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Lavar Arrington (1 Viewer)

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Not too much more information here but confirmation that Lavar isn't your mother's strong-side linebacker.

Giants.com

Q: When he [Arrington] was signed, there was some confusion about weak side linebacker, who’s going to play weak side linebacker. Why did you leave him there, what’s the difference between weak and strong side?

A: In defensive football, you have to give each position a name, like corner, safety, mike linebacker, three technique, one technique. So for our two outside linebackers, we just don’t call them left and right, because we flip flop them. We have to call one a will and one a sam and going into camp we’re lining up LaVar as the sam. Most people when they hear that, they think of sam being a strong side, more tight end side, and up on the line of scrimmage all the time.

There’s no doubt that LaVar will do all of those things, but in Tim’s defense there is so much flexibility, and such a multiple front defense, that you’ll see him in the first three days of practice lined up to the tight end side, lined up to the split end side, he’ll be lined up to what we call the formation strength, he’ll be lined up to the weak side of the formation.

So there’s nothing to say well he’s the sam and why are you playing here because he’s going to be lining up here and doing these things. That’s not the case at all, him and Carlos [Emmons] will be doing very similar things.

Obviously everybody’s aware of LaVar’s ability to rush the passer and we want to at least put him in a position where he is at least a threat to do that. To say he’s the sam and he’s only going to be doing these limited things and Carlos’ position as a will is going to be dramatically different, it’s not. We still refer to them as the two outside linebackers.

 
It seems most defenses like to use positions interchangeably, and that "strong" or "weak" side designations mean as little now as they ever did.

Obviously everybody’s aware of LaVar’s ability to rush the passer and we want to at least put him in a position where he is at least a threat to do that.
This is one of the myths about Lavar. He's not a great pass rusher. He's a great athlete who, during one season under Marvin Lewis, was used basically as a DE because Lewis had so little faith in his ability to play LB within his scheme. He managed to get 11 sacks that year (IIRC). The criticism of his pass rushing ability is that he doesn't really have any moves and simply does the same thing over and over. Again, he's far better as an instinctive player who is allowed to flow to the ball. Frankly, I think he'd be best suited as the WLB in Dungy's Cover-2 scheme given those talents. The closest he's ever been to having that level of freedom was under Schottenheimer in 2001 when they essentially built the defense around him ("tipped the field to him", as they called it) and let him run around and make plays. While not statistically impressive, he was dominant.

I think he's going to have a strong year because he'll want to prove his doubters in Washington and around the league wrong, but he's got weaknesses in his game and it doesn't help that one of his strengths - his athleticism - is still in doubt given his knee injury.

 
Recurring knee problems for Lavar?

This practice was in shells. It was on the close field so there was a good view.

First the bad. Lavar was out. His knee was heavily wrapped. They didn't even let him ride the regular bike, rather they had him working on the upper body bike. He walked gingerly and with a limp. I could see he was even uncomfortable standing on the side lines watching the practice.
Obviously, this source is begging for confirmation so, Giants fans, what have you heard here?
 
I am not an IDPer, but will continue posting updates/news if wantd ....

Arrington may not be 100% this year

Published Thu Aug 10 2:39:00 p.m. ET 2006

(Rotoworld) There is a growing belief that Lavar Arrington "won't be 100%" this year.

Impact: Arrington is downplaying the talk, but he reportedly has a degenerative knee condition. That's why many teams stayed away from signing him and why the Giants made a lot of his contract incentive-based.

 
This is not good, plain and simple, for Arrington owners. He's now two years out from his initial knee problems, and he insisted all last year that he was healthy even though he didn't quite look like the player he had been. Mostly that was attributed to not quite being back in playing shape, and then of course his sporadic playing time didn't help either.

What I'm now wondering is whether lost in all of the fueds with Gregg Williams and his lack of playing time was a serious and now-chronic knee injury that had not quite gotten healed right and that may plague him for the rest of his career.

