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[Dynasty] 2014 Draft Prospects (1 Viewer)

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Ohio State senior RB Carlos Hyde is a mid to late first-round pick.
Kiper adds Hyde is likely the first running back off the board "if he runs well," and questions if the Browns might take a look. We love how far Hyde has come this season and he dominates on first contact, but we highly doubt Hyde is a first-round selection. In fact, we doubt a running back is selected in the first 32 picks.

Source: Mel Kiper on Twitter
I'm starting to come around on Hyde some as well, despite his lack of cutting ability. Guy's just a load with good speed, and he gets to full speed pretty quick too for such a big back. I think he has really good vision as well; I like that he doesn't dance around in the backfield at all. If he ends up in a good situation he's prob a good bet for a top 5 pick in rookie drafts.
Can he catch a football? Right now he isn't used that way. He's no 1st rounder if he can't catch. Ground and pound is dead in the NFL except to those teams with coaching staffs who haven't adapted.

 
lod01 said:
Time Kibitzer said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Ohio State senior RB Carlos Hyde is a mid to late first-round pick.
Kiper adds Hyde is likely the first running back off the board "if he runs well," and questions if the Browns might take a look. We love how far Hyde has come this season and he dominates on first contact, but we highly doubt Hyde is a first-round selection. In fact, we doubt a running back is selected in the first 32 picks.

Source: Mel Kiper on Twitter
I'm starting to come around on Hyde some as well, despite his lack of cutting ability. Guy's just a load with good speed, and he gets to full speed pretty quick too for such a big back. I think he has really good vision as well; I like that he doesn't dance around in the backfield at all. If he ends up in a good situation he's prob a good bet for a top 5 pick in rookie drafts.
Can he catch a football? Right now he isn't used that way. He's no 1st rounder if he can't catch. Ground and pound is dead in the NFL except to those teams with coaching staffs who haven't adapted.
Marshawn Lynch...Eddie Lacy...Frank Gore...Ryan Mathews...Alfred Morris...all top 20 backs who aren't involved much in the passing game.

 
ZWK said:
Looking at some RB stats (long runs, short yardage success rate, ypc) and combining them to get a single ranking, here is a leaderboard of the RBs with the top numbers this season (min 100 carries):

Tevin Coleman Indiana SO

Lache Seastrunk Baylor JR

Melvin Gordon Wisconsin SO

Carlos Hyde Ohio State SR

Terry Baggett Army JR

Javorius Allen USC SO

Charles Ross Rice SR

Jeremy Hill LSU SO

Kapri Bibbs CSU SO

Henry Josey Missouri JR

Shock Linwood Baylor FR

Byron Marshall Oregon SO

Stephen Houston Indiana SR

T.J. Yeldon Alabama SO

Michael Gordon Ark St SO

Devonta Freeman FSU JR

Antonio Andrews Western Ky SR

Thomas Tyner Oregon FR

Kenneth Dixon La Tech SO

Bishop Sankey Washington JR

Of course, these numbers reflect the team & the system (and luck) as well as the player.

Players not making the top 20 (out of 70 RBs that I looked at) include James White (#22), Andre Williams (#25), Tre Mason (#30), Ameer Abdullah (#35), Charles Sims (#43), Ka'Deem Carey (#44), and Marion Grice (#52).
Thanks for this. I found your rookie posts really interesting last year. I have one question on an omission though: where's Todd Gurley?
 
Rotoworld:

Wisconsin redshirt sophomore RB Melvin Gordon has requested an evaluation from the NFL Draft Advisory Board.

"It's what he wants to do, I'm going to respect that and support it," head coach Gary Andersen said. Gordon is reportedly the only non-senior Badger to test NFL draft waters. Our own Josh Norris considers Gordon the top draft-eligible prospect at his position, and Gordon might be wise to get ahead of next year's loaded running back class. He compares favorably to Jamaal Charles.


Source: Benjamin Worgull on Twitter
 
lod01 said:
Time Kibitzer said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Ohio State senior RB Carlos Hyde is a mid to late first-round pick.
Kiper adds Hyde is likely the first running back off the board "if he runs well," and questions if the Browns might take a look. We love how far Hyde has come this season and he dominates on first contact, but we highly doubt Hyde is a first-round selection. In fact, we doubt a running back is selected in the first 32 picks.

Source: Mel Kiper on Twitter
I'm starting to come around on Hyde some as well, despite his lack of cutting ability. Guy's just a load with good speed, and he gets to full speed pretty quick too for such a big back. I think he has really good vision as well; I like that he doesn't dance around in the backfield at all. If he ends up in a good situation he's prob a good bet for a top 5 pick in rookie drafts.
Can he catch a football? Right now he isn't used that way. He's no 1st rounder if he can't catch. Ground and pound is dead in the NFL except to those teams with coaching staffs who haven't adapted.
Marshawn Lynch...Eddie Lacy...Frank Gore...Ryan Mathews...Alfred Morris...all top 20 backs who aren't involved much in the passing game.
Lynch can catch.

Frank Gore caught tons before Harbug

Matthews can catch. Not sure about Lacy.

Sure they are top 20 but your best catch lots of passes. 3 down backs catch passes. Charles, McCoy. Forte, Moreno. That's the type of back I want in the 1st Rd.

 
lod01 said:
Time Kibitzer said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Ohio State senior RB Carlos Hyde is a mid to late first-round pick.
Kiper adds Hyde is likely the first running back off the board "if he runs well," and questions if the Browns might take a look. We love how far Hyde has come this season and he dominates on first contact, but we highly doubt Hyde is a first-round selection. In fact, we doubt a running back is selected in the first 32 picks.

Source: Mel Kiper on Twitter
I'm starting to come around on Hyde some as well, despite his lack of cutting ability. Guy's just a load with good speed, and he gets to full speed pretty quick too for such a big back. I think he has really good vision as well; I like that he doesn't dance around in the backfield at all. If he ends up in a good situation he's prob a good bet for a top 5 pick in rookie drafts.
Can he catch a football? Right now he isn't used that way. He's no 1st rounder if he can't catch. Ground and pound is dead in the NFL except to those teams with coaching staffs who haven't adapted.
If you consider Lynch to be a good pass-catcher, I think Hyde can definitely put up those kind of receiving numbers; but personally I consider Lynch to put up pretty mediocre receiver. But guys like Hyde/Lynch/Lacy don't need to be stud receivers, they're the kind of players who are guaranteed ~20 carries a game and 10+ rushing TDs a season, so they can most certainly be fantasy studs without putting up 50+ receptions a year.

Anyway, here's a nice catch he made from his junior season that shows of some receiving skills.

 
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Xue said:
water1 said:
Tre Mason was moved up to the #2 ranked RB on draft scout after is huge day against Missouri in the SEC Championship Game. Could this be one of those RB we were all hoping would come out of nowhere this year? He doesn't look very fast but he seems to finish his runs well and he sets his blocks up good too.
He didn't get any more talented or show me anything I hadn't already seen before. I don't understand these 1-game overreactions by a major media outlet, among others. It's like they didn't even know who he was before the game even though he plays in the SEC. I'm still waiting for them to put Ameer Abdullah in the top 5.
It is about writers having to write about something . Even the amateur scouts on this board evaluate players based on several performances if not a complete body of work. The idea that a player rises or falls week to week is silly when a scout has no way of breaking every players after every single game.

 
lod01 said:
Time Kibitzer said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Ohio State senior RB Carlos Hyde is a mid to late first-round pick.
Kiper adds Hyde is likely the first running back off the board "if he runs well," and questions if the Browns might take a look. We love how far Hyde has come this season and he dominates on first contact, but we highly doubt Hyde is a first-round selection. In fact, we doubt a running back is selected in the first 32 picks.

Source: Mel Kiper on Twitter
I'm starting to come around on Hyde some as well, despite his lack of cutting ability. Guy's just a load with good speed, and he gets to full speed pretty quick too for such a big back. I think he has really good vision as well; I like that he doesn't dance around in the backfield at all. If he ends up in a good situation he's prob a good bet for a top 5 pick in rookie drafts.
Can he catch a football? Right now he isn't used that way. He's no 1st rounder if he can't catch. Ground and pound is dead in the NFL except to those teams with coaching staffs who haven't adapted.
Marshawn Lynch...Eddie Lacy...Frank Gore...Ryan Mathews...Alfred Morris...all top 20 backs who aren't involved much in the passing game.
Lynch can catch.

