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KC dumping the 2007 season? (1 Viewer)

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Andy Dufresne said:
Both lines are terrible.Their WR situation is dire.Their corners are ancient and are going on reputation.Their LBs are average at best.They have no depth at RBThey have Herm Edwards as head coach.At least they have a couple good young safeties. :shrug:
Jared Allen and Tamba Hali give them one of the best young DE tandems in the league.Their LBs are much better than average with the addition of Donnie Edwards.Tough to find a better CB tandem in the league these days. There may be a few, but not much more than that.
We discuss this later in the thread, so keep reading. But to sum up...1) I was partially wrong about the DL. The DE's are fine. But one of them is facing a suspension and their DTs are teh suck.2) Better than average <> "one of the best" like Ashcraft professed.3) I don't think it's hard at all. Surtain and Law are both over the hill and living off reputation.
Go ask Peyton Manning how over the hill Ty Law is.
 
i think you got to rank the afc west in the following order:

1. san diego

2. denver

3. oakland

4. chiefs

chiefs will have a top 10 pick in the 2008 draft.

 
This is out of hand....the asinine irrational people in this thread are doing nothing but stirring the pot because, hey it's Kansas City, not an east coast fan base that will stand up for itself.

Over the last 18 seasons, KC has had ONE season below 7-9, they are one of the top 5 winningest franchises, and you would think they were one of the five worst with all the stones being thrown at this team every season by people who post lies.
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What do you mean.....since 1989 they have had one season (2001) where they were worse than 7-9.
That was for the first sentence not the second.As to the second, I'm not sure what being specatularly average since 1989 has to do with THIS season.
It is that the trend is that (FOR THE THIRD TIME) once in the last 18 seasons the Chiefs have been worse than 7-9. Every year they are in the playoff picture until the last week or two, and many times they get in. Now I agree they have not done much with those playoff games, but that is neither here nor there in this discussion.
 
This is out of hand....the asinine irrational people in this thread are doing nothing but stirring the pot because, hey it's Kansas City, not an east coast fan base that will stand up for itself.Over the last 18 seasons, KC has had ONE season below 7-9, they are one of the top 5 winningest franchises, and you would think they were one of the five worst with all the stones being thrown at this team every season by people who post lies.
Stop it.Kevin - I visited that KC Chief site and I read through the recent 13 page "Would you Fire Herm" thread.... There's KC Fans that feel every bit the same about Herm as I do..... That he isn't and never was a Football genius - Never coached one side of the ball and is nothing more than a motivational speaker reliant on his assistants and GM to do all the dirty work - DO you hear any substance in his interviews???I like the Chiefs and have no ill will for that team - But, I'm fairly confident that Herm will never win a Super Bowl as a Head coach and as the years pass more and more KC fans will learn the truth.
 
Seriously though, anyone picking the Raiders to finish ahead of the Chiefs is :shrug:

Oakland would struggle against a college team.

 
Go ask Peyton Manning how over the hill Ty Law is.
I would, but he's at the White House meeting the President.
Hopefully Ty Law is not there too or Manning might have a tough time completing that Presidential hand shake. Not a slam on Manning just pointing out to the cry babies that Law is apparently not over the hill and living on reputation. Unless of course Manning and Law are best buddies and those 2 INTs in last year's Wild Card game were just a friendly gesture. :thumbdown:
 
This is out of hand....the asinine irrational people in this thread are doing nothing but stirring the pot because, hey it's Kansas City, not an east coast fan base that will stand up for itself.Over the last 18 seasons, KC has had ONE season below 7-9, they are one of the top 5 winningest franchises, and you would think they were one of the five worst with all the stones being thrown at this team every season by people who post lies.
Stop it.Kevin - I visited that KC Chief site and I read through the recent 13 page "Would you Fire Herm" thread.... There's KC Fans that feel every bit the same about Herm as I do..... That he isn't and never was a Football genius - Never coached one side of the ball and is nothing more than a motivational speaker reliant on his assistants and GM to do all the dirty work - DO you hear any substance in his interviews???I like the Chiefs and have no ill will for that team - But, I'm fairly confident that Herm will never win a Super Bowl as a Head coach and as the years pass more and more KC fans will learn the truth.
So he may not win a friggin Super Bowl, neither did Marty and I would take him over 95% of the coaches in the NFL right now.Is it that NY fans are so high on their horse that they cannot be happy with multiple playoff appearances when there were years they had top 5 picks? Is that it....just plain unregulated arrogance? Because that is what it sounds like.
 
