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***OFFICIAL*** Steelers 2012 Thread (1 Viewer)

'The Hank said:
'Kenny Powers said:
'Frenchy Fuqua said:
'Kenny Powers said:
'Godsbrother said:
Ideally you would like to think that Colon can come back and play OT but I am not sure that you can count on that. They definitely need a OG so getting two starting lineman in the draft is a lot to ask when you also have holes at NT, LB and safety.

I just hope this is the last season we have to deal with Kemoeatu and Essex.
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Im at the point where I dont think Colon is worth the risk anymore. He cant stay healthy, and I dont think its the right call to hope he can this year or in the future. I definitely hope Kemo is gone.I dont see how safety is a bigger hole than CB. Everybody, including myself, seems on board with going OG/OT, NT, or ILB in the 1st but I dont think CB should be overlooked either.
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Article in the PG today suggesting CB play next year will be better than this year with the continued development of Keenan Lewis and Cortez Allen + Curtis Brown entering their 2nd year. Should be three decent young corners there to go with Ike. That also assumes that Willie Gay and McFadden don't come back, I think we'd all agree on those exits being upgrades.Everyone likes Polamalu and Clark at safety but with both in their 30s wouldn't be a bad time to look at a ballhawk there if one fell on our lap.
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McFadden leaving is a foregone conclusion to me at this point, but who knows. I think Gay has a good shot at being back and right now, is a better nickel CB than Lewis, Cortez the Killer, and Brown. That said, its not like they would be signing him for only a year or two, so it might be more wise to let him walk and hope one or 2 of the 3 mentioned guys step up.As far as CB prospects for us, maybe that guy Dennard from NEB slips to us, but I know nothing about him (Kiper actually has Dre Kirkpatrick 22, but I dont see how he drops out of the top 10). Janoris Jenkins could be there but I doubt the Steelers would take him for character issues.

If they do go safety, I like Mark Barron from Bama a lot. Real nice ball skills and instincts and great against the run.
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17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

That's 2.7 MIL the Steelers need. He's the team's 5th CB (Behind Ike, K Lewis, C. Brown, C. Allen), and thats not even including Gay (whos a FA).



He's as good as gone. In fact, that may be the very first transaction the Steelers make!
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'BigSteelThrill said:
So, we were at 149 million and the cap should be about 124 million, before any moves.

Moves...

Woodley free's up 6,5m

McFadden 2,5m

Battle 1,0m

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil)

10. Chris Kemoeatu ($5.3 mil)

11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)

14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)

15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)

16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)

17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

24. WR Arnaz Battle ($1.0 mil)

32.0 million total on these
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I actually think Foote stays, he played well in relief of Farrior, and as much as I love Stevenson Sylvester, I think he needs a little bit more seasoning before giving him the reigns to ILB with Timmons.
 
'The Hank said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
So, we were at 149 million and the cap should be about 124 million, before any moves.

Moves...

Woodley free's up 6,5m

McFadden 2,5m

Battle 1,0m

6. NT Casey Hampton ($8.1 mil)

10. Chris Kemoeatu ($5.3 mil)

11. WR Hines Ward ($4.6 mil)

14. LB James Farrior ($3.8 mil)

15. LB Larry Foote ($3.6 mil)

16. T Jonathan Scott ($2.7 mil)

17. CB Bryant McFadden ($2.7 mil)

24. WR Arnaz Battle ($1.0 mil)

32.0 million total on these
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I actually think Foote stays, he played well in relief of Farrior, and as much as I love Stevenson Sylvester, I think he needs a little bit more seasoning before giving him the reigns to ILB with Timmons.
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Im pretty much indifferent as far as which Id rather stay of Farrior and Foote. 1 should be cut and the other should be cut/renegotiated for the vet minimum. Neither is worth over 1.5M. If they dont like that, they we might as well sign a FA ILB. Right now were wasting 7.4M of space of those has beens.
 
'Kenny Powers said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
According to Whetstone at Scout, these 2 moves free up roughly another $2.5M towards the cap.
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Only 2.5?Battle was at 1.0 and McFadden at 2.5.
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OP says Mcfadden 2.7 and Battle 1.4...I think they freed up 3.5M in space, I guess the other 0.6M goes as a cap penalty Id assume?
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read here, if you care. poster "Ian Whetstone" is one of the more reliable sources that I know of, for knowing what the hell is going on with salaries, bonuses, deferred bonuses, cap hits and all that junk. I've been reading/lurking on that board for a good number of years and while I don't always agree with his take on things, his numbers are almost never off.He claims Woodley restructure + these 2 cuts free about $9m towards the cap. http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68&f=1897&t=8682548
 
