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** OFFICIAL, my league is too stupid to use total points as a playoff (1 Viewer)

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firstseason1988

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Playoff tiebreaker should always be total points.

1. Easy to discern

2. You play head to head all year, make total points worth something

Three months from now we will be seeing things like "...our tiebreakers are say 1. head to head 2. division record .... but we have a 3 way tie and the teams didn't play each other an equal amount of times and....blah, blah, blad.."

Stoopid junk like that.

Seriously, why make it hard, total points is right there on all major websites. Make it easy. Total points show a more consistent team. If you do head to head, what if the only time you played the other team is a real bad bye week for you?

Anyone without the foresight to see problems with dumb tiebreakers. I am telling you right here. TOTAL POINTS, and oh yeah, use decimal points too.

Done, don't want to hear any crying, I told ya long time ago.

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1. Overall Winning Percentage

2. Division Winning Percentage

3. Head To Head Games Played (2 teams only)

4. Total Points

5. Virtual Coin Toss

This is how my league decides playoff rankings and this is the way it should be.

Total points should NEVER be used above head to head.

 
spider321 said:
1. Overall Winning Percentage 2. Division Winning Percentage 3. Head To Head Games Played (2 teams only) 4. Total Points5. Virtual Coin Toss This is how my league decides playoff rankings and this is the way it should be.Total points should NEVER be used above head to head.
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No, you play 13-15 regular season games H2H. If you can't decide it by then, total points are the way to go. H2H, you have to go back and look, sure not that tough, but like I said, what if you have Brady-Moss and the guy you tied with is the guy you played on the New England bye week. Pretty lame. Make total points worth something, it validates the more consistent team.
 
firstseason1988 said:
spider321 said:
1. Overall Winning Percentage 2. Division Winning Percentage 3. Head To Head Games Played (2 teams only) 4. Total Points5. Virtual Coin Toss This is how my league decides playoff rankings and this is the way it should be.Total points should NEVER be used above head to head.
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No, you play 13-15 regular season games H2H. If you can't decide it by then, total points are the way to go. H2H, you have to go back and look, sure not that tough, but like I said, what if you have Brady-Moss and the guy you tied with is the guy you played on the New England bye week. Pretty lame. Make total points worth something, it validates the more consistent team.
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All play record validates the more consistent team but hey why not just join leagues that have rules you like to start with?
 
spider321 said:
1. Overall Winning Percentage 2. Division Winning Percentage 3. Head To Head Games Played (2 teams only) 4. Total Points5. Virtual Coin Toss This is how my league decides playoff rankings and this is the way it should be.Total points should NEVER be used above head to head.
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No thanks. If one team outscores another over the course of a season, that is basing the decision on 13 weeks, not just one. And that one could easily have been due to one team having less players on byes than the other. The NFL has ample reason for using head to head, but those reasons are not necessarily automatically transferable to fantasy.
 
Knobs said:
WTF is this thread and why is it here?
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As a link for dooshes 3 months from now coming in here asking advice on how to handle their issues with their dumbazz tiebreak system. Should be total points:Easy to discern.You play H2H all season, let the more consistent team have the advantage.
 
spider321 said:
1. Overall Winning Percentage 2. Division Winning Percentage 3. Head To Head Games Played (2 teams only) 4. Total Points5. Virtual Coin Toss This is how my league decides playoff rankings and this is the way it should be.Total points should NEVER be used above head to head.
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this is completely wacky
 
firstseason1988 said:
spider321 said:
1. Overall Winning Percentage 2. Division Winning Percentage 3. Head To Head Games Played (2 teams only) 4. Total Points5. Virtual Coin Toss This is how my league decides playoff rankings and this is the way it should be.Total points should NEVER be used above head to head.
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No, you play 13-15 regular season games H2H. If you can't decide it by then, total points are the way to go. H2H, you have to go back and look, sure not that tough, but like I said, what if you have Brady-Moss and the guy you tied with is the guy you played on the New England bye week. Pretty lame. Make total points worth something, it validates the more consistent team.
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OK,. so I sweep you in our two games and you score 1 extra point then me and you go? Please, like in every sport there is, winning by one point or 10 points counts the same. Total points should come into play after h2h is exhausted
 
j3r3m3y said:
Cherry pie is the best, any one who thinks another type is better is a stupid loser!!
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It's simple really.You want your fantasy playoffs to have the strongest teams in your league. In order to increase the chances of that, points is a much better indicator than some random week in the middle of the season. The more arbitrary you make the playoff criteria, the less value you place on all of the effort pelple make to field the best possible team.
 
