duaneok66
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good post.
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Mike Wallace to be Tendered, not tagged (1 Viewer)
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treat88
Footballguy
The bolded is the crux of the matter now isn't it? My crystal ball isn't functioning quite as well as yours obviously is...I don't think it is near that certain other teams make a play for Wallace. I guess we will see shortly.I'm betting Colbert knows more about the salary cap and Wallace's market than you or I do, so my money is on the way he's played his cards.
If no offers are forthcoming, Wallace ends up in a pretty tough spot.
I don't think it is as much as teams wanting to overpay him, but more having to overpay him AND give up a 1st, that is the key here. If he was a UFA, doubt he would be back in Pitt, just not sure they would be able to match other offers. But that price tag and the 1st round pick is the part that might keep him in Pitt.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
You are assuming that the Steelers made this RFA tender on Wallace to get him at 2.7 million for 2012. This is your logic fail. The Steelers put the tender on Wallace because they could not afford the franchise tag.If you are up for a friendly bet, let me know.
treat88
Footballguy
No, as I mentioned above, I'm assuming they put the RFA tender on him as a placeholder to work out a long term extension when they have significantly more leverage. If no tenders are offered, it will be a choice between play for the RFA, hold out, or sign a more cap favorable long term deal.Your logic fail is not recognizing that the Steelers have the cap room to franchise Wallace if they so choose. They have chosen not to for multiple reasons including the long term cap health of the team.
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Casting Couch
Footballguy
The key to your statement is If no tenders are offered .The whole plan is blown out if Wallace is offered one lucrative contract.
treat88
Footballguy
100% true.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
If the Steelers could afford the franchise tag they would have done it. The RFA tender does not give the Steelers more leverage, it gives them less. If another team front loads a big contract to Wallace, the Steelers will not be able to match. They do not have the money under the cap. The Steelers will not be getting Wallace for 2.7 million, there is a zero chance of that. The other 31 teams in the NFL are not going to sit around and let the Steelers have Wallace for nothing and you can take that to the bank.This does not mean that I think Wallace is gone. This does not mean that the Steelers did the wrong thing. It just means they did the best they could with their cap limitations. This was not some sort of genius move by the Steelers organization. It was just the only move they could make to try to retain Wallace. They are letting the market set the price for him, and that price may be too high for them to match.
To quote you exactly in a copy and paste: "I'm betting the RFA tender holds and they work out a more cap friendly long term deal before camp instead of him playing out the season for 2.7 mil." That statement means that you do not think anyone will offer Wallace a contract and that the Steelers performed some sort of genius move because no one wants to give up a late first rounder. I am telling you that you are WAY OFF BASE. 2.7 million is chump change for a player like Wallace and he will get other offers. When he gets a big offer that he signs, that contract will be sent to the Steelers front office to review and see if they can match. There is no "leverage". It becomes a boolean logical data type. Either they match or they do not. Wallace is going to go for the money and the 49ers have already said they are going to offer him a contract.
For fantasy football purposes, I hope Wallace stays with the Steelers.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
And this is why I offered the friendly wager. Way off base.
treat88
Footballguy
Not going to go back and forth about this. You can have the final word if you choose.First, the Steelers do have the cap space to franchise Wallace. As I type this they are 12 mill under with vets that are easily cut, RFA's TBD and more contracts to be restructured if needed. They could 100% afford to tag Wallace if they wanted to.
Second, I never indicated I expect Wallace to play for his RFA tender. I indicated that if no one offers a tender prior to the draft I expect them to work out a long term deal. I agree 2.7 is chump change for Wallace (which is why I mentioned the likely options), but that's not another team's decision point. The decision point is a 1st rounder+9ish mil per with 25+ mil guaranteed. If a team comes with a lesser offer, sure they will match...just don't see why a team would do that knowing where the Steelers are cap wise.
Third, this isn't a "genius move" by Colbert, not sure where that comes from...he's just playing his cards as strongly as possible.