Frank Gore caught tons before Harbug

Matthews can catch. Not sure about Lacy.

Sure they are top 20 but your best catch lots of passes. 3 down backs catch passes. Charles, McCoy. Forte, Moreno. That's the type of back I want in the 1st Rd.
Most later 1st round rookie picks flop. A lot of early ones do too, but the hit rate is much better than the back half.

If I can get a guy like Shady in the late 1st, and there's one available, I'll pick him, but if there's not I'm picking the best of the flawed backs. Not the guy that could be an asset in the passing game and you hope to develop as a runner. That's how you end up with dredge like Isaiah Pead.

 
lod01 said:
Time Kibitzer said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Ohio State senior RB Carlos Hyde is a mid to late first-round pick.
Kiper adds Hyde is likely the first running back off the board "if he runs well," and questions if the Browns might take a look. We love how far Hyde has come this season and he dominates on first contact, but we highly doubt Hyde is a first-round selection. In fact, we doubt a running back is selected in the first 32 picks.

Source: Mel Kiper on Twitter
I'm starting to come around on Hyde some as well, despite his lack of cutting ability. Guy's just a load with good speed, and he gets to full speed pretty quick too for such a big back. I think he has really good vision as well; I like that he doesn't dance around in the backfield at all. If he ends up in a good situation he's prob a good bet for a top 5 pick in rookie drafts.
Can he catch a football? Right now he isn't used that way. He's no 1st rounder if he can't catch. Ground and pound is dead in the NFL except to those teams with coaching staffs who haven't adapted.
If you consider Lynch to be a good pass-catcher, I think Hyde can definitely put up those kind of receiving numbers; but personally I consider Lynch to put up pretty mediocre receiver. But guys like Hyde/Lynch/Lacy don't need to be stud receivers, they're the kind of players who are guaranteed ~20 carries a game and 10+ rushing TDs a season, so they can most certainly be fantasy studs without putting up 50+ receptions a year.

Anyway, here's a nice catch he made from his junior season that shows of some receiving skills.
There is nothing in Hyde's body of work to suggest he is either good or bad in the passing game. He could develop into one, but expecting it and working it into your rankings...I don't recommend that game. That's a nice catch he showed there, but in context it means much less if he can't pass protect.

 
lod01 said:
Time Kibitzer said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Ohio State senior RB Carlos Hyde is a mid to late first-round pick.
Kiper adds Hyde is likely the first running back off the board "if he runs well," and questions if the Browns might take a look. We love how far Hyde has come this season and he dominates on first contact, but we highly doubt Hyde is a first-round selection. In fact, we doubt a running back is selected in the first 32 picks.

Source: Mel Kiper on Twitter
I'm starting to come around on Hyde some as well, despite his lack of cutting ability. Guy's just a load with good speed, and he gets to full speed pretty quick too for such a big back. I think he has really good vision as well; I like that he doesn't dance around in the backfield at all. If he ends up in a good situation he's prob a good bet for a top 5 pick in rookie drafts.
Can he catch a football? Right now he isn't used that way. He's no 1st rounder if he can't catch. Ground and pound is dead in the NFL except to those teams with coaching staffs who haven't adapted.
If you consider Lynch to be a good pass-catcher, I think Hyde can definitely put up those kind of receiving numbers; but personally I consider Lynch to put up pretty mediocre receiver. But guys like Hyde/Lynch/Lacy don't need to be stud receivers, they're the kind of players who are guaranteed ~20 carries a game and 10+ rushing TDs a season, so they can most certainly be fantasy studs without putting up 50+ receptions a year.

Anyway, here's a nice catch he made from his junior season that shows of some receiving skills.
There is nothing in Hyde's body of work to suggest he is either good or bad in the passing game. He could develop into one, but expecting it and working it into your rankings...I don't recommend that game. That's a nice catch he showed there, but in context it means much less if he can't pass protect.
I think it'd be fair to assume he isn't going to be that good in the passing game in the NFL. I don't think any of the top 20 RBs in receiving stats this year in the NFL failed to have a ~25+ reception season in college except for Jamaal Charles, though he did have a sick yards per catch stat every year at Texas on his ~15 receptions a year. Does that mean Hyde definitely won't put up great receiving stats in the NFL? No, but I think it's awfully more likely that he won't than that he will.

Still, I think he can be serviceable in the passing game, especially since his big body and tenacity should help him to be at least serviceable in pass protection. And being serviceable in the passing game is all a big back like Hyde needs to potentially be a fantasy stud.

 
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We've heard before about Hyde's pass protection... supposedly pretty solid in that area.

And if I'm not mistaken, some of the stats ZWK posted that reviewed all of the "big" RBs in this upcoming draft favored Hyde as a 3-down guy. He may not be your prototypical receiving RB, but I don't think he's a complete zero in the receiving department either. At the very least, he should probably get an opportunity to be a 3-down guy unless there's a Woodhead/Sproles/Vereen type on his team.

Rotoworld:

Former Ohio State offensive lineman Andrew Moses praised senior RB Carlos Hyde's pass protection ability.

"Unlike most backs, Hyde is an effective and stout pass blocker," Moses writes. "On multiple occasions this year, Hyde alone has knocked the defense end on his back... With as many spread formations as Ohio State utilizes in Urban Meyer's offense, Hyde's pass blocking is an important element to the OSU air attack." This is a pivotal piece of running back evaluations in today's NFL, and will likely allow Hyde to play sooner than many of his peers.


Source: Cleveland.com
 
There is nothing in Hyde's body of work to suggest he is either good or bad in the passing game. He could develop into one, but expecting it and working it into your rankings...I don't recommend that game. That's a nice catch he showed there, but in context it means much less if he can't pass protect.
That's my problem. He's a guy that you don't take just becasue he was drafted in the 1st rd. He's a guy that IF he's taken in the 1st and you are eyeballing him, you better pay close attention to the minicamp and training camp reports. Of course if he went to a team like SF, don't worry about it. They are too stupid to even know how to use a RB out of the backfield.

 
lod01 said:
Time Kibitzer said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Ohio State senior RB Carlos Hyde is a mid to late first-round pick.

Kiper adds Hyde is likely the first running back off the board "if he runs well," and questions if the Browns might take a look. We love how far Hyde has come this season and he dominates on first contact, but we highly doubt Hyde is a first-round selection. In fact, we doubt a running back is selected in the first 32 picks.

Source: Mel Kiper on Twitter
I'm starting to come around on Hyde some as well, despite his lack of cutting ability. Guy's just a load with good speed, and he gets to full speed pretty quick too for such a big back. I think he has really good vision as well; I like that he doesn't dance around in the backfield at all. If he ends up in a good situation he's prob a good bet for a top 5 pick in rookie drafts.
Can he catch a football? Right now he isn't used that way. He's no 1st rounder if he can't catch. Ground and pound is dead in the NFL except to those teams with coaching staffs who haven't adapted.
Marshawn Lynch...Eddie Lacy...Frank Gore...Ryan Mathews...Alfred Morris...all top 20 backs who aren't involved much in the passing game.
I'm having a really hard time grasping that statement. As said previously, Gore isn't really used in the receiving game as much since Harbaugh came to SF. Lynch I could agree with more as he only came near 50 catches once. Mathews though just seems utterly absurd. Now with Woodhead in SD, he doesn't see much 3rd down work, but he caught 50 balls his 2nd season in 14 games, along with 39 balls last year in 12 games. That statement is mildly inaccurate.

 
ZWK said:
Looking at some RB stats (long runs, short yardage success rate, ypc) and combining them to get a single ranking, here is a leaderboard of the RBs with the top numbers this season (min 100 carries):

Tevin Coleman Indiana SO

Lache Seastrunk Baylor JR

Melvin Gordon Wisconsin SO

Carlos Hyde Ohio State SR

Terry Baggett Army JR

Javorius Allen USC SO

Charles Ross Rice SR

Jeremy Hill LSU SO

Kapri Bibbs CSU SO

Henry Josey Missouri JR

Shock Linwood Baylor FR

Byron Marshall Oregon SO

Stephen Houston Indiana SR

T.J. Yeldon Alabama SO

Michael Gordon Ark St SO

Devonta Freeman FSU JR

Antonio Andrews Western Ky SR

Thomas Tyner Oregon FR

Kenneth Dixon La Tech SO

Bishop Sankey Washington JR

Of course, these numbers reflect the team & the system (and luck) as well as the player.

