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I'm heading off to Europe in about a month. It will be my first trip across the pond.

My itinerary is pretty much set:

London (3 days)

Paris (3 days)

Interlaken (3 days)

Munich\Romantic Road or Rome (3 days)

Amsterdam (3 days)

I have to choose between Rome and Munich. Munich was the original plan, saving Rome and the rest of Italy for another trip. Some friends of mine say that Rome is a can't miss though.

Munich for Beer or Rome for... Rome

What say you?

If anyone has any recommendations on things to do\see\eat\stay feel free to chime in as well.

TIA

 
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Don't try and squeeze Rome into such a tight timeframe. Save it and the rest of Italy for a separate trip.

Personally I'd recommend dropping one of those stops altogether and just and some time to each of your other cities. You're not there to travel the countyside, you're there to actually see things and experience them.

 
Don't try and squeeze Rome into such a tight timeframe. Save it and the rest of Italy for a separate trip.Personally I'd recommend dropping one of those stops altogether and just and some time to each of your other cities. You're not there to travel the countyside, you're there to actually see things and experience them.
:bs: Rome is not a three day trip considering you are concentrating your stay in Northern Europe. I also agree you are packing too much into this trip. Spend an extra day in Amsterdam and two extra in Paris dedicating one just to the Louvre. Or drop Interlaken and go to Munich. Depends on what you like but both those places put you near the mountains. I like Interlaken because it's one of the most beautiful places on earth, but Munich has a lot to do and you can still take in the mountains and make a side trip to Salzburg. HTH
 
That's a very ambitious schedule. Usually takes a day or two to settle into a new city. Too each his own.

I'd go with Munich and save Italy for a later trip.

 
Rome is more out of the way than Munich, especially for such an aggressive schedule. However, if you're determined to do one of them, I've been to both and if it isn't during Oktoberfest, you will probably be more impressed by Rome.

I'd also suggest adding a day or so each to London and Paris while saving GER/ITA for another trip.

 
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seriously? Rome.

...although Mike's Bike tour was REALLY fun in Munich. The first half was touring, then you stop and drink a LOT of german beer, then the second half is just making it back.. even riding next to a nudist colony.

 
London (3 days)

Paris (3 days)

Interlaken (3 days)

Rome (4 days)

Amsterdam (2 days)

That's my suggestion. 2 full days in Amsterdam is sufficient, and as long as plan efficiently and agressively, 4 days should be fine for Rome. As the others said, though, a 4th day in Paris and London would be great, if you can work it..

 
there are some extra days in there for travel\side trips.

We will actually be there for 18 days but have 15 scheduled. We have all of our long travel scheduled for overnight train trips.

Dropping Mucnich and adding a day to Rome sounds like the way to go.

Dropping Interlaken is out of the question.

 
You don't need 3 days for Interlaken -- merely 1/2 - 1 day on the mountaintop, and 1 day lakeside.

Geographically, München will be closer...so, it'd be more efficient to go that route.

I agree with the other posters...save Rome (and Italy in general) for when you have more time.

 
my brother and i did 3 cities in 9 days.

it was brutal. trying to cram all the sightseeing in to such a tight window is really really tough. and very very tiring.

London, Paris and Rome require more than 3 days each. Amsterdam can be done in 3. the rest you are gonna need more time in.

 
Don't try and squeeze Rome into such a tight timeframe. Save it and the rest of Italy for a separate trip.Personally I'd recommend dropping one of those stops altogether and just and some time to each of your other cities. You're not there to travel the countyside, you're there to actually see things and experience them.
:excited: I love both Rome and Munich, but Rome will take a bit more travel. Save it for later.
 
Florence>>>Rome>Munich.

But, I agree with your thought of Italy deserving its own trip.

Also agree with everyone who says you are packing WAY too much in to try and also include Rome - spend extra time in an area already on your itinerary.