I you want total points, don't play in a head to head league, play in a total points league.

For me, going head to head is the fun of fantasy football.

I would never join a league that lets a team I swept go in the playoffs over mine.

 
spider321 said:
1. Overall Winning Percentage

2. Division Winning Percentage

3. Head To Head Games Played (2 teams only)

4. Total Points

5. Virtual Coin Toss

This is how my league decides playoff rankings and this is the way it should be.
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Wrong. Division % should ONLY be used if ALL tied teams are in the SAME division. That's the way the NFL does it.
 
Mr. Retukes said:
spider321 said:
1. Overall Winning Percentage

2. Division Winning Percentage

3. Head To Head Games Played (2 teams only)

4. Total Points

5. Virtual Coin Toss

This is how my league decides playoff rankings and this is the way it should be.
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Wrong. Division % should ONLY be used if ALL tied teams are in the SAME division. That's the way the NFL does it.
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Wrong. Same division ties IS what this formula is used for, just like the NFL.Of course that part would only be used for same division teams. Any idiot would've known that.

...and **** you and the horse you rode in on, Retukes.

 
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Brock Middlebrook said:
j3r3m3y said:
Cherry pie is the best, any one who thinks another type is better is a stupid loser!!
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It's simple really.You want your fantasy playoffs to have the strongest teams in your league. In order to increase the chances of that, points is a much better indicator than some random week in the middle of the season. The more arbitrary you make the playoff criteria, the less value you place on all of the effort pelple make to field the best possible team.
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It is a matter of personal preference. If you want the strongest team to win then there should be no head to head nor playoffs it should be total points. "Head to head" is a lie anyway, the other team has no effect on the number of points you score that way.Since most people agree that total points all season is boring we all play head to head. Once you have conceded that, then you might as well tinker it to personal choice because it is no longer a "pure" competition.
 
spider321 said:
Mr. Retukes said:
spider321 said:
1. Overall Winning Percentage

2. Division Winning Percentage

3. Head To Head Games Played (2 teams only)

4. Total Points

5. Virtual Coin Toss

This is how my league decides playoff rankings and this is the way it should be.
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Wrong. Division % should ONLY be used if ALL tied teams are in the SAME division. That's the way the NFL does it.
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Wrong. Same division ties IS what this formula is used for, just like the NFL.Of course that part would only be used for same division teams. Any idiot would've known that.

...and **** you and the horse you rode in on, Retukes.
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:goodposting: No need for this here. Let's pretend we are big boys and can disagree in a respectful manner.

 
^ I agree. I just don't like some jack*** coming in with his "Wrong" BS. :thumbup:

 
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Brock Middlebrook said:
Liquid Tension said:
OK,. so I sweep you in our two games and you score 1 extra point then me and you go?
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yes. It's not like your players actually physically played his players on the same field. Your "sweep" is really just a random function of the schedule.
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Then you should be playing in a total points league if you feel this way. Why factor in head to head at all since everyone's record is just a random function of the schedule.
 
Brock Middlebrook said:
Mario Kart said:
7-7 > 6-6-2
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:football:
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7 wins is more than and better than 6 wins.
Brock Middlebrook said:
Mario Kart said:
If there is a tie than the first round playoff game is a 3-way game. It is the only fair way.
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so, the higher seed not only has to beat one team, he has to beat two? Give me the lower seed, thank you very much.This thread is becoming bizarro world for fairness
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Happens if there are two 11-2 teams going against the, now, 7th place finisher. The lower seed is in fact at a disadvantage. This is pretty simple to comprehend.
 