Players not making the top 20 (out of 70 RBs that I looked at) include James White (#22), Andre Williams (#25), Tre Mason (#30), Ameer Abdullah (#35), Charles Sims (#43), Ka'Deem Carey (#44), and Marion Grice (#52).
Thanks for this. I found your rookie posts really interesting last year. I have one question on an omission though: where's Todd Gurley?
Gurley is #23. I should mention that, if I broke this up into tiers, then Charles Ross (#7) would be at the end of one tier and Michael Gordon (#15) would be at the bottom of the next.

Also, I did not include any receiving stats here; if I did then guys like Gurley, Antonio Andrews, and Bishop Sankey would move up. It is a bit concerning that the 3 clear standouts of this draft class - Seastrunk, Gordon, and Hyde - have all done very little in the passing game.

I did find a few RBs who have very good numbers by these measures, but with less than 100 carries. These small sample size superstars are:

Robert Godhigh Ga Tech SR

Corey Grant Auburn JR

Elijah McGuire La-Lafytte FR

Karlos Williams FSU JR

Steward Butler Marshall SO

Shaquille Murray-Lawrence UNLV JR

James Wilder, Jr. FSU JR

Terrence Magee LSU JR

Dri Archer Kent State SR

 
We've heard before about Hyde's pass protection... supposedly pretty solid in that area.

And if I'm not mistaken, some of the stats ZWK posted that reviewed all of the "big" RBs in this upcoming draft favored Hyde as a 3-down guy. He may not be your prototypical receiving RB, but I don't think he's a complete zero in the receiving department either. At the very least, he should probably get an opportunity to be a 3-down guy unless there's a Woodhead/Sproles/Vereen type on his team.

Rotoworld:

Former Ohio State offensive lineman Andrew Moses praised senior RB Carlos Hyde's pass protection ability.

"Unlike most backs, Hyde is an effective and stout pass blocker," Moses writes. "On multiple occasions this year, Hyde alone has knocked the defense end on his back... With as many spread formations as Ohio State utilizes in Urban Meyer's offense, Hyde's pass blocking is an important element to the OSU air attack." This is a pivotal piece of running back evaluations in today's NFL, and will likely allow Hyde to play sooner than many of his peers.


Source: Cleveland.com
It was Greg Peshek who called Hyde an every-down back, but I think he was talking more about Hyde's ability to run inside & outside, and in short yardage, rather than about his role in the passing game.

 
Rotoworld:

Fresno State redshirt sophomore WR Davante Adams has requested an evaluation from the NFL Draft Advisory Board.

Adams is not frequently mentioned among draft-eligible receivers, but there is a strong chance he jumps to the NFL. He and Derek Carr have thrived in Fresno State's offense, and Adams impresses in yards after the catch and elevating to high point. Many believe he was the reason Jalen Saunders transferred to Oklahoma, as coaches prepared to move Saunders inside to the slot.


Source: Jeremy Fowler on Twitter
 
lod01 said:
Time Kibitzer said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Ohio State senior RB Carlos Hyde is a mid to late first-round pick.

Kiper adds Hyde is likely the first running back off the board "if he runs well," and questions if the Browns might take a look. We love how far Hyde has come this season and he dominates on first contact, but we highly doubt Hyde is a first-round selection. In fact, we doubt a running back is selected in the first 32 picks.

Source: Mel Kiper on Twitter
I'm starting to come around on Hyde some as well, despite his lack of cutting ability. Guy's just a load with good speed, and he gets to full speed pretty quick too for such a big back. I think he has really good vision as well; I like that he doesn't dance around in the backfield at all. If he ends up in a good situation he's prob a good bet for a top 5 pick in rookie drafts.
Can he catch a football? Right now he isn't used that way. He's no 1st rounder if he can't catch. Ground and pound is dead in the NFL except to those teams with coaching staffs who haven't adapted.
Marshawn Lynch...Eddie Lacy...Frank Gore...Ryan Mathews...Alfred Morris...all top 20 backs who aren't involved much in the passing game.
I'm having a really hard time grasping that statement. As said previously, Gore isn't really used in the receiving game as much since Harbaugh came to SF. Lynch I could agree with more as he only came near 50 catches once. Mathews though just seems utterly absurd. Now with Woodhead in SD, he doesn't see much 3rd down work, but he caught 50 balls his 2nd season in 14 games, along with 39 balls last year in 12 games. That statement is mildly inaccurate.
current season only.
 
lod01 said:
Time Kibitzer said:
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Ohio State senior RB Carlos Hyde is a mid to late first-round pick.

Kiper adds Hyde is likely the first running back off the board "if he runs well," and questions if the Browns might take a look. We love how far Hyde has come this season and he dominates on first contact, but we highly doubt Hyde is a first-round selection. In fact, we doubt a running back is selected in the first 32 picks.

Source: Mel Kiper on Twitter
I'm starting to come around on Hyde some as well, despite his lack of cutting ability. Guy's just a load with good speed, and he gets to full speed pretty quick too for such a big back. I think he has really good vision as well; I like that he doesn't dance around in the backfield at all. If he ends up in a good situation he's prob a good bet for a top 5 pick in rookie drafts.
Can he catch a football? Right now he isn't used that way. He's no 1st rounder if he can't catch. Ground and pound is dead in the NFL except to those teams with coaching staffs who haven't adapted.
Marshawn Lynch...Eddie Lacy...Frank Gore...Ryan Mathews...Alfred Morris...all top 20 backs who aren't involved much in the passing game.
I'm having a really hard time grasping that statement. As said previously, Gore isn't really used in the receiving game as much since Harbaugh came to SF. Lynch I could agree with more as he only came near 50 catches once. Mathews though just seems utterly absurd. Now with Woodhead in SD, he doesn't see much 3rd down work, but he caught 50 balls his 2nd season in 14 games, along with 39 balls last year in 12 games. That statement is mildly inaccurate.
current season only.
Such sample size.

 
Any thoughts on Henry Josey? Looks to be a bit undersized but fast (ran a 10.52 100m in high school). Missed 2012 with an awful knee injury, but put up good stats in 2011 & 2013. Not many clips of him on YouTube, and the ones that are there mostly just show off his speed and not how he deals with tacklers. Has anyone watched some Missouri games and formed more of an opinion of him?

 
Big Board: Want a QB? Then you're in luck with this loaded class

by Rob Rang | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst

Dec. 13, 2013 3:55 AM ET
With the number of underclassmen declaring for the 2014 draft expected to challenge -- if not topple -- last year's record of 73 early entrants, the giving season might occur in early May rather than late December for NFL teams.

Scouts are especially excited about the quarterback class, which boasts one clear-cut first round talent in Fresno State senior Derek Carr and is expected to get a strong infusion with Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater, Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel, Central Florida's Blake Bortles and UCLA's Brett Hundley among the talented underclassmen considering making the jump.

The Big Board isn't a mock draft. There is no attention given to team needs or the projected selection order. It is simply a ranking of the 32 best prospects potentially eligible for the 2014 NFL draft.

1. DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina (6-6, 268, 4.65)*: There is no denying that by registering only three sacks (and zero forced fumbles) in the 2013 regular season, Clowney has failed to live up to expectations. He also enflamed concerns about his maturity with a Dec. 7 speeding ticket in which he was clocked at 110 mph. Clowney's red flags are real, but so is his talent. In 13 years of grading prospects for the NFL Draft, Clowney competes only with former No. 2 overall pick Julius Peppers (2002) as the most gifted I've ever seen.

2. QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville (6-3, 220, 4.65)*: In an era in which college quarterbacks' numbers are often inflated by short passes and relatively simplistic schemes, Bridgewater's sparkling production is due to Pro Bowl-caliber accuracy. His success (70.2 percent completion rate with 28 touchdowns against four interceptions) comes out of a pro-style offense that forces him to make tough throws. Bridgewater's slight frame and level of competition are concerns. Bridgewater's poise will be tested in the Florida Citrus Bowl on Dec. 28; he'll be facing his hometown Miami Hurricanes in the game most believe will be his last at the collegiate level.

3. OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA (6-4, 238, 4.73): A running back until last season, Barr has emerged as one of the elite prospects in the country and is my top-rated senior at any position. A powerful and fluid athlete at his best rushing off the edge, Barr was named the 2013 recipient of the LOTT Impact Award with 62 tackles, 20 tackles for loss, 10 sacks and five forced fumbles during the regular season.