Defintely do Italy all on its own for (@ least) two weeks - you could spend three-five nights in Rome and southern Italy, two nights in Venice, four more in Florence, and three nights in Northwest Italy - Five Cities (Chinco something) north of Pisa are awesome and the Italian Alps are splendid. If you did that schedule, you'd see all themajor stops in Italy, but it would STILL be a whirlwind trip.

I spent 8 whole nights in Florence and the surrounding area and still didn't do everything I wanted - Italy is not a "bop to one of its cities for a day or two" kinda trip.

 
How'd you work out that itenerary?

If you can still make changes, I'd go with six in both London and Paris and 3 in Amsterdam.

Otherwise, go with Munich. It can be done in three days, Rome can't.

 
Florence is not better than Rome.Venice is better than Florence.
:thumbup:You must have been somehow royally screwed in Tuscany.I experienced better food, fewer crowds, better weather, cheaper hotel costs, much nicer countryside, and much better wine country. It has David, four fabulous Church sites, one truly amazing museum, and is centrally enough located that all other parts of Italy are almost a day trip away - did Chinque Terre in one day, San Gimigniano, Montapulciano plus Montalcino in another day trip. Guess it all depends on what you are there to experience.
 
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Venice and Rome are both better than Florence.

Venice is probably the most unique city I've ever visited. I cannot wait to go back. No place in the world can compare. Sure, if art is your thing Florence will top it but Venice is a once in a lifetime experience.

and Rome tops them both.

 
Looking at your schedule I would skip Italy. That said, Cinque Terre is better then all of those cities you listed...

Your current schedule has too much travelling time...those cities are well spaced apart. I would reduce your geography and concentrate on a smaller part of W Europe

 
Venice and Rome are both better than Florence.Venice is probably the most unique city I've ever visited. I cannot wait to go back. No place in the world can compare. Sure, if art is your thing Florence will top it but Venice is a once in a lifetime experience. and Rome tops them both.
Got a better explanation than the above? I have seen Venice - it is a unique city, but it lacks a lot of the things I look for in a vacation.The countryside of Tuscany, the food in central Italy, the wine of central Italy, the cost of doing things and of staying in the city, the ability to use it as a central place for outings, and the number of crowds in the city - all tip towards Florence over Rome. WAY more than just "the art is great" went into my explanation for why I believe Florence is a superior vacation spot to Rome.Like I said, depends on what you go there for.ETA -only drawback I found to Florence was no beach. Venice is very close to some beautiful Croatian beaches and Southern Italy - well, the beaches on the west coast of Italy are awesome.
 
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Looking at your schedule I would skip Italy. That said, Cinque Terre is better then all of those cities you listed...
:thumbup: One of the most beautiful hikes I ever took (on a belly full of tasty fish and even tastier wine, that is).And Cinque Terre can EASILY be done in two or three days, including a half day in Pisa and maybe even another half day in Genoa.
 
Just got back from Munich, I liked it better then Rome. Not saying that Rome wasn't awesome just that Munich is better for what I like to do which is drink beer and be outside.

 
Venice and Rome are both better than Florence.Venice is probably the most unique city I've ever visited. I cannot wait to go back. No place in the world can compare. Sure, if art is your thing Florence will top it but Venice is a once in a lifetime experience. and Rome tops them both.
Got a better explanation than the above? I have seen Venice - it is a unique city, but it lacks a lot of the things I look for in a vacation.The countryside of Tuscany, the food in central Italy, the wine of central Italy, the cost of doing things and of staying in the city, the ability to use it as a central place for outings, and the number of crowds in the city - all tip towards Florence over Rome. WAY more than just "the art is great" went into my explanation for why I believe Florence is a superior vacation spot to Rome.Like I said, depends on what you go there for.
If you include day-tripping out of Florence or Venice than yes, Florence is better. But to soak in a city by staying there, Venice tops Florence IMO.Florence probably even tops Rome for access to day trips.I'm 3 weeks away from my Capri/Naples and Rome/Tuscany trip. :thumbup:
 
