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WRs in the middle tier who will have the best season? (1 Viewer)

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BigOlBar

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Who do you guys like of these four?

Bruce - steady but getting older. Thought he would have a bigger 1st game with Holt at 70%. 2nd Receiving option

Toomer - Eli's security blanket? Plaxico should get much more double coverage after last week. Toomer is getting old and just had surgery...

Crayton - Can he get the same numbers that Glenn got last year? Offense looked great, but will it continue? 3rd Receiving option behind TO and Wittenn?

Curtis - Offense looked horrible? Will McNabb turn it around or is his knee going to be an issue all season. Is Curtis #2 behind Westbrook or #3 behind Brown as well?

I am thinking Curtis may have the best opportunity to break out of these 4 and Bruce may be the best "steady" option...

 
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I was shocked at how good Toomer looked the other night.

I am not sold on Curtis in Philly offense as of yet.

Bruce should be solid.

 
BigOlBar said:
Who do you guys like of these three?Bruce - steady but getting older. Thought he would have a bigger 1st game with Holt at 70%. 2nd Receiving optionToomer - Eli's security blanket? Plaxico should get much more double coverage after last week. Toomer is getting old and just had surgery...Crayton - Can he get the same numbers that Glenn got last year? Offense looked great, but will it continue? 3rd Receiving option behind TO and Wittenn?Curtis - Offense looked horrible? Will McNabb turn it around or is his knee going to be an issue all season. Is Curtis #2 behind Westbrook or #3 behind Brown as well?I am thinking Curtis may have the best opportunity to break out of these 4 and Bruce may be the best "steady" option...
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I like Curtis... especially with LJ being hurt... like I said all off-season, there really isn't a #1 WR on that team.. its 1a and 1b.Westy will lead in Targets while Curtis and Brown will be very close for #2 in targets.
 
I agree, it is 1a and 1b in Philly, but is 1a/1b in Philly better than 2 in St Louis?!? And LJ is coming back...

 
Like Bruce, Toomer is getting close to social security age. Unlike Bruce, he's showing no signs of slowing down. He looks surprisingly good....even with the surgery.

 
maxwell1295 said:
Like Bruce, Toomer is getting close to social security age. Unlike Bruce, he's showing no signs of slowing down. He looks surprisingly good....even with the surgery.
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Don't know how you can say Bruce is slowing down. He had 1000 yards last year. He also had 9 targets last week...
 
BigOlBar said:
maxwell1295 said:
Like Bruce, Toomer is getting close to social security age. Unlike Bruce, he's showing no signs of slowing down. He looks surprisingly good....even with the surgery.
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Don't know how you can say Bruce is slowing down. He had 1000 yards last year. He also had 9 targets last week...
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Bump er up a notch...
 
Bruce: A solid, dependable option. 900/3

Curtis has speed and is in a pass-happy offense. Andy Reid is too good of a coach to be consistently beat down like last week. I think Curtis will (at least) match Reggie Brown's numbers. I'm thinking 1000/6. (I'm higher on him than most, I imagine).

Toomer: Decent bye-week filler. Less yardage than Bruce, but more likelihood of a TD. 700/6

Crayton: No clue. I like the high-scoring offense of the Cowboys, but he will be overshadowed by Owens, Barber, and maybe Witten. Upside is probably Glenn's numbers last year, 1000/6. Downside is probably 600/2.

I think these guys are pretty close, but I like Curtis and Crayton for having more upside. So I guess I'd say:

Curtis > Crayton > Bruce = Toomer

 
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Bruce: A solid, dependable option. 900/3Curtis has speed and is in a pass-happy offense. Andy Reid is too good of a coach to be consistently beat down like last week. I think Curtis will (at least) match Reggie Brown's numbers. I'm thinking 1000/6. (I'm higher on him than most, I imagine).Toomer: Decent bye-week filler. Less yardage than Bruce, but more likelihood of a TD. 700/6Crayton: No clue. I like the high-scoring offense of the Cowboys, but he will be overshadowed by Owens, Barber, and maybe Witten. Upside is probably Glenn's numbers last year, 1000/6. Downside is probably 600/2.I think these guys are pretty close, but I like Curtis and Crayton for having more upside. So I guess I'd say:Curtis > Crayton > Bruce = Toomer
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Nice Post, Saint. Thanks.I think I am Curtis > Bruce > Crayton > Toomerps Smith may get more look in NY too...
 
In this range, I believe upside is more important than consistency, and as a result, of this group I like Curtis and Crayton the best. If Terry Glenn misses most of the season, I believe Crayton could end up with the best numbers. However, my choice would be Curtis as he has nearly the same upside without any personnel questions.

 
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Devery Henderson.

Last week he did nothing, but I believe that was more a result of Indy playing great D, and Sean Payton calling one of the worst games of his career. This offense will get back on track this week, and I think Henderson will end up being an excellent 2nd tier WR. With Colston and Bush garning attention over the middle, Henderson should get some single coverage on the deep routes (Devery is a burner).

