Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (2 Viewers)

ESPN Mike said:

Don't feel like reading through 20+ pages. But has anyone brought up how the Vikings have not waited for the "due process" in past instances where their players have been in trouble?(Cooks, Jefferson, etc).

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ESPN Mike said:

Don't feel like reading through 20+ pages. But has anyone brought up how the Vikings have not waited for the "due process" in past instances where their players have been in trouble?(Cooks, Jefferson, etc).

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Henry Ford said:

dparker713 said:

Henry Ford said:

dparker713 said:

chickensoup said:

Raiderfan32904 said:

I'm a parent of 4. Seen and heard things my kids have done that made my internal outrage meter go off. As the most pissed off and physically strongest person in the room, sometimes it's hard to channel that anger and focus your energy into a constructive, patient, lesson learning punishment. That brute animal instinct at the moment the #### hits the fan can make you twitch in anger thinking you need to unload your frustrations. Then you look down at your small child who you love...who cannot in any way defend him or herself from you and you remind yourself that the point of discipline is to right your child. It's not to inflict pain or release personal frustrations. That is not your right as a parent. The line you draw between abuse and discipline is a fine line, but you need to know that there are laws that delineate what you can and cannot do. Throw out cultural bias, that's a worthless crutch that enables domestic violence. The same kind of cultural bias was once used to justify segregation and women's suffrage.

A four year old child cannot even understand half the time what it is they are being punished for. They are very inquisitive at that age, and naturally get themselves in situations that get them into trouble. It's in their nature to push the boundaries. And it's completely normal. What's abnormal is to be a grown (yet immature) man of Adrian Peterson's might that believes he can somehow knock some sense into them. Hiding behind cultural upbringing is buying into the same cycle of violence and the chain never breaks. PSA to future parents, If you don't have patience, then don't get into the parenting business. It's not for everybody.

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In discussions about this kind if thing with people at work I've brought up an alternative idea. Try waiting 15-30 minutes and then do it. It takes all emotion out of it. If it's about discipline, then waiting a few should not matter. I think in many (I'd say most but I don't have data on it, just a feeling) instances, the act of physical punishment of a child is just as much about getting rid of your own anger as it is correcting something that a child does wrong. If you believe physical punishment is a viable parenting choice to correct behaviors (ie a child learns a specific long term lesson from a spanking/whipping) then just waiting until you're calm shouldn't matter right?

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But wouldn't the longer you wait to discipline a child make it less likely that they associate the physical punishment with the unwanted behavior?

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If they're unable to connect the physical punishment to the behavior by reason, then whipping them is no better than whipping a dog. This isn't a good argument.

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You're trying to train two things with the inability to reason and communicate effectively. Why isn't this a good argument?

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Not a big dog trainer, are you?

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cvnpoka said:

chinawildman said:

cvnpoka said:

chinawildman said:

I advocated that people should consume information, with an inclination towards critical analysis rather than just wholesale buying into whatever it is they read. What's wrong with that? Throughout this thread, I've seen people cite the following:

1) Peterson showed no remorse

2) Peterson took pleasure in "whoopin" his kids

3) Peterson in now under investigation for a 2nd child

4) Peterson hit his kid against a car

None of this is true or based on any facts. And according to you, because I am against the dissemination of inaccurate reporting, I am "guilty" of what exactly Mr. Grand Inquisitor?

Initial reports thought the kid was 11 for at least an hour before they got that straightened out. You think with this kind of reliablility we shouldn't read the news more closely and examine reported facts under a microscope?

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1 and 2 are based on his text messages and public statements. so the are certainly based on facts. ofc, they can not be proven, but neither can the opposite. so which is more likely? given the facts of the situation, i think those are accurate statements.

the last 2 points are largely irrelevant. does it really matter that he isnt currently under investigation for the first incident? is anyone using that to make a point?

and, so he didnt hit his kid against the car. i havent seen anyone argue that he did. i suppose it may have been that way for a fleeting moment when first reported. regardless, does it really matter? ofc not. his abuse inflicted a nasty gash on the kids head. whether banged him into a car are a car seat, does it really matter?

i notice you failed to include one of the main inaccuracies that the child abuse defenders clung to which was that the da grand jury shopped and it took 2 attempts to get an indictment.

