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jeter23

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February 28- Florida International, Ball State, Toledo, Florida Atlantic

February 29- Miami (FL), South Dakota

March 3- Sam Houston St.

March 4- North Carolina, Troy, Minnesota

March 5- Buffalo, West Chester, Wisconsin, Kentucky, Indiana, East Carolina, Eastern Kentucky, UNLV

March 6- Kent State, Washington State, Missouri, Connecticut, TCU, Western Kentucky, Northwestern, Delaware, Ohio, Eastern Michigan, New Mexico, Southern Utah

March 7- Southern Methodist, South Florida, San Diego, Purdue, Arizona State, UTEP, Ohio State

March 8- San Diego State, Arizona

March 10- Murray State, Howard, Central Michigan, Southern, Grand Valley State, Auburn, North Texas, Northwest Missouri State

March 11- Alabama A&M, Delaware St, Central Arkansas, Kansas, Troy, Tarleton St, Bowling Green, Alabama A&M, Delaware St, Weber St, Arkansas Pine Bluff, Oklahoma

March 12- Fresno St, Alabama, Indiana (PA), Nebraska, Illinois, Central Oklahoma, Tulane, Michigan St, Oklahoma St, Hofstra, BYU, Towson

March 13- UCLA, Tulsa, Georgia Tech, Morgan State, Texas Tech, Clark Atlanta, Oregon, Nebraska-Omaha, Ferris State, Jacksonville State

March 14- Washington, Alabama State, Oregon State

March 15- Furman, Wagner

March 17- Northern Colorado, William & Mary, North Dakota State, Tennessee-Chattanooga, UAB, Western Carolina, Air Force

March 18- Florida, McNeese State, Mississippi Valley St, Penn State, Richmond, Delta State

March 19- Brown, James Madison, New Mexico State, Akron, North Carolina State, Texas, Florida State, Notre Dame

March 20- Virginia Tech, Oregon, Missouri, Stanford, Lambuth, Texas State, Northwestern State (LA), Middle Tennessee State, Albany (NY), Central Florida

March 21- Vanderbilt, San Jose State, Norfolk State, Tennessee State, Marshall

March 22- Eastern Illinois

March 24- New Mexico State, Iowa, Pittsburgh, Jackson State, Appalachian State

March 25- Wake Forest, South Dakota State, Mississippi State, Arkansas, Catawba, Carson Newman

March 26- LSU, Iowa State, Connecticut, Rutgers, South Carolina

March 27- Montana State, Virginia Tech, Massachusetts, Georgia Southern

March 28- Coastal Carolina

March 31- Arkansas State

April 1- North Carolina, Hawaii

April 2- Villanova, Southern Cal

April 7- New Mexico

April 12- Tennessee Tech

 
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Mizzou needs 2 pro days? I see there's a few schools that have 2. Why?

FWIW:

Air Force LB Drew Fowler March 17

Alabama S Simeon Castille, DE Wallace Gilberry, WR D.J. Hall March 12

Appalachian State WR Dexter jackson, OG Kerry Brown, S Corey Lynch March 24

Arizona CB Antoine Cason, LB Spencer Larsen, DT Lionel Dotson March 8

Arizona State C Mike Pollak, LB Robert James, S Joshua Barrett March 7

Arkansas RB Darren McFadden, RB Felix Jones, FB Peyton Hillis March 25

Arkansas State S Tyrell Johnson March 31

Auburn DT Pat Simms, DE Quentin Groves, CB Patrick Lee March 10

Boise State OT Ryan Clady, C Jeff Cavendar, CB Orlando Scandrick March 18

Boston College QB Matt Ryan, OT Gosder Cherilus, LB Jo-Lonn Dunbar March 18

Bowling Green C Kory Lichtensteiger March 11

BYU LB Bryan Kehl March 12

California WR DeSean Jackson, WR Lavelle Hawkins, S Thomas DeCoud March 11

Central Florida RB Kevin Smith March 20

Connecticut CB Tyvon Branch, G Donald Thompson March 6, March 26

Delaware QB Joe Flacco March 6

East Carolina RB Chris Johnson March 5

Easern Michigan DE Jason Jones March 6

Florida DE Derrick Harvey, WR Andre Caldwell, C Drew Miller March 18

Georgia C Fernando Velasco, LB Marcus Howard, RB Thomas Brown March 18

Georgia Tech LB Philip Wheeler, RB Tashard Choice, DE Darrell Robertson March 13

Hawaii QB Colt Brennan, WR Davone Bess, WR Ryan Grice-Mullen April 1

Iowa CB Charles Godfrey, DE Kenny Iwebama, LB Mike Humpal March 24

Iowa State LB Alvin Bowen, DT Athyba Rubin March 26

Kansas CB Aqub Talib, OT Anthony Collins, FB Brandon McAnderson March 11

Kentucky QB Andre Woodson, TE Jacob Tamme, LB Wesley Woodyard March 5

Miami S Kenny Phillips, DE Calais Campbell, LB Tavares Gooden February 29

Michigan State WR Devin Thomas, TE Kellen Davis, C John Masters March 12

Middle Tennessee OT Franklin Dunbar March 20

Minnesota S Domique Barber March 4

Mississippi State DE Titus Brown March 25

Missouri TE Martin Rucker, C Adam Spieker March 6, March 20

New Mexico WR Marcus Smith March 6, April 7

New Mexico State DT Maurice Murray March 19

North Carolina DT Kentwan Balmer March 4, April 1

North Carolina State DT DeMario Pressley, S DeJuan Morgan March 19

Notre Dame TE John Carlson, C John Sullivan, DT Trevor Laws March 19

Ohio State DE Vernon Gholston, OT Kirk Barton, FB Dionte Johnson March 7

Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly, LB Curtis Lofton, CB Reggi Smith March 11

Oklahoma State WR Adarius Bowman, RB Dantrell Savage, LB Rodrick Johnson March 12

Oregon RB Jonathon Stewart, S Patrick Chung, QB Dennis Dixon March 13, March 20

Penn State LB Dan Connor, CB Justin King, QB Anthony Morelli March 18

Pittsburgh OT Jeffrey Otah, OT Michael McGlynn, TE Darrell Strong March 24

Purdue TE Dustin Keller, DE Clifford Avril, P Jared Armstrong March 7

Rutgers RB Ray Rice, G Pedro Sosa, G Jeremy Zuttah March 26

San Diego QB Josh Johnson March 7

South Florida CB Mike Jenkins, CB Trae Williams, LB Ben Moffitt March 7

Tennessee State CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie March 21

Texas WR Limas Sweed, RB Jamaal Charles, TE Jermichael Finley March 19

UCLA LB Bruce Davis, G Shannon Tevaga, S Dennis Keyes II March 13

USC DT Sedrick Ellis, LB Keith Rivers, TE Fred Davis April 2

UTEP OT Oniel Cousins, S Quintin Demps March 7

Vanderbilt OT Chris Williams, WR Earl Bennett, LB Jonathon Goff March 21

Virginia DE Chris Long, OG Branden Albert, TE Michael Santi March 18

Virginia Tech LB Xavier Adibi, CB Brandon Flowers, DE Christopher Ellis March 20, March 27

Wake Forest C Steven Justice, DE Jeremy Thompson March 25

Washington FB Marcel Reece March 14

Washington State FB Jed Collins March 6

 
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Andre Woodson has been one of the most heavily scrutinized players during the NFL Draft process. And after spending the past two months reading and hearing about how his stock has fallen, the former University of Kentucky quarterback is hoping for a strong finish leading up to the April 26-27 draft in New York City.

