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I would rather have Flynn over Kolb.Who knows just because the Raiders trade for Flynn doesn't mean the Raiders still can't add Kolb as well to a cheap contract. Let Flynn, Pryor, and Kolb battle it out for the starting job.
I would rather have Flynn. This would be Kolb's third stop already and while it would be Flynn's third too he has never really been given a shot to show what he can do. By no means is he a lock to be good, but I would rather take a shot on his potential.
I think it is very unlikely Raiders get more for Palmer if anything at all. I think its more likely he is just released. Really good QBs can play in any system and I don't think we have nearly enough from Flynn to determine he can't play in any given system.
What are you talking about? You're not getting anything for Palmer. He's getting released -- if anything, a trade would net a 6th.
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanforaWith the Raiders on verge of a trade for Matt Flynn, the Cardinals are nearing a deal for former Raiders starter Carson Palmer.
Palmer is far better than the weak group of FA QBs available. A number of teams are in need of a good QB and the rookie class is almost as bad as the FA class. Trading Palmer should be easy and we should get more than we are paying for Flynn. I never said Flynn is a great QB. He's a system QB simuliar to Schaub. He'll be fine in a west coast system that features a lot of short to intermediate passes requiring accuracy and quick decisions. I kinda thought we were getting away from that after firing Knapp and hiring Olsen. I guess the plan now is to mix a Knapp like passing attack with a McFadden friendly running game. We'll see if it works.
It sounds like Olsen will at least be flexible and work with the personel on the team unlike Knapp. It will be an interesting season for sure.
I think you are overrating Palmer a bit and as far as Flynn I am not ready to just call him a system QB. I just do not think we have seen enough of him yet to make any determinations.
I'm sensing a trend. Is this the modern era of sports fans? At least Raiders fans have a reason to be mad even though Palmer doesnt deserve the blame. Seachicken fans dont even have a reason to be mad at Flynn.
Actually there are two reasons he isn't starting anywhere....Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson. Not bad reasons.
Actually the Raider fans do have a reason to be mad at Palmer. He refused to take a reasonable contract offer that would free up money the Raiders could use to improve the team elsewhere. His contract, which wasn't negotiated by the Raiders, far exceeds his value. Rather than be a team player, like Vick did with the Eagles, Palmer would rather be a backup on another team, revealing his lack of heart as well as his selfish nature.Like I said before, good riddens.'UnknownCoach said:
That's why you thought he was dynasty QB 8 last year, huh?http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=637235'ImTheScientist said:
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Cards just need to wait for the Raiders to cut Palmer, not a long list of teams looking for Mr. Palmer and his contract.'Faust said:
Like us Raider fans haven't been tortured enough during the past decade, they will probably make us wait until next Thursday or Friday before we hear anything.
I agree, I still think Oakland looks at QB in the draft but I think it will be later in the draft maybe 3rd or 4th round. I think they will try hard to trade back in the 1st and gain more picks.
If bringing in "Reggie's guys" is about saving real cash to Mark Davis's wallet, then yes I agree. This move is about saving real cash money this year and setting up next season's capspace.UnknownCoach said:
There is zero evidence that the first part of what you say is true. The second part about setting up next year's cap, I agree with. Most moves this offseason have been to set the team up for the future. 2013 is a salary dump year and as much of the dead cap as possible is being shoved into it.
Regarding the bolded. Mark chose to pay $6.25 Million in real money to Flynn to avoid paying $13 Million in real money to Palmer. That's real cash savings in the here and now. Forgetting about cap and dead money and so forth.
Why would you choose to forget the last part of what you said? That could be (and hopefully is) the main reason for Flynn, besides his own upside as a player. Going from $13 MM to $6.25 MM this year could have little to nothing to do with it. Why Flynn over Palmer? 1. Huge cap savings next year, even if we keep him, just when all the other cap savings come to play anyway and we are actually able to rebuild instead of tear down. 2. Flynn has shown upside in this league. Maybe he takes the job and runs with it. We know what Palmer is and slightly above average is the best he'll ever be again, it seems. 3. Little to no risk if Flynn busts. He can be cut next season with zero cap hit. And if he busts this year, it's the dead cap year anyway. 4. At minimum he provides a stop gap and competition for Pryor and/or who ever the Raiders draft at QB in the next year or two. 5. Fresh blood and energy instead of a stale 33-yr old, who has already told outsiders that he thinks Raider fans have it in for him because of the 1st/2nd round pick trade that brought him. That's a LOSER's mentality! I think all of these reasons trump your Mark is a cheap owner thought process. Maybe you are right, but like I said, there is no evidence yet to support it.