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So you think it's ok to have headlines like "Adrian Peterson hit another one of his sons, leaving scar"

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/khou-report--adrian-peterson-hit-another-one-of-his-sons--leaving-scar-000243619.html

When the content of the article actually says that he was cleared of the very thing that the headline states?

You don't consider that misleading or bad journalism?

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sure seems that peterson hitting his son led to a nasty gash on his head. he even admits it.

Mother: "What happened to his head?"

Peterson: "Hit his head on the Carseat."

Mother: "How does that happen, he got a whoopin in the car."

Peterson: "Yep."

and no, he was not "cleared of the very thing that the headline states." he was cleared of any wrongdoing. but its not illegal to hit your kid leading to permanent scars.

its really ridiculous. the very thing you are criticizing everyone for doing, you are doing far worse.

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chinawildman said:

Like this gem right here? http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/khou-report--adrian-peterson-hit-another-one-of-his-sons--leaving-scar-000243619.html

How many people do you think will take one look at that headline, and draw the wrong conclusion? How many of these people do you think will actually read the contents of the article and realize that the facts in the article repudiate the actual headline? This has little to do with your opinion or mine, it's just bad journalism that people unfortunately love to eat up.

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chinawildman said:

How many people do you think will take one look at that headline, and draw the wrong conclusion?

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How many of these people do you think will actually read the contents of the article and realize that the facts in the article repudiate the actual headline?

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This has little to do with your opinion or mine, it's just bad journalism that people unfortunately love to eat up.

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General Tso said:

VaTerp said:

You should send this to your local, state, and federally elected officials.

This speaks to the point I made several pages back that ignatio missed as he tried to break down my post and took things out of context.

"One of many things I see wrong with this thread is people trying to use this situation as a way to justify their stance on physical punishment of children, one way or the other." Everyone is entitled to how their opinion on corporal punishment but it's currently legal so arguments for or against it are moot here when it comes to what should happen next. What Peterson did may or may not be illegal and I think almost everyone is in agreement that he was in the wrong.

Again, the question then becomes what do we think should be done about it. Some think he should be permanently banned and left penniless. Others like me think he should go receive counseling and parenting classes and/or whatever else the court system ultimately decides, and be allowed to continue doing what he does best, play football.

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You continue to assert this is a legal issue, as if AP's fate us going to be decided by what happens in a court of law.

It's not a legal issue. If the public is morally outraged it is well within the Viking's or NFL's right to suspend him. If the public asserts enough pressure, and if sponsors keep bailing, he will most certainly be suspended.

That is why you can't escape the discussion here about the morality of corporal punishment.

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Run It Up said:

How much worse is actually causing the scar as opposed to it taking place while you were disciplining them in a car?...

Also, Peterson's response in that conversation is very ambiguous, "he did it to hisself", can mean a lot of things.

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chinawildman said:

cvnpoka said:

chinawildman said:

cvnpoka said:

chinawildman said:

I advocated that people should consume information, with an inclination towards critical analysis rather than just wholesale buying into whatever it is they read. What's wrong with that? Throughout this thread, I've seen people cite the following:

1) Peterson showed no remorse

2) Peterson took pleasure in "whoopin" his kids

3) Peterson in now under investigation for a 2nd child

4) Peterson hit his kid against a car

None of this is true or based on any facts. And according to you, because I am against the dissemination of inaccurate reporting, I am "guilty" of what exactly Mr. Grand Inquisitor?

Initial reports thought the kid was 11 for at least an hour before they got that straightened out. You think with this kind of reliablility we shouldn't read the news more closely and examine reported facts under a microscope?

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1 and 2 are based on his text messages and public statements. so the are certainly based on facts. ofc, they can not be proven, but neither can the opposite. so which is more likely? given the facts of the situation, i think those are accurate statements.

the last 2 points are largely irrelevant. does it really matter that he isnt currently under investigation for the first incident? is anyone using that to make a point?

and, so he didnt hit his kid against the car. i havent seen anyone argue that he did. i suppose it may have been that way for a fleeting moment when first reported. regardless, does it really matter? ofc not. his abuse inflicted a nasty gash on the kids head. whether banged him into a car are a car seat, does it really matter?

i notice you failed to include one of the main inaccuracies that the child abuse defenders clung to which was that the da grand jury shopped and it took 2 attempts to get an indictment.

