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Black National Anthem is Here to Stay (1 Viewer)

Well, yeah.  We had one national anthem that applied to all people.  Blacks started their own national anthem.  So apparently that applies to them now.  Do they get two national anthems and whites only get one?  That doesn’t sound fair.
Can’t imagine why they felt they needed a separate but equal anthem. :mellow:

 
We had one national anthem that applied to all people.
No we didn’t. We had a song written about a battle in the War of 1812. It called the country the land of the free when most black people here were still slaves. It doesn’t really have anything to do with their experience or why they might love America. Personally I don’t connect to the Star-Spangled Banner either. The idea that everyone has to love the same song is silly.

I could do without any patriotic songs before the game, but two doesn’t really bother me more than one.

 
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Serious question....

So if you denounce the national anthem and get your own, how do you then feel about those who still like the original? 

 
Unless I misread the article, I don’t think it states that the other anthem will be played before each game going forward, just that it will be featured prominently.  It was featured last season as well. 
Yes, so this thread appears to be a year late.

 
its NOT a national anthem

its a race anthem/song for black people - its not national in any way, shape or form and the NFL is being racist / discriminatory in doing this
It’s a hymnal that was written back in the early 1900’s

I know for a fact that it’s been in Baptist and Methodist hymnal books for all of my life

I suspect that is found in hymnal books for other branches of Christianity as well

 
It’s a hymnal that was written back in the early 1900’s

I know for a fact that it’s been in Baptist and Methodist hymnal books for all of my life

I suspect that is found in hymnal books for other branches of Christianity as well
And yet it's still racist to call it the black anthem

 
And yet it's still racist to call it the black anthem
if the white groups called "God Save the South" White National Anthem  - would you call that racist ?

be fair, be consistent, be honest

when we separate out people based on skin color - THAT is racism ... always has been and always will be

 
its NOT a national anthem

its a race anthem/song for black people - its not national in any way, shape or form and the NFL is being racist / discriminatory in doing this
Except “Lift Every Voice and Sing” is not exclusionary like “The Star Spangled Banner” was when it was written. The land of the free wasn’t.

 
Hispanics make up 18% of the US population.

Preparing myself for 3 national anthems.

I'm taking the over

I think California has driver's license exams in 31 languages

 
Except “Lift Every Voice and Sing” is not exclusionary like “The Star Spangled Banner” was when it was written. The land of the free wasn’t.
Except the Star Spangled Banner is not exclusionary.  The people back then may have been, but the National Anthem certainly is not.

imo, this only continues to create more division.  It doesn't feel like a "bring folks together" kind of thing.  Much of America wants to build on what we already have, not tear it down, or create something completely different.  But that feels like the direction we are headed......someone above said something about retaliation or something along those lines....and it makes sense..you are never going to reach a good portion of the country with the current vibe, rhetoric, whatever you wanna call it.

Again, my thoughts on this, not regurgitating conservative talk show speaking points....a good portion of our country values patriotism, and also understands our history....to reach these people, you simply have to believe in America.  I truly don't think the majority of Americans want to "see" color anymore.  The aggressive nature of what's going on is only going to make people defensive......you are talking about proud, hard working folks, for the most part.....anecdotally, over the last several years, I can recall countless jabs at middle America as just fly over country with racist white people, direct, and indirect......people lumping conservatives as Trumpsters without a thought as to what they truly feel about issues......it's insulting.

Honestly, it's embarrassing to be an American.  We allow the fringe, and the media to troll us into fighting with each other.....welcome the world of instantaneous information and click bait!

 
Only if you live in a vacuum.  That was the reality of the time.  What the US did to advance freedom, democracy, and individual rights is unparalleled.  We created the foundation for what every free nation in the world benefits from.  
No, living in a vacuum is refusing to acknowledge the ####ty stuff we did just because we did good too.  Actually that would be more living in denial than living in a vacuum.  Doing good and doing bad aren't mutually exclusive.  Just because something was "the reality of the time" doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that is was horrible in retrospect.  It's okay to admit we did some terrible stuff.  In fact it's a good thing.  It's how we grow and not repeat the terrible stuff. 

 
its NOT a national anthem

its a race anthem/song for black people - its not national in any way, shape or form and the NFL is being racist / discriminatory in doing this
It is a song about nothing specific.  There is really nothing to identify any country or race.  The song does imply some faith in God,  It implies our past was dark and full of slaughtered people, so I suppose we are suppose to be embarrassed by our country.  Not even sure what this native land is they are suppose to be true to.  The song hints at a few things, but seems to be afraid to come out and say it.  