Seriously though, anyone picking the Raiders to finish ahead of the Chiefs is :pickle: Oakland would struggle against a college team.
The D was solid last year. The offense struggled because the O-Line played like :thumbdown: . If they fix the O-line and have a decent QB they have the firepower to score. That with the D would mean they would be competitive again. Question is- can Kiffin and Cable get the job done in one off season?
 
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i think you got to rank the afc west in the following order:1. san diego2. denver3. oakland4. chiefschiefs will have a top 10 pick in the 2008 draft.
Stop that. Ashcraft's goat is MINE, and YOU CAN'T HAVE IT!
:thumbdown:
There's a big, fat one in Routilla's lawn you can have.
Don't start :cry: now, just use less opinion and more facts to create your mindless player evaluations. :pickle:
 
Surtain and Law are both over the hill and living off reputation.
More weak, non-fact based opinion. Try again. :thumbdown:
Facts.Interesting article. Ty Law had a lower stop rate and gave up more yards per play than Ike Taylor.

Surtain had one pick the entire year and was the nickle back in nickle situations. What a ringing endorsement of his abilities.

 
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The D was solid last year. The offense struggled because the O-Line played like . If they fix the O-line and have a decent QB they have the firepower to score. That with the D would mean they would be competitive again.
So all they need to do is fix the O-Line AND get a QB. How do you propose they do all of that in the next 5 months?Drafting Russell means they are looking down the road and not at 2007.
 
The D was solid last year. The offense struggled because the O-Line played like . If they fix the O-line and have a decent QB they have the firepower to score. That with the D would mean they would be competitive again.
So all they need to do is fix the O-Line AND get a QB. How do you propose they do all of that in the next 5 months?Drafting Russell means they are looking down the road and not at 2007.
I am fairly convinced that the O-line play last year was much more coaching than it was players. But they have made moves to bring in new players. Cable has proven himself in the NFL as a line coach. I am not expecting them to play like the KC O-line of years past but protecting the QB for longer than 3 steps BAM should be something that can get them to do. I am telling you right now, the Raiders will be a MUCH better team this year. I am not talking a New Orleans type of turn around but they will be competitive. How competitive is going to be on Cable and Kiffin's shoulders.
 
Interesting article. Ty Law had a lower stop rate and gave up more yards per play than Ike Taylor.Surtain had one pick the entire year and was the nickle back in nickle situations. What a ringing endorsement of his abilities.
I also noticed Law picked off Manning twice in last year's WC game and the KC defense did not allow a TD pass until the 4th Q. They held IND to 23 points at the RCA dome. Not a bad performance from a poor defense. Now the offense struggled that game without a doubt and I think T. Green was the primary responsibility, just look at his stats. Luckily he is leaving.
 