 
Giants | Team devising a plan to keep Arrington on the practice field

Published Thu Aug 10 10:06:00 p.m. ET 2006

(KFFL) Arthur Staple, of Newsday, reports the New York Giants medical staff and head coach Tom Coughlin are devising a plan to keep LB LaVar Arrington (knee) on the practice field while keeping the swelling in his knee to a minimum. Coughlin said, "Hopefully, it's not to any great extent during the season. It could be the season, it could be more than training camp, so it's always something we're going to have to be very much aware of."

 
Recurring knee problems for Lavar?

This practice was in shells. It was on the close field so there was a good view.

First the bad. Lavar was out. His knee was heavily wrapped. They didn't even let him ride the regular bike, rather they had him working on the upper body bike. He walked gingerly and with a limp. I could see he was even uncomfortable standing on the side lines watching the practice.
Obviously, this source is begging for confirmation so, Giants fans, what have you heard here?
Lavar is seemingly going out of his way trying to convince anyone who will listen that he doesn't have a degenerative knee condition. He's chalking up the existing inflammation simply to the stepped up workouts training camp has put the knee through. Arrington has gone out of his way to praise the Giants training staff making references to their priority to see him at 100%. He's also taking some not too thinly veiled shots at the Skins medical staff, claiming they rushed him back from injury.

I think this is all pretty much playerspeak. Arrington does have a gimpy knee that likely will bother him all season. However I tend to think he'll be able to play through most of this. He just won't do a ton of practicing once the season begins. Arrington should still be able to perform at a pretty high level, although that being said, I struggle to see him as a player who won't have to deal with this for pretty much the remainder of his career.

 
He's also taking some not too thinly veiled shots at the Skins medical staff, claiming they rushed him back from injury.
:rolleyes: This was his story in Washington too, the problem was though that it was him insisting - over the objections of trainer Bubba Tyer - upon playing in that meaningless San Francisco game in Week 16 two years ago on the way to a 6-10 season. Honestly, can you imagine a Joe Gibbs staff insisting an important player return to the field under those circumstances?

Why did Lavar want back into the lineup? It was purely because he felt left out of a defense that was clearly special (better than last year's defense overall IMHO) and he was watching Lemar Marshall perform very well at his WLB position and felt threatened. He was also in the midst of that stupid contract dispute where he was alleging that the 'Skins changed the terms of the contract that he signed to short-change him on a signing bonus, and he probably felt the need to show that he could still play to support his argument there.

I could say more but I'll leave it at that.

 
He's also taking some not too thinly veiled shots at the Skins medical staff, claiming they rushed him back from injury.
:rolleyes: This was his story in Washington too, the problem was though that it was him insisting - over the objections of trainer Bubba Tyer - upon playing in that meaningless San Francisco game in Week 16 two years ago on the way to a 6-10 season. Honestly, can you imagine a Joe Gibbs staff insisting an important player return to the field under those circumstances?

Why did Lavar want back into the lineup? It was purely because he felt left out of a defense that was clearly special (better than last year's defense overall IMHO) and he was watching Lemar Marshall perform very well at his WLB position and felt threatened. He was also in the midst of that stupid contract dispute where he was alleging that the 'Skins changed the terms of the contract that he signed to short-change him on a signing bonus, and he probably felt the need to show that he could still play to support his argument there.

I could say more but I'll leave it at that.
You're making this statement as if I'm arguing with you. All I said was that Arrington took some shots at the Skins medical staff. I didn't contend that I agreed with him.
 
He's also taking some not too thinly veiled shots at the Skins medical staff, claiming they rushed him back from injury.
:rolleyes: This was his story in Washington too, the problem was though that it was him insisting - over the objections of trainer Bubba Tyer - upon playing in that meaningless San Francisco game in Week 16 two years ago on the way to a 6-10 season. Honestly, can you imagine a Joe Gibbs staff insisting an important player return to the field under those circumstances?