Woodson took a step in that direction at UK's Pro Day workout Wednesday morning. Woodson ran the 40-yard dash in a respectable 4.8 seconds despite battling a slightly pulled hamstring, and he looked sharp throwing the ball to former UK receivers Keenan Burton, Steve Johnson and Jacob Tamme as scouts from 25 NFL teams looked on.

Burton, Tamme and Wesley Woodyard elected not to run after running at the NFL Combine last weekend. Johnson, who caught 60 passes for 1,041 yards and 13 touchdowns, ran a 4.46 40-yard dash.

Running back Rafael Little had surgery on Monday after suffering a knee injury in the Senior Bowl and was not present at Pro Day.

 
http://www.idahostatesman.com/boisestatefo...ory/313234.html

Hoping to enhance their professional prospects, 13 former Boise State football players, highlighted by expected first-round pick Ryan Clady, worked out for more than 50 NFL personnel representing 30 teams Monday at the Caven-Williams Sports Complex.

Clady, as expected, was the star of the show. Most of the personnel were in town to see him because the left tackle did not work out at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis last week after straining a pectoral muscle.

Clady exceeded his expectations with a 31-inch vertical jump and 9-foot broad jump. Clady ran his 40-yard dash in about 5.18 seconds. Unlike at the combine, no official times are given at Pro Day.

NFL coaches and scouts put Clady, Tad Miller, Jeff Cavender and Dan Gore through extensive offensive line drills during the two-plus hour workout. Clady received extra attention during the drills. Eventually, Boise State coach Chris Petersen intervened to wrap up the workout.

 
Been reading some buzz from Carolina that they're enthralled with Clady.

I still think Woodson is David Carr, Tim Couch, and Byron Leftwich all wrapped in one. Although his workout may have helped his draft stock a bit.

 
MAC_32 said:
Been reading some buzz from Carolina that they're enthralled with Clady.I still think Woodson is David Carr, Tim Couch, and Byron Leftwich all wrapped in one. Although his workout may have helped his draft stock a bit.
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That's about the ugliest combination I have ever seen. He's bad but that is really bad.
 
Nice Post Jeter...

Any word on how IU WR Hardy looked today? I think this kid might be the biggest wildcard in the draft...

 
Max Power said:
Nice Post Jeter...

Any word on how IU WR Hardy looked today? I think this kid might be the biggest wildcard in the draft...
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James Hardy thought Wednesday felt like just another Indiana practice. Except, of course, there were a lot more spectators and the stakes were far higher.Hardy, 11 of his Hoosiers teammates and Indiana State's Tony West spent about 90 minutes working out on Indiana's annual pro day. The crowd included Indiana players, friends and NFL scouts and coaches from at least 18 teams including Bengals coach Marvin Lewis.

Nobody had more to gain, or lose, than Hardy, who is trying to prove he's worthy of a first-round pick in April's draft, and the 6-foot-7 receiver seemed to perform well. He dropped only two passes, improved his vertical leap by nearly six inches and finally got some hands-on training with NFL route-running.

After having a substandard vertical leap of 31½ inches at the combine, Hardy leaped 37 inches Wednesday and he cut well while running the routes he rarely was asked to do in college.

"We don't run a lot of NFL type routes, so it was interesting to watch," coach Bill Lynch said.

Hardy didn't participate in every drill. He skipped the weight lifting portion and, based on the advice of his agent Eugene Parker, decided not to run the 40-yard dash after being clocked in the 4.50-second range in Indianapolis less than two weeks ago.

http://www.wsbt.com/sports/16314306.html

 
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jeter23 said:
Max Power said:
Nice Post Jeter...

Any word on how IU WR Hardy looked today? I think this kid might be the biggest wildcard in the draft...
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James Hardy thought Wednesday felt like just another Indiana practice. Except, of course, there were a lot more spectators and the stakes were far higher.Hardy, 11 of his Hoosiers teammates and Indiana State's Tony West spent about 90 minutes working out on Indiana's annual pro day. The crowd included Indiana players, friends and NFL scouts and coaches from at least 18 teams including Bengals coach Marvin Lewis.

Nobody had more to gain, or lose, than Hardy, who is trying to prove he's worthy of a first-round pick in April's draft, and the 6-foot-7 receiver seemed to perform well. He dropped only two passes, improved his vertical leap by nearly six inches and finally got some hands-on training with NFL route-running.

After having a substandard vertical leap of 31½ inches at the combine, Hardy leaped 37 inches Wednesday and he cut well while running the routes he rarely was asked to do in college.

"We don't run a lot of NFL type routes, so it was interesting to watch," coach Bill Lynch said.

Hardy didn't participate in every drill. He skipped the weight lifting portion and, based on the advice of his agent Eugene Parker, decided not to run the 40-yard dash after being clocked in the 4.50-second range in Indianapolis less than two weeks ago.

http://www.wsbt.com/sports/16314306.html
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Thanks for the Link. I thought he measured in at the combine around 6'5"... Can't get too excited over this quote... "We don't run a lot of NFL type routes, so it was interesting to watch,"

 
Vernon Gholston turned in a performance this afternoon that likely enhanced the outgoing Ohio State defensive end's chances of being among the top 10 picks of next month's NFL draft.

At the Buckeyes' annual pro day, where draft eligible players workout for NFL coaches and scouts, Gholston ran a consensus 4.58-second 40-yard dash. That was about a half-second better than he had run last month at the scouting combine in Indianapolis.

http://dispatch.com/live/content/football/...ay.html?sid=101

 
http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml...;ATCLID=1406971

With 30-plus NFL scouts and coaches looking on, the two players with the most to gain at USF Pro Day turned in impressive results in tMike Jenkins at NFL Combine weight room and on the field Friday.

Cornerback Mike Jenkins, who many project as the top corner in the draft, did not participate in the testing portion of the day. He decided to let his NFL Combine 40 time of 4.38 stand. The Bradenton native did work in position drills alongside Trae Williams and former Bull Sam Miller, who worked out as a safety. The NFL scouts in attendance openly commented on Williams' hands and that they graded out well at the NFL Combine. He flashed those skills, only dropping one pass on the day. Jenkins also only had one drop.

 
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dl...D=2008803070358

Nearly two dozen important pairs of eyes were focused on Joe Flacco late Thursday morning.

They belonged to men wearing the unmistakable logos and colors of National Football League franchises -- the navy blue trimmed in red of the New England Patriots, the Baltimore Ravens' purple, the New Orleans Saints' black and old gold.