4. QB Derek Carr, Fresno State (6-3, 215, 4.78): Carr's staggering production (70.1 completion percentage, 48 TDs, seven INTs) is certainly inflated by head coach Tim DeRuyter's QB-friendly spread attack and legitimately talented receiving corps, but there is no denying his talent. His release and velocity are as impressive as any college quarterback in the country. Back in 2002, his older brother David sealed up the No. 1 overall pick with a dominant performance at the Senior Bowl. It isn't out of the question that Derek could match the feat 12 years later.

5. OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M (6-5, 305, 5.14: The son of Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews, Jake proves the cliché true -- the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He has played well at left tackle this season after starring at right tackle during his first three years. Matthews is a terrific football player, demonstrating impressive technique, strength and consistency. He is not, however, an elite athlete and some view his future back on the right side in the NFL.

6. WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson (6-1, 200, 4.49)*: With 85 catches for 1,235 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2013, Watkins erased any memories of his disappointing sophomore campaign. He is an explosive athlete with impressive body control and natural hands to pluck the ball. Unlike some of his teammates, Watkins played well against Clemson's top opponents this season, including Florida State and South Carolina. Watkins' matchup against Ohio State's Bradley Roby in the Orange Bowl on Jan. 3 could be the most tantalizing one-on-one matchup of the bowl season.

7. CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State (5-11, 197, 4.52): Quick feet, loose hips and a fluid turning motion make Dennard a classic cover corner capable of shutting down half the field. His ability in coverage played a huge role in the Spartans' run to the Big Ten Championship, as was recognized with Dennard winning the Thorpe Award as the nation's elite defensive back.

8. OT Cyrus Kouandjio, Alabama (6-5, 312, 5.12)*: -- Nick Saban questioned draft analysts for pegging Kouandjio as a first-round talent before the season, but given the junior left tackle's exciting skill set, the projection has been an easy one. Athletic and aggressive, Kouandjio could overtake some of the other top tackles in this class should he elect to enter the draft a year early.

9. OT Cameron Erving, Florida State (6-5, 310, 5.26)*: Erving played in 13 games as a redshirt freshman defensive tackle, but looked like a natural when moved to left tackle a season ago, though he remains a bit inconsistent. Long, balanced and athletic, he's a hidden factor in the dynamic play of freshman quarterback Jameis Winston and could enjoy a "quiet" ride into the top 10 of the 2014 draft just as former Texas A&M left tackle Luke Joeckel did a year ago while blocking for Heisman winner Johnny Manziel.

10. OLB C.J. Mosley, Alabama (6-2, 232, 4.56): While a bit undersized, Mosley might be the best pound-for-pound player in the country. Athletic and instinctive, he is a true three-down linebacker capable of making plays against the run and pass. Mosley lacks the bulk scouts want in a pass rusher but his awareness in coverage is special.

11. OLB Khalil Mack, Buffalo (6-3, 248, 4.66): With a record-tying 75 career tackles for loss, Mack's statistics jump off the page. Against the most gifted opponents he faced this year (Ohio State, Connecticut), it was his game that jumped off the screen. His size, instincts and agility as an edge rusher make him equally intriguing to teams operating out of a 4-3 or 3-4 alignment.

12. OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M (6-5, 300, 5.15)*: Overshadowed by all of the talent on the Aggies' roster, Ogbuehi is an exciting prospect in his own right. A standout at right guard a year ago, Ogbuehi (pronounced ah-BOO-hee) took over for Jake Matthews at right tackle in 2013 and has excelled. Possessing long arms and light feet, Ogbuehi offers more upside than his more celebrated teammate, though he is not yet as polished.

13. WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M (6-5, 225, 4.58)*: Like his famous quarterback Johnny Manziel, Evans is only a redshirt sophomore, but he has a big decision to make after dominating the SEC most of the season. Deceptively fast and possessing great body control as well as timing, Evans is an exciting split end prospect who reminds scouts of Tampa Bay Buccaneers star Vincent Jackson. Of concern, however, is the fact that Evans struggled in his final two regular-season games, catching only eight passes for a combined 59 yards in losses to LSU and Missouri.

14. TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina (6-4, 245, 4.67)*: Ebron possesses a jaw-dropping combination of size and athleticism that has earned comparisons to 49ers star Vernon Davis. Like Davis, however, Ebron struggles with consistency, relying too much on his athleticism rather than dedicating himself to learning the finer techniques of the position. Ebron will forgo his senior season and enter the 2014 draft.

15. CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, Oregon (5-10, 190, 4.52)*: Lost in the hype of Oregon's offense are a number of highly regarded defenders, including Ekpre-Olomu, who combines great instincts, agility and physicality to shut down his side of the field. Ekpre-Olomu's toughness on the perimeter played a significant role in Oregon's victory against Oregon State in the Civil War; he posted 12 tackles (all solos), deflected three passes and intercepted another while helping to limit Beavers star WR Brandin Cooks.

16. OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan (6-7, 310, 5.04): Possessing an impressive combination of size, strength and toughness, Lewan has earned comparisons to former Michigan standout Jake Long throughout his career with the Wolverines. He certainly looked the part against Ohio State, dominating the action up front.

17. DL Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame (6-5, 303, 4.89)*: Offseason sports hernia surgery may have played a role in Tuitt weighing 20 pounds more this season than a year ago, and early on the extra weight seemed to be slowing him. He played much better over the second half of the season, however, and his athleticism and frame project well to either scheme in the NFL.

18. DE Trent Murphy, Stanford (6-6, 261, 4.85): Used as a standup outside linebacker as well as a down defensive lineman for the Cardinal, Murphy is equally impactful in the passing game, running game and on special teams due to his instincts, physicality and awareness. His play and production (58 tackles, 21.5 tackles for loss, 14 sacks) should have earned him the Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year award that went to Arizona defensive lineman Will Sutton. Though he has starred in Stanford's 3-4 scheme, Murphy projects best as a 4-3 defensive end in the NFL.

19. TE Jace Amaro, Texas Tech (6-5, 260, 4.67)*: The NFL is looking for seam threats rather than extra blockers at tight end in today's game, and there hasn't been a more impressive prospect in the country in 2013 in this role than Amaro, who finished the regular season with 98 catches for 1,240 yards and seven touchdowns. Scouts are beginning to mention the name Jimmy Graham when discussing the Red Raiders junior. After dropping a few passes against Texas in his regular-season finale Nov. 30, Amaro will be tested against an aggressive Arizona State defense in the Holiday Bowl on Dec. 30.

20. OT Greg Robinson, Auburn* (6-5, 320, 5.38): Redshirt offensive linemen rarely earn more than a whisper in scouting circles, but the buzz generating around the Tigers' star left tackle is venturing into deafening. Physical and tenacious, Robinson is a grizzly bear in the running game, mauling opponents with an exciting blend of size (6-5, 320 pounds), strength and athleticism. Auburn's reliance on the running game, however, has given Robinson few opportunities in pass protection, making him a bit of a boom-or-bust prospect at this early point.

21. WR Marqise Lee, Southern Cal (6-0, 195, 4.51)*: A nagging left knee injury has hampered Lee for much of the 2013 season, robbing the 2012 Biletnikof Award winner of his trademark elusiveness and acceleration. Finally healthy, he starred against Stanford on Nov. 16, helping guide the Trojans to an upset victory and seeming to solidify his stock -- only to register a relatively nondescript six grabs for 69 yards in a Nov. 30 loss to UCLA.

22. OG Cyril Richardson, Baylor (6-5, 335, 5.27): A dominating drive blocker who projects best at guard but spent the entire 2011 season protecting Robert Griffin III at left tackle, Richardson is massive, powerful and shockingly athletic. Richardson was recognized with the Jim Parker Award as the nation's top blocker and headlines a strong class of interior linemen.

23. OC Travis Swanson, Arkansas (6-4, 318, 5.26): If Richardson is the elite interior lineman of the 2014 senior class, Swanson ranks as a close second. Athletic, powerful and versatile (some view him as a potential guard convert), Swanson will continue former Wisconsin head coach Bret Bielema's tradition of churning out quality NFL prospects along the offensive line.

24. OLB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State (6-2, 226, 4.58)*: Shazier might be 10-15 pounds lighter than scouts would prefer, but his instincts, speed and bone-jarring hits make him a fearful defender that offenses must account for on every snap. No one played better for the Buckeyes against Michigan State in the Big Ten title game than Shazier, who recorded 12 tackles, two pass breakups and a blocked punt against the Spartans.

25. QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M (5-11, 210, 4.45)*: Manziel's vision, elusiveness and accuracy while on the move make him a mesmerizing prospect, but red flags were raised with mediocre performances against LSU and Missouri to end the regular season. Bottled in the pocket by both, Manziel was unable to throw his receivers open and he struggled. The NFL rule books have never been more accommodating to dual-threat passers, but consistent accuracy from the pocket remains the most critical element to quarterback play at the next level.

26. CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State (6-0, 200, 4.52): In terms of size, agility and speed, no cornerback offers a more intriguing skill-set than the Cowboys' star. Gilbert, a Thorpe Award finalist, led the Big 12 with six interceptions this season and has returned six kickoffs for touchdowns during his time in Stillwater.

27. QB Blake Bortles, Central Florida* (6-3, 230, 4.78): A prototypically built pocket passer with good awareness and anticipation, Bortles looks the part of an NFL starting quarterback. Should he star in UCF's Fiesta Bowl showdown with the explosive Baylor Bears, the junior could have a tough time ignoring the NFL buzz his play is building.

28. WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State* (5-10, 186, 4.52): Beavers coach Mike Riley has made a career out of finding undersized pass-catchers to star in his offense, but Cooks is a different level of athlete than Sammie Stroughter, Markus Wheaton and the Rodgers brothers (James and Jacquizz). Boasting a combination of elusiveness, acceleration and toughness that is earning comparisons to Percy Harvin, the Biletnikof Award finalist rewrote school and conference record books with 120 catches for 1,670 yards and 15 touchdowns in the regular season.

29. DT Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota (6-6, 311, 4.95): Blessed with an extraordinary combination of size and athleticism, Hageman could join Michael Brockers and Dontari Poe as recent big defensive tackles whose real rise up draft boards doesn't begin until the Scouting Combine. Hageman has looked unblockable at times, but he struggles with consistency.

30. CB Jason Verrett, TCU (5-10, 182, 4.49): Verrett lacks the size so en vogue in today's NFL, but agility and ball skills never go out of style for cornerbacks. Verrett led the Big 12 with 22 passes defended and six interceptions in 2012. Through the end of the 2013 regular season, he led again in pass deflections (16) while recording two pass thefts. While light, Verrett is scrappy and tenacious, making him an ideal nickel corner with the tackling ability to threaten on an occasional blitz.

31. TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington* (6-6, 276, 4.75): The third-year junior didn't enjoy the flashy season many projected, but that was largely due to the Huskies utilizing Seferian-Jenkins more as a blocker and decoy rather than as the focal point of their offense. He might not possess the straight-line speed of the two tight ends ranked higher on this list (UNC's Ebron, Texas Tech's Amaro), but the NFL will grade him highly for the same reason the Mackey Award Committee did -- he's the best all-around tight end in the country.

32. OG David Yankey, Stanford* (6-5, 314, 5.08): Another impressive performance against two-time defending Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year Will Sutton has Yankey's stock rising. Athletic and powerful, Yankey is earning similar grades from some clubs as his former teammate, David DeCastro, the No. 24 overall selection of the 2012 draft by the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Just missed the cut:

DT Will Sutton, Arizona State
OLB Vic Beasley, Clemson*
CB Bradley Roby, Ohio State*
RB Ka'Deem Carey, Arizona*
ILB Shayne Skov, Stanford
WR Jordan Matthews, Vanderbilt
QB Brett Hundley, UCLA*
WR Allen Robinson, Penn State*
FS Hasean Clinton-Dix, Alabama*
OT La'el Collins, LSU*
OG Xavier Su'a-Filo, UCLA*
DE/OLB Trevor Reilly, Utah
DT Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
DT Ego Ferguson, LSU*
OLB Kyle Van Noy, BYU

Rob Rang (@RobRang) is a senior analyst for NFLDraftScout.com.
 
Rotoworld:

Ohio State junior QB Braxton Miller potentially declaring for May's draft is "at the top of the mind with both the kid and the people around there," according to an NFL scout.

The underclassmen deadline to enter the draft is Jan. 15, 2014. The scout quoted believes that Miller could go as high as the second round if he declares early. "He's not a project," the scout said. "He's not a Tim Tebow-type player. But at the same time when you look at the throwing talent of other guys that are going to be in this class, he's not in the top tier either. He's got functional arm strength. He's probably in the middle 50 percent of arm strength that you see in the NFL. ... His accuracy has a lot of room for improvement."


Source: ohiostate.scout.com
ESPN's Mel Kiper envisions NIU senior QB Jordan Lynch as a fifth- to seventh-round pick in May.

"He could maybe be a starter down the road in the right situation, probably more of a backup type," Kiper said. It is interesting that Kiper believes Lynch has a future at quarterback, since many are expecting a possible position switch due to the senior lacking above average throwing ability.


Source: ESPN
Ohio State senior RB Carlos Hyde ranks as the No. 19 overall player on Mel Kiper's big board.

This is easily the highest we have seen Hyde ranked, so props to Kiper for going out on a limb. "Hyde has a great combination of elite size for the position plus quick feet and an ability to accelerate quickly through the hole," Kiper writes. "He's devastating on the second level because he has a downhill style that makes him a punishing runner who can run through and bounce off contact." Hyde has received compliments on his pass protection, but we believe it could still use some improvement. Our own Josh Norris has compared Hyde to Zac Stacy and Frank Gore.


Source: ESPN
ESPN's Mel Kiper ranks Clemson's Tajh Boyd as the No. 10 senior QB in the 2014 class.

Derek Carr of Fresno State, AJ McCarron of Alabama, Zach Mettenberger of LSU, Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois, Aaron Murray of Georgia, Stephen Morris of Miami (FL), David Fales of San Jose State, Logan Thomas of Virginia Tech and Tom Savage of Pittsburgh all rank over Boyd. We wonder if the ranking will change after Boyd competes in the Senior Bowl.


Source: ESPN
Arizona junior RB Ka'Deem Carey told reporters a top two round projection form the NFL Draft Advisory Board would be tough to pass up.

"There are a lot of things boiling in the pot that affect my decision," Carey told reporters. Last year's leading rusher offers ball carrying and receiving ability, but he might be a fringe top two round talent. It might be wise for all of the draft-eligible running backs to declare in order to get ahead of next year's loaded group.


Source: Arizona Daily Star
 
Ohio State senior RB Carlos Hyde ranks as the No. 19 overall player on Mel Kiper's big board.

This is easily the highest we have seen Hyde ranked, so props to Kiper for going out on a limb. "Hyde has a great combination of elite size for the position plus quick feet and an ability to accelerate quickly through the hole," Kiper writes. "He's devastating on the second level because he has a downhill style that makes him a punishing runner who can run through and bounce off contact." Hyde has received compliments on his pass protection, but we believe it could still use some improvement. Our own Josh Norris has compared Hyde to Zac Stacy and Frank Gore.


Source: ESPN
Same time of the year that Lacy started showing up in the first round of mock drafts. Wouldn't be surprised to see the rest of the draft community follow Kiper.

 
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Miller, Lynch and Boyd are backups at best in the NFL. Nothing to see there. Lynch is like a poor man's Tebow.

 
Brandin Cooks is getting a lot of love lately, and rightly so I suppose given his insane production, but there's something about his game that I just don't think it'll mesh all that well in the NFL. Granted I haven't watched him a tonne, but he seems to make a lot of big plays by winning jump balls, which I don't think he's going to be able to do nearly as consistently in the NFL as a 5'10 WR.
The guy can also get open underneath at will. His cutting and ability to get out of his breaks at another level is why you're taking him. That he also wins those jump balls is icing on the cake. Certainly not what you're drafting him to be.

Many teams could use a reliable slot guy, but Indy sticks out like a sore thumb. Insurance if Wayne can't get back and replacement when Wayne's gone.

 
For those hanging around on a Friday night..Jimmy Garoppolo is playing on snowing field in FCS playoffs
Jimmy played an outstanding first quarter showing live arm and good pocket/scrambling...been outplayed by jr RB Terrance West, an NFL sized 5'11ish 220 who has shown the complete package of power, vision, enough speed for FCS, which may or translate, but has at least the size and production to be followed.

 
Here is my first pass at a statistically rating of college receivers for this season (very similar to what I did in this thread last year, although the exact calculation is slightly different).

