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I agree with both of you. I had no desire to go RB-RB-RB (I got McAllister in R1), so even if I took Bennett and Brown slid, I did not have the RB2 I really wanted. I am in line with CD's projections for C Brown. I think the wild card may be how many receptions he gets. If he's in there all three downs with McNair, he could easily get 400+ receiving yards. He never caught many passes at CU, but at the end of last season and in the playoffs, he certainly looked capable.
I will read it.At the moment, I believe it to be a meaningless correlation like : Team A is 12-2 when RB1 gets 20 or morecarries. Then people start to think that if they hand RB1 the ball 20 times, it is an easy win. It can easily be the opposit- team a has a game easily in hand and continues to run the ball.IN 2002Priest, Ricky, LT, Alexander were 4 of the five top 5 backs and all missed the playoffs.Goods backs do well regardless of circumstance.Even without the Vermeil system, Faulk was good when Indy stunk.Eddie was good when the Titans were an 8-8 team.LT has done well all the time.Priest was great both when the Chiefs stunk and the Chiefs were good.Fred Taylor has done well in good Jag years and in bad.Travis Henry put up similar numbers in 2003 and 2003 despite radically different records.Curtis Martin has been amazingly consistent yardage-wise whether the patriots/jets were winning or losing.Dillon did well in the Cincy.Stephen Davis did well when Washington stunk.Michael Bennett's best year was when the Vikings were 6-10.This list of exceptioons (and there are many more) to your rule is so long that it makes the rule very shaky at best.So I will keep an open mind, but my feeling at the moment is this:Good teams often have a good back. That is no surprise, as good teams often have better players. However, simply being on a good team doesn't make you a good back. For the most part, you are a good back, or you are not.
I'm rooting for everyone to screw up and take Thomas Jones ahead of these guys, that only helps my chances of landing a good back later....
I agree that KJones and CBrown are starting to lose their "nice value" but if they go in the late 2nbd early 3rd, SOMEone is getting pushed down. Tiki, CuMar, Rudi - someone else is getting shoved down if those guys are moving up - Chad John, CPepp, TO, Holt - SOMEone is getting shoved down when others are getting moved up.Just change your definition of "nice value" to include Barber, CuMar, CJohn, TO, etc. in the third.All I know is two weeks ago I could have probably gotten K. Jones in the third round and C. Brown in the fourth....now with all my drafts this weekend it sounds like I'll be lucky to get one of them in the second!
You're 100% correct, it's just that I really like both of these guys and was hoping to land them in a couple of leagues. The higher their price the less likely it is that I get them - there's just less opportunities to do so and they're at par in value at that point, that's my gripe. I can live with Curtis or Chad in the 3rd, no problem - the problem is it's more likely that the guys I really don't want (Tiki, Rudi, Holt) end up getting pushed down. But what can you do?I agree that KJones and CBrown are starting to lose their "nice value" but if they go in the late 2nbd early 3rd, SOMEone is getting pushed down. Tiki, CuMar, Rudi - someone else is getting shoved down if those guys are moving up - Chad John, CPepp, TO, Holt - SOMEone is getting shoved down when others are getting moved up.Just change your definition of "nice value" to include Barber, CuMar, CJohn, TO, etc. in the third.All I know is two weeks ago I could have probably gotten K. Jones in the third round and C. Brown in the fourth....now with all my drafts this weekend it sounds like I'll be lucky to get one of them in the second!
I'll be one who will GLADLY take Thomas Jones over Chris Brown or Kevin Jones. Without hesitation.And at the end of the year, I'll be glad I did.All I know is two weeks ago I could have probably gotten K. Jones in the third round and C. Brown in the fourth....now with all my drafts this weekend it sounds like I'll be lucky to get one of them in the second!
Why? Do you get bonus points for selecting Bears? COlinI'll be one who will GLADLY take Thomas Jones over Chris Brown or Kevin Jones. Without hesitation.And at the end of the year, I'll be glad I did.All I know is two weeks ago I could have probably gotten K. Jones in the third round and C. Brown in the fourth....now with all my drafts this weekend it sounds like I'll be lucky to get one of them in the second!
Hahaha, nope.I'll be happy because I chose the most productive RB of that group.Why? Do you get bonus points for selecting Bears? COlinI'll be one who will GLADLY take Thomas Jones over Chris Brown or Kevin Jones. Without hesitation.And at the end of the year, I'll be glad I did.All I know is two weeks ago I could have probably gotten K. Jones in the third round and C. Brown in the fourth....now with all my drafts this weekend it sounds like I'll be lucky to get one of them in the second!
You're right, I'm exaggerating there - I really doubt Holt gets pushed into the third round, but if he did I'd have to strongly consider drafting him there. I probably would try to find a running back I liked better at that point, but you can't force it either.I think the Rams are going off the cliff this year, I really think things are looking ominous for them. Even if they didn't I doubt Holt puts up as many TDs as he did last year - I see him ending up with numbers closer to 2002 than 2003, which isn't bad, but it's not worth where he's being drafted (2nd round). So I'm "down" on Holt this year in relation to most other people it seems.
