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Most who underperformed at the Senior Bowl and/or combine come up with some sort of excuse, some may be legit but there's enough BS that I don't believe any of them. Being 'sick' seems to be a popular one this season, I put as much stock into their illness as I do those who called off work today 'sick'.Notre Dame guys all impress. - John Carlson most of all. I didn't realize that he was sick at both the Senior Bowl and Combine.
Sweed runs a 4.40 at the Texas pro day.
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Hard to fake losing 17+ pounds like Carlson and Brennan did.Most who underperformed at the Senior Bowl and/or combine come up with some sort of excuse, some may be legit but there's enough BS that I don't believe any of them. Being 'sick' seems to be a popular one this season, I put as much stock into their illness as I do those who called off work today 'sick'.Notre Dame guys all impress. - John Carlson most of all. I didn't realize that he was sick at both the Senior Bowl and Combine.
Sweed runs a 4.40 at the Texas pro day.
Colorado
Houston
From Mosley's Hashmarks
For someone whose big selling points are intangibles and leadership, he comes across to me as a craven little wank with no faith in himself to rise to a single challenge this offseason.
This wasn't the first scripted private workout, and it won't be the last. I don't think it reflects on his personality, at all.
Oh no doubt, but CC is right. When's the last time you heard such a lukewarm response to a consensus number one's well rehearsed scripted workout?
I'm pretty sure that his agent is the person responsible for the performance. They just want to make sure he's seen in the most favorable light.
Where are you getting this?
First part - (boiled down) Mayock. The rest is my growing discontent after giving him the benefit of a doubt.
I'll play devil's advocate...or their true weights were on display and they juiced up before the combine but blamed their former weight on being ill. I'm not saying I believe this is the case, I'm just saying it can't be eliminated as a possibility. I realize one tends to lose weight when ill, but 20 pounds give or take? and to put it all back in one month? I don't feel comfortable "being ill" is the only reason.Hard to fake losing 17+ pounds like Carlson and Brennan did.Most who underperformed at the Senior Bowl and/or combine come up with some sort of excuse, some may be legit but there's enough BS that I don't believe any of them. Being 'sick' seems to be a popular one this season, I put as much stock into their illness as I do those who called off work today 'sick'.Notre Dame guys all impress. - John Carlson most of all. I didn't realize that he was sick at both the Senior Bowl and Combine.
Sweed runs a 4.40 at the Texas pro day.
Colorado
Houston
Andy I've been trying to tell you guys that Sweed was far from slow. I've been following him since he was being recruited by Texas and he was pumping 4.3's at the time.Notre Dame guys all impress. - John Carlson most of all. I didn't realize that he was sick at both the Senior Bowl and Combine.
Sweed runs a 4.40 at the Texas pro day.
Colorado
Houston
I have learned my lesson on Sweed. I'm officially a believer.
how do you rank the WR's now?
By NFL potential as a starting WR...1. Limas Sweed 2. Devin Thomas 3. Malcolm Kelly 4. Mario Manningham 5. James Hardy 6. Earl Bennett 7. Early Doucet 8. Andre Caldwell 9. DeSean Jackson
I rather enjoyed the use of craven little wank.
The last QB that made me think he might be a little craven and wanky was Joey Harrington. He too had off the chart intangibles and leadership grades. His coaches spoke about him exactly the way Ryan's are talking now. He supposedly bested Carr with intangibles not physical ability. Carr went before him and I was a fan of his, but I always thought Joey was a poser. He said some brash things before he was drafted, not over the top, and the kind of things you want to hear, but they didn't match his play, imo. I get a little of that from Ryan (see the "IT" article in the print version of TSN if it isn't online). It's tough to say. I think it was Jurb who said Ryan is a cross between Pennington and Roethlisberger. I agreed 100%, and that is not a cross bound to fail. It could be a very solid NFL QB. That's a great physical comparison. Mentally, I get a cross between Harrington and Palmer. When Carson talked confidently and almost looked down on the process, you believed him because he was clearly willing to prove it in a pick up game if necessary. With Harrington you had a feeling he was posing a little. Ryan has some Joey on him, imo.Allthough I am high on Sweed I dont think he is the #1 wr in this class. But He is #2 behind Kelly regardless of how the media is trying to disregard Kelly he is the most physically gifted wr in this class.
I think to give it proper scale I'd bunch the top four really close together - they are all really close. I can't put my finger on why I'm not sold on Hardy.
the only thing I would change is switching Doucet and Manningham
I think thats a fair way to see it and to me I think that it depends on what style of wr you are looking for. For instance I could see if Buffalo doesnt take Kelly at 11 I could see Desean Jackson going ahead of him to a team like Tampa who would crave getting a fast/quick wr with return skills over a Tall rangey guy like Kelly since they have that guy already in Clayton/Stovall.