As Flacco's spirals zipped through the clear, crisp air at Rullo Stadium, eyebrows were raised, whispers were made, notes were scribbled, thoughts were stored.

 
I can understand differences in 40 times from the combine to a pro day (simply, who's holding the clock, wind, track, etc . . ). But, what's up with the big improvements in verticals? How does Hardy jump 6 inches higher? Also, Hubbard from Wisconsin goes from 29.5 at the combine to 39.5 at his pro day. There are a few others as well. How can there be that much variance in a vertical jump?

 
BuckeyeArt said:
I can understand differences in 40 times from the combine to a pro day (simply, who's holding the clock, wind, track, etc . . ). But, what's up with the big improvements in verticals? How does Hardy jump 6 inches higher? Also, Hubbard from Wisconsin goes from 29.5 at the combine to 39.5 at his pro day. There are a few others as well. How can there be that much variance in a vertical jump?
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How they feel that day, maybe?
 
mcintyre1 said:
BuckeyeArt said:
I can understand differences in 40 times from the combine to a pro day (simply, who's holding the clock, wind, track, etc . . ). But, what's up with the big improvements in verticals? How does Hardy jump 6 inches higher? Also, Hubbard from Wisconsin goes from 29.5 at the combine to 39.5 at his pro day. There are a few others as well. How can there be that much variance in a vertical jump?
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How they feel that day, maybe?
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I'm sure that's part of it. Part of it could also be watching someone else make the jump with proper technique. If you see somebody do it right, you imitate that and practice it. :rolleyes:
 
BuckeyeArt said:
I can understand differences in 40 times from the combine to a pro day (simply, who's holding the clock, wind, track, etc . . ). But, what's up with the big improvements in verticals? How does Hardy jump 6 inches higher? Also, Hubbard from Wisconsin goes from 29.5 at the combine to 39.5 at his pro day. There are a few others as well. How can there be that much variance in a vertical jump?
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McFadden will probably add five or six inches at his Pro Day too. You would think all these kids get great instruction, but the fact is the Peter Principle is alive and well with trainers and agents throughout this process. Marcellus Wiley recently explained how he went from 33 to 39 on the vertical by changing one stupid little thing. You roll your shoulders back and down when you reach for the initial measurement. If you extend like McFadden clearly does at the Combine, you take take 4-5 inches off of your mark. McFadden skied on that leap and got a 31. He'll be 36 or higher next time. Hardy has always had big hops from his hoop days. He would snatch rebounds from 6-9 guys all the time. Wiley's discussion on how to beat each drill was very eye opening, btw, and reinforced the small weight I believe is actually appled to these events. Josh Johnson had his Pro Day yesterday here in SD, and I cannot find anything about it. I hope he recovered from his disastrous Combine. If anyone has the time to google around for the story or blurbs that would be great. I cannot find anything and have a busy day here.
 
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Josh Johnson had his Pro Day yesterday here in SD, and I cannot find anything about it. I hope he recovered from his disastrous Combine. If anyone has the time to google around for the story or blurbs that would be great. I cannot find anything and have a busy day here.
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osh Johnson's passes looked really sharp during a 45 minute workout at Friday's San Diego Pro Day. His spirals were tight, with most directly on mark. He worked two series of deep balls - one to each sideline. The second set (to the left sideline) was his best - he hit the receivers in-stride 40-45 yards down field on all five throws, with nice spirals on four of them. His sets of sideline routes were also really strong.There were scouts from a majority of teams there to watch Johnson, as well as two or three head coaches. The Bears scout was there, and was catching it from Norv Turner about how much he knew about Johnson's stats (43/1 TD/INT ratio) and workout habits. The Giants had three scouts there, and they were all over him when the workout was finished. One of them said "I don't get the questions about his arm. He has a strong arm." Whatever questions were raised during the combines seem to have been answered in their minds.Johnson didn't run the 40 or take part in any of the agility tests.
 
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[McFadden will probably add five or six inches at his Pro Day too. You would think all these kids get great instruction, but the fact is the Peter Principle is alive and well with trainers and agents throughout this process. Marcellus Wiley recently explained how he went from 33 to 39 on the vertical by changing one stupid little thing. You roll your shoulders back and down when you reach for the initial measurement. If you extend like McFadden clearly does at the Combine, you take take 4-5 inches off of your mark. McFadden skied on that leap and got a 31. He'll be 36 or higher next time. Hardy has always had big hops from his hoop days. He would snatch rebounds from 6-9 guys all the time.
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It's really hard for me to believe that with all the practice and instruction, none of them had their best leap at the combine and that they are all suddenly figuring out how to jump 6 inches higher. These guys are improving by huge amounts. One thing I noticed when the combine number came out was that all the verticals were significantly lower than past years. For example, in 2007, there were 6 WR's jumping 39 and above at the combine. There were none this year. For RB's, Stewart posted the highest at 36.5 this year. Last year, there were 6 RB's at 36.5 and above. Why?
 
BuckeyeArt said:
Chaos Commish said:
[McFadden will probably add five or six inches at his Pro Day too. You would think all these kids get great instruction, but the fact is the Peter Principle is alive and well with trainers and agents throughout this process. Marcellus Wiley recently explained how he went from 33 to 39 on the vertical by changing one stupid little thing. You roll your shoulders back and down when you reach for the initial measurement. If you extend like McFadden clearly does at the Combine, you take take 4-5 inches off of your mark. McFadden skied on that leap and got a 31. He'll be 36 or higher next time. Hardy has always had big hops from his hoop days. He would snatch rebounds from 6-9 guys all the time.
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It's really hard for me to believe that with all the practice and instruction, none of them had their best leap at the combine and that they are all suddenly figuring out how to jump 6 inches higher. These guys are improving by huge amounts. One thing I noticed when the combine number came out was that all the verticals were significantly lower than past years. For example, in 2007, there were 6 WR's jumping 39 and above at the combine. There were none this year. For RB's, Stewart posted the highest at 36.5 this year. Last year, there were 6 RB's at 36.5 and above. Why?
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Can't speak for everybody else, but what I'm trying to say is that some of these guys do not practice and train properly for the vertical jump. Then when they see somebody do it right, they improve. Alternatively, some coach may see the poor form and help them with some instruction. In some of these events, form can make that much of a difference.
 
