thanks, I can accept your point of view. Hate is a strong word though. Let's just say I don't see the admiration from purely a football standpoint.
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Tim Tebow - 8.17.21 Waived By Jacksonville (1 Viewer)
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fatness
Footballguy
No, they're not silly. If someone's going to show off their religion during games, and inject their religion into every postgame press conference, it's fair game for criticism. If he was crocheting instead of praying on the sideline, and answering football questions with answers about crocheting, that would be fair games as well. If Suggs said his team didn't need crocheting on their team, nobody would be butthurt.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Do you really think Tebow is on the sideline praying the whole game and not discussing with coaches adjustments etc to make.
You guys are being ridiculous if you think the coaches and or Tebow is not on the sidelines doing what all NFL qb's do.
I can just picture it now...
Fox..."Tebow come here and discuss this adjustment"
Tebow..."No I have to finish the rosary"
Look guys the camera waits for moments to capture things like that with Tebow. Give your heads a shake if you actually think Tebow is not doing everything in his power to gain a W.
I am not big into Religion at all. But to think it is a negative impact on Tebow's game is ridiculous. I think going to night clubs, partying, hooking up with chicks would be a far greater impact on players than Relgion. This Religion effecting his game schtick is silly.
You guys are being ridiculous if you think the coaches and or Tebow is not on the sidelines doing what all NFL qb's do.
I can just picture it now...
Fox..."Tebow come here and discuss this adjustment"
Tebow..."No I have to finish the rosary"
Look guys the camera waits for moments to capture things like that with Tebow. Give your heads a shake if you actually think Tebow is not doing everything in his power to gain a W.
I am not big into Religion at all. But to think it is a negative impact on Tebow's game is ridiculous. I think going to night clubs, partying, hooking up with chicks would be a far greater impact on players than Relgion. This Religion effecting his game schtick is silly.
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
This has been my main criticism of him. He doesn't get rid of the ball. He looks completely lost out there when it's time to throw the ball. Then you get those cute plays when he runs around in the backfield for 10 seconds and takes a 30 yard sack.'tom22406 said:Greg Cosell's take on Tebow is a very good read.He always tells it like it is
He breaks down the Chiefs game in this one
Some key points
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/01/04/cosells-watching-tebow-must-learn-how-to-pass/
moleculo
Footballguy
Speculation from Sandy Clough (Denver radio tool) that the Broncos may do the exact opposite of what you are suggesting... instead of a Tebow package for short yardage, bring in the Quinn package for obvious passing downs. In fact, Tebow and Quinn could even be on the field at the same time.Hey - can't be much worse, can he? It's not like Tebow is setting the league on fire right now, but you cannot deny the impact he has on the running game, nor Fox's desire to run the ball. This keeps Tebow as the guy, but gives Denver a chance on 3rd down.Again - just speculation, Clough's justification is that Broncos staff hasn't rejected the notion...they haven't denied that Quinn will be in the game plan.could get interesting.
I agree that it is fair game to talk about Tebow in terms of religion and never said otherwise. That does not make the Suggs comments any less silly and again I am a Suggs fan. I don't have a problem with the fact that Suggs said what he said, it does not bother me a bit. But the comment itself is silly (IMO).
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
This would be death for Quinn. He will come in out of rhythm and fail miserably in this role. Just don't tell Tebow to be so conservative and trust his instinct and throw the ball. Especially if the defence is in man to man coverage.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
First of all the guy's not Catholic (Rosary).Secondly, ok, I've seen it. Maybe they are just showing the shots when Tebow's on the sideline praying when the game's going on because that just fits the network theme. Maybe at the Carolina game I just noticed Newton walking around or sitting on the bench with a towel on his head and maybe that's just the shot they love to show on tv. Just an observation, maybe it's not fair or accurate but that's what I've seen. I sit right in front of the visitors bench at Saints games and i did not see a lot of confabbing with coaches or fellow players by Newton that's for sure.
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Hoss Style
Footballguy
This is a great point that I haven't seen brought up earlier. I hadn't looked at it this way before but after your posting it makes sense. I wouldn't say it's the major reason he's failing but it sure doesn't help. Great angle.
ivnabru
Footballguy
I'm not sure I'd consider Tebow or Newton smart quarterbacks, and certainly neither of them are experienced. But if a guy like Peyton was sitting on the sideline ignoring everyone else we'd probably give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he doesn't need the help of the coaching staff at that moment. They may be messing things up but this may be what works to keep Tebow/Cam calm or in whatever mindset they need to be in when they're playing. If it were a problem wouldn't the coaches say something especially with Tebow who knows he could lose his job sooner or later.
FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reports that the Broncos do plan to use Brady Quinn on third downs in Sunday's Wild Card game against the Steelers.
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/226053/report-broncos-will-use-brady-quinn-today
Eventually we may have to re-title this thread to: "The Tebow Era Ends"
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/226053/report-broncos-will-use-brady-quinn-today
Eventually we may have to re-title this thread to: "The Tebow Era Ends"
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Was pretty much the same thing at Jonestown.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
THROWING BOMBS!!!!!!!!!!!
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Well, I check in on this post every so often. It's halftime of the game. The Broncos are up.
John Fox, as he has done all season, is doing an excellent job of knowing his team's strengths and playing to them - win or lose. Five things need to happen for us to win not only this game but any game:
[*]We have to play great defense. If we play only good or worse then we usually lose. Today, so far, we are playing great.
[*]We have to play a team that doesn't have an explosive offense. Pitt's offense isn't explosive right now. With our D playing so well it's almost impossible for them to move the ball any significant amount.
[*]Tebow has to be able to make long throws when called upon. Our gameplan revolves around running the ball so much that the DBs and LBs of the opposing team sell-out to stop it. When they do we ask Tebow to chuck the ball and let our WRs beat the single coverage. Tebow's throws so far have almost all been exclusively long shots when our coaches think it's the best time. He's made them so far. His short passes have looked horrible - but we don't need those to win if the aforementioned "1" and "2" are true.
[*]Lastly, our run game has to be good. Not great - just good. This includes Tebow. He's a good runner who turns into a great runner in the red zone. If Tebow's completing the long passes it helps just enough to keep our run game effective.
[*]Don't turn the ball over too much. Turnovers happen but keep it to a minimum.
It's pretty simple. If we can do this in the second half, as well, then we win.
You'll see posters in this thread blame the coach, John Fox, when we lose. Those people don't know what they are talking about. There are tons of things he's done right and very few things he's done wrong. They bring absolutely no evidence to back up those claims. You'll see posters blame the WRs saying they drop too many passes or quit on routes too much - even though if you've watched every Bronco's game this year you know that we have a decent set of young WRs - especially now that Demaryius is healthy. There are bad drops and great catches like you'd expect from a young WR core. You'll see poster's blame everything from Elway "getting in Tebow's head" to the media affecting his thinking. Everyone is to blame except Tebow. I think most of can see this is just plain 'ol wrong. Most of us know that they are missing the point, anyway -
It's a team game. As a team we can win if the conditions are right. Our coach is coaching a team. Tebow is playing within the team. Our defense is playing as a team. Our O-line is, as well. Our offense is not geared to "let Tebow play", thank god. Our offense is geared to... *gasp* ... win.
As a Broncos fan I wouldn't have it any other way.
The second half has started. Gotta run. Go Broncos.
John Fox, as he has done all season, is doing an excellent job of knowing his team's strengths and playing to them - win or lose. Five things need to happen for us to win not only this game but any game:
[*]We have to play great defense. If we play only good or worse then we usually lose. Today, so far, we are playing great.
[*]We have to play a team that doesn't have an explosive offense. Pitt's offense isn't explosive right now. With our D playing so well it's almost impossible for them to move the ball any significant amount.
[*]Tebow has to be able to make long throws when called upon. Our gameplan revolves around running the ball so much that the DBs and LBs of the opposing team sell-out to stop it. When they do we ask Tebow to chuck the ball and let our WRs beat the single coverage. Tebow's throws so far have almost all been exclusively long shots when our coaches think it's the best time. He's made them so far. His short passes have looked horrible - but we don't need those to win if the aforementioned "1" and "2" are true.
[*]Lastly, our run game has to be good. Not great - just good. This includes Tebow. He's a good runner who turns into a great runner in the red zone. If Tebow's completing the long passes it helps just enough to keep our run game effective.
[*]Don't turn the ball over too much. Turnovers happen but keep it to a minimum.