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So you think it's ok to have headlines like "Adrian Peterson hit another one of his sons, leaving scar"

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/khou-report--adrian-peterson-hit-another-one-of-his-sons--leaving-scar-000243619.html

When the content of the article actually says that he was cleared of the very thing that the headline states?

You don't consider that misleading or bad journalism?

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sure seems that peterson hitting his son led to a nasty gash on his head. he even admits it.

Mother: "What happened to his head?"

Peterson: "Hit his head on the Carseat."

Mother: "How does that happen, he got a whoopin in the car."

Peterson: "Yep."

and no, he was not "cleared of the very thing that the headline states." he was cleared of any wrongdoing. but its not illegal to hit your kid leading to permanent scars.

its really ridiculous. the very thing you are criticizing everyone for doing, you are doing far worse.

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Seriously dude, you've got some issues with reading comprehension. The article cites 2 sources that report 2 conflicting stories, yet chose the most incendiary one as the headline, likely because it elicits a stronger response.

"KHOU in Houston said Peterson hit a different 4-year-old son last year, leaving a scar on the boy's forehead. That can be used as evidence in the current investigation, the report said.

TMZ reported, citing sources, that the case "went nowhere" because he did not strike the child, but the child accidentally hit his head on a carseat while Peterson was punishing him."

I am not proclaiming to know what the facts are in this incident. But I do know that cherry-picking headlines to try and get a stronger response is trash journalism.

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VaTerp said:

General Tso said:

VaTerp said:

You should send this to your local, state, and federally elected officials.

This speaks to the point I made several pages back that ignatio missed as he tried to break down my post and took things out of context.

"One of many things I see wrong with this thread is people trying to use this situation as a way to justify their stance on physical punishment of children, one way or the other." Everyone is entitled to how their opinion on corporal punishment but it's currently legal so arguments for or against it are moot here when it comes to what should happen next. What Peterson did may or may not be illegal and I think almost everyone is in agreement that he was in the wrong.

Again, the question then becomes what do we think should be done about it. Some think he should be permanently banned and left penniless. Others like me think he should go receive counseling and parenting classes and/or whatever else the court system ultimately decides, and be allowed to continue doing what he does best, play football.

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You continue to assert this is a legal issue, as if AP's fate us going to be decided by what happens in a court of law.It's not a legal issue. If the public is morally outraged it is well within the Viking's or NFL's right to suspend him. If the public asserts enough pressure, and if sponsors keep bailing, he will most certainly be suspended.

That is why you can't escape the discussion here about the morality of corporal punishment.

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Because it is a legal issue and to some extent AP's fate will be decided by what happens in a court of law.

And I've never said the Vikings or the NFL don't have the right to suspend him. They obviously do. I am of the opinion that they shouldn't at this time.

You continue to repost academic studies on the ills of corporal punishment. My point is that regardless of one's overall opinion corporal punishment, it's largely moot in terms of how this process should play out with regard to Adrian Peterson.

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dparker713 said:

Henry Ford said:

dparker713 said:

Henry Ford said:

dparker713 said:

chickensoup said:

Raiderfan32904 said:

I'm a parent of 4. Seen and heard things my kids have done that made my internal outrage meter go off. As the most pissed off and physically strongest person in the room, sometimes it's hard to channel that anger and focus your energy into a constructive, patient, lesson learning punishment. That brute animal instinct at the moment the #### hits the fan can make you twitch in anger thinking you need to unload your frustrations. Then you look down at your small child who you love...who cannot in any way defend him or herself from you and you remind yourself that the point of discipline is to right your child. It's not to inflict pain or release personal frustrations. That is not your right as a parent. The line you draw between abuse and discipline is a fine line, but you need to know that there are laws that delineate what you can and cannot do. Throw out cultural bias, that's a worthless crutch that enables domestic violence. The same kind of cultural bias was once used to justify segregation and women's suffrage.

A four year old child cannot even understand half the time what it is they are being punished for. They are very inquisitive at that age, and naturally get themselves in situations that get them into trouble. It's in their nature to push the boundaries. And it's completely normal. What's abnormal is to be a grown (yet immature) man of Adrian Peterson's might that believes he can somehow knock some sense into them. Hiding behind cultural upbringing is buying into the same cycle of violence and the chain never breaks. PSA to future parents, If you don't have patience, then don't get into the parenting business. It's not for everybody.

