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Do Joe Biden and his supporters have responsibility for the American soldiers killed in the Afghan "evacuation?" (1 Viewer)
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Stealthycat
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as the Commander in Chief, if Biden wasn't responsible who else would be ?
HellToupee
Footballguy
Buck stops with him. He’s certainly not the stellar commander in chief Donald was .
Max Power
Footballguy
Biden Yes, Supporters No.
A lot of mistakes were made. I don't blame Biden supporters, the same way Trump supporters shouldn't be blamed for political decisions. I recognize that was a popular thing to do over the last several years, but it just pushes people further into their corners.
A lot of mistakes were made. I don't blame Biden supporters, the same way Trump supporters shouldn't be blamed for political decisions. I recognize that was a popular thing to do over the last several years, but it just pushes people further into their corners.
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kwille
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squistion
Footballguy
The OP would seem to indicate that the answer is probably yes. Apparently anyone who voted for Biden has blood on their hands (figuratively).
The General
Footballguy
What a great addition to this place this poll is.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
13 soldiers unfortunately died under Biden, 64 under Trump. Is Trump responsible for those 64? There's your answer.
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Max Power
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Let's be honest with the situation at least. Biden's decisions put those troops at risk. They were all sitting at home in America 2 weeks earlier.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Yes/No
Biden deserves some criticism.
George Bush deserves some criticism.
Barak Obama deserves some criticism.
Donald Trump deserves some criticism.
The decision to go, and stay, in Afghanistan always meant lives would be lost. These soldiers were simply the last to die in Afghanistan - in this war.
The decision to leave Afghanistan is in the long-term best interests of the country. It was, is, and will be, a messy separation - and it will impact many lives. Could this have been planned better? Probably. But, I don't know that better planning stops a suicide bomber. Its tragic, but it's a cost for going in the first place.
Biden deserves some criticism.
George Bush deserves some criticism.
Barak Obama deserves some criticism.
Donald Trump deserves some criticism.
The decision to go, and stay, in Afghanistan always meant lives would be lost. These soldiers were simply the last to die in Afghanistan - in this war.
The decision to leave Afghanistan is in the long-term best interests of the country. It was, is, and will be, a messy separation - and it will impact many lives. Could this have been planned better? Probably. But, I don't know that better planning stops a suicide bomber. Its tragic, but it's a cost for going in the first place.
Let's really be honest - the situation would not have existed without the decision to go to war nearly 20 years ago.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
I voted for Biden but do not feel responsible at all for his blunders. Bottom line is we had to pick our poison.
jamny
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Hastur
Footballguy
This seems closest to 'truth' to me. Everybody since Bush has been kicking this can down the road. Biden finally said enough is enough, but didn't have a sound strategy for doing so.
Same with the current medicare mess. Everyone has been kicking this political bomb down the road for decades. Whatever president finally tackles it will be blamed for the mess it will cause(is there a good solution for it? I hope so). Nobody wants to look bad and cause a stain on their 'legacy'.
Max Power
Footballguy
There is no probably about it. The withdraw was a disaster. We ignored the intelligence and tried to pretend things were better than they were. These mistakes directly cost American lives.
From the Military strategic level alone, this was horrendous. We ignored basic 101 level military strategy. The after action reports are going to roast this administration as they should. So much in hindsight is bad, but we have no real plan going forward either.
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That so-called commander in chief had 4 years to get the troops out. He was too much of a coward to follow through. Not my idea of a leader.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
"Trump REPEATEDLY demanded that we bring our soldiers home, but only President Biden had the balls to do it,” Ann Coulter
Summer Wheat
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Biden, yes. His supporters? Absolutely not. Politicians lie and change agenda's all the time.
It is absurd to put any responsibility on voters or supporters for the decisions a politician make after they are voted into office.
What a horrible and divisive way to propose a question.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Was Biden's decision making ability ever at question as you considered him as a candidate?
crackattack
Footballguy
Yes/no.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
All politicians decision making ability is in question to me.
What was your point of adding "and his supporters" into the question without adding a second answer in your poll?
squistion
Footballguy
That has been a recent trend among some polls done on this forum. See "Is Joe Biden A Bad President?" thread - the OP there gives us two choices that are essentially "Yes" and "Yes" and there is no 3rd option do disagree with his premise that Biden is a bad President.
Should you of added a third option where since Trump was such a awful GOP choice his supporters are responsible for providing such a lame GOP choice forcing some of us to vote for Biden. A mistake made by Biden in the timing of the withdrawal but voting for a treasonous Trump was not an option.
Summer Wheat
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TripItUp
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
Shouldn't we hold voters accountable for bad votes...at least try to help them see the error of their ways?
Summer Wheat
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Nope, because it is subjective and as I stated before what politicians say before they are elected and what they do after they are elected can be very different.
squistion
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kwille
Footballguy
Just ludicrous. Everyone who voted for anything ever would be facing endless reparations. How far you taking this? School board? HOA?
If it was a policy issue you would have a better argument. But as it is all you have is stinky bait.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Well said. It is like the Chiefs losing the super bowl last year and saying after the fact that they should have started Chad Henne and punish Andy Reid for it.
Do you blame Trump and his voters (including yourself) for the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol?
TripItUp
Footballguy
No, certainly not as directly responsible as Biden and his supporters are for the evacuation...unless they were a part of the insurrection.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Joe's cognitive ability was a point of contention, certainly something that conservative media outlets were discussing, and it was routinely dismissed by Biden supporters.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
So by that logic Biden supporters are only responsible if they are part of the Taliban. I can agree with that.
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TripItUp
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Do you hold GWBush responsible for 9/11? Or is it just Democratic Presidents who get blamed for terrorist attacks on their watch?
Sure but the failure of the military to plan the withdrawal better is not a result of Biden’s cognitive ability.
The buck stops with him because he is the President, but let’s not pretend he is micromanaging the withdrawal of Americans from Afghanistan.
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TripItUp
Footballguy
That's a good counterargument and begs the question how much blame goes to the military and our intelligence officials? I've heard conflicting stories on that front. I honestly have no idea.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I do not as I don't believe the evacuation and 9/11 are even remotely similar fact patterns.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Well done sir.
Honestly no fishing here, I just wonder if there is any humility from Biden voters that perhaps they made the wrong vote?
Doesn't sound like there is much humility here in the politics forum. "I voted for him but not my fault"
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