It's pretty simple. If we can do this in the second half, as well, then we win.
You'll see posters in this thread blame the coach, John Fox, when we lose. Those people don't know what they are talking about. There are tons of things he's done right and very few things he's done wrong. They bring absolutely no evidence to back up those claims. You'll see posters blame the WRs saying they drop too many passes or quit on routes too much - even though if you've watched every Bronco's game this year you know that we have a decent set of young WRs - especially now that Demaryius is healthy. There are bad drops and great catches like you'd expect from a young WR core. You'll see poster's blame everything from Elway "getting in Tebow's head" to the media affecting his thinking. Everyone is to blame except Tebow. I think most of can see this is just plain 'ol wrong. Most of us know that they are missing the point, anyway -
It's a team game. As a team we can win if the conditions are right. Our coach is coaching a team. Tebow is playing within the team. Our defense is playing as a team. Our O-line is, as well. Our offense is not geared to "let Tebow play", thank god. Our offense is geared to... *gasp* ... win.
As a Broncos fan I wouldn't have it any other way.
The second half has started. Gotta run. Go Broncos.
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munchkin
Footballguy
In the four games I have watched Tebow play that is the best half of football he has played (IMHO).Its one thing for me to talk BS about the Broncos/Steelers game and yet another for the Steelers to believe all they need to do is show up.Hope to see Denver in Foxboro next weekend. Hats off to Tebow nd the Denver TEAM.....
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Defense has missed a few chances and it looks like Big Ben shot his ankle up at half time. He's not limpling nearly as much. So D is not "great" and Steelers making some explosive plays.
We are losing the 2nd half. Hopefully we get a score in these last 3 minutes and get the win. It'd be a shame to waste such a good first half of play.
We are losing the 2nd half. Hopefully we get a score in these last 3 minutes and get the win. It'd be a shame to waste such a good first half of play.
Chaka
Footballguy
His last missed pass of regulation was ugly and a killer. I mean, one hopping a pass on third down to an open receiver crossing over the middle that might have gotten them into field goal range, at the very least it would have extended the drive, is unforgivable. The pocket was collapsing but I have seen plenty of QBs complete that pass, not just the Tom Brady/Peyton Manning's of the NFL. If they lose this game that will be the failed play that killed them.
munchkin
Footballguy
Not really. Even if the Broncos lose they have played a much better game than many thought they would. They deserve kudos for that in and of itself.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm thinking the McGahee fumble and Champ dropping an INT in the end zone might be slightly bigger mistakes.
Chaka
Footballguy
Well, okay then.
Chaka
Footballguy
Agreed but this thread is about Tebow and his play and that play was almost a killer. But he hit Thomas just about perfectly, if slightly behind him, in OT so all is forgiven.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Has FavreCo closed this thread yet?
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Wow
FavreCo
Footballguy
Seems to be the standard statement when the Broncos win. In time as I have said before. He played a mistake free game and hit some big plays.Add 10 pages to this thread this week.
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TimTebow
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I love how Big Ben did the same thing like 6 times throughout the course of the game and every time the announcers blamed it on the collapsing pocket, but as soon as the same thing happened to Tebow it was all his fault.
KentGraham10
Footballguy
TEBOW HOLY HSIT
DoubleG
Footballguy
The Broncos didn't "win a game" - they won a playoff game. Against the Steelers. Your refusal to admit you were mistaken is laughable.Especially becuase if the Steelers would have been the team that pulled it out in OT, you would be chirping like a bird and making sig bets about who was the starter next year.Your Tebow hate is so 2011. And so is your weak sauce.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah I'm not sure I saw him do that six times and I don't recall it happening where he short hopped it a good 3-5 yards in front of the receiver on 3rd down with the game on the line, but maybe I am forgetting something. Plus he has those three pesky Super Bowl appearances and two victories. And before you jump all over me, and in case you haven't been paying attention, I have been praising Tebow for his good play in this thread as well as calling him out for his poor play.That miss on third down with 2 minutes left in the game was terrible and good QBs in that situation make that pass, or at least get it closer to the WR than 4 yards on the ground. I think he might be able to figure out the NFL game enough where his skill set is an advantage on a consistent basis, like he did tonight. But I don't consider that to be a mortal lock, and the jury is still out on what he can do against an opponent who will put up 35+ points against Denver. But we'll likely get to see that next week. The best thing Denver can hope for next week is driving blizzard in New England.