The number is their overall rating - the main things to know are that bigger is better, and 0 is a roughly an average college WR1.

12.4 Davante Adams Fresno St SO
12.2 Brandin Cooks Oregon St JR
9.6 Devante Davis UNLV JR
9.2 Chandler Jones SJSU SR
9.1 Jamarcus Nelson UAB JR
9.0 Paul Richardson Colorado JR
8.9 Willie Snead Ball State JR
8.2 Antwan Goodley Baylor JR
8.2 Robbie Anderson Temple JR
8.1 Mike Evans Texas A&M SO
8.0 Albert Wilson Georgia St SR
7.8 Tyler Lockett Kansas St JR
7.6 Titus Davis C Mich JR
7.4 Ty Montgomery Stanford JR
7.2 Allen Robinson Penn State JR
6.9 Jeremy Gallon Michigan SR
6.3 Austin Franklin NMSU JR
6.0 Alex Neutz Buffalo SR
5.9 Deontay Greenberry Houston SO
5.8 Tevin Reese Baylor SR
5.8 Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt SR
5.8 Mike Davis Texas SR
5.6 Sammy Watkins Clemson JR
5.6 Sammie Coates Auburn SO
5.4 TJ Jones Notre Dame SR
5.2 Dres Anderson Utah JR
5.2 Devin Street Pittsburgh SR
4.9 Jarvis Landry LSU JR
4.7 Ryan Grant Tulane SR
4.7 Eric Thomas Troy SR
4.6 Jamison Crowder Duke JR
4.4 Chris Gant Hawai'i SR
4.3 Jared Abbrederis Wisconsin SR
4.1 Josh Huff Oregon SR
4.0 Corey Davis W Mich FR
3.9 Bernard Reedy Toledo SR
3.9 Odell Beckham Jr. LSU JR
3.9 Steve Hull Illinois SR
3.7 Allen Hurns Miami (Fl) SR
3.5 Alex Amidon BC SR
3.2 Stefon Diggs Maryland SO
3.2 Cody Latimer Indiana JR
3.1 Kelvin Benjamin FSU SO
3.1 Shavarez Smith South Ala JR
3.1 Keenan Holman SMU SR

And here's the career leaderboard, taking 100% of each player's best season plus 50% of their second-best season (if it's at least 0). Players who have turned into very good NFL receivers almost all had at least a 4.0 career score, and about half had a 9.0+.

18.7 Marqise Lee USC JR
16.1 Davante Adams Fresno St SO
14.5 Brandin Cooks Oregon St JR
11.8 Austin Franklin NMSU JR
11.2 Jalen Saunders Oklahoma SR
9.9 Sammy Watkins Clemson JR
9.7 Alex Neutz Buffalo SR
9.6 Devante Davis UNLV JR
9.5 Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt SR
9.5 Robert Herron Wyoming SR
9.4 Allen Robinson Penn State JR
9.2 Chandler Jones SJSU SR
9.1 Jamarcus Nelson UAB JR
9.0 Paul Richardson Colorado JR
8.9 Willie Snead Ball State JR
8.8 Titus Davis C Mich JR
8.6 Tevin Reese Baylor SR
8.2 Tyler Lockett Kansas St JR
8.2 Antwan Goodley Baylor JR
8.2 Robbie Anderson Temple JR
8.1 Mike Evans Texas A&M SO
8.0 Albert Wilson Georgia St SR
8.0 Mike Davis Texas SR
7.4 Ty Montgomery Stanford JR
7.0 Amari Cooper Alabama SO
6.9 Jeremy Gallon Michigan SR
6.5 Stefon Diggs Maryland SO
6.3 Jared Abbrederis Wisconsin SR
6.1 Jordan Leslie UTEP JR
5.9 Deontay Greenberry Houston SO
5.6 Sammie Coates Auburn SO
5.4 TJ Jones Notre Dame SR
5.2 Alex Amidon BC SR
5.2 Dres Anderson Utah JR
5.2 Donte Moncrief Miss JR
5.2 Devin Street Pittsburgh SR
4.9 Jarvis Landry LSU JR
4.7 Ryan Grant Tulane SR
4.7 Eric Thomas Troy SR
4.6 Jamison Crowder Duke JR
4.4 Chris Gant Hawai'i SR
4.3 Cody Hoffman BYU SR
4.1 Josh Huff Oregon SR
4.0 Corey Davis W Mich FR

 
Here's an interesting fact about those statistical rankings: if we look at the players with a career score above 8.0, who are at least 6 feet tall and 195 pounds (according to their listing at CBS or nfldraftscout), we get 8 names:

Marqise Lee
Davante Adams
Devante Davis
Alex Neutz
Allen Robinson
Sammy Watkins
Jordan Matthews
Mike Evans

That list of 8 names includes all of the top 6 WR prospects in the CBS rankings (who are all ranked in CBS's top 35 overall). Which suggests that this could be a pretty nice WR draft at the top.

The other two names on that list of 8 are Buffalo's Alex Neutz (who CBS ranks 41st) and UNLV's Devante Davis (who is not among their 150 ranked WRs).

Kelvin Benjamin, Odell Beckham, and Brandon Coleman are the only WRs who CBS has among the top 100 players who don't meet the 4.0 cutoff for career value (and Beckham & Benjaming are close).

 
And here's a first stab at a WR leaderboard using a formula which includes college stats (the career score from my previous post, with some slight revisions including a SOS adjustment), estimated size (ht/wt/bmi), and projected 40 time (from CBS or nfldraftscout). The top 40, with tier breaks:

Marqise Lee USC JR
Sammy Watkins Clemson JR

Allen Robinson Penn State JR
Davante Adams Fresno St SO

Sammie Coates Auburn SO
Brandin Cooks Oregon St JR
Donte Moncrief Miss JR
Mike Evans Texas A&M SO
Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt SR
Robert Herron Wyoming SR
Devante Davis UNLV JR
Ty Montgomery Stanford JR

Stefon Diggs Maryland SO
Mike Davis Texas SR
Alex Neutz Buffalo SR
Antwan Goodley Baylor JR
Amari Cooper Alabama SO
Tevin Reese Baylor SR

Austin Franklin NMSU JR
Albert Wilson Georgia St SR
TJ Jones Notre Dame SR
Cody Latimer Indiana JR
Josh Huff Oregon SR
Jared Abbrederis Wisconsin SR
Dres Anderson Utah JR
Jeremy Gallon Michigan SR
Tyler Lockett Kansas St JR
Devin Street Pittsburgh SR
Jordan Leslie UTEP JR
Jarvis Landry LSU JR
Titus Davis C Mich JR

Paul Richardson Colorado JR
Deontay Greenberry Houston SO
Cody Hoffman BYU SR
Chandler Jones SJSU SR
Jalen Saunders Oklahoma SR
Alex Amidon BC SR
Steve Hull Illinois SR
Odell Beckham Jr. LSU JR
Ryan Grant Tulane SR

 
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Brandin Cooks is getting a lot of love lately, and rightly so I suppose given his insane production, but there's something about his game that I just don't think it'll mesh all that well in the NFL. Granted I haven't watched him a tonne, but he seems to make a lot of big plays by winning jump balls, which I don't think he's going to be able to do nearly as consistently in the NFL as a 5'10 WR.
The guy can also get open underneath at will. His cutting and ability to get out of his breaks at another level is why you're taking him. That he also wins those jump balls is icing on the cake. Certainly not what you're drafting him to be.

Many teams could use a reliable slot guy, but Indy sticks out like a sore thumb. Insurance if Wayne can't get back and replacement when Wayne's gone.
That gig is already taken.

Brandon Cooks is 5'10" at best. He will only work with a QB that is very accurate.