1100 yards and 7 TD's

Of the guys you listed above, I like Kevin Curtis. Someone has to catch the ball in Andy Reids pass happy offense. Bruce and Crayton could be decent options, but I think Curtis will catch more TD's.

 
BigOlBar said:
Who do you guys like of these four?Bruce - steady but getting older. Thought he would have a bigger 1st game with Holt at 70%. 2nd Receiving optionToomer - Eli's security blanket? Plaxico should get much more double coverage after last week. Toomer is getting old and just had surgery...Crayton - Can he get the same numbers that Glenn got last year? Offense looked great, but will it continue? 3rd Receiving option behind TO and Wittenn?Curtis - Offense looked horrible? Will McNabb turn it around or is his knee going to be an issue all season. Is Curtis #2 behind Westbrook or #3 behind Brown as well?I am thinking Curtis may have the best opportunity to break out of these 4 and Bruce may be the best "steady" option...
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Isaac Bruce and Amani Toomer... repeat that to yourself a few times. Let reality set in. Buy on the future, not the past.
 
SaintArnold said:
Bruce: A solid, dependable option. 900/3Curtis has speed and is in a pass-happy offense. Andy Reid is too good of a coach to be consistently beat down like last week. I think Curtis will (at least) match Reggie Brown's numbers. I'm thinking 1000/6. (I'm higher on him than most, I imagine).Toomer: Decent bye-week filler. Less yardage than Bruce, but more likelihood of a TD. 700/6Crayton: No clue. I like the high-scoring offense of the Cowboys, but he will be overshadowed by Owens, Barber, and maybe Witten. Upside is probably Glenn's numbers last year, 1000/6. Downside is probably 600/2.I think these guys are pretty close, but I like Curtis and Crayton for having more upside. So I guess I'd say:Curtis > Crayton > Bruce = Toomer
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Toomer has more of an upside than Curtis, imo. Plax is due to get hurt in 3...2...1.., when that happens, Toomer is THE guy...and, he looks surprisingly good !McNabb has to show us something this week,or he's headed for the scrap heap as one of 2007's biggest fantasy busts..I know it was only game #1, be he looked awful..as a result, I'm not starting Curtis until he produces..
 
shakeybarn said:
BigOlBar said:
Who do you guys like of these four?

Bruce - steady but getting older. Thought he would have a bigger 1st game with Holt at 70%. 2nd Receiving option

Toomer - Eli's security blanket? Plaxico should get much more double coverage after last week. Toomer is getting old and just had surgery...

Crayton - Can he get the same numbers that Glenn got last year? Offense looked great, but will it continue? 3rd Receiving option behind TO and Wittenn?

Curtis - Offense looked horrible? Will McNabb turn it around or is his knee going to be an issue all season. Is Curtis #2 behind Westbrook or #3 behind Brown as well?

I am thinking Curtis may have the best opportunity to break out of these 4 and Bruce may be the best "steady" option...
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Isaac Bruce and Amani Toomer... repeat that to yourself a few times. Let reality set in. Buy on the future, not the past.
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How about "buying on the present"?It's thinking like this, enamored by the physical skill and upside of the younger guns, that allows quality depth in older starters to slide in the draft, sit on the waiver wire or be had as a "throw in" in a trade. The topic is who is the better pick for this year and the reality is that Toomer looked great the other night, with a long TD just off his fingertips as well that wouldn't show up in the stat line and Bruce just continues to put up numbers.

I think who you want depends on who you have. I like my WR crops to have a good mixture of older vets and "upside" guys. I just picked Toomer off of the waiver wire and couldn't be happier.

 
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I cut Curtis this week to pick up Bruce when another team cut him. It was a tough decision. Unfortunately, I am in a league with a short bench, so I had no better option to cut. I'd love to pull off a 2 for 1 trade and pick Curtis back up, if he doesn't go off this week.

 
Take what Stallworth did last year in 11 games and extrapolate them out to 16, and you get a little over 1000 yards and around 7 TDs. If he stays healthy and remains a starter, Curtis should be able to match those numbers, particularly if McNabb stays healthy. Those numbers would have put him right around wide receiver 25 last year.

 
Very good discussion, guys. I still have it ranked the same way..

Curtis > Crayton > Bruce = Toomer

but since I just picked up Curtis off waivers, I am thinking of dumping Jennings for Bruce. One upside guy and one "old steady" guy. Jennings has injuries and Jones breathing down his neck...

 
BigOlBar said:
Who do you guys like of these four?

Bruce - steady but getting older. Thought he would have a bigger 1st game with Holt at 70%. 2nd Receiving option

Toomer - Eli's security blanket? Plaxico should get much more double coverage after last week. Toomer is getting old and just had surgery...

Crayton - Can he get the same numbers that Glenn got last year? Offense looked great, but will it continue? 3rd Receiving option behind TO and Wittenn?

Curtis - Offense looked horrible? Will McNabb turn it around or is his knee going to be an issue all season. Is Curtis #2 behind Westbrook or #3 behind Brown as well?