Chaos Commish said:
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McFadden will probably add five or six inches at his Pro Day too. You would think all these kids get great instruction, but the fact is the Peter Principle is alive and well with trainers and agents throughout this process. Marcellus Wiley recently explained how he went from 33 to 39 on the vertical by changing one stupid little thing. You roll your shoulders back and down when you reach for the initial measurement. If you extend like McFadden clearly does at the Combine, you take take 4-5 inches off of your mark. McFadden skied on that leap and got a 31. He'll be 36 or higher next time. Hardy has always had big hops from his hoop days. He would snatch rebounds from 6-9 guys all the time.
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If I'm understanding the bolded part correctly, the guys aren't really jumping any higher, they're just lowering the initial measurement so there's a greater difference?Isn't that going to be obvious to anybody who looks at the two numbers? Or will they just assume his arms have gotten shorter, but his leaping ability improved?

 
heckmanm said:
Chaos Commish said:
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McFadden will probably add five or six inches at his Pro Day too. You would think all these kids get great instruction, but the fact is the Peter Principle is alive and well with trainers and agents throughout this process. Marcellus Wiley recently explained how he went from 33 to 39 on the vertical by changing one stupid little thing. You roll your shoulders back and down when you reach for the initial measurement. If you extend like McFadden clearly does at the Combine, you take take 4-5 inches off of your mark. McFadden skied on that leap and got a 31. He'll be 36 or higher next time. Hardy has always had big hops from his hoop days. He would snatch rebounds from 6-9 guys all the time.
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If I'm understanding the bolded part correctly, the guys aren't really jumping any higher, they're just lowering the initial measurement so there's a greater difference?Isn't that going to be obvious to anybody who looks at the two numbers? Or will they just assume his arms have gotten shorter, but his leaping ability improved?
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Yes, it's all obvious to those with the internal data we never see. It's just another reason why all the measuring doesn't weigh very heavy with me. If you saw Marcellus Wiley explain this you would have shaken your head then laughed. I tested myself on the wall. Posture makes a four inch difference. In his case it was six inches. The kids that go to the professional training operations like in the big ones in AZ and FL are properly coached for this, and the bench, and the quickness tests. The 40 is about the only thing they can't tweak. The guys who go workout with Michael Lewis (McFadden and Jones) run fast 40s but don't get the clever tips on how to excel in other events. To illustrate how poorly prepared McFadden was he ran that 4.33 in cross trainers. :confused: The rest of them were in high tech track shoes. That's easily worth about a half tenth, maybe a tenth. McFadden probably would have given Chris Johnson's time a run in track shoes. 4.2 something, that's for sure. I'm kicking myself for not recording Wiley that morning. It was great insider stuff.

 
Chaos Commish said:
heckmanm said:
Chaos Commish said:
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McFadden will probably add five or six inches at his Pro Day too. You would think all these kids get great instruction, but the fact is the Peter Principle is alive and well with trainers and agents throughout this process. Marcellus Wiley recently explained how he went from 33 to 39 on the vertical by changing one stupid little thing. You roll your shoulders back and down when you reach for the initial measurement. If you extend like McFadden clearly does at the Combine, you take take 4-5 inches off of your mark. McFadden skied on that leap and got a 31. He'll be 36 or higher next time. Hardy has always had big hops from his hoop days. He would snatch rebounds from 6-9 guys all the time.
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If I'm understanding the bolded part correctly, the guys aren't really jumping any higher, they're just lowering the initial measurement so there's a greater difference?Isn't that going to be obvious to anybody who looks at the two numbers? Or will they just assume his arms have gotten shorter, but his leaping ability improved?
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Yes, it's all obvious to those with the internal data we never see. It's just another reason why all the measuring doesn't weigh very heavy with me. If you saw Marcellus Wiley explain this you would have shaken your head then laughed. I tested myself on the wall. Posture makes a four inch difference. In his case it was six inches. The kids that go to the professional training operations like in the big ones in AZ and FL are properly coached for this, and the bench, and the quickness tests. The 40 is about the only thing they can't tweak. The guys who go workout with Michael Lewis (McFadden and Jones) run fast 40s but don't get the clever tips on how to excel in other events. To illustrate how poorly prepared McFadden was he ran that 4.33 in cross trainers. :wolf: The rest of them were in high tech track shoes. That's easily worth about a half tenth, maybe a tenth. McFadden probably would have given Chris Johnson's time a run in track shoes. 4.2 something, that's for sure. I'm kicking myself for not recording Wiley that morning. It was great insider stuff.
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Thanks for the Mcfadden and vertical info...I was wondering how the vertical increased so much too...if there was some process to ACTUALLY make you jump higher by (5-6) inches in a week Im sure they would have had done it in the intense training they did leading up to the combine.
 
Chaos Commish said:
heckmanm said:
Chaos Commish said:
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McFadden will probably add five or six inches at his Pro Day too. You would think all these kids get great instruction, but the fact is the Peter Principle is alive and well with trainers and agents throughout this process. Marcellus Wiley recently explained how he went from 33 to 39 on the vertical by changing one stupid little thing. You roll your shoulders back and down when you reach for the initial measurement. If you extend like McFadden clearly does at the Combine, you take take 4-5 inches off of your mark. McFadden skied on that leap and got a 31. He'll be 36 or higher next time. Hardy has always had big hops from his hoop days. He would snatch rebounds from 6-9 guys all the time.
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If I'm understanding the bolded part correctly, the guys aren't really jumping any higher, they're just lowering the initial measurement so there's a greater difference?Isn't that going to be obvious to anybody who looks at the two numbers? Or will they just assume his arms have gotten shorter, but his leaping ability improved?
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Yes, it's all obvious to those with the internal data we never see. It's just another reason why all the measuring doesn't weigh very heavy with me. If you saw Marcellus Wiley explain this you would have shaken your head then laughed. I tested myself on the wall. Posture makes a four inch difference. In his case it was six inches. The kids that go to the professional training operations like in the big ones in AZ and FL are properly coached for this, and the bench, and the quickness tests. The 40 is about the only thing they can't tweak. The guys who go workout with Michael Lewis (McFadden and Jones) run fast 40s but don't get the clever tips on how to excel in other events. To illustrate how poorly prepared McFadden was he ran that 4.33 in cross trainers. :wolf: The rest of them were in high tech track shoes. That's easily worth about a half tenth, maybe a tenth. McFadden probably would have given Chris Johnson's time a run in track shoes. 4.2 something, that's for sure. I'm kicking myself for not recording Wiley that morning. It was great insider stuff.
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CBS is reporting that Gholston added six inches to his vertical as well.
 