Venice and Rome are both better than Florence.Venice is probably the most unique city I've ever visited. I cannot wait to go back. No place in the world can compare. Sure, if art is your thing Florence will top it but Venice is a once in a lifetime experience. and Rome tops them both.
Got a better explanation than the above? I have seen Venice - it is a unique city, but it lacks a lot of the things I look for in a vacation.The countryside of Tuscany, the food in central Italy, the wine of central Italy, the cost of doing things and of staying in the city, the ability to use it as a central place for outings, and the number of crowds in the city - all tip towards Florence over Rome. WAY more than just "the art is great" went into my explanation for why I believe Florence is a superior vacation spot to Rome.Like I said, depends on what you go there for.
If you include day-tripping out of Florence or Venice than yes, Florence is better. But to soak in a city by staying there, Venice tops Florence IMO.Florence probably even tops Rome for access to day trips.I'm 3 weeks away from my Capri/Naples and Rome/Tuscany trip. :goodposting:
:lmao: <---- that is jealousy, not anger.Don't forget the :eating: That trip's an excellent cross-section of some of the best food in the world. I may have a better flavor for the city of Florence than most since I visited there while my sister was living there. She had been living there for three years. I probably saw a lot of the city of Florence that most tourists don't. Unless you know someone who will act as a personal tour guide, I guess that much inside knowledge is gonna color your experience of the city. For instance, when we went out drinking, many more people were willing to engage me in casual conversation since my sister was there to both translate and to break the "this is just some American tourist" ice.So, I got to actually talk to many more native Florentines and get an incredible taste of what actual living in that city is like - didn't get that experience in Venice or Rome. ETA: That said, I still enjoyed walking around Florence much better than Rome or trying to get around Venice. I felt comfortable (and safe) just wandering that city alone - and it is small enough that getting lost was not a real issue - can't say the same about the other two cities. Wrong turn in Venice can either be magical, or very very frustrating. Wrong turn in Rome can be either frustrating or dangerous - rarely is it a fun adventure.
 
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How'd you work out that itenerary?If you can still make changes, I'd go with six in both London and Paris and 3 in Amsterdam.Otherwise, go with Munich. It can be done in three days, Rome can't.
It's just a skeleton itinerary. The only thinng locked in right now is London the 28th - 30th of May, leaving London for Paris on the evening of the 31st.Now I'm thinking that as much as I'd like to fit in Rome this trip, I'll just add a day to Amsterdam and 1 or 2 to ParisLondon 3 daysParis 4 daysInterlaken 3 daysAmsterdam 4 daysthrow in some day trips from Paris and Amsterdam and it should be a full trip. I just can't help thinking we could fit in one more location...We are staying at the Astor Hyde Park hostel in London. Seems like good reviews all around.Any thoughts on cheap places to stay in Paris? I'm thinking we can get some recommendations from people in London about that rather than book a place in Paris right now.
 
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Venice and Rome are both better than Florence.Venice is probably the most unique city I've ever visited. I cannot wait to go back. No place in the world can compare. Sure, if art is your thing Florence will top it but Venice is a once in a lifetime experience. and Rome tops them both.
Every one I know that has been to Italy says Venice is overrated and that Rome\Florence\Cinque is the way to go.
 
Any thoughts on cheap places to stay in Paris? I'm thinking we can get some recommendations from people in London about that rather than book a place in Paris right now.
Good idea!!! Seriously. If you are traveling with wifey, you may want to book one night you KNOW you will be in Paris into a nice romantic hotel near the cabarets and have that pre-arranged, but play it by ear with advice from folks in London on the other three nights - if you are smart, you'll extend your time in Paris, not Amsterdam (unless you are fascinated with the Dutch countryside) There is a TON of stuff within a day trip from your hotel in Paris that is much more culturally fulfilling than anything you will find outside of Amsterdam. And you are hearing this from a guy who would visit Amsterdam annually if I could. Heck - one day in a car driving through one of their infinite wine countries is worth more than an extra day in Amsterdam.BTW, when you decide to head to Florence, right now (end of April, beginning of May) is the absolute perfect time to be there - both in terms of weather and crowds
 