what if he took you out for dinner? maybe some flowers? opened the car door and that kind of thing?soundtrack
I'm not ready to call him Harrington 2.0. At least Ryan didn't get by on Tedford's "Quarterbacking for Dummies" playbook.It's just that Cutler and Vince Young both raised doubts about where they belonged in the draft, so they went out and took the extra steps to prove their worth. Ryan seems deathly afraid he's going to confirm all the doubts (and I know its probably his agent's advice) because he knows this draft class isn't strong. If I'm a GM with a top 10 pick, I just want to see some guts from him to meet some challenges head on - at least take some requests from scouts on his pro day.As someone who likes the Falcons he scares me. As the holder of 1.04 in a two-quarterback league he scares me.Re: Flacco... I know he played out of the shotgun all the time, but did his coaches let him read the whole field or was he Tedforded?And while I don't remember your call on Gerrard, I won't doubt it. You're wicked smawt.Chaos Commish said:
I don't know enough about Flacco. Just what I can pick up reading here and there and watching some highlights. It seems he takes a lot of sacks but has good mobility and a great arm. It sounds like Carr -- pocket presence issues, and they're not easy to correct. You either instinctively feel about to be clobbered and get out of there or you get clobbered. Thus, the Carr and 02 references.
Yeah, I loved Carr too.
One thing I like about Sweed is the confidence he has in himself. He attacks everything he does.
95% of the kids in his circumstance would not have run again. One mistake, one slip, on bad run and an A gets questioned. Sweed wasn't satisfied with an A, took the risk and turned it into an A+. His intangibles which have been called into question here are his biggest strength, and that says a lot for a 6-5 kid with 4 flat speed and the ability to make acrobatic catches deep down field.
I'll be shocked if he gets past the Bears.
I'll be shocked if that time is valid.Andy Dufresne said:Louisville had it's pro-day today and from early reports Brian Brohm was lights out.From another board:
I'll be shocked if he gets past the Bears.
Even if it is, who cares about a QB's straight line speed?I'll be shocked if that time is valid.Andy Dufresne said:Louisville had it's pro-day today and from early reports Brian Brohm was lights out.From another board:
I'll be shocked if he gets past the Bears.
NFL Network reports that it was actually a 4.61.Even if it is, who cares about a QB's straight line speed?I'll be shocked if that time is valid.Andy Dufresne said:Louisville had it's pro-day today and from early reports Brian Brohm was lights out.
From another board:
I'll be shocked if he gets past the Bears.
And somewhere, Al Davis' nose twitches.Charles Godfrey, CB - Iowa4.31/40 time today.
I think I read 37 franchises were there to see this kid workout. The CB depth has these guys pulling their hair out trying to decide who to take in the 2nd round.And somewhere, Al Davis' nose twitches.Charles Godfrey, CB - Iowa4.31/40 time today.
I think this drives his stock up. If he doesn't make it at QB, now they know they can try him as an HBack.Andy Dufresne said:NFL Network reports that it was actually a 4.61.Even if it is, who cares about a QB's straight line speed?I'll be shocked if that time is valid.Louisville had it's pro-day today and from early reports Brian Brohm was lights out.
From another board:
Did you mean 27? Or all 32?I think I read 37 franchises were there to see this kid workout. The CB depth has these guys pulling their hair out trying to decide who to take in the 2nd round.And somewhere, Al Davis' nose twitches.Charles Godfrey, CB - Iowa4.31/40 time today.
It's not as exciting as it should be. I'm pulling for Chevis Jackson to prove he can run better. He is very talented. Remember Brady Quinn publicly stated he wasn't going to challenge him, then when he did, he wished he didn't. Nice ball skills and super fluid hips for sticky coverage, just a little slow so far.Andy Dufresne said:LSU pro day today.
Isn't Dorsey supposed to do a full workout? If he can put to bed some of the health concerns, this may be a very important day, might change some mock drafts.It's not as exciting as it should be. I'm pulling for Chevis Jackson to prove he can run better. He is very talented. Remember Brady Quinn publicly stated he wasn't going to challenge him, then when he did, he wished he didn't. Nice ball skills and super fluid hips for sticky coverage, just a little slow so far.Andy Dufresne said:LSU pro day today.
There are several guys that should be working their asses off today - Dorsey, Doucet, and Highsmith especially.Isn't Dorsey supposed to do a full workout? If he can put to bed some of the health concerns, this may be a very important day, might change some mock drafts.It's not as exciting as it should be. I'm pulling for Chevis Jackson to prove he can run better. He is very talented. Remember Brady Quinn publicly stated he wasn't going to challenge him, then when he did, he wished he didn't. Nice ball skills and super fluid hips for sticky coverage, just a little slow so far.Andy Dufresne said:LSU pro day today.
Dorsey and Doucet are what they are. I'm not sure if a pro day can put to bed questions about Dorsey's heatlh, we already know what a great player he is, and I expect Doucet to be his usual very solid self. Highsmith, yes... he has to make up for the Combine. Send that young man some good vibes.There are several guys that should be working their asses off today - Dorsey, Doucet, and Highsmith especially.Isn't Dorsey supposed to do a full workout? If he can put to bed some of the health concerns, this may be a very important day, might change some mock drafts.It's not as exciting as it should be. I'm pulling for Chevis Jackson to prove he can run better. He is very talented. Remember Brady Quinn publicly stated he wasn't going to challenge him, then when he did, he wished he didn't. Nice ball skills and super fluid hips for sticky coverage, just a little slow so far.Andy Dufresne said:LSU pro day today.