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In discussions about this kind if thing with people at work I've brought up an alternative idea. Try waiting 15-30 minutes and then do it. It takes all emotion out of it. If it's about discipline, then waiting a few should not matter. I think in many (I'd say most but I don't have data on it, just a feeling) instances, the act of physical punishment of a child is just as much about getting rid of your own anger as it is correcting something that a child does wrong. If you believe physical punishment is a viable parenting choice to correct behaviors (ie a child learns a specific long term lesson from a spanking/whipping) then just waiting until you're calm shouldn't matter right?

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But wouldn't the longer you wait to discipline a child make it less likely that they associate the physical punishment with the unwanted behavior?

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If they're unable to connect the physical punishment to the behavior by reason, then whipping them is no better than whipping a dog. This isn't a good argument.

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You're trying to train two things with the inability to reason and communicate effectively. Why isn't this a good argument?

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Not a big dog trainer, are you?

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Are you claiming you can't train a dog with a whip?

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Jerry Curl said:

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Sponsors are now getting involved, maybe the Vikings and the NFL will take this seriously. Anheuser-Busch is one of the NFLs biggest sponsor if not the biggest.

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Jerry Curl said:

Jason La Canfora retweeted
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....and NOW you can grab the popcorn... RT @darrenrovell: NFL beer sponsor, Anheuser-Busch, issues strong statement pic.twitter.com/sAVoOOz9eE




Sponsors are now getting involved, maybe the Vikings and the NFL will take this seriously. Anheuser-Busch is one of the NFLs biggest sponsor if not the biggest.

Wanted to add this: Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 4m

Wow RT @APkrawczynski: An eye-opening development: Nike stores in Twin Cities have pulled all Adrian Peterson merch from shelves. Nike.

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chinawildman said:

Run It Up said:

How much worse is actually causing the scar as opposed to it taking place while you were disciplining them in a car?...

Also, Peterson's response in that conversation is very ambiguous, "he did it to hisself", can mean a lot of things.

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I dunno.

How much worse is a kid punching his brother in the face leaving a black eye

vs.

2 brothers wrestling leading to one bumping up against a table leaving a black eye.

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davearm said:

Well the headline reads, "KHOU report: Adrian Peterson hit another one of his sons, leaving scar"

KHOU did do the reporting.

Peterson did acknowledge hitting this boy, in texts to the boy's mother. They're all over the internet.

Mother: "How does that happen, he got a whoopin in the car."

Peterson: "Yep."

There are photographs of the boy with a scar from the incident. Again, widely available on the internet.

It seems the scar resulted not from a direct blow, but rather from one or more flinches/thrashes into the carseat as Peterson was delivering the hits. Again, Peterson's texts are the source of this information.

Peterson: "be still n (and) take ya (your) whopping, he would have saved the scare (scar)."

So what wrong conclusion is being drawn, exactly? Peterson beat his son, and a scar resulted. Those facts do not seem to be in question.

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Raiderfan32904 said:

Has Peterson yet admitted any remorse or lack of judgment? Wonder what the damage control strategy is going to be from his camp. At some point, to get past all this media firestorm, he's going to have hatch an exit strategy.

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cvnpoka said:

chinawildman said:

Run It Up said:

How much worse is actually causing the scar as opposed to it taking place while you were disciplining them in a car?...

Also, Peterson's response in that conversation is very ambiguous, "he did it to hisself", can mean a lot of things.

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I dunno.

How much worse is a kid punching his brother in the face leaving a black eye

vs.

2 brothers wrestling leading to one bumping up against a table leaving a black eye.

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see, youre doing that thing that you accuse everyone else of doing here. this isnt about 2 relative equals rough housing. its about a 220 lb roided out musclehead "whooping" a 4 yr old. that there were accidental consequences is irrelevant. he abused the kid and as a result the kid was left with a ghastly scar.

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chinawildman said:

davearm said:

Well the headline reads, "KHOU report: Adrian Peterson hit another one of his sons, leaving scar"

KHOU did do the reporting.