Unless "most likely to be a total wash out" means productive to you, I think you'll be very sad about Thomas Jones this year. Or maybe you're in a league where you can use the one good game he's ever had in five years in the NFL for his stats every week?Hahaha, nope.I'll be happy because I chose the most productive RB of that group.Why? Do you get bonus points for selecting Bears? COlinI'll be one who will GLADLY take Thomas Jones over Chris Brown or Kevin Jones. Without hesitation.And at the end of the year, I'll be glad I did.All I know is two weeks ago I could have probably gotten K. Jones in the third round and C. Brown in the fourth....now with all my drafts this weekend it sounds like I'll be lucky to get one of them in the second!
Keep telling yourself that. I've posted my thoughts on Thomas Jones this year enough that I'm not going to do it here. Some people believe in him, some don't. I believe he's going to show everyone that he's not the same RB he was in Arizona. He started showing it last year, and everyone who has seen him this year believe it more and more and more and more....Unless "most likely to be a total wash out" means productive to you, I think you'll be very sad about Thomas Jones this year. Or maybe you're in a league where you can use the one good game he's ever had in five years in the NFL for his stats every week?Hahaha, nope.I'll be happy because I chose the most productive RB of that group.Why? Do you get bonus points for selecting Bears? COlinI'll be one who will GLADLY take Thomas Jones over Chris Brown or Kevin Jones. Without hesitation.And at the end of the year, I'll be glad I did.All I know is two weeks ago I could have probably gotten K. Jones in the third round and C. Brown in the fourth....now with all my drafts this weekend it sounds like I'll be lucky to get one of them in the second!
similar story here. I drafted out of the 2 hole.1. LT2. Harrison3. C BrownI am loving life.
:hijack alert:The reason there SHOULD be love for CuMar is that he doesn't miss games and he is the primary receiving option, which mean he is a virtual lock for 1500 rushing yards. With Pennie in there last year he was significantly more effective. 16 games from Pennie = an up year for Cumar.:hijack off:I would expect CuMar's TD numbers and receiving numbers to continue to remain low, but I place Barber, Martin and Brown on about the same level of FF Productivity - I just see Martin on his way down the ladder while Brown is passing him on the way up - also, unless you are in a pt/rec league, Barber's rushing numbers and TD totals are likely to stay lower this year than Brown's numbers, and his upside is severely limited by his team while brown's upside is much higher - esp. in red zone production if he is able to do what Eddie was NOT able to do - pound it into the endzone from inside the 5.
As league commissioner, I schedule the draft dates. We'll be drafting our teams on Wednesday. My timing could've been a little better...
WOW!"Thomas Jones" and "perfect running back" used in the same sentence?Are you kidding me?!Where's Unlucky!He has GOT to see this!
I believe he is referring to his physical appearance and measurables, not production. TJ may not have done much on the field, but he more or less looks like a Greek god done in ebony.WOW!"Thomas Jones" and "perfect running back" used in the same sentence?Are you kidding me?!Where's Unlucky!He has GOT to see this!
That would comply with how he ran at CU - keep giving him the ball because around carry 10 or 12 he starts to get into a groove with the OL.
This should be called the Chris Brown is highly overrated post. He was value for you guys 3 months ago not now.
I am Starting to worry about his Vaule too. The why he been hype and Barlow been getting Kicked around. Barlow might be the Vaule. I been hearing about barlow going in 3rd in 10-man and late in 2nd in 12 man. Just over the last weekend after going 12th or so for the 1st month.
I think you made a bad move as far as Dillon is concerned. I agree with you to the extent that he is better then Westbrook, Tiki and RB's in that tier/range but to take him over Dillon, THenry, Barlow, DDavis and any other back like that is not smart.
I'm sorry, but even with a guy like Dillon in the backfield, I just don't see Belichick getting away from his 'any guy, any time' philosophy. It's worked for two championships, so why is he going to go to a workhorse back mentality now? He's found that short passes/passes in the backfield control the clock just as well.Dillon just doesn't sit well with me in this style of offense. He got sick of the 'take one for the team' mentality in Cincy so he might feel better about it with the shot at a ring this time, but I wonder if his head's in it.
People talk about Brown being overhyped but the same can be said for Barlow. What has he ever done beside playing 2nd fiddle to Hearst for 2-3 years. He has no QB, no name WR corp, avg line yet it's crazy to take Brown before him? I don't really get it. Barlow is a good talent but is not in a great situation, Brown is. Barlow does not have LT type talent where he can carry an offense, if he did he would have been starting the last 3 years. Brown would have had 2 td's in the 1st half today vs the #1 Dallas def if he played the entire 2nd qtr. The Titans can move the ball and will get a ton of opportunities inside the 20. He may not have quite the talent of Barlow but he has a much much better opportunity.
Here's the deal with Dillon: None of us have a clue until the regular season starts. We will know within a week or two whether Dillon is going to finally live up to his potential or turn out as a mediocre disaster for those of us who took him early.
Getting Kevin Jones is some solace, but Jones is all potential and Brown is Now.