I don't think a team will make that kind of offer....you do. You are awfully confident in your prediction and that's cool. Again, if he gets no tenders Wallace is kind of hung out to dry as far as negotiations go.
Tell ya what, when we know what happens you can quote me and point and laugh if I'm wrong..fair enough?
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
This sounds much better than him going to NE, CIN, BAL, HOU, etc
pghrob
Footballguy
From 3/6/12 at http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Why-Wallace-wasnt-tagged/d875fdd8-f306-4c7f-a4e9-fce3cca8e47c
“There is no choice,” said Colbert. “Mike will get a tender that would require a team having to give us a first-round pick if he signs with them and we choose not to match it. We understand there could be offers that come in. Mike is a significant player. Ultimately it’s our decision whether or not we are going to match an offer (that he might get). We still have control over the situation, even though he could get offers from the outside. Ultimately we’ll make the decision whether Mike is going to be a Steeler or not.”
But Colbert reiterated that the Steelers are very interested in keeping Wallace.
“We want Mike to finish his career here,” said Colbert. “That will factor into our decision. You have the same right of first refusal on any offer he gets. If he was franchised, you would have to account for a significantly higher amount under your cap, which means we would have had to cut more players. You have to weigh that against the chances you’re going to have to match whatever kind of offer he gets.
“Using the franchise tag was an option, but we decided not to.”
From 3/7/12 at http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/03/steelers-still-hold-strong-leverage-with-mike-wallace/
“There is no choice,” said Colbert. “Mike will get a tender that would require a team having to give us a first-round pick if he signs with them and we choose not to match it. We understand there could be offers that come in. Mike is a significant player. Ultimately it’s our decision whether or not we are going to match an offer (that he might get). We still have control over the situation, even though he could get offers from the outside. Ultimately we’ll make the decision whether Mike is going to be a Steeler or not.”
But Colbert reiterated that the Steelers are very interested in keeping Wallace.
“We want Mike to finish his career here,” said Colbert. “That will factor into our decision. You have the same right of first refusal on any offer he gets. If he was franchised, you would have to account for a significantly higher amount under your cap, which means we would have had to cut more players. You have to weigh that against the chances you’re going to have to match whatever kind of offer he gets.
“Using the franchise tag was an option, but we decided not to.”
From 3/7/12 at http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/03/steelers-still-hold-strong-leverage-with-mike-wallace/
Touchdown There
Footballguy
I don't laugh when other people are wrong because I am not out to get anyone. I think it is 50/50 that Wallace stays or goes. I really hope that no one offers up a big enough contract to scare away the Steelers, because I think that him and Big Ben are on the same page. For ff purposes, if Wallace is lured away there is a good chance that he will post worse numbers, especially if Alex Smith is trying to get it to him deep.All I am saying here is that Wallace playing for 2.7 is not going to happen. We can remove it from the conversation.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I agree it's highly unlikely Wallace plays for $2.7M. How much do any of you think a team will be willing to offer him ON TOP OF a 1st round pick (I'm thinking $5.5-6.5)? Think it likely that the Steelers will be able to match what a team offers and play him for much less than the 9+ mil that a franchise tag would pay him.
I don't think there is any chance he signs an offer for 6 per. He would be better playing for the tender offer and being an UFA next year.