 
No, living in a vacuum is refusing to acknowledge the ####ty stuff we did just because we did good too.  Actually that would be more living in denial than living in a vacuum.  Doing good and doing bad aren't mutually exclusive.  Just because something was "the reality of the time" doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that is was horrible in retrospect.  It's okay to admit we did some terrible stuff.  In fact it's a good thing.  It's how we grow and not repeat the terrible stuff. 
Nobody is denying our history.  But when you sing songs about your country, you don't focus on the bad.  You focus on the uplifting, the bravery, things that bring pride and joy.  This concept that we are need to focus on these negative aspects seems more in line  with how our haters think.  The last 245 years have been a journey, and America has lead this world and people of all types to a better place.  Our starting point was far from perfect, but that was not uniquely America.  What is uniquely America, is where we headed.

 
Only if you live in a vacuum.  That was the reality of the time.  What the US did to advance freedom, democracy, and individual rights is unparalleled.  We created the foundation for what every free nation in the world benefits from.  
Stop talking sense.  Don’t you understand that modern moral relativism is to compare our nation’s past to the idealistic standards of today rather than the standards of all countries at the time?

These people have no interest in a fair and honest assessment of our past (including the sacrifices we made to right past wrongs).  They’re just using the past as an excuse to wipe the slate clean and start over in their Socialist vision.

 
Nobody is denying our history.  But when you sing songs about your country, you don't focus on the bad.  You focus on the uplifting, the bravery, things that bring pride and joy.  This concept that we are need to focus on these negative aspects seems more in line  with how our haters think.  The last 245 years have been a journey, and America has lead this world and people of all types to a better place.  Our starting point was far from perfect, but that was not uniquely America.  What is uniquely America, is where we headed.
Well and good, but the statement was simply "Some of our country's history was pretty hateful." to which you replied "Only if you live in a vacuum."  That's just a silly statement.  MUCH or our country's history was pretty hateful, and not just to blacks.  We pretty much committed genocide on Native Americans.  

 
I for one think adding a bunch of references to ####ty things America has done to the white national anthem is a good idea.  Maybe then we can agree it represents us all, the whole thing would be very uplifting.

 
Stop talking sense.  Don’t you understand that modern moral relativism is to compare our nation’s past to the idealistic standards of today rather than the standards of all countries at the time?

These people have no interest in a fair and honest assessment of our past (including the sacrifices we made to right past wrongs).  They’re just using the past as an excuse to wipe the slate clean and start over in their Socialist vision.
Lol.  It always comes down to Socialism.  

 
No, living in a vacuum is refusing to acknowledge the ####ty stuff we did just because we did good too.  Actually that would be more living in denial than living in a vacuum.  Doing good and doing bad aren't mutually exclusive.  Just because something was "the reality of the time" doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that is was horrible in retrospect.  It's okay to admit we did some terrible stuff.  In fact it's a good thing.  It's how we grow and not repeat the terrible stuff. 
This is the biggest nonsense.  “Refusing to acknowledge” our past?  That’s the biggest crock of bull.  That’s all we do in this country.  We are hyper obsessed with our past.  It has monopolized the news my entire life.  We have white people literally kneeling to black people.  Denial my ###. 😆

 
Well and good, but the statement was simply "Some of our country's history was pretty hateful." to which you replied "Only if you live in a vacuum."  That's just a silly statement.  MUCH or our country's history was pretty hateful, and not just to blacks.  We pretty much committed genocide on Native Americans.  
No it is not.  It was not the US who invented slavery.  It was not the US who invented fighting wars against people who were different.  That was the world.  Virtually every country had slaves or some form of slave labor  There was never peace.  Wars over boundaries and new territories were constant.  That was just the world in the 1700's and well into the 1800's.  It is ignorant to view the US as being evil for doing what was the common practice of the day. That was just reality of existing during that period.  The so-called genocide would of happened even if we were friendly towards the native Americans, as it was more disease related than us slaughtering them.  

 
Personally I don't think either song should be played before a sporting event but it doesn't matter to me if they sing this one too.

People get their panties in a bunch over the littlest things nowadays.  
I’m not so sure this is a little thing.  We have basically made official a second national anthem, based on race.  Just think about that for a moment, and what it portends for our future.

 
Personally I don't think either song should be played before a sporting event but it doesn't matter to me if they sing this one too.

People get their panties in a bunch over the littlest things nowadays.  
Yup. If you're at home watching the game, does anyone actually stop what they're doing during the anthem and stare at the tv screen? Or do you go about your business making sure your beer's cold?

Or if you're at the game, does anyone else not just stand there hoping the singer doesn't hold that last note for an impossible amount of time because all you want to do is sit down and get situated before kickoff?