Peterson did acknowledge hitting this boy, in texts to the boy's mother. They're all over the internet.

Mother: "How does that happen, he got a whoopin in the car."

Peterson: "Yep."

There are photographs of the boy with a scar from the incident. Again, widely available on the internet.

It seems the scar resulted not from a direct blow, but rather from one or more flinches/thrashes into the carseat as Peterson was delivering the hits. Again, Peterson's texts are the source of this information.

Peterson: "be still n (and) take ya (your) whopping, he would have saved the scare (scar)."

So what wrong conclusion is being drawn, exactly? Peterson beat his son, and a scar resulted. Those facts do not seem to be in question.

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I'm glad that you carefully dissected the article to glean the relevant contents for yourself.

However if you don't see how the headline infers that a scar resulted directly from Peterson striking his child, then I don't know what else to say.

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Ignoratio Elenchi said:

It amazes me that we're still manufacturing carseats for toddlers with all those hard, sharp edges. You think they'd put some padding on there or something.

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Raiderfan32904 said:

Has Peterson yet admitted any remorse or lack of judgment? Wonder what the damage control strategy is going to be from his camp. At some point, to get past all this media firestorm, he's going to have hatch an exit strategy.

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Raiderfan32904 said:

Ignoratio Elenchi said:

It amazes me that we're still manufacturing carseats for toddlers with all those hard, sharp edges. You think they'd put some padding on there or something.

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I for one don't believe the carseat story. Every one I have used has thick padding and even the straps have pads and foam neck pads. I don't have any proof that I'm right, but the carseat story sounds unlikely.

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Jerry Curl said:

Jason La Canfora retweeted
fka 'WFANAudio' ‏@OrdioMongo 4m
....and NOW you can grab the popcorn... RT @darrenrovell: NFL beer sponsor, Anheuser-Busch, issues strong statement pic.twitter.com/sAVoOOz9eE




Sponsors are now getting involved, maybe the Vikings and the NFL will take this seriously. Anheuser-Busch is one of the NFLs biggest sponsor if not the biggest.

Wanted to add this: Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 4m

Wow RT @APkrawczynski: An eye-opening development: Nike stores in Twin Cities have pulled all Adrian Peterson merch from shelves. Nike.

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fourd said:

Jerry Curl said:

Jason La Canfora retweeted
fka 'WFANAudio' ‏@OrdioMongo 4m
....and NOW you can grab the popcorn... RT @darrenrovell: NFL beer sponsor, Anheuser-Busch, issues strong statement pic.twitter.com/sAVoOOz9eE




Sponsors are now getting involved, maybe the Vikings and the NFL will take this seriously. Anheuser-Busch is one of the NFLs biggest sponsor if not the biggest.

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I wonder which court concerns them?

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Run It Up said:

Just read the blurb on rotoworld about the Minnesota Governor calling for the Vikings to suspend Peterson. Has anything like this ever happened before?

Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton is calling for the Vikings to suspend Adrian Peterson.
Public and political pressure on both the Vikings and the NFL continues to mount. "Whipping a child to the extent of visible wounds, as has been alleged, should not be tolerated in our state. Therefore, I believe the team should suspend Mr. Peterson, until the accusations of child abuse have been resolved by the criminal justice system," read a statement from Dayton. The Vikings have chosen to reinstate Peterson. It remains to be seen if the NFL can or will step in with further discipline.

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Henry Ford said:

dparker713 said:

Henry Ford said:

dparker713 said:

Henry Ford said:

dparker713 said:

chickensoup said:

Raiderfan32904 said:

I'm a parent of 4. Seen and heard things my kids have done that made my internal outrage meter go off. As the most pissed off and physically strongest person in the room, sometimes it's hard to channel that anger and focus your energy into a constructive, patient, lesson learning punishment. That brute animal instinct at the moment the #### hits the fan can make you twitch in anger thinking you need to unload your frustrations. Then you look down at your small child who you love...who cannot in any way defend him or herself from you and you remind yourself that the point of discipline is to right your child. It's not to inflict pain or release personal frustrations. That is not your right as a parent. The line you draw between abuse and discipline is a fine line, but you need to know that there are laws that delineate what you can and cannot do. Throw out cultural bias, that's a worthless crutch that enables domestic violence. The same kind of cultural bias was once used to justify segregation and women's suffrage.