This is out of hand....the asinine irrational people in this thread are doing nothing but stirring the pot because, hey it's Kansas City, not an east coast fan base that will stand up for itself.Over the last 18 seasons, KC has had ONE season below 7-9, they are one of the top 5 winningest franchises, and you would think they were one of the five worst with all the stones being thrown at this team every season by people who post lies.
Stop it.Kevin - I visited that KC Chief site and I read through the recent 13 page "Would you Fire Herm" thread.... There's KC Fans that feel every bit the same about Herm as I do..... That he isn't and never was a Football genius - Never coached one side of the ball and is nothing more than a motivational speaker reliant on his assistants and GM to do all the dirty work - DO you hear any substance in his interviews???I like the Chiefs and have no ill will for that team - But, I'm fairly confident that Herm will never win a Super Bowl as a Head coach and as the years pass more and more KC fans will learn the truth.
So he may not win a friggin Super Bowl, neither did Marty and I would take him over 95% of the coaches in the NFL right now.Is it that NY fans are so high on their horse that they cannot be happy with multiple playoff appearances when there were years they had top 5 picks? Is that it....just plain unregulated arrogance? Because that is what it sounds like.
Again, Talk to other afc east fans who really miss Herm in NY.And I'd take Marty as well - He's coached and studied the game for MANY years - There's little comparison to Herm, knowledge and experience wise.I don't see why you use the word arrogance just because I have the opinion that Herm Edwards can't outcoach a flea..... It's just an opinion. Way back when the Jets hired Paul Hackett I remember, maybe not on this board, but a lot of KC fans swarmed Jet fans saying what a bum the guy was and that he'd frustrate us to all hell.. (was that arrogance or just sharing of opinions?) We dug up our Montana quotes and said, "Give the guy a chance".... That went on for about 2 seasons until we were ready to kill the guy - And, yeah they made the playoffs..... I see the same thing happening here.It's not like we're talking Bill Belichik who was a known Defensive genius... His specialty is rambling and motivating and I think that motivating shtick wears off real fast with players - Players want to hear about X's and O's to REALLY get motivated - Jet players are still being quoted about the Game plans and comparisons to the past regime how things are on a more Intellectual brand of football now than in the recent past..... At least KC will have room for coaching improvement and when it's all said and done, I say the next regime will look like geniuses.
 
The D was solid last year. The offense struggled because the O-Line played like . If they fix the O-line and have a decent QB they have the firepower to score. That with the D would mean they would be competitive again.
So all they need to do is fix the O-Line AND get a QB. How do you propose they do all of that in the next 5 months?Drafting Russell means they are looking down the road and not at 2007.
Goes to show that the Eagles have a smart coach as well as smart fans.
 
This is out of hand....the asinine irrational people in this thread are doing nothing but stirring the pot because, hey it's Kansas City, not an east coast fan base that will stand up for itself.Over the last 18 seasons, KC has had ONE season below 7-9, they are one of the top 5 winningest franchises, and you would think they were one of the five worst with all the stones being thrown at this team every season by people who post lies.
Stop it.Kevin - I visited that KC Chief site and I read through the recent 13 page "Would you Fire Herm" thread.... There's KC Fans that feel every bit the same about Herm as I do..... That he isn't and never was a Football genius - Never coached one side of the ball and is nothing more than a motivational speaker reliant on his assistants and GM to do all the dirty work - DO you hear any substance in his interviews???I like the Chiefs and have no ill will for that team - But, I'm fairly confident that Herm will never win a Super Bowl as a Head coach and as the years pass more and more KC fans will learn the truth.
So he may not win a friggin Super Bowl, neither did Marty and I would take him over 95% of the coaches in the NFL right now.Is it that NY fans are so high on their horse that they cannot be happy with multiple playoff appearances when there were years they had top 5 picks? Is that it....just plain unregulated arrogance? Because that is what it sounds like.
Again, Talk to other afc east fans who really miss Herm in NY.And I'd take Marty as well - He's coached and studied the game for MANY years - There's little comparison to Herm, knowledge and experience wise.I don't see why you use the word arrogance just because I have the opinion that Herm Edwards can't outcoach a flea..... It's just an opinion. Way back when the Jets hired Paul Hackett I remember, maybe not on this board, but a lot of KC fans swarmed Jet fans saying what a bum the guy was and that he'd frustrate us to all hell.. (was that arrogance or just sharing of opinions?) We dug up our Montana quotes and said, "Give the guy a chance".... That went on for about 2 seasons until we were ready to kill the guy - And, yeah they made the playoffs..... I see the same thing happening here.It's not like we're talking Bill Belichik who was a known Defensive genius... His specialty is rambling and motivating and I think that motivating shtick wears off real fast with players - Players want to hear about X's and O's to REALLY get motivated - Jet players are still being quoted about the Game plans and comparisons to the past regime how things are on a more Intellectual brand of football now than in the recent past..... At least KC will have room for coaching improvement and when it's all said and done, I say the next regime will look like geniuses.
Yet that past regime had multiple playoff appearances.
 