 
And here's a first stab at a WR leaderboard using a formula which includes college stats (the career score from my previous post, with some slight revisions including a SOS adjustment), estimated size (ht/wt/bmi), and projected 40 time (from CBS or nfldraftscout). The top 40, with tier breaks:

Marqise Lee USC JR

Sammy Watkins Clemson JR

Allen Robinson Penn State JR

Davante Adams Fresno St SO

Sammie Coates Auburn SO

Brandin Cooks Oregon St JR

Donte Moncrief Miss JR

Mike Evans Texas A&M SO

Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt SR

Robert Herron Wyoming SR

Devante Davis UNLV JR

Ty Montgomery Stanford JR

Stefon Diggs Maryland SO

Mike Davis Texas SR

Alex Neutz Buffalo SR

Antwan Goodley Baylor JR

Amari Cooper Alabama SO

Tevin Reese Baylor SR

Austin Franklin NMSU JR

Albert Wilson Georgia St SR

TJ Jones Notre Dame SR

Cody Latimer Indiana JR

Josh Huff Oregon SR

Jared Abbrederis Wisconsin SR

Dres Anderson Utah JR

Jeremy Gallon Michigan SR

Tyler Lockett Kansas St JR

Devin Street Pittsburgh SR

Jordan Leslie UTEP JR

Jarvis Landry LSU JR

Titus Davis C Mich JR

Paul Richardson Colorado JR

Deontay Greenberry Houston SO

Cody Hoffman BYU SR

Chandler Jones SJSU SR

Jalen Saunders Oklahoma SR

Alex Amidon BC SR

Steve Hull Illinois SR

Odell Beckham Jr. LSU JR

Ryan Grant Tulane SR
Nice list. Looks similar to my list with a few exceptions. One guy I'm a little higher on is Beckham. I don't know that he has a monster ceiling since he's somewhat of a smaller WR, but I think he'll be a good NFL player. I'm also wondering about how you accounted for Diggs's abbreviated 2013 season. Did you prorate his per game numbers over a full season?

 
Brandin Cooks is getting a lot of love lately, and rightly so I suppose given his insane production, but there's something about his game that I just don't think it'll mesh all that well in the NFL. Granted I haven't watched him a tonne, but he seems to make a lot of big plays by winning jump balls, which I don't think he's going to be able to do nearly as consistently in the NFL as a 5'10 WR.
The guy can also get open underneath at will. His cutting and ability to get out of his breaks at another level is why you're taking him. That he also wins those jump balls is icing on the cake. Certainly not what you're drafting him to be.

Many teams could use a reliable slot guy, but Indy sticks out like a sore thumb. Insurance if Wayne can't get back and replacement when Wayne's gone.
:goodposting:

Been painful to watch Luck to struggle to find his safety valve underneath. Hilton outside, Wayne/Cooks inside and possibly Rogers outside could make for a nice trio for the future.

 
And here's a first stab at a WR leaderboard using a formula which includes college stats (the career score from my previous post, with some slight revisions including a SOS adjustment), estimated size (ht/wt/bmi), and projected 40 time (from CBS or nfldraftscout). The top 40, with tier breaks:

Marqise Lee USC JR

Sammy Watkins Clemson JR

Allen Robinson Penn State JR

Davante Adams Fresno St SO

Sammie Coates Auburn SO

Brandin Cooks Oregon St JR

Donte Moncrief Miss JR

Mike Evans Texas A&M SO

Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt SR

Robert Herron Wyoming SR

Devante Davis UNLV JR

Ty Montgomery Stanford JR

Stefon Diggs Maryland SO

Mike Davis Texas SR

Alex Neutz Buffalo SR

Antwan Goodley Baylor JR

Amari Cooper Alabama SO

Tevin Reese Baylor SR

Austin Franklin NMSU JR

Albert Wilson Georgia St SR

TJ Jones Notre Dame SR

Cody Latimer Indiana JR

Josh Huff Oregon SR

Jared Abbrederis Wisconsin SR

Dres Anderson Utah JR

Jeremy Gallon Michigan SR

Tyler Lockett Kansas St JR

Devin Street Pittsburgh SR

Jordan Leslie UTEP JR

Jarvis Landry LSU JR

Titus Davis C Mich JR

Paul Richardson Colorado JR

Deontay Greenberry Houston SO

Cody Hoffman BYU SR

Chandler Jones SJSU SR

Jalen Saunders Oklahoma SR

Alex Amidon BC SR

Steve Hull Illinois SR

Odell Beckham Jr. LSU JR

Ryan Grant Tulane SR
Nice list. Looks similar to my list with a few exceptions. One guy I'm a little higher on is Beckham. I don't know that he has a monster ceiling since he's somewhat of a smaller WR, but I think he'll be a good NFL player. I'm also wondering about how you accounted for Diggs's abbreviated 2013 season. Did you prorate his per game numbers over a full season?
Everything is pro-rated (per game). So Diggs's season gets rated based on 83.9 rec yds per game, 1.0 30+ yard receptions per game, etc. Also, this list is based on career score, so his 2012 (which was slightly better than his 2013, according to my numbers) is also taken into account.

Beckham is an interesting case. My formula is designed to identify explosive players by giving credit for big plays, including long receptions (30+ yards) and special teams touchdowns. Beckham has relatively few long receptions and no special teams touchdowns this year, but he does have a high YPR and a lot of return yardage (plus a couple return touchdowns last year). So he may be kind of slipping through the cracks in the formula (though I'm not so sure - in part his high YPR is due to his lack of usage on screens & in the underneath passing game, and I don't want the formula to reward a player for that). It's possible that he'll look better once I include yards per target in the formula - that's not in there for this season because I don't have data on targets yet.

 
And here's a first stab at a WR leaderboard using a formula which includes college stats (the career score from my previous post, with some slight revisions including a SOS adjustment), estimated size (ht/wt/bmi), and projected 40 time (from CBS or nfldraftscout). The top 40, with tier breaks:

Marqise Lee USC JR

Sammy Watkins Clemson JR

Allen Robinson Penn State JR

Davante Adams Fresno St SO

Sammie Coates Auburn SO

Brandin Cooks Oregon St JR

Donte Moncrief Miss JR

Mike Evans Texas A&M SO

Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt SR

Robert Herron Wyoming SR

Devante Davis UNLV JR

Ty Montgomery Stanford JR

Stefon Diggs Maryland SO

Mike Davis Texas SR

Alex Neutz Buffalo SR

Antwan Goodley Baylor JR

Amari Cooper Alabama SO

Tevin Reese Baylor SR

Austin Franklin NMSU JR

Albert Wilson Georgia St SR

TJ Jones Notre Dame SR

Cody Latimer Indiana JR

Josh Huff Oregon SR

Jared Abbrederis Wisconsin SR

Dres Anderson Utah JR

Jeremy Gallon Michigan SR

Tyler Lockett Kansas St JR

Devin Street Pittsburgh SR

Jordan Leslie UTEP JR

Jarvis Landry LSU JR

Titus Davis C Mich JR

Paul Richardson Colorado JR

Deontay Greenberry Houston SO

Cody Hoffman BYU SR

Chandler Jones SJSU SR

Jalen Saunders Oklahoma SR

Alex Amidon BC SR

Steve Hull Illinois SR

Odell Beckham Jr. LSU JR

Ryan Grant Tulane SR
Nice list. Looks similar to my list with a few exceptions. One guy I'm a little higher on is Beckham. I don't know that he has a monster ceiling since he's somewhat of a smaller WR, but I think he'll be a good NFL player. I'm also wondering about how you accounted for Diggs's abbreviated 2013 season. Did you prorate his per game numbers over a full season?
Everything is pro-rated (per game). So Diggs's season gets rated based on 83.9 rec yds per game, 1.0 30+ yard receptions per game, etc. Also, this list is based on career score, so his 2012 (which was slightly better than his 2013, according to my numbers) is also taken into account.

Beckham is an interesting case. My formula is designed to identify explosive players by giving credit for big plays, including long receptions (30+ yards) and special teams touchdowns. Beckham has relatively few long receptions and no special teams touchdowns this year, but he does have a high YPR and a lot of return yardage (plus a couple return touchdowns last year). So he may be kind of slipping through the cracks in the formula (though I'm not so sure - in part his high YPR is due to his lack of usage on screens & in the underneath passing game, and I don't want the formula to reward a player for that). It's possible that he'll look better once I include yards per target in the formula - that's not in there for this season because I don't have data on targets yet.
Is there any reasoning behind the arbitrary 30 yard number for determining a long reception? Doesn't seem right that a 29 yard reception isn't considered a long reception but a 30 yarder is.

 
cfbstats.com lists number of receptions by length for each multiple of 10. A 20 yard reception seems too short to count as a big play, and 50 yards seems too long (plus 50 yarders are fairly rare which makes the data less reliable), so that leaves 30 yards and 40 yards as options for the cutoff. I actually use both and average them (which is similar to giving half credit for a 30-39 yarder and full credit to a 40+ yarder); I just left that detail out of my paragraph on Beckham. I could try to do something more complicated, but it wouldn't change the ratings by all that much.