True question here, correct me if I'm wrong - the contract that the Steelers will need to match is the one that Wallace and his agent agree to in principle, which will be the best one they can get out of the theoretical competition between SF, NE, CIN, etc. Correct? If so - in theory - this isn't a simple matter of the 49ers putting a deal together that the Steelers might not match, but one in which they would also out-do the rest of the interested teams. This might be the pressure to push that number up there...This sounds much better than him going to NE, CIN, BAL, HOU, etc
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Yes on all accounts if Im reading that right.True question here, correct me if I'm wrong - the contract that the Steelers will need to match is the one that Wallace and his agent agree to in principle, which will be the best one they can get out of the theoretical competition between SF, NE, CIN, etc. Correct? If so - in theory - this isn't a simple matter of the 49ers putting a deal together that the Steelers might not match, but one in which they would also out-do the rest of the interested teams. This might be the pressure to push that number up there...This sounds much better than him going to NE, CIN, BAL, HOU, etc
cstu
Footballguy
He should get multiple offers that would be hard for the Steelers to match if he actually signed. However, he will likely give the Steelers a chance to offer him a comparable deal but my gut tells me they won't think it's worth it to give him as much money as he's been offered and miss out on the 1st. The offers will be lower than what they would be if he was a UFA but I still think $6M per year is within reason (that's what a 30 yo Boldin got and the Ravens gave up a 5th round pick).True question here, correct me if I'm wrong - the contract that the Steelers will need to match is the one that Wallace and his agent agree to in principle, which will be the best one they can get out of the theoretical competition between SF, NE, CIN, etc. Correct? If so - in theory - this isn't a simple matter of the 49ers putting a deal together that the Steelers might not match, but one in which they would also out-do the rest of the interested teams. This might be the pressure to push that number up there...This sounds much better than him going to NE, CIN, BAL, HOU, etc
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I dont see how PIT doesnt match an offer of $6MHe should get multiple offers that would be hard for the Steelers to match if he actually signed. However, he will likely give the Steelers a chance to offer him a comparable deal but my gut tells me they won't think it's worth it to give him as much money as he's been offered and miss out on the 1st. The offers will be lower than what they would be if he was a UFA but I still think $6M per year is within reason (that's what a 30 yo Boldin got and the Ravens gave up a 5th round pick).True question here, correct me if I'm wrong - the contract that the Steelers will need to match is the one that Wallace and his agent agree to in principle, which will be the best one they can get out of the theoretical competition between SF, NE, CIN, etc. Correct? If so - in theory - this isn't a simple matter of the 49ers putting a deal together that the Steelers might not match, but one in which they would also out-do the rest of the interested teams. This might be the pressure to push that number up there...This sounds much better than him going to NE, CIN, BAL, HOU, etc
cstu
Footballguy
What will make it difficult is that his offers will be front loaded so the Steelers will probably have to give him more guaranteed money to make up for it. Will the Steelers be willing to do that on top of giving up a 1st?I dont see how PIT doesnt match an offer of $6MHe should get multiple offers that would be hard for the Steelers to match if he actually signed. However, he will likely give the Steelers a chance to offer him a comparable deal but my gut tells me they won't think it's worth it to give him as much money as he's been offered and miss out on the 1st. The offers will be lower than what they would be if he was a UFA but I still think $6M per year is within reason (that's what a 30 yo Boldin got and the Ravens gave up a 5th round pick).True question here, correct me if I'm wrong - the contract that the Steelers will need to match is the one that Wallace and his agent agree to in principle, which will be the best one they can get out of the theoretical competition between SF, NE, CIN, etc. Correct? If so - in theory - this isn't a simple matter of the 49ers putting a deal together that the Steelers might not match, but one in which they would also out-do the rest of the interested teams. This might be the pressure to push that number up there...This sounds much better than him going to NE, CIN, BAL, HOU, etc
apalmer
Footballguy
A frontloaded contract that averages to $6 mil/yr. wouldn't be bad for the Steelers. They've freed up the cap room and that gives them Wallace at a lower number next year when they need to be able to work out a contract with Brown. I seriously doubt they see "not getting an extra 1st" as equal to "giving up a 1st".'cstu said:
cstu
Footballguy
In reality though it's the same thing. They are a smart team and have to take that into consideration.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Some teams will make him an offer, no doubt. But he may not sign it.It has to be enough to increase his value over what he and his agent think they will get long term in Pittsburgh if he just stays put and negotiates.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
RFA's cannot sign until the 17th.
duaneok66
Footballguy
thanks . . . fail on my part.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
@EdBouchette: "@soonerstodd: @EdBouchette what the percent that wallace will be back?" ... I'd guess 80
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Mike Wallace - WR - Steelers
NEWS: ESPN's Adam Schefter suggested on NFL Live Thursday that no teams are going to make a move on restricted free agent Mike Wallace "unless circumstances change."