Interesting article. Ty Law had a lower stop rate and gave up more yards per play than Ike Taylor.Surtain had one pick the entire year and was the nickle back in nickle situations. What a ringing endorsement of his abilities.
I also noticed Law picked off Manning twice in last year's WC game and the KC defense did not allow a TD pass until the 4th Q. They held IND to 23 points at the RCA dome. Not a bad performance from a poor defense. Now the offense struggled that game without a doubt and I think T. Green was the primary responsibility, just look at his stats. Luckily he is leaving.
What does that prove? Law had inflated stats his last year in New York too. He ended with 10 picks, but three of them came in the final, meaningless game of the 2005 season against Buffalo.I hope you're not hanging your hat on one playoff game. Law and Surtain combined for just 5 picks the entire year..
 
I also noticed Law picked off Manning twice in last year's WC game
You seem to be putting an inordinate amount of stock into that one game. What is this? The fourth or fifth time you've mentioned it in this thread?
That was the last game I saw KC play and the defense played a pretty good game all things considered. I'll mention it as many times as I feel like it. The negative posts are very unsubstantiated IMO. Atleast I'm using facts rather than opinions full of hot air. If you don't like it find another thread. Maybe start a new one entitled "Opinions only please". :rant:
 
I also noticed Law picked off Manning twice in last year's WC game
You seem to be putting an inordinate amount of stock into that one game. What is this? The fourth or fifth time you've mentioned it in this thread?
That was the last game I saw KC play and the defense played a pretty good game all things considered. I'll mention it as many times as I feel like it. The negative posts are very unsubstantiated IMO. Atleast I'm using facts rather than opinions full of hot air. If you don't like it find another thread. Maybe start a new one entitled "Opinions only please". :goodposting:
I gave you facts but then you brushed them aside with the "yeah but" of the playoff performance.I'm glad you're all so hopeful for your squad. Enjoy the season.
 
This is out of hand....the asinine irrational people in this thread are doing nothing but stirring the pot because, hey it's Kansas City, not an east coast fan base that will stand up for itself.Over the last 18 seasons, KC has had ONE season below 7-9, they are one of the top 5 winningest franchises, and you would think they were one of the five worst with all the stones being thrown at this team every season by people who post lies.
Stop it.Kevin - I visited that KC Chief site and I read through the recent 13 page "Would you Fire Herm" thread.... There's KC Fans that feel every bit the same about Herm as I do..... That he isn't and never was a Football genius - Never coached one side of the ball and is nothing more than a motivational speaker reliant on his assistants and GM to do all the dirty work - DO you hear any substance in his interviews???I like the Chiefs and have no ill will for that team - But, I'm fairly confident that Herm will never win a Super Bowl as a Head coach and as the years pass more and more KC fans will learn the truth.
So he may not win a friggin Super Bowl, neither did Marty and I would take him over 95% of the coaches in the NFL right now.Is it that NY fans are so high on their horse that they cannot be happy with multiple playoff appearances when there were years they had top 5 picks? Is that it....just plain unregulated arrogance? Because that is what it sounds like.
Again, Talk to other afc east fans who really miss Herm in NY.And I'd take Marty as well - He's coached and studied the game for MANY years - There's little comparison to Herm, knowledge and experience wise.I don't see why you use the word arrogance just because I have the opinion that Herm Edwards can't outcoach a flea..... It's just an opinion. Way back when the Jets hired Paul Hackett I remember, maybe not on this board, but a lot of KC fans swarmed Jet fans saying what a bum the guy was and that he'd frustrate us to all hell.. (was that arrogance or just sharing of opinions?) We dug up our Montana quotes and said, "Give the guy a chance".... That went on for about 2 seasons until we were ready to kill the guy - And, yeah they made the playoffs..... I see the same thing happening here.It's not like we're talking Bill Belichik who was a known Defensive genius... His specialty is rambling and motivating and I think that motivating shtick wears off real fast with players - Players want to hear about X's and O's to REALLY get motivated - Jet players are still being quoted about the Game plans and comparisons to the past regime how things are on a more Intellectual brand of football now than in the recent past..... At least KC will have room for coaching improvement and when it's all said and done, I say the next regime will look like geniuses.
Yet that past regime had multiple playoff appearances.
Exactly - So in the short term, To some KC fans, Herm actually looks ok.For now.But, we both know a lot goes into an NFL season and scheduling and injuries play a huge role in the W/L record... It didn't work out for Vermeil but, Vermiel could at least coach one side of the ball... He's worlds ahead of where Herm will ever be knowledge wise about the game.I'll leave it at that - Also knowing a lot of KC fans agree with me to varying degrees. - You're a radical.
 