DarabZarrabi said:
Chaos Commish said:
heckmanm said:
Chaos Commish said:
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McFadden will probably add five or six inches at his Pro Day too. You would think all these kids get great instruction, but the fact is the Peter Principle is alive and well with trainers and agents throughout this process. Marcellus Wiley recently explained how he went from 33 to 39 on the vertical by changing one stupid little thing. You roll your shoulders back and down when you reach for the initial measurement. If you extend like McFadden clearly does at the Combine, you take take 4-5 inches off of your mark. McFadden skied on that leap and got a 31. He'll be 36 or higher next time. Hardy has always had big hops from his hoop days. He would snatch rebounds from 6-9 guys all the time.
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If I'm understanding the bolded part correctly, the guys aren't really jumping any higher, they're just lowering the initial measurement so there's a greater difference?Isn't that going to be obvious to anybody who looks at the two numbers? Or will they just assume his arms have gotten shorter, but his leaping ability improved?
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Yes, it's all obvious to those with the internal data we never see. It's just another reason why all the measuring doesn't weigh very heavy with me. If you saw Marcellus Wiley explain this you would have shaken your head then laughed. I tested myself on the wall. Posture makes a four inch difference. In his case it was six inches. The kids that go to the professional training operations like in the big ones in AZ and FL are properly coached for this, and the bench, and the quickness tests. The 40 is about the only thing they can't tweak. The guys who go workout with Michael Lewis (McFadden and Jones) run fast 40s but don't get the clever tips on how to excel in other events. To illustrate how poorly prepared McFadden was he ran that 4.33 in cross trainers. :lmao: The rest of them were in high tech track shoes. That's easily worth about a half tenth, maybe a tenth. McFadden probably would have given Chris Johnson's time a run in track shoes. 4.2 something, that's for sure. I'm kicking myself for not recording Wiley that morning. It was great insider stuff.
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Thanks for the Mcfadden and vertical info...I was wondering how the vertical increased so much too...if there was some process to ACTUALLY make you jump higher by (5-6) inches in a week Im sure they would have had done it in the intense training they did leading up to the combine.
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While CC certainly provided some nice insight with his post, I tend to think the explanation is far more simple. The combine is like a circus and many players may not handle that environment as well as the more comfortable confines of their local training facility. Furthermore, the circus nature of the combine leads to LOTS of standing around, waiting and general wastes of time for these athletes. There is an extremely high probability that they players are not as loose as they would be had the work outs moved along more quickly. How loose your muscles are can GREATLY impact vertical jump especially because it is such an explosive measure. Of course you can say that these guys are supposed to know about all of that and be prepared. But remember, there are distractions everywhere at the combine and these are, in reality, just kids.
 
jurb26 said:
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McFadden will probably add five or six inches at his Pro Day too. You would think all these kids get great instruction, but the fact is the Peter Principle is alive and well with trainers and agents throughout this process. Marcellus Wiley recently explained how he went from 33 to 39 on the vertical by changing one stupid little thing. You roll your shoulders back and down when you reach for the initial measurement. If you extend like McFadden clearly does at the Combine, you take take 4-5 inches off of your mark. McFadden skied on that leap and got a 31. He'll be 36 or higher next time. Hardy has always had big hops from his hoop days. He would snatch rebounds from 6-9 guys all the time.
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If I'm understanding the bolded part correctly, the guys aren't really jumping any higher, they're just lowering the initial measurement so there's a greater difference?Isn't that going to be obvious to anybody who looks at the two numbers? Or will they just assume his arms have gotten shorter, but his leaping ability improved?
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Yes, it's all obvious to those with the internal data we never see. It's just another reason why all the measuring doesn't weigh very heavy with me. If you saw Marcellus Wiley explain this you would have shaken your head then laughed. I tested myself on the wall. Posture makes a four inch difference. In his case it was six inches. The kids that go to the professional training operations like in the big ones in AZ and FL are properly coached for this, and the bench, and the quickness tests. The 40 is about the only thing they can't tweak. The guys who go workout with Michael Lewis (McFadden and Jones) run fast 40s but don't get the clever tips on how to excel in other events. To illustrate how poorly prepared McFadden was he ran that 4.33 in cross trainers. :shrug: The rest of them were in high tech track shoes. That's easily worth about a half tenth, maybe a tenth. McFadden probably would have given Chris Johnson's time a run in track shoes. 4.2 something, that's for sure. I'm kicking myself for not recording Wiley that morning. It was great insider stuff.
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Thanks for the Mcfadden and vertical info...I was wondering how the vertical increased so much too...if there was some process to ACTUALLY make you jump higher by (5-6) inches in a week Im sure they would have had done it in the intense training they did leading up to the combine.
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While CC certainly provided some nice insight with his post, I tend to think the explanation is far more simple. The combine is like a circus and many players may not handle that environment as well as the more comfortable confines of their local training facility. Furthermore, the circus nature of the combine leads to LOTS of standing around, waiting and general wastes of time for these athletes. There is an extremely high probability that they players are not as loose as they would be had the work outs moved along more quickly. How loose your muscles are can GREATLY impact vertical jump especially because it is such an explosive measure. Of course you can say that these guys are supposed to know about all of that and be prepared. But remember, there are distractions everywhere at the combine and these are, in reality, just kids.
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I agree there's a big combination of your thoughts and mine at play. Even more reason not to get too carried away with the measuring process. Of course, the kids with better measureables are better ballplayers in general, but that's usually established on the field, then when necessary, break some ties and or tiers based on measureables understanding both processes are inaccurate, but primarily the film don't lie.
 
I'm having trouble buying either explanation. Neither explains the sudden and significant decrease from last year to this year. How do you account for that?

 
happy_donut said:
BuckeyeArt said:
I'm having trouble buying either explanation. Neither explains the sudden and significant decrease from last year to this year. How do you account for that?
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Too small a sample size. You can't tell if last year wasn't the anomaly.
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It wasn't. Here are the averages of the top 10 jumps for WR's for the last 5 years:2008 - 36.152007 - 38.902006 - 38.352005 - 38.652004 - 38.90This year was definitely reduced. RB's were similar with this year producing an average of more than 2 inches lower than the averages of the previous 4 years. Something was different this year.
 
BuckeyeArt said:
happy_donut said:
BuckeyeArt said:
I'm having trouble buying either explanation. Neither explains the sudden and significant decrease from last year to this year. How do you account for that?
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Too small a sample size. You can't tell if last year wasn't the anomaly.
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It wasn't. Here are the averages of the top 10 jumps for WR's for the last 5 years:2008 - 36.15

2007 - 38.90

2006 - 38.35

2005 - 38.65

2004 - 38.90

This year was definitely reduced. RB's were similar with this year producing an average of more than 2 inches lower than the averages of the previous 4 years. Something was different this year.
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They had a video up on NFL.com. A Chiefs low level wannabe scout type was running the vertical this year. He was fairly adamant about making the guys really stretch on the initial measurement. Also, he was making doubly sure nobody took a stutter step, no matter how small, before the jump. Basically, it sounds like this year they were making players do it the right way. They could go back to cheating the test at their pro days.
 
Apparently, Gholston didn't look all that great...

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NFL personnel arrived at the Ohio State Pro Day excited about how DE Vernon Gholston would work out. He no doubt looks the part: very muscular and defined. Gholston impressed many when he ran his 40 on field turf instead of Ohio State's notoriously fast track, timing a 4.63 and a 4.65. Then jumped a 37-38 inch vertical; anyone who reports he jumped 42 inches has bad sources as the testing unit was slightly broken during his jump. Once on the field, though, Gholston was not nearly as impressive. He is so muscle-bound and big that he struggled to bend knees and sink hips, which hindered his ability to change directions in drills.
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I'm confused about this report that says Hardy and Porter didn't look very good at their pro days either. Last week, it was said that Porter ran a 4.29 and a 4.32? :thumbup:
Many were interested to see how Indiana's top two prospects performed at their pro day, and the reviews were mixed. Big WR James Hardy did not do many of the drills and refused to run a 60 shuttle as he choose to rely on what he did at the Combine, but his vertical jump was 36 inches. He had a decent workout. He was smooth and athletic running routes but double-caught most of the passes. He did not impress enough to climb into first-round territory. CB Tracy Porter ran well, timing a 4.49 and 4.51, and looked athletic and quick-footed doing drills. But he didn't knock anyone's socks off and raised concerns by displaying a lack of competitiveness that he often showed on film but had improved upon during the Senior Bowl and Combine. He did not hurt or help himself much when the day was over and did not force himself into the conversation with the top cornerbacks.
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Gil Brandt has quick blurbs form each pro day.