ANALYSIS: "Nobody's made a move," said Schefter. "Teams have debated it, but they're shying away from it right now." For cap reasons, former salary cap official and current CBS analyst Pat Kirwin believes teams will continue to shy away from Wallace until the NFL Draft draws near in April.
~Reported and Sent from the NEW Rotoworld Fantasy News iPhone and iPad App.
NEWS: ESPN's Adam Schefter suggested on NFL Live Thursday that no teams are going to make a move on restricted free agent Mike Wallace "unless circumstances change."
ANALYSIS: "Nobody's made a move," said Schefter. "Teams have debated it, but they're shying away from it right now." For cap reasons, former salary cap official and current CBS analyst Pat Kirwin believes teams will continue to shy away from Wallace until the NFL Draft draws near in April.
~Reported and Sent from the NEW Rotoworld Fantasy News iPhone and iPad App.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
@AdamSchefter: RT @BlitzMSC: Any interest in Mike Wallace from other teams? ... Not so far. Still could happen. But Pittsburgh's gamble looking good.
Shutout
Footballguy
I actually called in and talked to Pat and T-Roc about this on their show on Wednesday.
Pat made a few points that I think really explains the lack of activity and, in general, really debunks the idea that the Steelers are letting the field set the market (as was being listed earlier in this post as a genius strategy).
He says that there WILL be offers and one of the teams used a lot in his example was the Niners as being a team that will be willing to pony up their team's original draft pick.
He also says the numbers will be enticing as you would expect.
He says in situations like this, it is just the nature of the beast to wait this out. If someone jumps the gun and you want the player, you can always join the fray. But otherwise, you wait and you let things play out and it gives you a better idea of what is available, like seeing what other teams that need WR are doing...maybe you see all these teams sign guys and you now think a good rookie will fall in the draft, etc.
But, in general, you wait, and let the Steelers be forced to conduct their business and sign their targeted FAs and spend their money and then you go in at the end and make a fair deal to the player and you stick a signing bonus or roster bonus amount on it that makes it incredibly difficult for the Steelers to do something with. The actual contract doesn't really matter in terms of something the Steelers have to deal with, over the length of the contract, but the amount you have to deal with right now to get a contract is hard for the Steelers.
So, for people thinking that the Steelers are letting the league set the market and its a win/win for them because then they get to choose to take draft picks and free up money and all, its really quite the opposite. It is a decision they HAD to make because they have long term cap issues to deal with and they wouldn't want to do this if they didn't have to because now they are really handcuffed. They may have other Free agent interests but they have to be VERY careful about signing other guys and spending money because they pretty much have to sit on their money and hope to use it to retain Wallace. Of course,they could lose the FA and Wallace at the end by waiting. Kevin Colbert is correct in a sense that, yes, they have control because, in the end, they DO get to make a decision, but trust me, its not the control they would like to have. Both Pat and T-Roc both believe Wallace is gone and both mentioned that retaining Wallace really puts them up against the wall next year with Antonio Brown.
Keep in mind that this comes from a guy who used to do this for a living and that Kevin colbert is a frequent guest on their show. So when they went through this scenario, they clearly were saying its not impossible for the Steelers but they spoke in a manner where it was obvious they were sympathetic for their friend because they see it as a very difficult situation for the Steelers as it is far from the ideal way to handle this. They expect the Steeelers to sit on the sidelines during FA, watch players they could use go elsewhere, and hold their line and hope to get Wallace back but will likely lose him.
