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On 1/22/2021 at 8:25 PM, Ilov80s said:

Sure but look at the glaring need at OL and what just happened to their franchise QB. 

I agree addressing the offensive line is their biggest need.

The Bengals are not a team I expect to do what makes sense though.

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On 1/22/2021 at 7:41 AM, Buckna said:

I don’t see much evidence of that at all in their draft history. The only time that appears to apply is when they wasted the 9th pick on John Ross after drafting Boyd the year before. At least then AJG had had his 1st major injury getting IR’d after week 10 that season. Ouch in hindsight too, Patrick Mahomes, Marshon Lattimore, and Deshaun Watson were the next 3 picks.

 

I think a better argument would be that Boyd’s contract is easily cuttable after 2021 and while he’s been solid Chase could be elite. Bengals could look to say the Cowboys as an example who spent a 1st on Lamb last year despite having Cooper and Gallup. I think they would be better served protecting Burrow and upgrading their line but giving Burrow weapons is a good option too especially if Sewell isn’t there.

Based on prior draft history I would think Pitts would be their target. Bengals have long spent high picks on pass catching TE’s looking for a good one. Unfortunately Gresham was a bust, Eifert looked like a longtime stud but had career altering injuries that derailed him, maybe they are still high on Sample but Pitts seems like a massive and instant upgrade from him.

I was gong from memory and I am talking about 1st and 2nd round picks.