 
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I’m not so sure this is a little thing.  We have basically made official a second national anthem, based on race.  Just think about that for a moment, and what it portends for our future.
I don't think anything at this point has been made "official" - talk about much ado about nothing. 

 
No it is not.  It was not the US who invented slavery.  It was not the US who invented fighting wars against people who were different.  That was the world.  Virtually every country had slaves or some form of slave labor  There was never peace.  Wars over boundaries and new territories were constant.  That was just the world in the 1700's and well into the 1800's.  It is ignorant to view the US as being evil for doing what was the common practice of the day. That was just reality of existing during that period.  The so-called genocide would of happened even if we were friendly towards the native Americans, as it was more disease related than us slaughtering them.  
Just because something is common practice, doesn't make it right.  Lucky for us, enough people eventually recognized this about slavery in our country and were even willing to fight a war to end it.  And of course we were still 30 some odd years behind places like the British Empire on that front, even though we were the ones pushing that "All men are created equal..." mumbo jumbo.  

 
I’m not so sure this is a little thing.  We have basically made official a second national anthem, based on race.  Just think about that for a moment, and what it portends for our future.
It is not a second official anthem of the United States and never will be.   People are just overreacting because the NFL is going to play it before their games this season (even though they played it last year)

The MLB plays "America the Beautiful" in every game for years and it hasn't replaced the National Anthem.   

It is just a song,  the country will be fine.

 
I’m not so sure this is a little thing.  We have basically made official a second national anthem, based on race.  Just think about that for a moment, and what it portends for our future.
So what, you don't think a private, for profit, institution like the NFL should be able to play whatever songs they want before their games?  This sounds kind of Socialist to me.   

 
What people should really take offense to is being pandered to at every turn.

It's pretty clear what the powers that be think of the hoi polloi. That the latter doesn't seem to mind is why we've ended up with bread and circuses throughout all recorded history, I guess.

 
Just because something is common practice, doesn't make it right.  Lucky for us, enough people eventually recognized this about slavery in our country and were even willing to fight a war to end it.  And of course we were still 30 some odd years behind places like the British Empire on that front, even though we were the ones pushing that "All men are created equal..." mumbo jumbo.  
I did not say it was right, just the reality of the day.  And yes we were behind British and some other places in abolishing slavery.  I am sorry you consider all men are created equal as mumbo jumbo.  

 
I did not say it was right, just the reality of the day.  And yes we were behind British and some other places in abolishing slavery.  I am sorry you consider all men are created equal as mumbo jumbo.  
And I'm sorry you can't recognize sarcasm.  :thumbup:

 
Lift Every Voice and Sing was written in 1900 for a celebration of Abraham Lincoln's birthday, and was dubbed "The negro national anthem" by the NAACP in 1919. It's certainly not official in any way.  Of course at that point The Star-Spangled Banner wasn't either, that happened in 1931.

It's a very positive song with a lot of history behind it. It's not like it was written yesterday just to piss off white people.

 
It is a song about nothing specific.  There is really nothing to identify any country or race.  The song does imply some faith in God,  It implies our past was dark and full of slaughtered people, so I suppose we are suppose to be embarrassed by our country.  Not even sure what this native land is they are suppose to be true to.  The song hints at a few things, but seems to be afraid to come out and say it.  
its not a national anthem 

if blacks have a national anthem, what nation is it an anthem to ? because the USA already HAS a national anthem

insisting a separate one based on skin color is racism, and that's whites wanting their own, browns, yellows, purples, green's, blacks, women, men, everywhere in between's .... 

one national anthem is for the nation - every other one stand for division doesn't it ? 

How about we just change the national anthem to Lift Every Voice and Sing? The Star Spangled Banner sucks anyway.
Lets change it to the South shall rise again ........... nothing racist about that right ?

 
its not a national anthem 

if blacks have a national anthem, what nation is it an anthem to ? because the USA already HAS a national anthem

insisting a separate one based on skin color is racism, and that's whites wanting their own, browns, yellows, purples, green's, blacks, women, men, everywhere in between's .... 

one national anthem is for the nation - every other one stand for division doesn't it ? 

Lets change it to the South shall rise again ........... nothing racist about that right ?


I'm not familiar with that song. But sounds racist.

Also -  do you think Lift Every Voice and Sing is a racist song?

 
Lift Every Voice and Sing was written in 1900 for a celebration of Abraham Lincoln's birthday, and was dubbed "The negro national anthem" by the NAACP in 1919. It's certainly not official in any way.  Of course at that point The Star-Spangled Banner wasn't either, that happened in 1931.

It's a very positive song with a lot of history behind it. It's not like it was written yesterday just to piss off white people.
It's not like it was written yesterday just to piss off white people.
From the tone of some of the posts here, one might think that. 

 

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