I am thinking Curtis may have the best opportunity to break out of these 4 and Bruce may be the best "steady" option...
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McNabb's knee was fine. I saw the game as many of you did and did not see an issue with his knee. In fact, he scrambled a few times and looked good running and looked fine after the hits. Curtis would be my pick as the best chance on this group. McNabb is going to have monster games and Curtis should get his share of yds and td's. It's not like Reggie Brown is that much better than him at this point. In fact, Curtis looked like the go to wr on deep passing routes and McNabb missed him on a long pass in which he beat the DB and was wide open. I like Curtis, be patient if you have him as I think he has potential once he and McNabb build an increased repore.
 
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SaintArnold said:
Bruce: A solid, dependable option. 900/3Curtis has speed and is in a pass-happy offense. Andy Reid is too good of a coach to be consistently beat down like last week. I think Curtis will (at least) match Reggie Brown's numbers. I'm thinking 1000/6. (I'm higher on him than most, I imagine).Toomer: Decent bye-week filler. Less yardage than Bruce, but more likelihood of a TD. 700/6Crayton: No clue. I like the high-scoring offense of the Cowboys, but he will be overshadowed by Owens, Barber, and maybe Witten. Upside is probably Glenn's numbers last year, 1000/6. Downside is probably 600/2.I think these guys are pretty close, but I like Curtis and Crayton for having more upside. So I guess I'd say:Curtis > Crayton > Bruce = Toomer
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Nice Post, Saint. Thanks.I think I am Curtis > Bruce > Crayton > Toomerps Smith may get more look in NY too...
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:kicksrock: Well, another bad week for the Eagles. I haven't seen any of their games yet, but it sounds like it's a combination of poor play by McNabb and the receivers dropping balls. If they don't turn it around vs. Detroit, it's a pretty bad sign for the rest of the season. In my main league, I'm starting Marshall over Curtis at this point.So far:Curtis 6/81/0Crayton 3/51/0Toomer 11/139/0Bruce 11/165/0So the established, steady guys are giving steady numbers. And my "high upside" picks are doing nothing. Still, with no TDs, none of these guys are really *too* exciting.
 
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When looking at situations like this you always have to consider the targets.

Bruce (7th among wrs') - 22 (9-13)

Toomer (21st) - 17 (11-6)

Curtis (28th) - 16 (5-11)

Crayton (60+) - 6

Crayton isn't even part of the discussion at this point. He's been hyped but shown little so far either due to injury/play/etc. Bruce is obviously being targetted very heavily but that will slow down and Holt and he will flip flop as the year goes on (Holt is currently 25th but is always among the top 5 in targets). Toomer and Curtis are basically neck and neck.

Of the 3, I like Curtis the best in large part due to the kind of targets he gets. In week 1 McNabb missed on several 25+ yard attempts and the same thing happened on Monday night. McNabb is off but we've seen from the TO/Stallworth years when healthy/in rhythm he can throw a good deep ball. Toomer/Bruce on the other hand are solid possession type wr's but aren't going to take many 50 yard passes to the house at this point.

So at the end of the day I guess it depends on what you're looking for. If it's a solid plug in that will probably get you 5-70 yards I'd go with Bruce but if you're looking for a feast or famine wr I'd go with Curtis.

 
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When looking at situations like this you always have to consider the targets.Bruce (7th among wrs') - 22 (9-13)Toomer (21st) - 17 (11-6)Curtis (28th) - 16 (5-11)Crayton (60+) - 6Crayton isn't even part of the discussion at this point. He's been hyped but shown little so far either due to injury/play/etc. Bruce is obviously being targetted very heavily but that will slow down and Holt and he will flip flop as the year goes on (Holt is currently 25th but is always among the top 5 in targets). Toomer and Curtis are basically neck and neck.Of the 3, I like Curtis the best in large part due to the kind of targets he gets. In week 1 McNabb missed on several 25+ yard attempts and the same thing happened on Monday night. McNabb is off but we've seen from the TO/Stallworth years when healthy/in rhythm he can throw a good deep ball. Toomer/Bruce on the other hand are solid possession type wr's but aren't going to take many 50 yard passes to the house at this point. So at the end of the day I guess it depends on what you're looking for. If it's a solid plug in that will probably get you 5-70 yards I'd go with Bruce but if you're looking for a feast or famine wr I'd go with Curtis.
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McNabb definitely looked Curtis' way a lot on Monday night, though I think you might see Avant take some of his looks down the road. Curtis (and Brown for that matter) missed a few I thought he should have caught, and Avant caught everything thrown in his vicinity.Avant is really only worth a look in deeper leagues, but should be on the radar if he can move into the WR2 role. (And in dynasty leagues is definitely worth a spot if he's a FA).
 
Even at Michigan, Avant always had great hands. I'm not surprised in the least that he's becoming a fixture in Philly's offense. Expect his role to increase as the season wears on.

 
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