A four year old child cannot even understand half the time what it is they are being punished for. They are very inquisitive at that age, and naturally get themselves in situations that get them into trouble. It's in their nature to push the boundaries. And it's completely normal. What's abnormal is to be a grown (yet immature) man of Adrian Peterson's might that believes he can somehow knock some sense into them. Hiding behind cultural upbringing is buying into the same cycle of violence and the chain never breaks. PSA to future parents, If you don't have patience, then don't get into the parenting business. It's not for everybody.

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In discussions about this kind if thing with people at work I've brought up an alternative idea. Try waiting 15-30 minutes and then do it. It takes all emotion out of it. If it's about discipline, then waiting a few should not matter. I think in many (I'd say most but I don't have data on it, just a feeling) instances, the act of physical punishment of a child is just as much about getting rid of your own anger as it is correcting something that a child does wrong. If you believe physical punishment is a viable parenting choice to correct behaviors (ie a child learns a specific long term lesson from a spanking/whipping) then just waiting until you're calm shouldn't matter right?

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But wouldn't the longer you wait to discipline a child make it less likely that they associate the physical punishment with the unwanted behavior?

Click to expand...

If they're unable to connect the physical punishment to the behavior by reason, then whipping them is no better than whipping a dog. This isn't a good argument.

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You're trying to train two things with the inability to reason and communicate effectively. Why isn't this a good argument?

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Not a big dog trainer, are you?

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Are you claiming you can't train a dog with a whip?

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By whipping it? I guess that depends on what you're training it to do. Are you training it to fear you, be disobedient, and lose control of its bowels?

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Henry Ford said:

Raiderfan32904 said:

Has Peterson yet admitted any remorse or lack of judgment? Wonder what the damage control strategy is going to be from his camp. At some point, to get past all this media firestorm, he's going to have hatch an exit strategy.

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He did come out and say that he's spoken with a mental health professional and is learning skills to move forward with other than beating his children.

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Jerry Curl said:

Raiderfan32904 said:

Has Peterson yet admitted any remorse or lack of judgment? Wonder what the damage control strategy is going to be from his camp. At some point, to get past all this media firestorm, he's going to have hatch an exit strategy.

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With Sponsors pulling, he is done. He will not play another down in the NFL until his court case is over. The Governor and now the money has been pulling out? These people have connections and influence, if you think the Vikings can suffer this blow with the new stadium about to open, you are not aware how the world works.

They have to suspend him, no player is worth protecting with the amount of damage they can do to a franchise and city.

I have been supportive of Goodell, his lack of stepping in here when he stepped in on the Rice issue should cost him his job. He is not fit to run a multi-billion dollar business.

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RenegadeRoy said:

Raiderfan32904 said:

Ignoratio Elenchi said:

It amazes me that we're still manufacturing carseats for toddlers with all those hard, sharp edges. You think they'd put some padding on there or something.

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I for one don't believe the carseat story. Every one I have used has thick padding and even the straps have pads and foam neck pads. I don't have any proof that I'm right, but the carseat story sounds unlikely.

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Especially the nice ones, which a millionaire is more likely to own.

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davearm said:

chinawildman said:

davearm said:

Well the headline reads, "KHOU report: Adrian Peterson hit another one of his sons, leaving scar"

KHOU did do the reporting.

Peterson did acknowledge hitting this boy, in texts to the boy's mother. They're all over the internet.

Mother: "How does that happen, he got a whoopin in the car."

Peterson: "Yep."

There are photographs of the boy with a scar from the incident. Again, widely available on the internet.

It seems the scar resulted not from a direct blow, but rather from one or more flinches/thrashes into the carseat as Peterson was delivering the hits. Again, Peterson's texts are the source of this information.

Peterson: "be still n (and) take ya (your) whopping, he would have saved the scare (scar)."

So what wrong conclusion is being drawn, exactly? Peterson beat his son, and a scar resulted. Those facts do not seem to be in question.

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I'm glad that you carefully dissected the article to glean the relevant contents for yourself.

However if you don't see how the headline infers that a scar resulted from Peterson's fist impacting his child, then I don't know what else to say.

