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Just now, ekbeats said:

Just hearing it now… oh boy.

 

We told you so and I remember Tim in addition to many on the right here saying it would never happen. Yeah, right. 

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Looks like a leak going on.  That cant be good.  Going beyond the decision (that they have not ruled yet)…that this memo was leaked?   Also big news.   

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Wrong Alito...do your job.  If the feds can dictate a drinking age of 21, a requirement to have health insurance, or a national speed limit (years past), then they can make a decision on abortion.  This should apply of the right to carry also.

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Just now, BassNBrew said:

Wrong Alito...do your job.  If the feds can dictate a drinking age of 21, a requirement to have health insurance, or a national speed limit (years past), then they can make a decision on abortion.  This should apply of the right to carry also.

I’ve never thought of those angles.  This is a very fair point.  

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3 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Who is leaking?  Not cool.

Dershowitz just said it was probably a Liberal clerk, which makes sense.  Pressure can now be put on the Justices.  Dems could even pack the Court.

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Just now, ekbeats said:

Dershowitz just said it was probably a Liberal clerk, which makes sense.  Pressure can now be put on the Justices.  Dems could even pack the Court.

They need to find this person and put them in jail.

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3 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

Wrong Alito...do your job.  If the feds can dictate a drinking age of 21, a requirement to have health insurance, or a national speed limit (years past), then they can make a decision on abortion.  This should apply of the right to carry also.

The drinking age Act doesn’t mandate it.  If a state chooses a different age it just means they get less federal funding.

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2 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

The drinking age Act doesn’t mandate it.  If a state chooses a different age it just means they get less federal funding.

But they can’t choose less then 21 correct?

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3 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

Dershowitz just said it was probably a Liberal clerk, which makes sense.  Pressure can now be put on the Justices.  Dems could even pack the Court.

 

Yeah, right. 

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2 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

The drinking age Act doesn’t mandate it.  If a state chooses a different age it just means they get less federal funding.

As a teen in the last holdout state (Louisiana, who else?) I remember this debate way back when.  Ultimately they caved and went to 21.  It was a defanged as humanly possible.

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3 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

I’ve never thought of those angles.  This is a very fair point.  

 

I'd also put gambling in this category to.  It shouldn't be so complicated to live in the USA.  Alternatively we could break up into 50 countries and deal with that crap show.

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3 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Sure they can.

Honestly didn’t know this, and I’ve been running restaurants and bars my entire life. Thought it was a federal mandate.  

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5 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

The drinking age Act doesn’t mandate it.  If a state chooses a different age it just means they get less federal funding.

 

Yeah...we're not mandating this you do this, we're just blackmailing you and you just won't give you the money you're entitled to.

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

Yeah, right. 

Hopefully this is the last opinion issued so that this process cannot occur before November.  I fully expect that the far left will scream and cry and demand that any and action possible be enacted toallow this evil to continue unabated.

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1 minute ago, dkp993 said:

Honestly didn’t know this, and I’ve been running restaurants and bars my entire life. Though it was a federal mandate.  

 

Not technically, but  basically do as we say or else.  We learn well from the our British forefathers.

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28 minutes ago, squistion said:

 

We told you so and I remember Tim in addition to many on the right here saying it would never happen. Yeah, right. 

I never asserted it wouldn’t happen. I guessed it wouldn’t happen. I was wrong, sadly. 
 

What a disaster. 

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11 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

Dershowitz just said it was probably a Liberal clerk, which makes sense.  Pressure can now be put on the Justices.  Dems could even pack the Court.

 

I'd find it just as likely to be a conservative "leak" either to gauge reaction or to put this information out there and then, voila, the decision doesn't actually overturn Roe and liberals have egg on their face and conservatives can say, "hey, we didn't overturn it so all is well" while gutting the thing substantially.

All that being said, I have no idea if the leak is real or who did it if so.  Just saying it could cut either way.  And either way, whoever leaked it should be toast for the rest of their legal career.

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1 minute ago, timschochet said:

I never asserted it wouldn’t happen. I guessed it wouldn’t happen. I was wrong, sadly. 
 

What a disaster. 

Not really.

There will be no shortage of liberal states offering free abortions if you want one.

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1 minute ago, BassNBrew said:

On the plus side...nice business opportunity in some states to promote Aborcations with their wineries and beaches.