4.63http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?...;ATCLID=1419052It's not as exciting as it should be. I'm pulling for Chevis Jackson to prove he can run better. He is very talented. Remember Brady Quinn publicly stated he wasn't going to challenge him, then when he did, he wished he didn't. Nice ball skills and super fluid hips for sticky coverage, just a little slow so far.Andy Dufresne said:LSU pro day today.
He ran a 4.74. 23 reps though.Doucet with a rather pedestrian 4.56.Steltz ran a 4.63 and a 4.19 shuttle with a 35" vertical. Not bad at all.
From what i've read about Early he is not burner but this is pretty slow. Was he expected to run faster?
That's a needed improvement. Shame Jackson doesn't have better wheels. Did Dorsey do anything? Doucet missed the Combine and now runs pedestrian. Bad year to do that. I could see a dozen WRs go before him and his two teammates from last year were both first rounders. I think he expected to be sub 4.5 and that would have helped, but he is often compared to Boldin for being strong and physical.
That link above has all the numbers for the guys that performed today.Dorsey:40yd - 5.14Bench - 27Shuttle - 4.953 Cone - 7.63Broad - 8'4"Vert - 25.5
Jackson is one of my favorite CBs in this class. He will be a steal for a team simply because of his 40 time. Having watched this guy play, he is ALWAYS in the hip pocket of his WR, never afraid to step up to the LOS and jam, has TERRIFIC feet, some of the best ball skills of any CB in the draft, a long and rangy frame and played in a very NFL friendly defense in college. 40 times are very overrated by the general public when it comes to CBs. It all starts with the feet and hips. Jackson is exceptional in both areas. There is no way he will go in the first round, but this guy is going to be a very solid NFL CB, though not a star.It's not as exciting as it should be. I'm pulling for Chevis Jackson to prove he can run better. He is very talented. Remember Brady Quinn publicly stated he wasn't going to challenge him, then when he did, he wished he didn't. Nice ball skills and super fluid hips for sticky coverage, just a little slow so far.Andy Dufresne said:LSU pro day today.
I really like him too, jurb. Very rarely do I describe a CB as fun to watch, but Chevis qualifies. So did Antonio Cromartie and Revis in the little time they played in college. I'm more concerned about the speed than you though. It's not even big WR speed, it's more like TE speed. I dunno. It will be interesting to follow. We can be sure he'll fall in the draft (my guess is round 5 or 6), so what he does after that is what will interest me.Jackson is one of my favorite CBs in this class. He will be a steal for a team simply because of his 40 time. Having watched this guy play, he is ALWAYS in the hip pocket of his WR, never afraid to step up to the LOS and jam, has TERRIFIC feet, some of the best ball skills of any CB in the draft, a long and rangy frame and played in a very NFL friendly defense in college. 40 times are very overrated by the general public when it comes to CBs. It all starts with the feet and hips. Jackson is exceptional in both areas. There is no way he will go in the first round, but this guy is going to be a very solid NFL CB, though not a star.It's not as exciting as it should be. I'm pulling for Chevis Jackson to prove he can run better. He is very talented. Remember Brady Quinn publicly stated he wasn't going to challenge him, then when he did, he wished he didn't. Nice ball skills and super fluid hips for sticky coverage, just a little slow so far.Andy Dufresne said:LSU pro day today.
The great thing about Jackson is that he is well prepared to play in any NFL scheme. His speed can certainly pose a large problem for him in man coverage schemes, which he excelled at in college, but he his feet, hips, size and instincts are all fantastic fits for cover 2 and other zone schemes. Schemes that minimize the importance of flat out speed at the position. Personally, I feel that Jackson (despite the speed issue) is one of the safest CBs in this class.BTW, I'm not so sure I can trust your judgment on these CBs if you were high on Revis....I really like him too, jurb. Very rarely do I describe a CB as fun to watch, but Chevis qualifies. So did Antonio Cromartie and Revis in the little time they played in college. I'm more concerned about the speed than you though. It's not even big WR speed, it's more like TE speed. I dunno. It will be interesting to follow. We can be sure he'll fall in the draft (my guess is round 5 or 6), so what he does after that is what will interest me.Jackson is one of my favorite CBs in this class. He will be a steal for a team simply because of his 40 time. Having watched this guy play, he is ALWAYS in the hip pocket of his WR, never afraid to step up to the LOS and jam, has TERRIFIC feet, some of the best ball skills of any CB in the draft, a long and rangy frame and played in a very NFL friendly defense in college. 40 times are very overrated by the general public when it comes to CBs. It all starts with the feet and hips. Jackson is exceptional in both areas. There is no way he will go in the first round, but this guy is going to be a very solid NFL CB, though not a star.It's not as exciting as it should be. I'm pulling for Chevis Jackson to prove he can run better. He is very talented. Remember Brady Quinn publicly stated he wasn't going to challenge him, then when he did, he wished he didn't. Nice ball skills and super fluid hips for sticky coverage, just a little slow so far.Andy Dufresne said:LSU pro day today.