Why did Lavar want back into the lineup? It was purely because he felt left out of a defense that was clearly special (better than last year's defense overall IMHO) and he was watching Lemar Marshall perform very well at his WLB position and felt threatened. He was also in the midst of that stupid contract dispute where he was alleging that the 'Skins changed the terms of the contract that he signed to short-change him on a signing bonus, and he probably felt the need to show that he could still play to support his argument there.

I could say more but I'll leave it at that.
You're making this statement as if I'm arguing with you. All I said was that Arrington took some shots at the Skins medical staff. I didn't contend that I agreed with him.
My response wasn't directed at you. I was :rolleyes: because of Arrington's comments, not because of anything you wrote. Lavar is a lot like Warren Sapp - he loves the spotlight and he certainly has (in Sapp's case, had) talent but he's really a pain in the butt when things don't go well and he confuses his public image as license to not be a team player.
 
It seems most defenses like to use positions interchangeably, and that "strong" or "weak" side designations mean as little now as they ever did.

Obviously everybody’s aware of LaVar’s ability to rush the passer and we want to at least put him in a position where he is at least a threat to do that.
This is one of the myths about Lavar. He's not a great pass rusher. He's a great athlete who, during one season under Marvin Lewis, was used basically as a DE because Lewis had so little faith in his ability to play LB within his scheme. He managed to get 11 sacks that year (IIRC). The criticism of his pass rushing ability is that he doesn't really have any moves and simply does the same thing over and over. Again, he's far better as an instinctive player who is allowed to flow to the ball. Frankly, I think he'd be best suited as the WLB in Dungy's Cover-2 scheme given those talents. The closest he's ever been to having that level of freedom was under Schottenheimer in 2001 when they essentially built the defense around him ("tipped the field to him", as they called it) and let him run around and make plays. While not statistically impressive, he was dominant.

I think he's going to have a strong year because he'll want to prove his doubters in Washington and around the league wrong, but he's got weaknesses in his game and it doesn't help that one of his strengths - his athleticism - is still in doubt given his knee injury.
SKins let that punk go for a reason. His Knee is shot! He will never be the LB that the Giants THINK they got. Have fun G-men...enjoy the premadona. Used to love that man but he just is a shadow of his former self
 
Ouch!

Every Play Counts: LaVar Arrington

9/20/2006

by Michael David Smith

Early in the 2005 season the Washington Redskins did something that just a year earlier would have seemed unthinkable: They put three-time Pro Bowl linebacker LaVar Arrington on their inactive list. Arrington was healthy and ready to play, but the Redskins’ coaching staff explained that whenever they put him on the field, he did his own thing rather than play within the defensive system, and his refusal to follow the game plan hurt the team.

Arrington made it back into the starting lineup later in the year, but he wasn’t happy in Washington, and his coaches weren’t happy with him. During the off-season both parties agreed to go their separate ways, and Arrington signed a contract with the division rival New York Giants.

So now that Arrington is in a new environment, is he able to play within the confines of the defense? Watching Arrington on every play of the Giants’ victory over the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday showed that he doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing in pass coverage, has lost the blend of speed and power that once made him a terror as a pass rusher, and generally looks washed up at the age of 28.

In the scheme run by Giants defensive coordinator Tim Lewis, linebackers have to read the offense and react, rather than simply attack as soon as the ball is snapped. Although a read-and-react defense by definition forces linebackers to see what the offense is doing before they can pursue the play, it’s surprising how passive Arrington looked against Philadelphia. On one first-and-10 swing pass to running back Brian Westbrook along the left sideline, Arrington was closing in and could have taken a shot at Westbrook, but when he saw that his teammate, cornerback Sam Madison, was about to make the tackle, he slowed down and watched. Sure, Madison tackled Westbrook and it didn’t hurt the Giants that Arrington didn’t get there to help out, but what if Madison had missed? Arrington should have followed up the play in case Westbrook had broken Madison’s tackle, but he seemed content to leave the work to someone else.