 

But, as always, the people who get hurt the most are the poor.

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5 minutes ago, krista4 said:

I'd find it just as likely to be a conservative "leak" either to gauge reaction or to put this information out there and then, voila, the decision doesn't actually overturn Roe and liberals have egg on their face and conservatives can say, "hey, we didn't overturn it so all is well" while gutting the thing substantially.

All that being said, I have no idea if the leak is real or who did it if so.  Just saying it could cut either way.  And either way, whoever leaked it should be toast for the rest of their legal career.

Someone from Roberts corner of the building, who's concerned about the Court and its reputation generally, could be on the hook here.  Or Alito, if his draft was watered down or whatever.  

Lots of possibilities.

Will be interesting to see how fast the test case on overturning Same Sex Marriage gets before SCOTUS now.

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Just now, whoknew said:

 

But, as always, the people who get hurt the most are the poor.

Aside from the fetuses, of course.

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Just now, BladeRunner said:

Not really.

There will be no shortage of liberal states offering free abortions if you want one.

I believe abortion is a constitutional right that should be legal in all 50 states. Forcing women to go from state to state (which will be impossible for some) is unconscionable. You’re going to have backstreet abortions in some of these states. You’re going to have young girls with no options committing suicide or dying. I’m not being hyperbolic here. This is a complete disaster. 

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Just now, timschochet said:

I believe abortion is a constitutional right that should be legal in all 50 states. Forcing women to go from state to state (which will be impossible for some) is unconscionable. You’re going to have backstreet abortions in some of these states. You’re going to have young girls with no options committing suicide or dying. I’m not being hyperbolic here. This is a complete disaster.

 

Wow.   You really pulled out all the stops. End-of-the-world scenario here.

I doubt if any of that happens.  

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I hope this wakes up suburban women. The Christian Right has pushed for this for decades. They finally got the President they wanted in Trump and he delivered for them. And now we once again have women as second class citizens. Horrible. 

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5 minutes ago, Dinsy Ejotuz said:

Someone from Roberts corner of the building, who's concerned about the Court and its reputation generally, could be on the hook here.  Or Alito, if his draft was watered down or whatever.  

 

These are interesting ideas with some merit.  Could be from anywhere, really.  It angers me no matter who it is, though.  This should be, and has been, a place where we could depend upon honor and confidentiality.  Assuming it was a clerk (a SC justice surely wouldn't do it), they're also throwing away the most coveted position for any former law student to get, for perceived political gain of whatever stripe.  :X 

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5 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Fetuses aren’t people. 

California:  Come for the view, Stay for the Abortion!

Seems like a catchy slogan, no? I mean the Supreme Court is actually driving business to California. You should be happy with that.

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I believe abortion is a constitutional right that should be legal in all 50 states. Forcing women to go from state to state (which will be impossible for some) is unconscionable. You’re going to have backstreet abortions in some of these states. You’re going to have young girls with no options committing suicide or dying. I’m not being hyperbolic here. This is a complete disaster. 

 

Weird to find myself in agreement with Tim.

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Per Planned Parenthood 26 states are primed to make abortion illegal as soon as this is announced. 
 

I don’t know what good it will do but I am sending $500 to Planned Parenthood tonight. I feel like I have to do something…

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I hope this wakes up suburban women. The Christian Right has pushed for this for decades. They finally got the President they wanted in Trump and he delivered for them. And now we once again have women as second class citizens. Horrible. 

 

Wait...wut?  It's not our side that's saying biological men are actually women if they say they are.

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8 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

On the plus side...nice business opportunity in some states to promote Aborcations with their wineries and beaches.

This country was founded on the basis of 50 separate experiments.  This is what something like abortion should have always been.

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1 minute ago, BladeRunner said:

 

Wow.   You really pulled out all the stops. End-of-the-world scenario here.

I doubt if any of that happens.  

I’m pretty sure its what has happened everywhere abortion has been made illegal.  Banning it doesnt lower abortion rates…it lowers the rate of safe abortions.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/abortion-restrictions-health-implications/

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1 minute ago, BladeRunner said:

California:  Come for the view, Stayvfor the Abortion!

Seems like a catchy slogan, no? I mean the Supreme Court is actually driving business to California. You should be happy with that.

You’re being tasteless.

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