Mario Kart said:
Brock Middlebrook said:
Mario Kart said:
7-7 > 6-6-2
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7 wins is more than and better than 6 wins.
Brock Middlebrook said:
Mario Kart said:
If there is a tie than the first round playoff game is a 3-way game. It is the only fair way.
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so, the higher seed not only has to beat one team, he has to beat two? Give me the lower seed, thank you very much.This thread is becoming bizarro world for fairness
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Happens if there are two 11-2 teams going against the, now, 7th place finisher. The lower seed is in fact at a disadvantage. This is pretty simple to comprehend.
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The number one seed could wind up playing both the 8/9 teams, as those teams are tied for thr last spot, while the 2 seed only has to play the 7 seed.being the two seed is better than being the one seed

 
Pipes said:
Brock Middlebrook said:
Liquid Tension said:
OK,. so I sweep you in our two games and you score 1 extra point then me and you go?
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yes. It's not like your players actually physically played his players on the same field. Your "sweep" is really just a random function of the schedule.
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Then you should be playing in a total points league if you feel this way. Why factor in head to head at all since everyone's record is just a random function of the schedule.
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On a weekly basis, h2h is more fun, but at the end of the year, just do total points, because at the end of the year, its more fun for the better teams to have a greater chance to prevail.
 
Crazy thread, but...

The best league setup combines both head to head and total points.

As has been mentioned, total points is a good measure of season long excellence and consistency and should absolutely be rewarded, so have major rewards for total points champions.

Head-to-head is more fun and representative -- although imperfectly -- of the way the real NFL works, so it should also be rewarded.

Pick one of these formats to be the main prize and the other to be at least half of the main prize in value -- or split them evenly -- and you can enjoy the best of both worlds.

(Throw in weekly points prizes and the problem of dealing with late season deadbeat owners is also addressed.)

 
The Jerk said:
Crazy thread, but...The best league setup combines both head to head and total points.As has been mentioned, total points is a good measure of season long excellence and consistency and should absolutely be rewarded, so have major rewards for total points champions.Head-to-head is more fun and representative -- although imperfectly -- of the way the real NFL works, so it should also be rewarded.Pick one of these formats to be the main prize and the other to be at least half of the main prize in value -- or split them evenly -- and you can enjoy the best of both worlds.(Throw in weekly points prizes and the problem of dealing with late season deadbeat owners is also addressed.)
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Total points is a good indicator of the best team, but I think an all play schedule is the best for determing the best team (part of power ranking).
 
My leagues are Overall Winning Percentage followed by Total Points Scored. We also award 25% of the pot to Total Points Leader. If you take the Super Bowl and Total Points Scored, you really cash in. Of course that rarely happens......seems like the Total Points leader always plays people on their best weeks. Go figure.

 
As a commish, Total Points Scored has always been the secondary tie breaker in all my leagues after overall record. I hate seeing Head to Head in front of total points scored.....since that rewards one or two weeks where total points scored rewards the better team over the course of the season

 
RudeDog said:
The Jerk said:
Crazy thread, but...The best league setup combines both head to head and total points.As has been mentioned, total points is a good measure of season long excellence and consistency and should absolutely be rewarded, so have major rewards for total points champions.Head-to-head is more fun and representative -- although imperfectly -- of the way the real NFL works, so it should also be rewarded.Pick one of these formats to be the main prize and the other to be at least half of the main prize in value -- or split them evenly -- and you can enjoy the best of both worlds.(Throw in weekly points prizes and the problem of dealing with late season deadbeat owners is also addressed.)
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Total points is a good indicator of the best team, but I think an all play schedule is the best for determing the best team (part of power ranking).
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Variations on the same theme, all play probably rewards the more consistent team whereas all points usually rewards the more explosive team.
 
spider321 said:
^ I agree. I just don't like some jack*** coming in with his "Wrong" BS. :thumbup:
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Perhaps if you had mentioned that your tiebreaker only applied to intra-division ties from the start, you wouldn't have found yourself in this situation.
 
j3r3m3y said:
Brock Middlebrook said:
j3r3m3y said:
Cherry pie is the best, any one who thinks another type is better is a stupid loser!!
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It's simple really.You want your fantasy playoffs to have the strongest teams in your league. In order to increase the chances of that, points is a much better indicator than some random week in the middle of the season. The more arbitrary you make the playoff criteria, the less value you place on all of the effort pelple make to field the best possible team.
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It is a matter of personal preference. If you want the strongest team to win then there should be no head to head nor playoffs it should be total points. "Head to head" is a lie anyway, the other team has no effect on the number of points you score that way.Since most people agree that total points all season is boring we all play head to head. Once you have conceded that, then you might as well tinker it to personal choice because it is no longer a "pure" competition.
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:thumbup: This is absolutely correct.
 
j3r3m3y said:
Cherry pie is the best, any one who thinks another type is better is a stupid loser!!
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:thumbup: Please link this thread in October when all the LOSERS start filling up the boards with their stupid HALLOWEEN PUMPKIN PIE ROCKS idiot threads!!!11
 
Brock Middlebrook said:
The number one seed could wind up playing both the 8/9 teams, as those teams are tied for thr last spot, while the 2 seed only has to play the 7 seed.being the two seed is better than being the one seed
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And, the number 1 & 2 seed sometimes play the 7 seed. Works both ways. I wish you were in my league because it would be easy money for me.
 