Early in his career, Arrington was at his best when he lined up on the line of scrimmage and blitzed. That’s what he did in 2002, when Marvin Lewis was his coordinator and he led all NFL linebackers with 11 sacks. But in the Giants’ defense he just as often lines up four yards off the line of scrimmage and has coverage responsibilities on short passes in the flat. He struggles with that job.

On a first-and-10 late in the first half Sunday, Arrington got completely turned around in coverage, following tight end L.J. Smith deeper than he needed to (he had a defensive back behind him), opening up a huge area of real estate that Westbrook entered to catch a seven-yard pass. Arrington did make the tackle on that play, but if he had been in the correct position he would have stopped the pass from being completed in the first place.

That was far from the only time Arrington gave too much of a cushion to a Philadelphia running back. On a third-and-3, Donovan McNabb passed to running back Thomas Tapeh, with Arrington in coverage. Arrington backed up far enough that he allowed Tapeh to run past the first-down marker and turn around with plenty of space. Tapeh dropped McNabb’s pass, but if he hadn’t it would have been a first down.

Arrington also had trouble tackling. On a nine-yard completion to Correll Buckhalter late in the first half, Arrington was in coverage and should have tackled Buckhalter for a short gain, but Buckhalter ran through Arrington’s arms and picked up five extra yards before Carlos Emmons tackled him. The Eagles obviously noticed Arrington struggling. After that missed tackle they threw three consecutive passes into the left flat, exactly where Arrington was in coverage. Those coverage problems are why Arrington comes out in the nickel package.

If he looked incompetent against the pass, Arrington looked uninterested against the run. On a third-and-2 run by Correll Buckhalter, Arrington lined up on the line of scrimmage outside the left tackle, but when Buckhalter went up the middle, Arrington just stood there and watched. Two plays later he did it again: If you see a replay of Brian Westbrook’s 12-yard touchdown run in the first quarter, keep an eye on Arrington. He lined up outside Philadelphia’s left tackle and Westbrook ran outside the right tackle, so no one would expect Arrington to make the play. But everyone would expect Arrington to try to get into the vicinity in case Westbrook cut back in the other direction, and he didn’t. As soon as he saw Westbrook turn the corner, he slowed his pursuit to a jog. There’s just no excuse for loafing the way Arrington did on that play.

Even when Arrington was in position to make tackles, he didn’t fight off the Eagles’ blocks. On the first play of the second half, when Westbrook ran in Arrington’s direction and gained 13 yards, Arrington got abused by Eagles tight end L.J. Smith. Arrington tried to get into the backfield around Smith’s outside shoulder, but Smith drove him about 10 yards back.

Perhaps most troubling was Arrington’s performance on Westbrook’s crucial fourth-quarter fumble. When the ball came loose, Arrington just stood there and watched as his teammates and the Eagles scrambled for it. Four minutes remained in the game and the Giants trailed by 10. That turnover fueled their dramatic comeback victory. You’d think Arrington would be doing everything he could to get to the ball, but he just didn’t look too interested.

Is Arrington lazy? That would certainly be a reasonable conclusion, although it’s also possible that his knee is hurting him so much that he doesn’t want to go full speed unless it’s absolutely necessary. Since undergoing multiple surgeries for a 2004 knee injury, Arrington has often talked of the pain he feels. Whatever the reason for Arrington’s going in slow motion on so many plays, it’s going to hurt the Giants’ defense.

Saying he has slowed down because of his knee isn’t a question of Arrington’s toughness, though. On the first play of the second quarter, Arrington ran head-first into Westbrook and went down with a pinched nerve in his neck, appearing to be in a lot of pain. He sat out only two plays before returning to the game.