New Mexico (March 6)

Eight NFL teams were represented, including three that sent their WR coaches to check out Marcus Smith. Prospects ran indoors on Field Turf ...

» WR Marcus Smith (6-1 3/8, 223): Ran the 40 in 4.58 and 4.54. Had a 29-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot, 3-inch long jump. Ran position drills and stood on the rest of his numbers from the combine.

» WR Travis Brown (6-2, 194): Ran the 40 in 4.54 and 4.46, had a 34-inch vertical jump and 10-foot, 4-inch long jump. Ran position drills and stood on the rest of his numbers from the combine.

» OT Devin Clark (6-3 5/8, 306): Ran the 40 in 5.37 and 5.34, had a 25 ½-inch vertical jump and 8-foot, 7-inch long jump. Did no other drills.

TCU (March 6)

Thirteen TCU players worked out, and 15 teams were represented among the scouts in attendance. Prospects worked out indoors on Field Turf ...

» DL Tommy Blake: Had a very good workout ... Weighed in at 272. Ran the 40 in 4.80 and 4.83. Had a 30 ½-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 3-inch long jump, 4.37 short shuttle, 7.16 cone drill and had 23 reps in the bench press.

» S Brian Bonner (5-11 1/8, 200): Ran the 40 in 4.65 and 4.57, had a 4.26 short shuttle and 7.03 cone drill. Ran position drills and stood on the rest of his numbers from the combine.

» DL Chase Ortiz (6-2 5/8, 252): Ran the 40 in 4.94 and 4.90, had a 31-inch vertical jump, ran position drills and stood on the rest of his numbers from the combine.

» S David Roach (6-0 ¾, 208): Had a 38 ½-inch vertical jump, ran position drills and stood on the rest of his numbers from the combine..

Indiana (March 5)

Twelve Hoosiers worked out, plus one player from Indiana State. They ran and did drills indoors on Field Turf ...

» WR James Hardy: Weighed in at 214. He had a 37-inch vertical jump and ran position drills, stood with everything else he recorded at the combine.

» CB Tracy Porter (5-10 ¾, 187): Ran the 40 in 4.47 and 4.41, ran position drills and stood on the rest of his numbers from the combine.

» CB Leslie Majors (5-9 ½, 168): Ran the 40 in 4.53 and 4.55, had a 33-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 1-inch long jump, 4.37 short shuttle, 7.11 cone drill and had 11 reps in the bench press.

Kentucky (March 5)

Among the NFL personnel in attendance were QB coaches Chris Palmer (Giants) and Ken Anderson (Steelers). Prospects ran indoors on a fast Astroturf track ...

» WR Steve Johnson: Weighed in at 203. Ran the 40 in 4.53 and 4.51, ran position drills, and stood with everything else he recorded at the combine.

» QB Andre Woodson: Weighed in at 227. Ran the 40 in 4.86 and 4.88, had a 27 ½-inch vertical jump (disappointing), 9-foot, 1-inch long jump, 4.33 short shuttle, and 7.28 cone drill.

Texas A&M (March 5)

Fifteen NFL teams were on hand, and the group included TE coaches Alfredo Roberts (Cleveland) and Jonathan Hayes (Cincinnati), who were there to see Martellus Bennett. Prospects ran indoors on Astroturf, running the shuttles on Field Turf ...

» TE Martellus Bennett: Bennett ran position drills only, and let the rest of his measurables stand from the combine.

» DL Joseph Bryant (6-4, 313): Ran the 40 in 4.88 and 4.92, ran position drills and stood on the rest of his numbers from the combine.

» OL Corey Clark (6-5 ¼, 304): Ran the 40 in 5.13 and 5.19, had a 29-inch vertical jump, and 8-foot, 8-inch long jump.

» DL Chris Harrington: He had a 37 ½-inch vertical jump, ran position drills, and stood with everything else he recorded at the combine.

» OL Cody Wallace (6-3 ¾, 291): Ran the 40 in 5.18 and 5.17, ran position drills and stood on the rest of his numbers from the combine.

» DL Henry Smith (6-2 1/8, 310): Ran the 40 in 5.19 and 5.12, had a 30-inch vertical jump, 7-foot, 11-inch long jump, and had 26 reps in the bench press.

Baylor (March 4)

Twelve NFL teams were present to see seven players work out. The prospects worked out outdoors on Astroturf ...

» DB Josh Bell (5-11 1/8, 177): Ran the 40 in 4.46 and 4.42, with a 33-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 1-inch long jump, 4.50 short shuttle, 7.52 cone drill and 9 reps in the bench press.

» LB Nick Moore (6-1 ¼, 224): Ran the 40 in 4.70 and 4.63, had a 30 ½-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 2-inch long jump, 4.47 short shuttle, 7.34 cone drill and 29 reps in the bench press.

Idaho (March 4)

Eleven players from the '07 team and three others from the 2006 team worked out in front of representatives from 12 NFL teams, including LB coach Mike Cox of the Rams, who was there to see LB David Vobora. Due to bad weather conditions outside, the prospects worked out inside, on a hard surface that was not good for workouts ...

» LB David Vobora (6-1 ¼, 234): Ran the 40 in 4.60 and 4.62, with a 35 ½-inch vertical jump. Vobora let most of his numbers from the combine stand, as he had a very good workout in Indianapolis.

» CB Stanley Franks (5-8 ¾, 177): Ran the 40 in 4.39 and 4.43, had a 38-inch vertical jump, 10-foot long jump, 4.60 short shuttle, 7.68 cone drill and 10 reps in the bench press.

» LB Brandon Ogletree (6-2 3/8, 227): Ran the 40 in 4.46 and 4.48, had a 32 ½-inch vertical jump, and 9-foot, 8-inch long jump, 4.76 short shuttle, 7.71 cone drill and 27 reps in the bench press.

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2008 Scouting Combine

» More photos Troy State (March 4)

Six NFL teams were represented, including the defensive back coaches from Jacksonville, Tampa Bay and Seattle, who were there to see top prospect Theodis McKelvin. Sixteen players worked out, however McKelvin didn't do much. He is scheduled to hold a private workout on March 11 -- a day after auburn's pro day and one day before Alabama's -- at which there will be a large contingent of NFL personnel ...

» CB Theodis McKelvin: Had a 38 ½-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 5-inch long jump, ran position drills and stood on the rest of his numbers from the combine.

» LB Marcus Richardson (5-11 7/8, 235): Ran the 40 in 4.56 and 4.59, outdoors and against the wind. Had a 34 ½-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 9-inch long jump, a 4.49 short shuttle, 6.75 cone drill and had 22 reps in the bench press.

Utah State (March 4)

Ten NFL teams sent scouts to Utah State, including the Dolphins who sent their offensive line coach to see OL prospect Shawn Murphy. Seven players from the '07 team and one from the 2006 team worked out on the indoor, Astroturf surface ...