What does that prove?
It proves the defense held their own against the premier passing offense in the league on their home field. The defense as a whole did their job IMO. The QB situation is what hurt KC the most IMO. If the CBs were over the hill and living on reputation then Manning would have thrown for 300+ and 3TDs. So I disagree with your defensive analysis of KC, and with IND being the last game to look at it was not bad at all.
 
What does that prove?
It proves the defense held their own against the premier passing offense in the league on their home field. The defense as a whole did their job IMO. The QB situation is what hurt KC the most IMO. If the CBs were over the hill and living on reputation then Manning would have thrown for 300+ and 3TDs. So I disagree with your defensive analysis of KC, and with IND being the last game to look at it was not bad at all.
Okay.
 
This is out of hand....the asinine irrational people in this thread are doing nothing but stirring the pot because, hey it's Kansas City, not an east coast fan base that will stand up for itself.Over the last 18 seasons, KC has had ONE season below 7-9, they are one of the top 5 winningest franchises, and you would think they were one of the five worst with all the stones being thrown at this team every season by people who post lies.
Stop it.Kevin - I visited that KC Chief site and I read through the recent 13 page "Would you Fire Herm" thread.... There's KC Fans that feel every bit the same about Herm as I do..... That he isn't and never was a Football genius - Never coached one side of the ball and is nothing more than a motivational speaker reliant on his assistants and GM to do all the dirty work - DO you hear any substance in his interviews???I like the Chiefs and have no ill will for that team - But, I'm fairly confident that Herm will never win a Super Bowl as a Head coach and as the years pass more and more KC fans will learn the truth.
So he may not win a friggin Super Bowl, neither did Marty and I would take him over 95% of the coaches in the NFL right now.Is it that NY fans are so high on their horse that they cannot be happy with multiple playoff appearances when there were years they had top 5 picks? Is that it....just plain unregulated arrogance? Because that is what it sounds like.
Again, Talk to other afc east fans who really miss Herm in NY.And I'd take Marty as well - He's coached and studied the game for MANY years - There's little comparison to Herm, knowledge and experience wise.I don't see why you use the word arrogance just because I have the opinion that Herm Edwards can't outcoach a flea..... It's just an opinion. Way back when the Jets hired Paul Hackett I remember, maybe not on this board, but a lot of KC fans swarmed Jet fans saying what a bum the guy was and that he'd frustrate us to all hell.. (was that arrogance or just sharing of opinions?) We dug up our Montana quotes and said, "Give the guy a chance".... That went on for about 2 seasons until we were ready to kill the guy - And, yeah they made the playoffs..... I see the same thing happening here.It's not like we're talking Bill Belichik who was a known Defensive genius... His specialty is rambling and motivating and I think that motivating shtick wears off real fast with players - Players want to hear about X's and O's to REALLY get motivated - Jet players are still being quoted about the Game plans and comparisons to the past regime how things are on a more Intellectual brand of football now than in the recent past..... At least KC will have room for coaching improvement and when it's all said and done, I say the next regime will look like geniuses.
Yet that past regime had multiple playoff appearances.
Exactly - So in the short term, To some KC fans, Herm actually looks ok.For now.But, we both know a lot goes into an NFL season and scheduling and injuries play a huge role in the W/L record... It didn't work out for Vermeil but, Vermiel could at least coach one side of the ball... He's worlds ahead of where Herm will ever be knowledge wise about the game.I'll leave it at that - Also knowing a lot of KC fans agree with me to varying degrees. - You're a radical.
Right back at ya' bud
 