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
'Kenny Powers said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
According to Whetstone at Scout, these 2 moves free up roughly another $2.5M towards the cap.
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Only 2.5?Battle was at 1.0 and McFadden at 2.5.
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OP says Mcfadden 2.7 and Battle 1.4...I think they freed up 3.5M in space, I guess the other 0.6M goes as a cap penalty Id assume?
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read here, if you care. poster "Ian Whetstone" is one of the more reliable sources that I know of, for knowing what the hell is going on with salaries, bonuses, deferred bonuses, cap hits and all that junk. I've been reading/lurking on that board for a good number of years and while I don't always agree with his take on things, his numbers are almost never off.He claims Woodley restructure + these 2 cuts free about $9m towards the cap. http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68&f=1897&t=8682548
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Didnt mean you as OP, meant OP of this thread had the 2.7M and 1.4M numbers...Whetstone didnt actually show his math anywhere I could see in your link. I dont see how $4.1M in cuts (of low salary guys so the cap hit should be less) ends up only being actually $2.5M
 
'Drunken Cowboy said:
Steelers Salary Cap

My go to website for Steelers cap info
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Looks pretty accurate, and would make sense with my assumption that the Steelers have 0.6M of dead money from Battle and McFadden, which on there comes to 0.492M. Im guessing the remainder comes from Woodley's restructure.Also, the 2 things that stick out like a sore thumb are that Timmons will make the 2nd most money of any Steeler this year, and that Starks still has $2M dead money from his contract when we cut him previously. Oof!

 
'Kenny Powers said:
Starks still has $2M dead money from his contract when we cut him previously. Oof!
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Hated that cut then, but they said he was way out of shape. Ive always been pro-Starks though. I like when he gets his hands and people tosses em about. And I also like that he always guards our Qbs and Rbs after the play.
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Kenny Powers said:
Starks still has $2M dead money from his contract when we cut him previously. Oof!
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Hated that cut then, but they said he was way out of shape. Ive always been pro-Starks though. I like when he gets his hands and people tosses em about. And I also like that he always guards our Qbs and Rbs after the play.
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Was unsure of the cut based on hearing the same stuff as you mentioned, but that contract was an albatross from the beginning. Similar to Kemo and Colon's right now, though unsure of the cap penalty cutting them would incur.
 
Also, Saunders suspension is apparently PED-related..dont see the need to cut him over that. He's already more worthwhile than David Johnson.

 
'Kenny Powers said:
Also, Saunders suspension is apparently PED-related..dont see the need to cut him over that. He's already more worthwhile than David Johnson.
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I'm hearing Adderall for ADD treatment. Barely worthy of the PED classification, particularly when used therapeutically.Same thing Austin Pettis was nicked for last season.
 
Haley installed as Steelers' offensive coordinator

Thursday, February 09, 2012

By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Todd Haley orchestrated one of the best and most dangerous passing games in the National Football League when he was the offensive coordinator with the Arizona Cardinals.

When he became head coach in Kansas City, the Chiefs had the No. 1 rushing attack in the league.

Now, as the new offensive coordinator with the Steelers, he said "the emphasis will be on winning," whether that means throwing the ball with Ben Roethlisberger or running the ball "63 times a game."

Haley also said the Steelers offense will retain some of what they did for five years under Bruce Arians. He also said the terminology they used in Arizona and the philosophy he adopted under former Steelers offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt will be beneficial with the transition in his new role.

But he also added, "We're going to start with a clean slate and what gives us the best possible chance to succeed."

Haley, 44, who grew up in Upper St. Clair, was introduced to the media today at a noon press conference at the team's South Side facility,

"There's a lot of talk about systems, offense and defense, and I believe you do what gives you the best chance to succeed," Haley said. "If the best chance to succeed is running 63 times a game, you run 63 times a game.

"The transition is always, I don't want to say difficult, but there's an uncomfortable aspect to the newness. But that's not always a bad thing."

Coach Mike Tomlin said today that the transition to Haley's offense is "going to be a challenge," but he added, "We find pleasure in that being a mystery."

Haley went through three offensive coordinators in his 2 ?? seasons as head coach in Kansas City, firing Chan Gailey during the preseason of his rookie year and losing Charlie Weis after one season in 2010. He promoted offensive line coach Bill Muir to that position in 2011.

Curiously, the Chiefs were the lowest scoring team in the AFC and second lowest in the NFL in 2011, managing just 218 points. The Steelers finished 21st in scoring despite having a 4,000-yard quarterback, two 1,000-yard receivers and a running game that averaged 4.4 yards per carry -- its best average since the 2001 season.

Their failure to score more points was pointed up by team president Art Rooney II as a concern during a state of the Steelers address after their playoff loss in Denver.