Chaka
Footballguy
Slow down. This was one game in the long maturation process of a young, talented QB. Shaun King won some playoff games too. TJ Yates did it yesterday. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Aberrations are not unheard of at the QB position in the NFL.The Broncos didn't "win a game" - they won a playoff game. Against the Steelers. Your refusal to admit you were mistaken is laughable.Especially becuase if the Steelers would have been the team that pulled it out in OT, you would be chirping like a bird and making sig bets about who was the starter next year.Your Tebow hate is so 2011. And so is your weak sauce.
FavreCo
Footballguy
The Broncos didn't "win a game" - they won a playoff game. Against the Steelers. Your refusal to admit you were mistaken is laughable.
Especially becuase if the Steelers would have been the team that pulled it out in OT, you would be chirping like a bird and making sig bets about who was the starter next year.
Your Tebow hate is so 2011. And so is your weak sauce.
What a surprise that you show up instantly and start blabbering aimlessly. 'It wasn't just a game, it was a playoff game'. 'It was against the Steelers' blah blah blah. You are so riduculous, that you cannot even interpret a statement correctly.What did I say right here, trollmeister? I must totally hate The Tebow.
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John Bender
Footballguy
FavreCo - shhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Chaka
Footballguy
Let's be fair here. The Steelers were a pretty wounded unit and they still almost pulled this game off.
This game isn't a referendum on Tebow's career anymore than a loss at New England will be next week. He showed some very good things this week, as well as some pretty bad throws as well. If I were a Denver fan I would be optimistic about his future but I wouldn't be anointing him the next John Elway just yet.
This game isn't a referendum on Tebow's career anymore than a loss at New England will be next week. He showed some very good things this week, as well as some pretty bad throws as well. If I were a Denver fan I would be optimistic about his future but I wouldn't be anointing him the next John Elway just yet.
FavreCo
Footballguy
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EBF
Footballguy
All of his throws on Thomas's big plays were right on the money.
OTOH, he completed less than 50% of his passes yet again. Gonna go out on a small limb and say 15 yards per attempt is not sustainable. His accuracy will need to be better next season if Denver wants to repeat the Cinderella act.
Nice win today, but Roeth is gimped and Pitt has been vulnerable lately. They struggled to put away the Browns last week in a must-win game. Kinda says it all. Ike Taylor got his ### handed to him by Thomas today. From an FF standpoint Thomas is the guy who comes out of this smelling like roses. No sign of that Achilles injury now.
OTOH, he completed less than 50% of his passes yet again. Gonna go out on a small limb and say 15 yards per attempt is not sustainable. His accuracy will need to be better next season if Denver wants to repeat the Cinderella act.
Nice win today, but Roeth is gimped and Pitt has been vulnerable lately. They struggled to put away the Browns last week in a must-win game. Kinda says it all. Ike Taylor got his ### handed to him by Thomas today. From an FF standpoint Thomas is the guy who comes out of this smelling like roses. No sign of that Achilles injury now.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The talk about Pittsburgh shutting out Denver was pretty absurd in retrospect... but also should have been seen that way in advance.
Also Thomas is a hell of a receiver, that needs to be part of the Tebow equation moving forward.
An the facts about the Steeler offense were plain to see, they had played pretty poorly for the last several games outside of the Batch game vs St Louis and the Cincy game.
But Tebow has again shown some great things. He is not playing superlative classic modern passing football, he is playing an older now different kind of football. And it still works. Denver seems to be doing a lot of the things San Fran has done well with but right now who would you rather have as a QB, Tebow or Alex Smith?
Also Thomas is a hell of a receiver, that needs to be part of the Tebow equation moving forward.
An the facts about the Steeler offense were plain to see, they had played pretty poorly for the last several games outside of the Batch game vs St Louis and the Cincy game.
But Tebow has again shown some great things. He is not playing superlative classic modern passing football, he is playing an older now different kind of football. And it still works. Denver seems to be doing a lot of the things San Fran has done well with but right now who would you rather have as a QB, Tebow or Alex Smith?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Tebow got me THREE points against the Chiefs in my title game last week. I lost by six.
Today, of course, he's Steve Young.
Today, of course, he's Steve Young.