One thing to keep in mind is that there are two ways to get a long reception: by going deep or by beating the defense after the catch. Beckham caught a lot of passes 15+ yards down the field but wasn't able to take many of them past the 30 yard mark, which suggests that he wasn't that great at beating the defense after the catch.

 
Here's my second pass at RB rankings by the numbers, including estimated size (ht/wt/bmi), projected 40 times (from CBS/nfldraftscout), and some other stats including workload, receiving numbers, and Greg Peshek's elusiveness numbers (for the 9 RBs he charted):

Lache Seastrunk Baylor JR
Carlos Hyde Ohio State SR
Jeremy Hill LSU SO
T.J. Yeldon Alabama SO
Melvin Gordon Wisconsin SO
Antonio Andrews Western Ky SR
Robert Godhigh Ga Tech SR
Byron Marshall Oregon SO
Jay Ajayi Boise St SO
Devonta Freeman FSU JR
Mike Davis S Carolina SO
Todd Gurley Georgia SO
Tim Cornett UNLV SR
Javorius Allen USC SO
Bishop Sankey Washington JR
James Wilder, Jr. FSU JR
Corey Grant Auburn JR
Tre Mason Auburn JR
Kapri Bibbs CSU SO
Duke Johnson Miami (Fl) SO
Charles Sims WVU SR
Karlos Williams FSU JR
Andre Williams BC SR
Ka'Deem Carey Arizona JR
Jeremy Langford Mich St JR

Melvin Gordon falls out of the top 3 because of his build - he's listed at 6'1", 207 lb., which is pretty skinny for an NFL RB.

Robert Godhigh is a stocky dude (5'7", 190 lb.) who put up ridiculous numbers on limited touches for Georgia Tech. This year, 14 of his 90 touches went for 30+ yards, and over his career he's averaged 11.1 yards from scrimmage per touch and scored 16 touchdowns on 161 touches (125 carries, 36 receptions).

 
Rotoworld:

Rutgers redshirt junior WR Brandon Coleman has declared for the NFL Draft.
Coleman 2012 season was much better than this past year, and evaluators will have to determine if that was due to poor quarterback play, injury, a regression in talent or a combination of the three. Coleman does boast great length and build up speed. He's likely a top-75 selection.

Source: Jason Baum on Twitter
Eastern Illinois senior QB Jimmy Garoppolo completed 38 of 50 attempts for 321 yards and two touchdowns in a 49-39 loss to Towson.
The game was played in the sleet, snow and ice, but Garoppolo and Eastern Illinois attempted to stick what they do best: pass the ball. The senior passer has a quick trigger and pocket movement, but the most improved area might be comfort in the pocket. He could exit the Senior Bowl as one of the top passers in the class.
An NFC GM thinks Auburn junior RB Tre Mason is a system back.
"He's a solid runner, but my gut is the offense is really the engine that drives the production," the GM said. An AFC college scouting director said that he saw, "good speed, balance, burst and vision" when Mason tacked 164 yards on Alabama and 304 yards on Mizzou, but added that Mason is slight. "Bottom line:," wrote NFL.com's Albert Breer, "Mason should intrigue clubs that employ passing-down backs on a more regular basis."

Source: NFL.com
 
ZWK said:
Robert Godhigh is a stocky dude (5'7", 190 lb.) who put up ridiculous numbers on limited touches for Georgia Tech. This year, 14 of his 90 touches went for 30+ yards, and over his career he's averaged 11.1 yards from scrimmage per touch and scored 16 touchdowns on 161 touches (125 carries, 36 receptions).
Of Godhigh's 69 carries this year, I'm guessing under 10 of them were between the tackles.

 
ZWK said:
Here's my second pass at RB rankings by the numbers, including estimated size (ht/wt/bmi), projected 40 times (from CBS/nfldraftscout), and some other stats including workload, receiving numbers, and Greg Peshek's elusiveness numbers (for the 9 RBs he charted):

Lache Seastrunk Baylor JR

Carlos Hyde Ohio State SR

Jeremy Hill LSU SO

T.J. Yeldon Alabama SO

Melvin Gordon Wisconsin SO

Antonio Andrews Western Ky SR

Robert Godhigh Ga Tech SR

Byron Marshall Oregon SO

Jay Ajayi Boise St SO

Devonta Freeman FSU JR

Mike Davis S Carolina SO

Todd Gurley Georgia SO

Tim Cornett UNLV SR

Javorius Allen USC SO

Bishop Sankey Washington JR

James Wilder, Jr. FSU JR

Corey Grant Auburn JR

Tre Mason Auburn JR

Kapri Bibbs CSU SO

Duke Johnson Miami (Fl) SO

Charles Sims WVU SR

Karlos Williams FSU JR

Andre Williams BC SR

Ka'Deem Carey Arizona JR

Jeremy Langford Mich St JR

Melvin Gordon falls out of the top 3 because of his build - he's listed at 6'1", 207 lb., which is pretty skinny for an NFL RB.

Robert Godhigh is a stocky dude (5'7", 190 lb.) who put up ridiculous numbers on limited touches for Georgia Tech. This year, 14 of his 90 touches went for 30+ yards, and over his career he's averaged 11.1 yards from scrimmage per touch and scored 16 touchdowns on 161 touches (125 carries, 36 receptions).
Gordon is built really well and shredded:

http://media.jrn.com/images/660*575/b99133098z.1_20131101220221_000_g8638a0r.1-1.jpg

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/64/40064/138422.jpg

I think it's flawed to refer to him as "skinny" simply based on what's on paper.

 
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ZWK said:
Robert Godhigh is a stocky dude (5'7", 190 lb.) who put up ridiculous numbers on limited touches for Georgia Tech. This year, 14 of his 90 touches went for 30+ yards, and over his career he's averaged 11.1 yards from scrimmage per touch and scored 16 touchdowns on 161 touches (125 carries, 36 receptions).
Of Godhigh's 69 carries this year, I'm guessing under 10 of them were between the tackles.
Yea, probably the most gimmicky offense in all of college football.

 
Xue said:
ZWK said:
Here's my second pass at RB rankings by the numbers, including estimated size (ht/wt/bmi), projected 40 times (from CBS/nfldraftscout), and some other stats including workload, receiving numbers, and Greg Peshek's elusiveness numbers (for the 9 RBs he charted):

Lache Seastrunk Baylor JR

Carlos Hyde Ohio State SR

Jeremy Hill LSU SO

T.J. Yeldon Alabama SO

Melvin Gordon Wisconsin SO

Antonio Andrews Western Ky SR

Robert Godhigh Ga Tech SR

Byron Marshall Oregon SO

Jay Ajayi Boise St SO

Devonta Freeman FSU JR

Mike Davis S Carolina SO

Todd Gurley Georgia SO

Tim Cornett UNLV SR

Javorius Allen USC SO

Bishop Sankey Washington JR

James Wilder, Jr. FSU JR

Corey Grant Auburn JR

Tre Mason Auburn JR

Kapri Bibbs CSU SO

Duke Johnson Miami (Fl) SO

Charles Sims WVU SR

Karlos Williams FSU JR

Andre Williams BC SR

Ka'Deem Carey Arizona JR

Jeremy Langford Mich St JR

Melvin Gordon falls out of the top 3 because of his build - he's listed at 6'1", 207 lb., which is pretty skinny for an NFL RB.

Robert Godhigh is a stocky dude (5'7", 190 lb.) who put up ridiculous numbers on limited touches for Georgia Tech. This year, 14 of his 90 touches went for 30+ yards, and over his career he's averaged 11.1 yards from scrimmage per touch and scored 16 touchdowns on 161 touches (125 carries, 36 receptions).
Gordon is built really well and shredded:

http://media.jrn.com/images/660*575/b99133098z.1_20131101220221_000_g8638a0r.1-1.jpg

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/64/40064/138422.jpg

I think it's flawed to refer to him as "skinny" simply based on what's on paper.
There's a difference between weight room strength and functional football strength. Reggie Bush is extremely ripped with a huge upper body. He did 24 reps of 225 at his pro day. Despite all that, he's not what I would call a powerful runner. Low weight and relatively lean lower body, especially in his calves. Gordon is a different style of runner, but he's similar in that regard. Lean and ripped. Strong thighs, but low overall weight and not that bulky in his lower body.

I think he'll run with more authority than Bush because the guy has some serious thunder thighs, but it's not really unfair to characterize him as more of a lean speed back type. He's not gonna be Michael Turner/MJD/Trent Richardson when it comes to power.

 

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