"There are very high expectations in the city of Pittsburgh," Haley said. "I understand what's expected. That's why I'm excited, to come back and be a part of this great tradition. We have one goal -- to win as many games as we can and to win championships."

Haley said he has not met with Roethlisberger, who had a close relationship with Arians and was not happy when his contract was not renewed. And he is not worried that his reputation as a coach who is not afraid to get in the face and scream at his players will have an adverse affect on the two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback.

"It's about the end result," Haley said. "These guys appreciate that. One thing that I've found out, when they know that's what you care about, they're fine with that. Players want to know you have their best and grandest desires at the top of your list."

Haley has bloodlines with the Steelers because his dad, ****, was the team's personnel director from 1971 to 1990. He also had a chance to become the team's receivers coach for Bill Cowher in 2004, but he declined the offer to become an assistant coach with the Dallas Cowboys.

"He clearly brings intangibles we really value," Tomlin said. "I talked to a lot of people and did a lot of research, and I was impressed by his resume but also his love for the Pittsburgh Steelers. That was really unique to me.

"I always will be attracted to guys who have an appreciation for the Pittsburgh Steelers and legitimately embrace the standards that are ours."

Said Haley: "All my early memories in life revolved around the Steelers. Those things have stayed with me and are a part of who I am and what I am. In my mind, this is the greatest organization and the greatest team in the NFL, and that comes from the heart."

Read more: http://www.postgazette.com/pg/12040/1209178-100-0.stm#ixzz1lucq1YQl
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'BigSteelThrill said:
'The Hank said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'JoeSteeler said:
Timmons has restructured freeing up $5.14M in cap space :thumbup:
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Currently at 127.5m :thumbup:
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Still have Troy Polamalu, Ben Roethlisberger and James Harrison left to restructure too... :thumbup: We should be under the cap before we make any more roster moves.
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Kemo really has to go, right?
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Yeah, he will get cut eventually. Although it makes more sense to cut some guys in June when you can spread out the hit for cutting them instead of having it all count for this year. I think if we wait to cut Kemoeatu after June 1st we can save over $3.5 million on the 2012 cap.
 
'LTF said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'The Hank said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'JoeSteeler said:
Timmons has restructured freeing up $5.14M in cap space :thumbup:
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Currently at 127.5m :thumbup:
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Still have Troy Polamalu, Ben Roethlisberger and James Harrison left to restructure too... :thumbup: We should be under the cap before we make any more roster moves.
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Kemo really has to go, right?
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Yeah, he will get cut eventually. Although it makes more sense to cut some guys in June when you can spread out the hit for cutting them instead of having it all count for this year. I think if we wait to cut Kemoeatu after June 1st we can save over $3.5 million on the 2012 cap.
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Then Kemo effectively pays for the rookie crop.
 
'LTF said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'The Hank said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'JoeSteeler said:
Timmons has restructured freeing up $5.14M in cap space :thumbup:
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Currently at 127.5m :thumbup:
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Still have Troy Polamalu, Ben Roethlisberger and James Harrison left to restructure too... :thumbup: We should be under the cap before we make any more roster moves.
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Kemo really has to go, right?
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Yeah, he will get cut eventually. Although it makes more sense to cut some guys in June when you can spread out the hit for cutting them instead of having it all count for this year. I think if we wait to cut Kemoeatu after June 1st we can save over $3.5 million on the 2012 cap.
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They have to do something about the Big Snack -- no way he stays with an $8 million cap hit. Same with Ward and his $4.6 million. Aaron Smith will likely retire or be cut which would free another $3 million. And they may cut either Farrior or Foote, both have cap charge of > $3.5 million.
 
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@jimwexell: Florio reports Timmons/Woodley add up to 11.7M. Add 3.54M from BMac, Battle, only need to get down 9.76M more Piece of cake.

 
'Godsbrother said:
'JoeSteeler said:
Restricted free agent Mike Wallace will attract plenty of interest now that the maximum tender is at the first-round level, so the team must have the available funds to match offers.
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Can someone explain to me exactly what this means? Thanks.
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Pretty sure that it means that another team can make Wallace a sizable offer and if the Steelers can't match it he is gone.
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what about "now that the maximum tender is at the first round level"?

 
'JoeSteeler said:
'Godsbrother said:
'JoeSteeler said:
Restricted free agent Mike Wallace will attract plenty of interest now that the maximum tender is at the first-round level, so the team must have the available funds to match offers.
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Can someone explain to me exactly what this means? Thanks.
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Pretty sure that it means that another team can make Wallace a sizable offer and if the Steelers can't match it he is gone.
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what about "now that the maximum tender is at the first round level"?
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A team has to give up a 1st round pick... no longer a 1st + 3rd.
 