Here are those since the year 2000

1	2020	1	1	Joe Burrow	QB	23	2020	2020	0	0	1	7	10	10	LSU	College Stats
2	2020	2	33	Tee Higgins	WR	21	2020	2020	0	0	1	6	16	14	Clemson	College Stats
3	2019	1	11	Jonah Williams	G	21	2020	2020	0	0	1	4	10	10	Alabama	College Stats
4	2019	2	52	Drew Sample	TE	23	2019	2020	0	0	1	2	25	15	Washington	College Stats
5	2018	1	21	Billy Price	C	23	2018	2020	0	0	1	10	42	19	Ohio St.	College Stats
6	2018	2	54	Jessie Bates III	S	21	2018	2020	0	0	3	20	48	48	Wake Forest	College Stats
7	2017	1	9	John Ross	WR	21	2017	2020	0	0	1	5	27	20	Washington	College Stats
8	2017	2	48	Joe Mixon	RB	21	2017	2020	0	0	2	27	50	41	Oklahoma	College Stats
9	2016	1	24	William Jackson III	CB	23	2017	2020	0	0	3	15	59	48	Houston	College Stats
10	2016	2	55	Tyler Boyd	WR	21	2016	2020	0	0	2	27	71	40	Pittsburgh	College Stats
11	2015	1	21	Cedric Ogbuehi	T	23	2015	2020	0	0	2	15	57	29	Texas A&M	College Stats
12	2015	2	53	Jake Fisher	T	22	2015	2018	0	0	0	8	48	12	Oregon	College Stats
13	2014	1	24	Darqueze Dennard	DB	22	2014	2020	0	0	0	13	85	30	Michigan St.	College Stats
14	2014	2	55	Jeremy Hill	RB	21	2014	2018	0	0	3	21	55	43	LSU	College Stats
15	2013	1	21	Tyler Eifert	TE	22	2013	2020	0	1	2	18	74	41	Notre Dame	College Stats
16	2013	2	37	Giovani Bernard	RB	21	2013	2020	0	0	2	40	115	30	North Carolina	College Stats
17	2013	2	53	Margus Hunt	DE	26	2013	2020	0	0	1	17	104	26	SMU	College Stats
18	2012	1	17	Dre Kirkpatrick	DB	22	2012	2020	0	0	5	31	113	78	Alabama	College Stats
19	2012	1	27	Kevin Zeitler	G	22	2012	2020	0	0	9	47	135	134	Wisconsin	College Stats
20	2012	2	53	Devon Still	DT	23	2012	2016	0	0	0	3	33	0	Penn St.	College Stats
21	2011	1	4	A.J. Green	WR	23	2011	2020	0	7	9	70	127	125	Georgia	College Stats
22	2011	2	35	Andy Dalton	QB	23	2011	2020	0	3	9	84	144	142	TCU	College Stats
23	2010	1	21	Jermaine Gresham	TE	22	2010	2018	0	2	9	28	132	118	Oklahoma	College Stats
24	2010	2	54	Carlos Dunlap	DE	21	2010	2020	0	2	7	63	163	121	Florida	College Stats
25	2009	1	6	Andre Smith	T	22	2009	2019	0	0	8	43	116	98	Alabama	College Stats
26	2009	2	38	Rey Maualuga	LB	22	2009	2017	0	0	9	47	120	108	USC	College Stats
27	2008	1	9	Keith Rivers	LB	22	2008	2014	0	0	4	24	74	50	USC	College Stats
28	2008	2	46	Jerome Simpson	WR	22	2008	2015	0	0	3	17	63	37	Coastal Carolina	
29	2007	1	18	Leon Hall	DB	22	2007	2018	0	0	6	50	152	112	Michigan	College Stats
30	2007	2	49	Kenny Irons	RB				0	0	0				Auburn	College Stats
Rk	Year	Rnd	Pick	Player	Pos	DrAge	From	To	AP1	PB	St	CarAV	G	GS	College/Univ	
31	2006	1	24	Johnathan Joseph	DB	22	2006	2020	0	2	14	67	211	192	South Carolina	
32	2006	2	55	Andrew Whitworth	T	24	2006	2020	2	4	14	102	224	220	LSU	
33	2005	1	17	David Pollack	LB	23	2005	2006	0	0	0	3	16	6	Georgia	College Stats
34	2005	2	48	Odell Thurman	LB	22	2005	2005	0	0	1	8	16	15	Georgia	College Stats
35	2004	1	26	Chris Perry	RB	22	2004	2008	0	0	0	9	35	9	Michigan	College Stats
36	2004	2	49	Keiwan Ratliff	DB	23	2004	2010	0	0	0	9	76	12	Florida	College Stats
37	2004	2	56	Madieu Williams	DB	22	2004	2012	0	0	7	34	119	102	Maryland	College Stats
38	2003	1	1	Carson Palmer	QB	23	2004	2017	0	3	12	108	182	181	USC	College Stats
39	2003	2	33	Eric Steinbach	G	23	2003	2010	0	0	8	44	125	124	Iowa	College Stats
40	2002	1	10	Levi Jones	T	23	2002	2009	0	0	7	47	103	97	Arizona St.	
41	2002	2	41	Lamont Thompson	DB	24	2002	2007	0	0	3	17	83	45	Washington St.	College Stats
42	2001	1	4	Justin Smith	DE	21	2001	2014	1	5	14	99	221	217	Missouri	
43	2001	2	36	Chad Johnson	WR	23	2001	2011	2	6	9	87	166	135	Oregon St.	College Stats
44	2000	1	4	Peter Warrick	WR	23	2000	2005	0	0	4	28	79	60	Florida St.	College Stats
45	2000	2	34	Mark Roman	DB	

29 of the 45 picks were used on offensive players  64% of them.

There are plenty of high picks on offensive linemen though and that does make the most sense to me.

eta - I would need to check on this but I think the Bengals have used more high picks on skill offensive players than most teams have.

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On 1/19/2021 at 4:57 PM, Andy Dufresne said:

With Boyd and Higgins, why would the Bengals want/need a WR that high?

Because that is literally all they have.  Personally hoping people go QB-crazy and it ends up Sewell.

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Just now, QuizGuy66 said:

Because that is literally all they have.  Personally hoping people go QB-crazy and it ends up Sewell.