Any thoughts on cheap places to stay in Paris? I'm thinking we can get some recommendations from people in London about that rather than book a place in Paris right now.
Good idea!!! Seriously. If you are traveling with wifey, you may want to book one night you KNOW you will be in Paris into a nice romantic hotel near the cabarets and have that pre-arranged, but play it by ear with advice from folks in London on the other three nights - if you are smart, you'll extend your time in Paris, not Amsterdam (unless you are fascinated with the Dutch countryside) There is a TON of stuff within a day trip from your hotel in Paris that is much more culturally fulfilling than anything you will find outside of Amsterdam. And you are hearing this from a guy who would visit Amsterdam annually if I could. Heck - one day in a car driving through one of their infinite wine countries is worth more than an extra day in Amsterdam.BTW, when you decide to head to Florence, right now (end of April, beginning of May) is the absolute perfect time to be there - both in terms of weather and crowds
travelling with the Girlfriend,no wifey :thumbdown: . We are pretty committed to staying cheap as far as hotels go, so it will probably be mostly hostels. We may throw in a night or 2 in an expensive place if we feel like we need a lot of rest.
 
Any thoughts on cheap places to stay in Paris? I'm thinking we can get some recommendations from people in London about that rather than book a place in Paris right now.
Good idea!!! Seriously. If you are traveling with wifey, you may want to book one night you KNOW you will be in Paris into a nice romantic hotel near the cabarets and have that pre-arranged, but play it by ear with advice from folks in London on the other three nights - if you are smart, you'll extend your time in Paris, not Amsterdam (unless you are fascinated with the Dutch countryside) There is a TON of stuff within a day trip from your hotel in Paris that is much more culturally fulfilling than anything you will find outside of Amsterdam. And you are hearing this from a guy who would visit Amsterdam annually if I could. Heck - one day in a car driving through one of their infinite wine countries is worth more than an extra day in Amsterdam.BTW, when you decide to head to Florence, right now (end of April, beginning of May) is the absolute perfect time to be there - both in terms of weather and crowds
travelling with the Girlfriend,no wifey :thumbdown: . We are pretty committed to staying cheap as far as hotels go, so it will probably be mostly hostels. We may throw in a night or 2 in an expensive place if we feel like we need a lot of rest.
Hmm, then, for you, Paris should be better and Amsterdam should be worse. :shrug:If you surprise her with a nice hotel in Paris one night and a night out at the cabaret, you will get the best you ever had - I promise. Then again, you should expect that night alone to cost you 400+ - 200+ on the hotel and could be upwards of 100/150 on the night out at the cabaret if you eat there, and see the show, and drink.I am even more firmly convinced (unless you REALLY like to smoke hash) that you should extend your time in Paris.ETA - OTOH, if you pull aside someone in London you can trust to recommend a decent hotel for one mid-week night and a good, lesser known, cabaret, you might get away with the romantic night much cheaper than that.
 
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Having lived in Italy and since I will likely retire there, here are a few of my observations FWIW:

If you could go to either Venice or Florence and you may never get a chance to go to Italy again, I’d go to Venice. It is a very unique place. I’ve been there seven or eight times and I just don’t care for it because of the smell, the cost, and the tourists but I’m quasi local in my mind so it’s different. I definitely prefer Florence but I’m not talking about me. I’m speaking to people who have never been to Italy.

Florence is also slightly overrated if you are not making a specific cultural tour but Tuscany is not. You can go to San Gimignano, Siena, Montepulciano, Arezzo, and to any of the villages in Tuscany and have much better food, fun, at a reduced cost. You could also go to Tivoli just outside Rome which is probably one of the least appreciated places on the peninsula.

The places I go in Italy are near L’Aquila in the Apennines, to Rimini in Emilia Romagna, to Bologna, and to Apulia. There are a lot less tourists in those places (except Rimini which is the Ft Lauderdale of Italy) and most of them are significantly less expensive than Florence. If you’ve already been to Italy’s major tourist centers try these other places. Bologna is really underrated and it is the cuisine capital of Northern Italy (Naples in the south). Any pasta dish you eat in Bologna will probably be the best you’ve ever had. Apulia is stunning. Great seafood, nice small seaside towns, it’s cheap, the folks are friendly, and it’s really warm in June and September. Otranto is one of my top five locations.