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A scar did result directly from Peterson striking his child. The boy thrashed his head into the carseat, either reacting to, or trying to avoid the strike. Read Peterson's texts where he says as much.

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Johnny Blood said:

Raiderfan32904 said:

Has Peterson yet admitted any remorse or lack of judgment? Wonder what the damage control strategy is going to be from his camp. At some point, to get past all this media firestorm, he's going to have hatch an exit strategy.

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No he posts Biblical paraphrases about how he's on God's path and other people shouldn't judge him.

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Raiderfan32904 said:

Has Peterson yet admitted any remorse or lack of judgment? Wonder what the damage control strategy is going to be from his camp. At some point, to get past all this media firestorm, he's going to have hatch an exit strategy.

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My attorney has asked me not to discuss the facts of my pending case. I hope you can respect that request and help me honor it. I very much want the public to hear from me but I understand that it is not appropriate to talk about the facts in detail at this time. Nevertheless, I want everyone to understand how sorry I feel about the hurt I have brought to my child.

I never wanted to be a distraction to the Vikings organization, the Minnesota community or to my teammates. I never imagined being in a position where the world is judging my parenting skills or calling me a child abuser because of the discipline I administered to my son.

I voluntarily appeared before the grand jury several weeks ago to answer any and all questions they had. Before my grand jury appearance, I was interviewed by two different police agencies without an attorney. In each of these interviews I have said the same thing, and that is that I never ever intended to harm my son. I will say the same thing once I have my day in court.

I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.

I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.

I am not a perfect son. I am not a perfect husband. I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. No one can understand the hurt that I feel for my son and for the harm I caused him. My goal is always to teach my son right from wrong and that’s what I tried to do that day.

I accept the fact that people feel very strongly about this issue and what they think about my conduct. Regardless of what others think, however, I love my son very much and I will continue to try to become a better father and person.

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Jerry Curl said:

Jason La Canfora retweeted
fka 'WFANAudio' ‏@OrdioMongo 4m
....and NOW you can grab the popcorn... RT @darrenrovell: NFL beer sponsor, Anheuser-Busch, issues strong statement pic.twitter.com/sAVoOOz9eE




Sponsors are now getting involved, maybe the Vikings and the NFL will take this seriously. Anheuser-Busch is one of the NFLs biggest sponsor if not the biggest.

Wanted to add this: Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 4m

Wow RT @APkrawczynski: An eye-opening development: Nike stores in Twin Cities have pulled all Adrian Peterson merch from shelves. Nike.

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That's kinda rich from a company that depends on and fosters poor judgment.

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Raiderfan32904 said:

Henry Ford said:

Raiderfan32904 said:

Has Peterson yet admitted any remorse or lack of judgment? Wonder what the damage control strategy is going to be from his camp. At some point, to get past all this media firestorm, he's going to have hatch an exit strategy.

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He did come out and say that he's spoken with a mental health professional and is learning skills to move forward with other than beating his children.

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Thanks, didn't know that. He certainly remade his image in just a short time as one of the NFL's good guys to a violent personality.

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Run It Up said:

Just read the blurb on rotoworld about the Minnesota Governor calling for the Vikings to suspend Peterson. Has anything like this ever happened before?

Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton is calling for the Vikings to suspend Adrian Peterson.

Public and political pressure on both the Vikings and the NFL continues to mount. "Whipping a child to the extent of visible wounds, as has been alleged, should not be tolerated in our state. Therefore, I believe the team should suspend Mr. Peterson, until the accusations of child abuse have been resolved by the criminal justice system," read a statement from Dayton. The Vikings have chosen to reinstate Peterson. It remains to be seen if the NFL can or will step in with further discipline.

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California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsome weighed in that the 49ers should suspend Ray McDonald until the legal process plays out to which Jim Harbaugh responded, "You've seen there's been a lot of public speculation and people weighing in with their opinion, whether it's a public figure or people through social media," Harbaugh said Monday. "Our response would be there are two principles at play here. One is to respect due process. We're not going to flinch based on public speculation."

Pressure is definitely mounting with sponsors and public officials. Will be interesting to see how much and how long the NFL and respective teams can "not flinch." Carolina obviously did this week with Hardy.

