got Trump.
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Isn't this the thing we're trying to get better about?

 
lazyike said:
Really why I don't feel a true Republican party exists anymore. Not only has the party shifted to the right ( no room for moderates) but there is no tolerance for criticism of Trump even after what occurred Jan 6. Liz Cheney is a hard core conservative but was kicked out of her position within the GOP for  her oath to the constitution and her refusal to adore Trump. That makes them a party without principal so why would you want to remain a part of that?
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See?   Boom.  there you go.  Judged immediately only for your party affiliation.

I have to disagree with the OP slightly, I believe this kind of thinking is way more prevalent here than he thinks.  

 
Dickies said:
I tend to agree with you, but how accurate is this?
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I think its fairly accurate - at least as a starting point.  If you tell me you are "republican" or "conservative" I can pretty quickly discern differences of opinion, and can then decide from there are much that divide would challenge the relationship, or whether there is common ground.

I think its interesting that people view political affiliation as an insult.  I think it speaks more about how concerned you are about how others perceive your political affiliation.  I would guess most conservatives here would not be offended if I called them "Republicans".  And, as noted above - I am not offended if anyone calls me any of the pet nicknames they have for Democrats.  I am comfortable enough in my own skin to not get worked up over that.

 
lazyike said:
Really why I don't feel a true Republican party exists anymore. Not only has the party shifted to the right ( no room for moderates) but there is no tolerance for criticism of Trump even after what occurred Jan 6. Liz Cheney is a hard core conservative but was kicked out of her position within the GOP for  her oath to the constitution and her refusal to adore Trump. That makes them a party without principal so why would you want to remain a part of that?
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fwiw, I'm independent, and lean Libertarian.  I don't agree with every stance, but following the constitution, smaller gub, personal liberty.....yes please!

My hope is that out of all this mess, we can get to a point where we see that our founding fathers were on to something even if they didn't live it.

 
djmich said:
Honestly it's not all that complicated.

Adult, well intentioned person:  I don't agree with republicans, at least on most positions, and in particular I don't agree with this position you are advocating to build a wall to stop illegal immigration.

Child, bad faith person:  Your republican is showing.  Your Latinx racism is showing.  Etc

Folks tend to be unnecessarily obtuse about when you are being an ####### (or maybe many people are that clueless)  
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...and #2 is a lot easier and quicker to fire off on our phones while here, on SM, etc.. 

 
Ruffrodys05 said:
Ok, I understand. I also feel that these boards are somewhat of a microcosm of society as a whole.
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Thanks. That I don't agree with though. It's not necessarily a bad thing because they are what they are, but I don't think this forum is remotely representative of US society. Again, it's ok. But I think it's significant to accept how niche this forum is. 

 
Manster said:
The difference is the left controls the media for the most part.  
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In my view, if our media is any part of your equation, you're doing it wrong :shrug:  

Not to mention the media has nothing to do with what I posted.

 
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