Rome is the greatest city in the world not named New York. There is just so much to see and do that it is overwhelming. To me if you don’t spend a week in Rome you will likely not even begin to appreciate it. Really all you have to do is not get a hotel or eat in the high traffic tourist areas and watch your valuables and Rome is a great experience. Take the underground to the tourist centers but stay on the peripheries of the major tourist traps and please, please, please do not eat in the tourist areas.

I lived in Naples for three years so this is one of my favorite places. Sorrento, the Amalfi Coast, Vesuvius, and Capri are must sees. If you really want to have fun in Naples go to the island of Ischia to the spas and ride a motor scooter all day through the narrow roads. Also eat some fish at a restaurant in the inner harbor in Naples and eat pizza as often as you can. They invented pizza in Naples and they do it better there than they do anywhere in the world. Also do some shopping at the various markets because outside of the Florence market, the Naples market is probably the best in Italy. I wouldn’t recommend Naples to anyone older people however as you must pay great attention to the pick pockets. In Rome there are more thieves but in Rome they have a decent police presence. In Naples you’re on your own outside the main port area. I really, really, really miss Naples.

One last thing is never go to Italy in August. Never! Leave the Italians alone in August and you’re vacation will be much more enjoyable.

 
Having lived in Italy and since I will likely retire there, here are a few of my observations FWIW:

If you could go to either Venice or Florence and you may never get a chance to go to Italy again, Id go to Venice. It is a very unique place. Ive been there seven or eight times and I just dont care for it because of the smell, the cost, and the tourists but Im quasi local in my mind so its different. I definitely prefer Florence but Im not talking about me. Im speaking to people who have never been to Italy.

Florence is also slightly overrated if you are not making a specific cultural tour but Tuscany is not. You can go to San Gimignano, Siena, Montepulciano, Arezzo, and to any of the villages in Tuscany and have much better food, fun, at a reduced cost. You could also go to Tivoli just outside Rome which is probably one of the least appreciated places on the peninsula.

The places I go in Italy are near LAquila in the Apennines, to Rimini in Emilia Romagna, to Bologna, and to Apulia. There are a lot less tourists in those places (except Rimini which is the Ft Lauderdale of Italy) and most of them are significantly less expensive than Florence. If youve already been to Italys major tourist centers try these other places. Bologna is really underrated and it is the cuisine capital of Northern Italy (Naples in the south). Any pasta dish you eat in Bologna will probably be the best youve ever had. Apulia is stunning. Great seafood, nice small seaside towns, its cheap, the folks are friendly, and its really warm in June and September. Otranto is one of my top five locations.

Rome is the greatest city in the world not named New York. There is just so much to see and do that it is overwhelming. To me if you dont spend a week in Rome you will likely not even begin to appreciate it. Really all you have to do is not get a hotel or eat in the high traffic tourist areas and watch your valuables and Rome is a great experience. Take the underground to the tourist centers but stay on the peripheries of the major tourist traps and please, please, please do not eat in the tourist areas.

I lived in Naples for three years so this is one of my favorite places. Sorrento, the Amalfi Coast, Vesuvius, and Capri are must sees. If you really want to have fun in Naples go to the island of Ischia to the spas and ride a motor scooter all day through the narrow roads. Also eat some fish at a restaurant in the inner harbor in Naples and eat pizza as often as you can. They invented pizza in Naples and they do it better there than they do anywhere in the world. Also do some shopping at the various markets because outside of the Florence market, the Naples market is probably the best in Italy. I wouldnt recommend Naples to anyone older people however as you must pay great attention to the pick pockets. In Rome there are more thieves but in Rome they have a decent police presence. In Naples youre on your own outside the main port area. I really, really, really miss Naples.