But that knee is most likely why blitzing, which was once Arrington’s forte, is now an exercise in futility. Arrington did blitz a few times, but he was never successful. Both of the Eagles’ tackles were able to keep him in check, and even Westbrook, a running back who weighs 203 pounds to Arrington’s 257, had no trouble blocking Arrington, stopping him on multiple plays before he even got close to McNabb. On one third-and-2 early in the third quarter, Arrington blitzed and Westbrook took him out low. The old Arrington would have jumped over a running back who dove at his legs, but this version of Arrington went straight down to the ground as McNabb completed a pass for a first down. Arrington looks nothing like the Penn State player who famously leaped over the offensive line to drill a fullback the instant he received a handoff. He has now played in 18 games since he last had a sack.

Arrington was benched in Washington because he couldn’t play within the schemes of defensive coordinator Gregg Williams. Now he seems unable or unwilling to play within Giants coordinator Tim Lewis’s schemes. But what’s fascinating is that Lewis and Williams run very different defenses. Williams, a Buddy Ryan protégé, likes his linebackers to attack and run as fast as they can to the ball on every play. Lewis likes his linebackers to read the offense, stay in coverage, and make sure they’re always in the proper position. It makes sense that a linebacker would have trouble moving from one of those systems to the other, but a linebacker who can’t fit into either has a problem.

Arrington says he just wants to line up and drill someone, which would seem to make him a perfect fit as a special teams gunner. But the best special teams players are the ones who never stop hustling, and Arrington doesn’t fit in that mold. There just isn’t a place on a football team for a player who played the way Arrington did on Sunday.

On the FOX broadcast of the game, commentator Troy Aikman said, “LaVar has not shown the same intensity that I was used to seeing of him when he first came into the league.” Aikman would know. It was a tough hit by Arrington that gave Aikman the concussion that ended his career. But Arrington didn’t deliver any tough hits on Sunday. Arrington’s contract was described in the media as a seven-year, $49 million deal, but the contract was so back-loaded that the Giants can get out of it whenever they want without too big a hit on their cap. Unless he improves dramatically as this season wears on, he shouldn’t be back with the Giants next year.

Each week, Michael David Smith looks at one specific player or one aspect of a team on every single play of the previous game. Standard caveat applies: Yes, one game is not necessarily an indicator of performance over the entire season.

posted 9-20-2006 at 10:05 AM by Michael David Smith
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I've been watching a lot of Arrington too. I'm also unimpressed with his play but this writer seems to have an axe to grind. Arrington letting up so Madison could make the tackle wasn't the loafer play the writer describes. Also any player can get hurt if they take a hit awkwardly. The neck burner Arrington suffered wasn't due to being freight trained by Westbrook the way the writer implies. Westbrook made a cut that went against the direction that Arrington was expecting to impact him. As such, his head and neck got awkwardly bent to the side. It was kinda ugly and Lavar's fortunate it was only a burner. However this wasn't a case of Westbrook being a brute and Arrington getting flattened by a guy half his size. Calling Arrington out for this is pretty bush. It would be akin to calling Portis soft for his separated shoulder in preseason. Portis simply got hit awkwardly and the shoulder popped. Same thing applied here.

Arrington has been a disappointment thus far but you could say that about a lot of the Giants D. Lewis's "read n react" could be labelled "give up 13 yards and tackle" at this point. The LB's look lost and the aggressive pass rush many expected isn't there. I don't think its because of a lack of talent. Lewis needs to rethink his schemes and question if he's putting guys in the best position to succeed. Arrington has been easily neutralized on blitzes but it's been painfully obvious to everyone in the stadium when he's coming and when he's dropping back. Lewis has done a horrible job of disguising fronts and instead is relying on the front 4 to pressure the passer on their talent alone while the back 7 help in pass coverage. On paper it doesn't sound horrible, especially based on how good a rush the NY DE's provided a year ago, but through 2 games it's not working. Time to go back to the drawing board Tim.

 

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