» WR/KR Kevin Robinson (5-11 ¾, 196): Ran the 40 in 4.65 (twice), with a 32 ½-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 10-inch long jump, 4.47 short shuttle and 6.81 cone drill.

» OL Shawn Murphy (6-3 7/8, 314): Ran the 40 in 5.14 and 5.15, had a 27-inch vertical jump, 4.44 short shuttle and 7.37 cone drill.

Army (March 3)

The group of players who worked out included a Cadet from the class of '06 and another from the class of '05. One player, FB Mike Viti, was not invited to the combine but looked pretty good in these workouts ...

» WR/KR Corey Anderson (5-7, 166): Ran the 40 in 4.53 and 4.58, had a 38-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 1-inch long jump, 4.43 short shuttle and 6.93 cone drill.

» QB David Pevoto (6-3, 222): Ran the 40 in 4.86 and 4.84, had a 26-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 1-inch long jump, 4.67 short shuttle and 7.41 cone drill.

» FB Mike Viti (5-9, 242): Ran the 40 in 4.87 and 4.86, had a 30 ½-inch vertical jump, 8-foot, 7-inch long jump, 4.60 short shuttle and 7.37 cone drill.

Boise State (March 3)

Fourteen players worked out -- 13 from Boise State and one (Michael Eby) from Eastern Oregon. Players ran indoors on soft (slow) field turf. Among the personnel in attendance were head coach John Fox and general manger Marty Hurney of the Panthers ...

» OT Ryan Clady: Weighed in at 311. He ran the 40 in 5.20 and 5.27, with a 31-inch vertical jump, 9-foot long jump, 4.7 short shuttle and 7.07 cone drill.

» CB Orlando Scandrick (5-10 1/8, 194): Ran the 40 in 4.32 and 4.34, with a 4.37 short shuttle, 6.76 cone drill and 8 lifts at the bench press.

» C/G Jeffrey Cavender (6-1 ¾, 303): Ran the 40 in 5.48 and 5.44, with a 25-inch vertical jump, 7-foot, 10-inch long jump, 4.7 short shuttle and 7.07 cone drill. He had 24 reps in the bench press.

Miami-Fla. (Feb. 29)

Sixteen players worked out, running outdoors on short grass (faster field) ... There were 40 scouts on hand, including the defensive staffs from Carolina and Jacksonville ...

» DB Kenny Phillips (6-2 ¼, 212): Posted a 34-inch vertical jump and ran position drills. Satisfied with his combine numbers, he didn't take part in those drills here.

» DE Calais Campbell (6-8, 283): Ran the 40-yard dash twice and finished in 5.01 seconds both times. He ran the short shuttle in 4.6 seconds and the cone drill in 7.19. He ran position drills but let his bench press at the combine stand.

» LB Tavares Gooden (6-1 3/8, 232): Ran his first 40 in 4.57 and pulled up on his second with a 4.65 finish. He had a 32 ½-inch vertical jump, and kept everything else from the combine.

» DB Glenn Sharpe (5-11 5/8, 185): Ran the 40 in 4.69 and 4.49, with a 10-foot, 2-inch long jump. He kept his other drills from the combine.

» WR Darnell Jenkins (5-9 3/8, 187): Ran the 40 in 4.62 and 4.54. He had a 32 ½-inch vertical jump, ran the short shuttle in 4.33 and the cone drill in 6.90.

» QB Kyle Wright (6-3 3/8, 215): Ran the 40 in 4.87 and 4.84, with a 31-inch vertical jump and an 8-foot, 5-inch long jump. He ran the short shuttle in 4.42 and the cone drill in 6.97.

» WR Lance Leggett (6-3, 189): Ran the 40 in 4.45 and 4.43. He had a 37-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 4-inch long jump, ran the short shuttle in 4.31 and the cone drill in 6.56.

Toledo (Feb. 28)

Nine players from the 2007 team worked out, plus one player who was undrafted from the 2006 Toledo squad. Player ran on an indoor rubber track, and did the other drills on artificial turf ...

» OL John Greco: Ran the 40 in 5.15. He had a 32-inch vertical jump, 4.63 short shuttle and 7.78 cone drill. He stuck with his combine numbers for long jump and bench press.

» RB Jalen Parmele (5-11 3/8, 226): Kept his combine numbers for the 40-yard dash and long jump. He had a 41 ½-inch vertical jump, 4.44 short shuttle and 6.95 cone drill.

» TE Chris Hopkins (6-4 ¾, 273): Ran the 40 in 4.78 and 4.84. He had a 26 ½-inch vertical jump, 7-foot, 9-inch long jump, 4.74 short shuttle and 7.41 cone drill.
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jeter23 said:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dl...D=2008803070358

Nearly two dozen important pairs of eyes were focused on Joe Flacco late Thursday morning.

They belonged to men wearing the unmistakable logos and colors of National Football League franchises -- the navy blue trimmed in red of the New England Patriots, the Baltimore Ravens' purple, the New Orleans Saints' black and old gold.

As Flacco's spirals zipped through the clear, crisp air at Rullo Stadium, eyebrows were raised, whispers were made, notes were scribbled, thoughts were stored.
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I would love the Bears to draft Flacco in the 2nd. I watched every snap he took this year, this guy is REALLY good. He carried a mediocre Delaware team on his back to the 1-AA finals.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
With Brohm's pro day coming up, his stock appears to be rising again.

I would cry tears of joy if the Vikings were to nab him.
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it would be a great pick up. however, i thought Vike fans were kosher - not wildly enthusiastic but still supportive -with Jackson at QB?
 
saintfool said:
Andy Dufresne said:
With Brohm's pro day coming up, his stock appears to be rising again.

I would cry tears of joy if the Vikings were to nab him.
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it would be a great pick up. however, i thought Vike fans were kosher - not wildly enthusiastic but still supportive -with Jackson at QB?
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I think the term you're looking for is "resigned."Childress seems hell bent for election that TJax is his guy. There's not much we can do about it so we're resigned to the fact that he'll be the QB next year.

 
I can't get a true reading on Gholston right now. Just when I thnk he might fall, I read something else that says he's impressing. :lol:

Ohio State's Gholston could be No.1 overall pick?As much as Ohio State defensive end Vernon Gholston wowed scouts during his personal workout Friday, he did the same during private individual workouts Monday for the Miami Dolphins and the New York Jets. Miami, which owns the No. 1 overall pick in April's draft, sent its defensive coordinator Paul Pasqualoni to Columbus to personally work out Gholston on Monday morning. Miami is scheduled to pick first overall. After Miami worked out Gholston in the morning, the New York Jets, who own the sixth overall pick, put the Ohio State defensive end through the pre-draft version of two-a-days, with him providing a personal workout session for Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum. It has now become apparent that Gholston could become the top defensive player drafted, and is unlikely to slip much beyond the sixth overall pick. -- NFL Network
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Andy Dufresne said:
With Brohm's pro day coming up, his stock appears to be rising again.