One last thing is never go to Italy in August. Never! Leave the Italians alone in August and youre vacation will be much more enjoyable.
 
If you could go to either Venice or Florence and you may never get a chance to go to Italy again, I’d go to Venice. It is a very unique place. I’ve been there seven or eight times and I just don’t care for it because of the smell, the cost, and the tourists but I’m quasi local in my mind so it’s different. I definitely prefer Florence but I’m not talking about me. I’m speaking to people who have never been to Italy.
Venice is unique with the canals but the most over-rated tourist destination in Italy, and possibly on Earth. There's so much more history to see in Florence and food is not comparable.

 
If you could go to either Venice or Florence and you may never get a chance to go to Italy again, I’d go to Venice. It is a very unique place. I’ve been there seven or eight times and I just don’t care for it because of the smell, the cost, and the tourists but I’m quasi local in my mind so it’s different. I definitely prefer Florence but I’m not talking about me. I’m speaking to people who have never been to Italy.
Venice is unique with the canals but the most over-rated tourist destination in Italy, and possibly on Earth. There's so much more history to see in Florence and food is not comparable.
I can't argue that Venice is overrated as a tourist destination, but if you explore out and get lost in the city, away from the crowds, there aren't many cities on earth that can compare. It retains much more old world charm than Florence.

 
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The lady and I are going to Europe next year before Xmas and are still figuring out the trip. I want Germany she wants Italy.

 
:blackdot: for later.

The lady and I are going to Europe next year before Xmas and are still figuring out the trip. I want Germany she wants Italy.
If it's December, I would be looking Italy. We did New Years in Rome a few years ago and the weather was great.

 
I was scared for my life in Naples, D.D. I was being followed everywhere I went by a hoard of mini men dressed in black. Why does everyone dress like its 40 degrees when its 70 in Naples anyway?

 
Been there and done that

ROME by a European mile

ROME is unlike any city in the world

ROME is the city every other city wants to be when it grows up

 
:blackdot: for later.

The lady and I are going to Europe next year before Xmas and are still figuring out the trip. I want Germany she wants Italy.
How about switzerland and day trip to germany, italy, france, and austria?
Will look into that. I hadn't heard too much about Switzerland for visiting other than it was very expensive. I took the train through a section of it years ago and do remember it being amazing looking.

Going to have about 10 days (including flying there and back) and would like to narrow it down to 2 cities as "bases" to check out and with options to do day trips from.

 
:blackdot: for later.

The lady and I are going to Europe next year before Xmas and are still figuring out the trip. I want Germany she wants Italy.
How about switzerland and day trip to germany, italy, france, and austria?
Will look into that. I hadn't heard too much about Switzerland for visiting other than it was very expensive. I took the train through a section of it years ago and do remember it being amazing looking.

Going to have about 10 days (including flying there and back) and would like to narrow it down to 2 cities as "bases" to check out and with options to do day trips from.
with it being a winter trip, something that i would definitely think about is doing the christkindelsmarkt in nurnberg and spending a little time in Rothenburg. not too far from rothenburg to venice or siena.

wife and i are going to be celebrating our 20th later this year. going back and forth between a ski trip to austria/switzerland or tahiti

 
:blackdot: for later.

The lady and I are going to Europe next year before Xmas and are still figuring out the trip. I want Germany she wants Italy.
How about switzerland and day trip to germany, italy, france, and austria?
Will look into that. I hadn't heard too much about Switzerland for visiting other than it was very expensive. I took the train through a section of it years ago and do remember it being amazing looking.

Going to have about 10 days (including flying there and back) and would like to narrow it down to 2 cities as "bases" to check out and with options to do day trips from.
with it being a winter trip, something that i would definitely think about is doing the christkindelsmarkt in nurnberg and spending a little time in Rothenburg. not too far from rothenburg to venice or siena.

wife and i are going to be celebrating our 20th later this year. going back and forth between a ski trip to austria/switzerland or tahiti
The Christmas villages in the small towns are def a reason why we would do Germany.

 

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