I'm glad you're all so hopeful for your squad. Enjoy the season.
My squad is Dallas and yes I am hopeful just like the fans of the other 31 teams in the NFL. I have always liked KC to some degree and cannot help chiming in on the silly attacks being made against them year in and year out. It makes no sense. I said it earlier in some facet, we will continue to see the anti-KC posters despite their albeit slightly above average success until they have a bad year. Then we will have the "I told ya so" threads. This is just all unwarranted based on the team's performance on the field, their won-loss record over the years and their playoff appearances. They are in better shape than several teams in the league and if I didn't know better I would think we are talking about a perrenial 3-13, 2-14 team. It simply is not the case.
 
This is just all unwarranted based on the team's performance on the field, their won-loss record over the years and their playoff appearances.
None of this has anything to do with THIS year, which is the focus of the thread. "If you don't like it find another thread."
 
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This is just all unwarranted based on the team's performance on the field, their won-loss record over the years and their playoff appearances.
None of this has anything to do with THIS year, which is the focus of the thread. "If you don't like it find another thread."
It's what we heard last year. Doom and gloom, blah blah blah. Drivel without merit has no weight. :hot: By the way I am a chief(pun intended) contributor to the good side of the force and am bound to defend KC against the dark side of the force so I will be staying in this thread. :D
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Everyone is touting "well they went to the playoffs" like it's some major accomplishment.
I think that's because people seem to be humming "the way we were" all the while wistfully remembering the Chiefs as a SB contender for the last half decade when that simply wasn't the case. IMO FF people remember Vermeils Chiefs as being better than they were because they put up good stats. In the five years before Herm arrived the Chiefs lost one home playoff game to the Colts. In those same five years the Chiefs had a winning record only twice. Having a winning record and making the playoffs are an above average season for the Chiefs franchise despite the fact they were saddled with a very old roster at the start of the Herm "era". Like I said in another post about Herm.... based on last seasons performence he deserves an extension more than criticism.
 
I'm not a football expert but I am a KC fan living in Bronco country and and I will give you an honest fans perspective here:

Lets be honest KC was lucky to make the playoffs last year...they had to have like four teams lose on the final day last year (most at home) and some how they all did, including Denver at home on a Nedney FG.....so making the playoffs last year was really kind of a fluke....honestly I was glad to see them get in...mostly because the Broncos were out....but I knew a #### kicking was pending heading to Indy

None of our QB's are going to ever really be able to carry this team when we need them to.....meaning when teams are able to stop the run and we need a QB to "win" the game.....they just don't have it....

KC is in a world of hurt having to play the Chargers, Shananhan & Cutler, and now probably Russell over the next 10+ years.....

our O-line is losing some impact players and if our O-line does not remain one of our "strengths" we are in a world of hurt...

I think our defense will be serviceable this year and actually keep the offense in some games.....a WR is a must and o-line help is also desperately needed......but honestly unless Brodie C is the next coming of tom Brady, this team will only be nice and far from spectactular....Huard is not going to win many playoff games....It may sound crazy but i would have loved to seen KC bring in a Culpepper or Carr or someone out there to compete at QB....especially if we could get a top flight WR in the draft......

Herm is a good coach, I like his style....

9-7 is my call....could go 10-6.....but chances of 8-8 or 7-9 might be better.....I hope I'm wrong and they surprise

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Everyone is touting "well they went to the playoffs" like it's some major accomplishment.
I think that's because people seem to be humming "the way we were" all the while wistfully remembering the Chiefs as a SB contender for the last half decade when that simply wasn't the case. IMO FF people remember Vermeils Chiefs as being better than they were because they put up good stats. In the five years before Herm arrived the Chiefs lost one home playoff game to the Colts. In those same five years the Chiefs had a winning record only twice. Having a winning record and making the playoffs are an above average season for the Chiefs franchise despite the fact they were saddled with a very old roster at the start of the Herm "era". Like I said in another post about Herm.... based on last seasons performence he deserves an extension more than criticism.
Good post,,,I agree with your comments on my Chiefs saying that they've been a good team for an extended period of time but never a great team in terms of playoff success. In response to Dufresne wondering why people think that the playoffs is such a big deal it's because the playoffs ARE most teams goal for a successful season and in KC it's the rubber stamp of a "good year". If you're in Indy or New England or even Dallas then your goals are much higher than to simply reach the playoffs but in KC and many other markets, just getting there is a badge of honor and should be treated with respect for the accomplishment.
 