matttyl
Footballguy
I heard you on there! Good stuff! One thing I still don't fully understand is concerning a contract offer that Wallace might get. Yesterday a Steelers fan called in and was asking about what type of contract that Wallace SHOULD get from the Steelers. The guys on there asked the fan, "who do you like better - Wallace or DeSean Jackson?" Without hesitation the called shouted, "Wallace of course." Then they asked, "who do you like better, Wallace or Vincent Jackson?" The caller paused for a second, and then said based on age he'd rather have Wallace.The guys then said what the deals were that both D Jax and V Jax signed this past week (5 year $50M and up). The caller went silent....knowing that the Steelers can't afford that.And I guess that brings me to my point. Lets say the 49ers are interested in Wallace. Do they have to offer Wallace a contract comparable to the deals of D/V Jax, or do they only have to offer up something that Pittsburgh can't match? I mean, can they offer Wallace 5 years/$30M (under market value), but with $11M or something first year (just enough that Pittsburgh can't match it). Yeah, that's "front-end loading", which you really don't want to get this Skins fan all fired up about....but is that something that San Fran could do?Also, no matter what he's offered on the market - Wallace does have the ability to choose to stay with the Steelers for this last year, correct? I mean, if he is offered a contract that is "under market value", but one that the Steelers can't match, Wallace can just say "no thanks"?
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Yes. He doesn't have to sign any offer sheet he receives. That's why this talk about front-loading a contract doesn't really make any sense. Wallace isn't going to sign any offer sheet that pays him under market value, he'll just play under the tender this year and then break the bank next year as a UFA when all 31 teams can make a play for him without giving up a first-round pick.His agent can also come to the Steelers with any offer sheet he gets and say : "Hey, San Francisco just offered Mike $50 million over 5 years, with $26 the first year and $6 million each year afterward." Sure, the Steelers wouldn't be able to "match" that, but they could come back and say : "We'll give you $55 million over 5 years, with $20 million as a signing bonus and $7 million per thereafter if you re-sign with us." Wallace could then choose to take the Steelers' deal if he truly wants to stay there as he says he does.Or, the Steelers can tell him to go for it, refuse to match, and take the 1st rounder and the cap space to shore up other areas and/or extend Antonio Brown.
Shutout
Footballguy
I was listening to that call yesterday.I think the point that Pat was making yesterday on that one was to illustrate how the market has changed for WRs now and that is the type of deal it takes now to lock up really good WRS.Do you remember when he also pointed out that Wallace is only 26 and that Brown has a decision to be made on him next year also (especially if he continues to play as he did last year)? When they said that, they started talking about the stuff from the day before and mentioned a scenario where Wallace's agent is most likely going to approach the team and say this is the basis of what we want to work with. It is what his peers are getting but, by the way, my guy is only 26. Its going to be HARD for the Steelers to do that in their opinion.But, to the other part you mentioned, the way they mention it when I have called or heard them talking to others is that it really is flexible, depending on what Wallace and the potential team will agree to and that there may be reasons for them to try to offer a long term deal or a short one (perhaps Wallace would like to hit FA again when he is 28 or 29 and hhe and his agent see the WR demand booning now). But in either case, they really underline the idea of a potential team throwing a lot of guaranteed money up front that the Steelers just can't swing. So, for example, what if the Ravens or Niners or whoever come to Wallace and say "we know these guys are signing 5 yr/ $50M deals and that $20M or so is guaranteed. What if we offer you a 2 yr/ $20M deal, but with all of it guranteed except the base? That would let us give you $10M right now (which Pitt can't touch), and its basically the same as pro-rated 5 yr/$50M deal, except you get all this guaranteed (which is the HUGE thing) and you get to hit FA again when you are 28 or 29? And if things are going well for everyone, we jsut give you a nice extension? Doesn't that sound like something that Wallace might like better?So, yeah, I think its really just what works and Wallace can make that decision or say no thanks to someone else, but I really think after listening to these guys that its really unrealistic that Wallace doesn't have a good paycheck coming his way relatively soon and a nice long term deal fairly soon (this year or next). I just don't know how the Steelers will combat that, especially long-term. I think Pat and T-Roc actually mentioned something yesterday about how the Steelers best chance might be contingent on if Wallace felt enough loyalty to give a home town discount or have some faith that the Steelers would take care of him later.