-QG

See, I don't think Sewell makes sense either. He's obviously better that Williams, but enough to justify picking him over another spot that would improve the team? I suppose I buy it if they think Williams can play the right side. What they should really do is drop down a few spots and take Rayshawn Slater from NWestern. Or even further and look at Davis from OSU or Vera-Tucker from USC. Then take a center in round two.

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Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2021 NFL Draft prospect rankings 1.0

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2) Ja'Marr Chase, WR

School: LSU | Year: Junior

Chase is a dominant player on tape. He lined up both outside and in the slot at LSU. He defeats press coverage with a combination of foot quickness and upper-body strength. He creates separation off the line of scrimmage and he can also find another gear when the ball is in the air. He is a clean route runner. He won't gear down in traffic and has very strong hands to pluck and play through contact. He attacks 50/50 balls and consistently wins. Chase is at his best after the catch. He routinely breaks tackles and can make defenders miss, too. He did have a couple drops when the ball was on his back hip but I have no concerns about his hands. Overall, I love Chase's attacking style of play and see him as a faster version of three-time Pro Bowl selectee Anquan Boldin.

 

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On 1/24/2021 at 1:12 PM, QuizGuy66 said:

Because that is literally all they have.  Personally hoping people go QB-crazy and it ends up Sewell.

-QG

What's better than 2 great receivers? 3 great receivers.

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NFL.com draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah describes LSU WR Ja'Marr Chase as "a faster version" of former NFL wideout Anquan Boldin. 

Chase (6'0/208), who opted out of the 2020 season due to COVID-19 concerns, is ranked second on Jeremiah's list of the top-50 prospects in this draft class. "Chase is at his best after the catch. He routinely breaks tackles and can make defenders miss, too," Jeremiah wrote. "He did have a couple drops when the ball was on his back hip but I have no concerns about his hands. Overall, I love Chase's attacking style of play and see him as a faster version of three-time Pro Bowl selectee Anquan Boldin." Sitting out won't negatively impact the 2019 Biletnikoff Award winner's draft prospects, as Chase is expected by many to be the first wideout off of the board this spring. 

SOURCE: NFL.com

Feb 24, 2021, 5:47 PM ET

 

 

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Mike Tannenbaum @RealTannenbaum

Ja’Marr Chase — @Real10jayy__ — is my #1 WR in this class due to his pro-ready play style. He is able to adjust and fight through tight coverage, make the catch (with strong hands) and continue up field 

He is listed at about 6’0-6’1 but plays far larger

https://twitter.com/realtannenbaum/status/1366393115406434310?s=21
 

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Albert Breer @AlbertBreer

If you don't remember Ja'Marr Chase because he didn't play last year, consider this: Vikings WR Justin Jefferson was the only player to take OROY votes away from Justin Herbert this year, and Jefferson was a clear No. 2 to Chase on LSU's 2019 title team.

https://twitter.com/albertbreer/status/1366399698672766976?s=21

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I believe those picking at the #3 spot in ppr dynasty leagues have the hardest decision between Williams and Chase.  I suspect Harris and Etienne will go 1/2 and I can't say that I agree with Etienne going over either Chase or Williams, but that's the dynasty world we currently live in.

ETA:  Of course someone could really throw a curveball at 1.3 and take Pitts :)

 

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5 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I believe those picking at the #3 spot in ppr dynasty leagues have the hardest decision between Williams and Chase.  I suspect Harris and Etienne will go 1/2 and I can't say that I agree with Etienne going over either Chase or Williams, but that's the dynasty world we currently live in.

ETA:  Of course someone could really throw a curveball at 1.3 and take Pitts :)

 

Yeah it will be hard. I think Chase can really be the one biggest difference maker in this WR class. RB scarcity is such a big tiebreaker though. Especially when most owners are pretty strong at WR. I'm really kind of hoping that he goes 1.01 in some spots where I have either of the next 3 picks. Everyone needs RB though and Chase is likely to be there as you say. In many, many instances at least.

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NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah says drafting this receiver would be a home run for Lions

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If you ask Daniel Jeremiah, the former scout and current NFL Network draft analyst, the Lions couldn't go wrong with any of the top receiving options at that spot, but there's one who stands out above the rest. 