This is out of hand....the asinine irrational people in this thread are doing nothing but stirring the pot because, hey it's Kansas City, not an east coast fan base that will stand up for itself.Over the last 18 seasons, KC has had ONE season below 7-9, they are one of the top 5 winningest franchises, and you would think they were one of the five worst with all the stones being thrown at this team every season by people who post lies.
:lmao: Seriously, :lmao:
 
Can I ask a question here? How many hall of fame offensive linemen did KC use to have? Wasn't it a couple? How many do they have now? Not as many? And they're trying to get rid of their quarterback and their running back (far and away the best skill position player on their offense), and will be a second year removed from having a coach who understood offense, while going to a coach who has never not had Curtis Martin or Larry Johnson. Mentioning anything their offense has done in the past is completely irrelevant now, as is their record in the past.

Who's going to get the ridiculous number of carries that Johnson or Martin got in the past? And please don't tell me they'll pass. I laughed out loud earlier when someone mentioned that Huard had a passer rating like Manning. The passing game doesn't work as well without the threat of the run, the run doesn't work without blocking, and if their tight end and the running back they're trying to run out of town are their best receivers, they're going to have a real hard time getting offensive balance.

It's nice that KC fans think that the defense will be more talented this year. But who on offense is going to keep the defense off the field? The answer is simple - the guy they get with one of the top 5 picks in the draft next year.

 
Looking at their schedule i'm going to be nice and give them one road win and a 3-5 record at home. So 4-12 seems about right for this trainwreck of a team.

09/09/07 at Houston Texans (LOSS)

09/16/07 at Chicago Bears (LOSS)

09/23/07 Minnesota Vikings (WIN)

09/30/07 at San Diego Chargers (LOSS)

10/07/07 Jacksonville Jaguars (LOSS)

10/14/07 Cincinnati Bengals (LOSS)

10/21/07 at Oakland Raiders (LOSS)

10/28/07 Bye

11/04/07 Green Bay Packers (LOSS)

11/11/07 Denver Broncos (LOSS)

11/18/07 at Indianapolis Colts (LOSS)

11/25/07 Oakland Raiders (WIN)

12/02/07 San Diego Chargers (LOSS)

12/09/07 at Denver Broncos (LOSS)

12/16/07 Tennessee Titans (WIN)

12/23/07 at Detroit Lions (WIN)

12/30/07 at New York Jets (LOSS)

 
Can I ask a question here? How many hall of fame offensive linemen did KC use to have? Wasn't it a couple? How many do they have now? Not as many? And they're trying to get rid of their quarterback and their running back (far and away the best skill position player on their offense), and will be a second year removed from having a coach who understood offense, while going to a coach who has never not had Curtis Martin or Larry Johnson. Mentioning anything their offense has done in the past is completely irrelevant now, as is their record in the past. Who's going to get the ridiculous number of carries that Johnson or Martin got in the past? And please don't tell me they'll pass. I laughed out loud earlier when someone mentioned that Huard had a passer rating like Manning. The passing game doesn't work as well without the threat of the run, the run doesn't work without blocking, and if their tight end and the running back they're trying to run out of town are their best receivers, they're going to have a real hard time getting offensive balance. It's nice that KC fans think that the defense will be more talented this year. But who on offense is going to keep the defense off the field? The answer is simple - the guy they get with one of the top 5 picks in the draft next year.
:popcorn: you got brody croyle, no WRs, an aging TE, no o line, and maybe a great RB who defenses will stack the box against.lol at 9-7 or 10-6. they got 5 losses in the division this year. they going to run off a 10-1 record out of division?
 