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RUSF18
Footballguy
He won't sign a contract that pays him considerably under market value, but he and his agent will need to weigh the cost/benefit of leaving however many million in non-guaranteed salary on the table by signing now, against earning $2.7MM this year and worrying about injury/poor performance/circumstances changing. VJax got $26MM in guaranteed money, DJax only $15MM. He's clearly not getting Megatron guaranteed money, so where would he land as an UFA? That $26MM from SF or whoever today sounds pretty good.
matttyl
Footballguy
Why would a team agree to a 2 year deal with Wallace, when they ALSO have to give up a first round pick in the process? What if things are going well for Wallace these next two years on the 49ers/Ravens/whoever...when he becomes a free agent again in 2 years yet again 31 teams will be trying to sign him for big money. As you said, he'd then be only 28 or so and would at that time have 4 solid years of production with him.
I think the ONLY way he goes to another team is with a deal of at least 4 years, cause I can't see a team being stupid enough to part with a 1st and roughly $10M per year to ONLY have him for 2 years....
I think the ONLY way he goes to another team is with a deal of at least 4 years, cause I can't see a team being stupid enough to part with a 1st and roughly $10M per year to ONLY have him for 2 years....
Shutout
Footballguy
I'd say you are right. I was just making an example from a standpoint of "what types of things would sound good enough to a player to make him think it is worth signing". Of course, the real advantage in all that is that you get the guy in the door. If you get him to come to your team, even on a 2-3 yr offer, he's yours. And then maybe next season when you have time to manage the cap, you extend him long term. Point being: First thing you do if you want him in 2012 is you get him on your team. Then you work out the long-term. I think anyone working with Wallace is going to approach it as a long-term thought; it just may be that you start somewhere different. But the key is if there are teams around the league that think highly enough of him, they need to get him now, before the Steelers have a chance to make a long term deal feasible. Before they have a chance to put a Franchise tag on him next year, etc. Under the RFA, they can talk to him. If they free up room under the cap by next year, they tag him and he can't leave (or they find a way to work out a long term deal within the next year. The time to pry him away is now.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
I really wish people would get off the boat of Wallace playing "under the tender" which basically means 2.7 million. Wallace was underpaid during his rookie contract. Do you think Wallace will be OK with 1/4th of his market value in year 4? Not going to happen. Even if the Steelers work out a temporary 1 year deal (which would be in order to buy time for long-term negotiations) it will not be for the 2.7 million.
apalmer
Footballguy
You're right, the only way it happens is if he has no (or very little) choice. If somebody out there is willing to offer him market rate ($10 mil/yr.) and fork over their first round pick to the Steelers, he'll grab it. If no one is willing to do that, though, he has to make a decision. If he's offered say $35 mil for 5 years, does he take it? That's upwards of $15 mil below market.. Is he better off with that or playing for $2.7 mil this year and then going for market value next year when there's no compensation to hold teams back? Assuming a good year, he'd stand to double or triple the $5 mil he loses this year by not taking the offer.
matttyl
Footballguy
I guess that was my question above. Teams really don't have to offer him "market value", just enough that the Steelers can't match it, and enough to really make him interested. I mean could the Steelers match a 5 year $42M deal lets say (with upfront $). I doubt it. Would Wallace take it? It'd be hard not to when the alternative is to play for $2.7M this year and hope he stays healthy AND remains productive. That's not a risk which I would take, but I'm not him.That way the Ravens/49ers/Pats sign him below market value (2 of them hurting a conference opponent, one of them a division opponent), and can "justify" the lost first round pick with the ~$8M that they "saved" signing him below market value.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Point taken. The crux of it, though, is that he can either play out the year and hit UFA next year, sign a long-term deal with Pittsburgh, or sign an offer sheet with another team that the Steelers don't match. My point is that I don't see him signing a long-term deal with another team that pays him less than he and his agent think he's worth just because they offered enough money in year 1 that the Steelers can't match under the cap, without even giving the Steelers a chance to counter. Pittsburgh can offer upfront money too, in the form of a prorated signing bonus, while not violating the cap. I can't see them signing an offer sheet without at least giving the Steelers the opportunity to negotiate a similar deal they can work out with their cap situation unless it's a massive take-it-or-leave it offer, in which case, the Steelers wouldn't match regardless.