"To me, it would be Ja'Marr Chase, just because of everything he can do," Jeremiah said. "I think a lot of time when you're watching receivers, you see guys that can win with separation and quickness and you see guys that can win with physicality and kind of contested catches. When you watch him at LSU in 2019, you see examples of both, where he can separate from people off the line of scrimmage, he can separate the top of his route, he plays big to go up and get the football, and then after the catch, he gives you that strength and physicality to break tackles.

"He is, to me, the best receiver in the draft," Jeremiah said. "I can't imagine he would be there, but man, that would be a home run pick for the Lions if he was."

As part of Jeremiah's top-50 prospect rankings, posted on NFL.com last month, he had Chase as No. 2 overall, behind only Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence. 

"Overall, I love Chase's attacking style of play and see him as a faster version of three-time Pro Bowl selectee Anquan Boldin," Daniel wrote. 

Like many top prospects, Chase opted out of the 2020 season. In 2019, as part of LSU's national championship team, he was named the Biletnikoff Award winner as the country's best receiver, catching 84 passes for 1,780 yards and 20 touchdowns. 

 

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An unnamed coach told Bruce Feldman of The Athletic that LSU WR Ja'Marr Chase "will have to get better on press-releases" in order to excel at the next level. 

Chase (6'0/208) is considered by more than a few NFL types to be the best wide receiver in this draft class, even though he opted out of the 2020 season due to COVID-19 concerns. With that being the case, it's likely that the 2019 Biletnikoff Award winner will be off the board within the first five picks this spring. But there are still areas in which Chase will need to improve if he's to be a star in the NFL. "People don’t realize just how strong he is. His lower body’s built like a running back’s," the coach told Feldman. "He plays like a 4.4 guy, and he contorts his body to make a lot of difficult catches. I think from a technique standpoint, he can and will have to get better on press-releases as he faces stronger guys, and he’ll have to improve on his true route-running ability."

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Mar 10, 2021, 1:59 PM ET

 

 

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On 3/9/2021 at 8:56 AM, JohnnyU said:

I believe those picking at the #3 spot in ppr dynasty leagues have the hardest decision between Williams and Chase.  I suspect Harris and Etienne will go 1/2 and I can't say that I agree with Etienne going over either Chase or Williams, but that's the dynasty world we currently live in.

ETA:  Of course someone could really throw a curveball at 1.3 and take Pitts :)

 

I thought 1.2 was the choice between Williams and Chase

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8 hours ago, IHEARTFF said:

I thought 1.2 was the choice between Williams and Chase

Actually the consensus I've seen in mock drafts is 1) Harris, 2) Etienne or Chase, 3) Chase or Etienne, 4) Williams.   If Williams goes 1.2 I suspect I'll have my choice between Etienne or Chase.  In that scenario I would take either Chase or Pitts (1.5 ppr league for TEs) and pass on Etienne, even though I have a huge hole at RB.

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Chase ran a 4.38 on his first attempt.

41” vertical 

11’ broad jump

7.0  3 cone

23 reps of 225

3.98 20 yd shuttle 

 

Yeah, he’s nasty!

 

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3 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Well, I guess I'm back to taking him first overall.

Hard to argue with anything on his profile. He is as clean as they come. 

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Just now, JohnnyU said:

I didn't think he was 4.38 fast.  Home cooking?

I mean. Are we going to try and parse how his home cooking might be more or less tasty than the other prospects home cooking? I'm not. At some point you have to just point to the scoreboard and say the kid man is fast. 

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3 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

I mean. Are we going to try and parse how his home cooking might be more or less tasty than the other prospects home cooking? I'm not. At some point you have to just point to the scoreboard and say the kid man is fast. 

Of all the things I love about Chase long speed wasn't one of them.  I had him WR1 also.  You can't trust these times anymore than you can trust Josh Gordon growing your pot.

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