Regular season -- two "decisions" each week -- one win each week for head to head play and one win for landing in the top half in points. Top six on record make it in with points as tiebreaker.

Playoffs -- six teams, 2 byes; top 2 of 4 point getters week 1 move on; top 2 of 4 point getters week 2 move on; week 3 = championship game.

This system combines the best of both worlds - it is head to head play, but the teams that score the most wont get screwed by an unlucky schedule. Playoffs should be decided by high point getters, not a lucky matchup.

 
There are tons of different ways to play fantasy football

There is only one way it SHOULD be played

That one way is whatever you and your league mates agree upon prior to the start of the season

 
Not only do we use Total Points as the top tiebreaker for the playoffs, we use it to determine standings as well. Of course we scramble divisions each year where the odd drafting team is one division and the even drafting team is the other division. By scrambling divisions each year it should put less emphasis on division records as a tiebreaker. Having total points at the top not only favors the better team (as it should), it's a lot less hassle to determine the winner, especially if you take total points to two decimal places.

1) Overall Winning Percentage

2) Total Points Scored

3) Head to Head Record

4) Divisional Winning Percentage

5) Power Rank

 
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Mario Kart said:
Brock Middlebrook said:
The number one seed could wind up playing both the 8/9 teams, as those teams are tied for thr last spot, while the 2 seed only has to play the 7 seed.being the two seed is better than being the one seed
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And, the number 1 & 2 seed sometimes play the 7 seed. Works both ways.
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Still a disadvantage to the 1 seed as he has to beat two teams that week. Justify it all you want but people who understand math will probably agree it is a less than desirable system. Not that I am telling you how you should play, that's up to you. But if you think this is a statistically more "fair" model you are mistaken.
I wish you were in my league because it would be easy money for me.
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This is soooooo 2003.
 
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Philo said:
j3r3m3y said:
Cherry pie is the best, any one who thinks another type is better is a stupid loser!!
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:goodposting: Please link this thread in October when all the LOSERS start filling up the boards with their stupid HALLOWEEN PUMPKIN PIE ROCKS idiot threads!!!11
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I can't believe I didn't think to add that. Well played, sir. Well played.
 
j3r3m3y said:
Mario Kart said:
Brock Middlebrook said:
The number one seed could wind up playing both the 8/9 teams, as those teams are tied for thr last spot, while the 2 seed only has to play the 7 seed.being the two seed is better than being the one seed
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And, the number 1 & 2 seed sometimes play the 7 seed. Works both ways.
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Still a disadvantage to the 1 seed as he has to beat two teams that week. Justify it all you want but people who understand math will probably agree it is a less than desirable system. Not that I am telling you how you should play, that's up to you. But if you think this is a statistically more "fair" model you are mistaken.
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You are wrong.
 
Mario Kart said:
j3r3m3y said:
Mario Kart said:
Brock Middlebrook said:
The number one seed could wind up playing both the 8/9 teams, as those teams are tied for thr last spot, while the 2 seed only has to play the 7 seed.being the two seed is better than being the one seed
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And, the number 1 & 2 seed sometimes play the 7 seed. Works both ways.
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Still a disadvantage to the 1 seed as he has to beat two teams that week. Justify it all you want but people who understand math will probably agree it is a less than desirable system. Not that I am telling you how you should play, that's up to you. But if you think this is a statistically more "fair" model you are mistaken.
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You are wrong.
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You sure showed me. :coffee:
 
Mario Kart said:
Brock Middlebrook said:
The number one seed could wind up playing both the 8/9 teams, as those teams are tied for thr last spot, while the 2 seed only has to play the 7 seed.being the two seed is better than being the one seed
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And, the number 1 & 2 seed sometimes play the 7 seed. Works both ways. I wish you were in my league because it would be easy money for me.
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anyway you sliece it, the teams on the three-way are getting screwed. Also the highest seed in the three-way has a tougher road that at least one of his inferior seeds.feel free to present a counter example, listing all seeds and their matchups.
 
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