Shutout
Footballguy
By definition, the Steelers would have a right to match any deal another team offers before he is allowed to sign it. As far as signing something that appears less than what he thinks he is worth; the devil is in the details. I think it would depend on the guaranteed amount. I mean, looking at VJAX and DJAX's contract, if you offer him a 5 yr/ 45M contract but $35M is guaranteed and/or there is a voidable year, or any of a list of other things, then, yes, maybe they sign. NFL contracts really come down to the guaranteed amounts and the "money now" portion because teams and, to some degree, players, can force things to change in a hurry.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I don't recall anyone referring to the Steelers strategy as genius. The Steelers had basically two choices: either franchise him at $9+ million or offer him the $2.7 million tender.They are gambling that either no other team offers him a contract or if they do it is an offer the Steelers are willing and able to match. If they lose the gamble they get a 1st round pick as compensation.Pretty simple
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Shutout
Footballguy
go back and read the thread. It is full of posts about how the steelers control every aspect of this, how its a win/win, the steelers can't lose, its a great move and the Steelers hold all the cards, etc. Didn't know anyone was expecting quotes (although I never claimed to use one on the word). But the sentiment is the same; a lot of people protrayed this like it was a brilliant stroke where the Rooneys and Kevin colbert sit in throne rooms on bags of money and cackle at the commoners and fools (that is not a quote either).The reality is, like you mentioned, they didn't scheme this out; it was what they were up against and they CAN lose (which is contrast to what some of the earliest posts were saying where it was portrayed as if, no matter what happens, the Steelers would come out of this smelling like roses (not a quote).
cstu
Footballguy
He should get a little less than true market value since teams have to factor in the loss of their 1st. IMO Wallace wouldn't be able to turn down a deal like the bolded and I think he will get multiple offers.
cstu
Footballguy
The Steelers did the best they could given the circumstances. They don't hold the cards but at worst they get a 1st for Wallace, not the end of the world. The power is all in Wallace's hands since if he wants to leave there's nothing the Steelers can do to keep him.
KCitons
Footballguy
I would just like to point out that these talking heads are not 100% right all the time. You only need to look at the past 4 days to see that.
Prior to free agency:
Did anyone expect Super Mario to sign in Buffalo?
Did anyone expect Brandon Marshall to be traded to Chicago? (or that Marshall was in another incident this past weekend)
Did anyone know that Manning had discussions AND a physical with the 49ers?
There are surprises every day. So, just because Shefter, Mort or Glazer think they know everything. They don't
Prior to free agency:
Did anyone expect Super Mario to sign in Buffalo?
Did anyone expect Brandon Marshall to be traded to Chicago? (or that Marshall was in another incident this past weekend)
Did anyone know that Manning had discussions AND a physical with the 49ers?
There are surprises every day. So, just because Shefter, Mort or Glazer think they know everything. They don't
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think the idea that the Steelers didn't scheme this out is laughable. The Steelers ONLY other option was to franchise Wallace. They either didn't feel like he was worth $9+ million or they didn't feel they could afford it. Now if you want to disagree with their assessment of Wallace's value or the Steelers cap situation then okay but that is different than saying the Steelers didn't think the situation through.The fact that the Steelers get a 1st round pick if they lose him isn't a stroke of genius but it, plus the additional cap space they save, does lessen the blow a little. That's all I am saying -- if you are interpreting that as "smelling like a rose" then okay I am guilty as charged.
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Not for nothin', but no one has claimed this anywhere in this thread....other than maybe you every time you're assigning it to someone else.What most people who pay attention to the Steelers have been saying is that the Steelers control the outcome: They will have an opportunity to match any offer Wallace receives. If they choose not to, there will at least be some level of consolation rather than none if he were an untagged UFA.
Unless I blinked on re-read, no one has claimed it was "a great move", no one has claimed it was "a win/win(quite the opposite actually and more than once) and no one has claimed it was "genius."
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