Looking at their schedule i'm going to be nice and give them one road win and a 3-5 record at home. So 4-12 seems about right for this trainwreck of a team.09/09/07 at Houston Texans (LOSS)09/16/07 at Chicago Bears (LOSS)09/23/07 Minnesota Vikings (WIN)09/30/07 at San Diego Chargers (LOSS)10/07/07 Jacksonville Jaguars (LOSS)10/14/07 Cincinnati Bengals (LOSS)10/21/07 at Oakland Raiders (LOSS)10/28/07 Bye 11/04/07 Green Bay Packers (LOSS)11/11/07 Denver Broncos (LOSS)11/18/07 at Indianapolis Colts (LOSS)11/25/07 Oakland Raiders (WIN)12/02/07 San Diego Chargers (LOSS)12/09/07 at Denver Broncos (LOSS)12/16/07 Tennessee Titans (WIN)12/23/07 at Detroit Lions (WIN)12/30/07 at New York Jets (LOSS)
I don't think they will go 1-5 in the division. They always play SD/DEN tough. I also doubt they lose to HOU in week #1. It seems unlikely they'll come anywhere close to the playoffs this year but it also seems unlikely to me they draft in the top 10. That golden target # of 7-9 seems likely to me.
 
Looking at their schedule i'm going to be nice and give them one road win and a 3-5 record at home. So 4-12 seems about right for this trainwreck of a team.09/09/07 at Houston Texans (LOSS)09/16/07 at Chicago Bears (LOSS)09/23/07 Minnesota Vikings (WIN)09/30/07 at San Diego Chargers (LOSS)10/07/07 Jacksonville Jaguars (LOSS)10/14/07 Cincinnati Bengals (LOSS)10/21/07 at Oakland Raiders (LOSS)10/28/07 Bye 11/04/07 Green Bay Packers (LOSS)11/11/07 Denver Broncos (LOSS)11/18/07 at Indianapolis Colts (LOSS)11/25/07 Oakland Raiders (WIN)12/02/07 San Diego Chargers (LOSS)12/09/07 at Denver Broncos (LOSS)12/16/07 Tennessee Titans (WIN)12/23/07 at Detroit Lions (WIN)12/30/07 at New York Jets (LOSS)
I don't think they will go 1-5 in the division. They always play SD/DEN tough. I also doubt they lose to HOU in week #1. It seems unlikely they'll come anywhere close to the playoffs this year but it also seems unlikely to me they draft in the top 10. That golden target # of 7-9 seems likely to me.
They always play KC/DEN tough...in the past. This is the worst Cheifs team i've ever seen. That offense is the biggest joke in the NFL right now. I'm only giving them wins against teams i think they might be able to hold under 14 points.
 
Drivel without merit has no weight. :ph34r:
You mean like basing the value of a player on a single game?
Atleast I'm basing it on a real game that was played and on the performance of the player in that game. Instead of just whimsically spewing an opinion I looked at the last game played and considering the opponent and what was at stake I do believe it carries weight. Terms like "over the hill" would have suggested the pass defense got exposed as a result of old players that could not contribute. Of course this was clearly not the case.
 
Drivel without merit has no weight. :ph34r:
You mean like basing the value of a player on a single game?
Atleast I'm basing it on a real game that was played and on the performance of the player in that game. Instead of just whimsically spewing an opinion I looked at the last game played and considering the opponent and what was at stake I do believe it carries weight. Terms like "over the hill" would have suggested the pass defense got exposed as a result of old players that could not contribute. Of course this was clearly not the case.
As you so clearly outlined with your one game example.I feel so :wall: .Edit: Oh, wait! I can give you two games with different examples. Santonio Holmes went downtown-bamg on Law early in the season, racing 50 yards on a third-down play. Against Seattle, Seattle's Darrell Jackson hauled in a 49-yard touchdown bomb, giving Law a perfect view of his backside as he raced downfield.But I'm sure those examples are the aberration.
 
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This thread has been bookmarked and I will be holding people accountable for their 4-12 type predictions.

On that note, give me you w-L predictions if you have the stones to do it and be held accountable when wrong.

I, myself, think they will be 9-7 at the very least.

 

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