Lots more to come:

Gotta think Snack's deal is reworked or he's flat cut.

Smith is all but certain to retire.

Kemo is likely gone.

One of Farrior or Foote will likely be gone.

Ben, Troy, and/or Harrison may still be restructuring.

All in all Khan seems to be counting on a big jump in TV revenues in 2013, but there's lots of flexibility to get well under in 2012 and make a play for Wallace and/or help in FA.

 
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@EdBouchette: #Steelers exec Omar Khan decides not to pursue Rams GM job. Rooney gave Rams permission to talk to him, but that never happened.

 
So is Hines retiring or did the Steelers just tell him they wont bring him back next year thus far? Im hoping he retires but I think he's going to play another 1-2 years somewhere. Better be out of the division and not NE is all I care. I think it was best for the Steelers to let him go than keep him around $2M (if he would even agree to that).

Of course I like all these restructures getting us increasingly closer to the cap, but it worries me because if the cap doesnt significantly increase in the next few years, we will be f'd in 2-3 due to pushing all this money forward.

 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'JoeSteeler said:
'Godsbrother said:
'JoeSteeler said:
Restricted free agent Mike Wallace will attract plenty of interest now that the maximum tender is at the first-round level, so the team must have the available funds to match offers.
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Can someone explain to me exactly what this means? Thanks.
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Pretty sure that it means that another team can make Wallace a sizable offer and if the Steelers can't match it he is gone.
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what about "now that the maximum tender is at the first round level"?
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A team has to give up a 1st round pick... no longer a 1st + 3rd.
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So why did it decrease?With our cap situation, I wouldnt be surprised at all if we cant match another teams offer.

That said, maybe it would be best if that happens and we end up with two 1st round picks next year :unsure:

 
'Kenny Powers said:
So is Hines retiring or did the Steelers just tell him they wont bring him back next year thus far?
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Hines WardI don't normally like to respond to rumors, but as I've said all along, I want to finish my career with the Pittsburgh Steelers. And as I've already told the organization, I am willing to work with them to restructure my contract to make sure this happens. - HINESLike · · Share · 4 hours ago ·
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Hines is going to hit the cap at 1.2m whether he is on the team or not.

If he will come back for that amount as the #4/5 it makes sense since that's counting against regardless.

That's a tough roster spot to use on a 5-10 snap per game guy that doesn't play special teams tho.

If he wants to finish his career as a Steeler it would be best for the team if he simply retired now.

 
'treat88 said:
Hines is going to hit the cap at 1.2m whether he is on the team or not.If he will come back for that amount as the #4/5 it makes sense since that's counting against regardless.That's a tough roster spot to use on a 5-10 snap per game guy that doesn't play special teams tho. If he wants to finish his career as a Steeler it would be best for the team if he simply retired now.
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I love Hines Ward, but he is done and was done two yrs ago. In Superbowl vs GB they knew they did not have to worry about Hines beyond 10 yds. Hopefully he retires and I really don't see any other team signing him. Game tape does not lie and he is finished and the whole league knows it.
 
'treat88 said:
Hines is going to hit the cap at 1.2m whether he is on the team or not.If he will come back for that amount as the #4/5 it makes sense since that's counting against regardless.That's a tough roster spot to use on a 5-10 snap per game guy that doesn't play special teams tho. If he wants to finish his career as a Steeler it would be best for the team if he simply retired now.
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Vet minimum is $1.4M, no? I dont think that 2K is a big deal and would be worth holding onto him, but Id guess he thinks some other team would pay him more.ETA: I think if he was willing to take the vet min he wouldve already renogiated his contract
 
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'Kenny Powers said:
'treat88 said:
Hines is going to hit the cap at 1.2m whether he is on the team or not.If he will come back for that amount as the #4/5 it makes sense since that's counting against regardless.That's a tough roster spot to use on a 5-10 snap per game guy that doesn't play special teams tho. If he wants to finish his career as a Steeler it would be best for the team if he simply retired now.
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Vet minimum is $1.4M, no? I dont think that 2K is a big deal and would be worth holding onto him, but Id guess he thinks some other team would pay him more.ETA: I think if he was willing to take the vet min he wouldve already renogiated his contract
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Vet min is 925k.The 1.2 mil cap number is what is left as the guaranteed portion of his signing bonus after proration.The decision point for Hines, if he is willing to play for 1.2m, is the roster spot, not the money. It's going to cost someone a job to carry a WR that doesn't play on teams and it's going to impact our depth on that unit.Personally, I think they need every dollar possible to hook up Wallace and if it's not possible to do that to bring Cotch back. Hines needs to hang it up.
 
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