I would cry tears of joy if the Vikings were to nab him.
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Carlos picks a few players and writes these kinds of articles every year. I got in an email battle with him over Omar Jacobs. I like Brohm as much as anyone, more than most, but this article reeks of blind love.
 
Chaos Commish said:
Andy Dufresne said:
With Brohm's pro day coming up, his stock appears to be rising again.

I would cry tears of joy if the Vikings were to nab him.
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Carlos picks a few players and writes these kinds of articles every year. I got in an email battle with him over Omar Jacobs. I like Brohm as much as anyone, more than most, but this article reeks of blind love.
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I guess I just like that he says the same thing I've been saying. How can a guy that would have been a top 10-15 pick last year, have a better year this year and end up out of the first round? :loco:
 
Deranged Hermit said:
jeter23 said:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dl...D=2008803070358

Nearly two dozen important pairs of eyes were focused on Joe Flacco late Thursday morning.

They belonged to men wearing the unmistakable logos and colors of National Football League franchises -- the navy blue trimmed in red of the New England Patriots, the Baltimore Ravens' purple, the New Orleans Saints' black and old gold.

As Flacco's spirals zipped through the clear, crisp air at Rullo Stadium, eyebrows were raised, whispers were made, notes were scribbled, thoughts were stored.
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I would love the Bears to draft Flacco in the 2nd. I watched every snap he took this year, this guy is REALLY good. He carried a mediocre Delaware team on his back to the 1-AA finals.
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I still haven't seen him play. The last hot prospect I could say that about was Greg Jennings. So I drafted him and it worked out fine. Flacco has me more intrigued than anyone in this draft. The highlights look like a franchise QB to me, but as I understand it, his highlights are misleading more than most. If Ilist him in QB rankings it's just pure hunch and I hate that. I'm pretty sure I have him lower than I should.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Chaos Commish said:
Andy Dufresne said:
With Brohm's pro day coming up, his stock appears to be rising again.

I would cry tears of joy if the Vikings were to nab him.
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Carlos picks a few players and writes these kinds of articles every year. I got in an email battle with him over Omar Jacobs. I like Brohm as much as anyone, more than most, but this article reeks of blind love.
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I guess I just like that he says the same thing I've been saying. How can a guy that would have been a top 10-15 pick last year, have a better year this year and end up out of the first round? :loco:
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Brennan had a late first early second grade last year. Omar Jacobs was considered a top 20 prospect as a Junior. The argument didn't work for Jacobs, but it works for Brohm. I could very easily see him end up as the only true long term franchise QB in this draft. Absolutely.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
I can't get a true reading on Gholston right now. Just when I thnk he might fall, I read something else that says he's impressing. :lol:
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He is impressive. He's just not a polished athlete. More like a brutal freakish speciman, rough around the edges, but so powerful and explosive you cannot ignore him. He's like Ware or Merriman without the fluid hips, ball skills and body control. Or like a straight line RB with bad hands. Groves is the better football player, but Gholston's physicality makes up for that in a big way making him more valuable. His motor runs at higher RPMs for longer stretches too. And since he's not an RB or a 4-3 LB the criticisms probably should not matter. He completely dominated Jake Long last season. But then Long is a little overrated in an overrated class of OLs and that's another story.
 
I read somewhere that Groves improved his vertical by six inches also. This is getting funny. I wonder if they enforced a rule to stop the reach trick at the Combine?

 
Chaos Commish said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Chaos Commish said:
Andy Dufresne said:
With Brohm's pro day coming up, his stock appears to be rising again.

I would cry tears of joy if the Vikings were to nab him.
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Carlos picks a few players and writes these kinds of articles every year. I got in an email battle with him over Omar Jacobs. I like Brohm as much as anyone, more than most, but this article reeks of blind love.
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I guess I just like that he says the same thing I've been saying. How can a guy that would have been a top 10-15 pick last year, have a better year this year and end up out of the first round? :unsure:
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Brennan had a late first early second grade last year. Omar Jacobs was considered a top 20 prospect as a Junior. The argument didn't work for Jacobs, but it works for Brohm. I could very easily see him end up as the only true long term franchise QB in this draft. Absolutely.
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Who had him rated as a 1st/2nd rounder last year?The questions about him now are no different than last year...hes undersized, lacks arm strength, and Timmy-Changed his way to big stats against weak competition.

EDIT TO ADD: Did a search... :shrug: guess the scouts really didnt know what they were talking about

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
I can't get a true reading on Gholston right now. Just when I thnk he might fall, I read something else that says he's impressing. :unsure:

Ohio State's Gholston could be No.1 overall pick?As much as Ohio State defensive end Vernon Gholston wowed scouts during his personal workout Friday, he did the same during private individual workouts Monday for the Miami Dolphins and the New York Jets. Miami, which owns the No. 1 overall pick in April's draft, sent its defensive coordinator Paul Pasqualoni to Columbus to personally work out Gholston on Monday morning. Miami is scheduled to pick first overall. After Miami worked out Gholston in the morning, the New York Jets, who own the sixth overall pick, put the Ohio State defensive end through the pre-draft version of two-a-days, with him providing a personal workout session for Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum. It has now become apparent that Gholston could become the top defensive player drafted, and is unlikely to slip much beyond the sixth overall pick. -- NFL Network
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If Chris Long goes top 3, I think there's a darn good chance Gholston doesn't make it out of the top 4.And it's all because of the Tommy Kelly signing. That deal basically tells everyone that the Raiders think Kelly is their 3 tech DT. Makes Dorsey/Ellis kind of difficult to slot to Oakland. I don't think McFadden is on their radar, I think they are ready to go into the season with the backs they have now.Gholston isn't my ideal pick for them, but the planets seem to be aligning this way. If C. Long does make it to the Raiders, I dunno where I may slot Gholston, but a pass rusher with his physical traits? Tough to see him leaving the top 10.
 
Chaos Commish said:
Deranged Hermit said:
jeter23 said:
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dl...D=2008803070358

Nearly two dozen important pairs of eyes were focused on Joe Flacco late Thursday morning.

They belonged to men wearing the unmistakable logos and colors of National Football League franchises -- the navy blue trimmed in red of the New England Patriots, the Baltimore Ravens' purple, the New Orleans Saints' black and old gold.

As Flacco's spirals zipped through the clear, crisp air at Rullo Stadium, eyebrows were raised, whispers were made, notes were scribbled, thoughts were stored.
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I would love the Bears to draft Flacco in the 2nd. I watched every snap he took this year, this guy is REALLY good. He carried a mediocre Delaware team on his back to the 1-AA finals.
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I still haven't seen him play. The last hot prospect I could say that about was Greg Jennings. So I drafted him and it worked out fine. Flacco has me more intrigued than anyone in this draft. The highlights look like a franchise QB to me, but as I understand it, his highlights are misleading more than most. If Ilist him in QB rankings it's just pure hunch and I hate that. I'm pretty sure I have him lower than I should.
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You hit the nail on the head: he's a great value due to the lack of exposure. I graduated from U of D, so I watch most, if not all of their games. Trust me, this guy is really good. He might be the best QB in the draft.
 
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