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Ignoratio Elenchi said:

And even in the texts he sent at the time of the beating(s), I think he said he felt bad about it. I do honestly believe that he probably meant well, but to me that doesn't excuse his actions. Just because he didn't know any better doesn't mean he didn't do a horrible thing.

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Neofight said:

Fellas, why are you showing us polls from sports related websites regarding AP's fate? Do you think you'd see the same results at parenting.com? What about womensday.com or catholic.org?

Ok, maybe not that last one. But seriously, what do you expect or think this means?

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Isn't your audience and demo what matters?

Or what other aspects of your life do you want to put up to the special interest electorate?

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dparker713 said:

God, Ray Rice must love Adrian Peterson at this point.

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davearm said:

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davearm said:

Well the headline reads, "KHOU report: Adrian Peterson hit another one of his sons, leaving scar"

KHOU did do the reporting.

Peterson did acknowledge hitting this boy, in texts to the boy's mother. They're all over the internet.

Mother: "How does that happen, he got a whoopin in the car."

Peterson: "Yep."

There are photographs of the boy with a scar from the incident. Again, widely available on the internet.

It seems the scar resulted not from a direct blow, but rather from one or more flinches/thrashes into the carseat as Peterson was delivering the hits. Again, Peterson's texts are the source of this information.

Peterson: "be still n (and) take ya (your) whopping, he would have saved the scare (scar)."

So what wrong conclusion is being drawn, exactly? Peterson beat his son, and a scar resulted. Those facts do not seem to be in question.

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I'm glad that you carefully dissected the article to glean the relevant contents for yourself.

However if you don't see how the headline infers that a scar resulted from Peterson's fist impacting his child, then I don't know what else to say.

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A scar did result directly from Peterson striking his child. The boy thrashed his head into the carseat, either reacting to, or trying to avoid the strike. Read Peterson's texts where he says as much.

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There, does that make sense now?

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dparker713 said:

God, Ray Rice must love Adrian Peterson at this point.

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dparker713 said:

God, Ray Rice must love Adrian Peterson at this point.

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It's possible that the feeling is mutual. If the NFL didn't turn the Rice fiasco into another watergate, they probably would have much more legal wiggle room to act on this Peterson case right now. Now they're looking at a lawsuit from the Rice camp, reprimands from sponsors, and a large segment of the population reading into their lack of action as ineptness.

IMO the Vikings really botched it reinstating Peterson so soon. It's like the dumb bank robber that goes out and buys a Ferrari the day after...

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chinawildman said:

dparker713 said:

God, Ray Rice must love Adrian Peterson at this point.

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It's possible that the feeling is mutual. If the NFL didn't turn the Rice fiasco into another watergate, they probably would have much more legal wiggle room to act on this Peterson case right now. Now they're looking at a lawsuit from the Rice camp, reprimands from sponsors, and a large segment of the population reading into their lack of action as ineptness.

IMO the Vikings really botched it reinstating Peterson so soon. It's like the dumb bank robber that goes out and buys a Ferrari the day after...

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The NFL and the Vikings will replace any sponsors they lose in a month - you really think if Anheiser-Busch bolts Miller and Coors won't come running? I'm sure Under Armor would love to take Nike's spot, as would Addidas.

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chinawildman said:

dparker713 said:

God, Ray Rice must love Adrian Peterson at this point.

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It's possible that the feeling is mutual. If the NFL didn't turn the Rice fiasco into another watergate, they probably would have much more legal wiggle room to act on this Peterson case right now. Now they're looking at a lawsuit from the Rice camp, reprimands from sponsors, and a large segment of the population reading into their lack of action as ineptness.

IMO the Vikings really botched it reinstating Peterson so soon. It's like the dumb bank robber that goes out and buys a Ferrari the day after...

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The NFL and the Vikings will replace any sponsors they lose in a month - you really think if Anheiser-Busch bolts Miller and Coors won't come running? I'm sure Under Armor would love to take Nike's spot, as would Addidas.

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Ignoratio Elenchi said:

It amazes me that we're still manufacturing carseats for toddlers with all those hard, sharp edges. You think they'd put some padding on there or something.

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I for one don't believe the carseat story. Every one I have used has thick padding and even the straps have pads and foam neck pads. I don't have any proof that I'm right, but the carseat story sounds unlikely.

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