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Well, if it helps, the more I look at this class of corners the more I like it. Like WR, I'm not so sure of the top names; they're good, but not great. It's the depth that's really looking solid to me. You were right. I was wrong.BTW, I'm not so sure I can trust your judgment on these CBs if you were high on Revis....
Exactly! I definitely see this guy going to the Colts if he slips to the end of the 3rd, as I think he will.The great thing about Jackson is that he is well prepared to play in any NFL scheme. His speed can certainly pose a large problem for him in man coverage schemes, which he excelled at in college, but he his feet, hips, size and instincts are all fantastic fits for cover 2 and other zone schemes. Schemes that minimize the importance of flat out speed at the position. Personally, I feel that Jackson (despite the speed issue) is one of the safest CBs in this class.BTW, I'm not so sure I can trust your judgment on these CBs if you were high on Revis....I really like him too, jurb. Very rarely do I describe a CB as fun to watch, but Chevis qualifies. So did Antonio Cromartie and Revis in the little time they played in college. I'm more concerned about the speed than you though. It's not even big WR speed, it's more like TE speed. I dunno. It will be interesting to follow. We can be sure he'll fall in the draft (my guess is round 5 or 6), so what he does after that is what will interest me.Jackson is one of my favorite CBs in this class. He will be a steal for a team simply because of his 40 time. Having watched this guy play, he is ALWAYS in the hip pocket of his WR, never afraid to step up to the LOS and jam, has TERRIFIC feet, some of the best ball skills of any CB in the draft, a long and rangy frame and played in a very NFL friendly defense in college. 40 times are very overrated by the general public when it comes to CBs. It all starts with the feet and hips. Jackson is exceptional in both areas. There is no way he will go in the first round, but this guy is going to be a very solid NFL CB, though not a star.It's not as exciting as it should be. I'm pulling for Chevis Jackson to prove he can run better. He is very talented. Remember Brady Quinn publicly stated he wasn't going to challenge him, then when he did, he wished he didn't. Nice ball skills and super fluid hips for sticky coverage, just a little slow so far.Andy Dufresne said:LSU pro day today.
With the nice buzz I felt for McFadden fading, I would agree these are the top five players in the draft from a best available standpoint. All DLs and the dropoff in talent comes very quick and it's a long fall. That even boosts their value more.
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What about Early Doucet??Andy Dufresne said:
Thanks...I followed your first link and no Doucet.
Ran two 40's, both 4.5+, he was angry, so ran another one, and ran a 4.6 flat. No idea what else he did, but those numbers alone make it bad day.Too bad, I like him.
Not sure if were talking about the same one. I was referencing the first link posted....I probably just missed it.
Guys, how accurate is Gil Brandts pro day coverages from nfl.com usually if at all? He reports Sweed ran a 4.50 and a 4.51...http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true (see under March 19)Notre Dame guys all impress. - John Carlson most of all. I didn't realize that he was sick at both the Senior Bowl and Combine.
Sweed runs a 4.40 at the Texas pro day.
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This stuff is hand timed. The scouts on the track were in general agreement with the faster times initially reported, but you have to deal with these discrepancies every year. I've found seeking the quotes from articles is the best way to find the most agreed upon numbers and several of those had quotes, even from Sweed, about the improvement he made on the 4.5 from the Combine. If he ran slower he wouldn't have been so pleased with himself. Make sense? I hate to say it but I've found NFL.com's flagship coverage of the draft to be second rate for a few years now. I put some effort into exposing how bad the player profiles were a couple years ago, now I just take it all with a grain of salt. Local media is what I try to read. Quotes and reports from players, coaches, scouts and their bosses is what I seek.Guys, how accurate is Gil Brandts pro day coverages from nfl.com usually if at all? He reports Sweed ran a 4.50 and a 4.51...http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true (see under March 19)Notre Dame guys all impress. - John Carlson most of all. I didn't realize that he was sick at both the Senior Bowl and Combine.
Sweed runs a 4.40 at the Texas pro day.
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I have a hard time finding all the results from (preferably) one reliable source. Any suggestions as to where I should go?
I like this player. He's a better prospect than Okoye a year ago, but I don't think he's a better prospect than Ellis. It's possible these two DTs are the two best prospects in this draft. Period. If given a choice I would take the slightly bigger, leaner, stronger, more explosive Ellis.
You can put me in the catagory of not impressed with Simpson. Seems like a natural athlete but not a natural WR. He dropped alot of passes at the combine too. He seems just alittle too robotic.
I agree with you about Dorsey. I would be shocked if he doesn't go top three. He's the best player in this draft, bar none. Even when he played hurt he played like a solid 1st day prospect. When healthy, he's as good of a DT as there is....
Those are probably the most impressive numbers of an OL in this class. Bloom? Whatcha got?
Interesting to me is the Pats and Cowboys looking at Rivers -- must be some truth to the rumors he may end up on the inside.
Don't know much about Tyrell Johnson, but everything I hear sounds great. He was suspiciously high on the pic of the white board in the Cowboy's training room. I've liked a few more safeties than most all along, and I think this class is actually pretty interesting despite the consensus that it's weak and shallow. Counting a few corners who will likely convert, a few under the radar guys like this kid for Arkansas State, and what I think is too harsh a criticism of others... and it's not so bad.I know almost nothing about Swann from Wisconsin. Any Big 10 fans have an opinion? Construx? Bloom?
In his throwing shoulder? Kid can't catch a break.Same injury as Alex Smith, right?
Check that. I was quoting TFY and didn't check my own link.
Still an awful blow for him considering everything else.
Somebody (are you listening in Winter Park fellas?) should take a chance on him in the 5th or higher. He should not go undrafted.
Elsewhere others have reported a faster time for Rivers, 4.51, and a 42" vertical. Chauncey was known at SC as the only player to ever catch Reggie Bush from behind.
Chauncey has always reminded me a bit of another SC players, Fargas.
Keith Rivers in the opinion of a bunch of people I chatted with solidified himself as top 10 material. As you'll hear when the interviews post on the Audible, he didn't like his workout much, but Scouts were pretty happy with him from what I saw/heard.As with the UCLA pro day, a bunch of interviews and two 'group efforts' will post to the Audible over the next few days. Hoping to dissect it as a whole as well soon.
It's not a matter of believing you. Your guy or Sports Illustrated's guy could be write or both could be wrong. It's a Pro Day. Hand timed by a couple dozen different guys who report results to different outlets, and we're talking 100ths of seconds. If someone has a 4.35 at a Pro Day, someone else generally has a 4.32. They're pretty much the same -- fasty fast fast. I know the internal set up at TFY, and the information they post comes direct from from scouts in attendance, and it always differs from other information. No biggie. Chauncey is faster than most thought. That's the story. Someone paid to time it had a 4.32, someone else also paid to time it had a 4.35. What time did you have for Rivers?
My post came off as WAY more defensive than intended. It wasn't meant to be that - Sorry. I only meant to provide corroborating evidence to the 4.35.
Wasn't meant as anything else.Rivers - I (or rather the Scout I was standing with at the time) had a 4.50 and I believe a 4.55 - the announced time was indeed 4.51.
No worries. I wish I was there. I think the bigger and more important time discrepancy is Rivers. 4.50 is really cooking for him.My post came off as WAY more defensive than intended. It wasn't meant to be that - Sorry. I only meant to provide corroborating evidence to the 4.35.
Again, I'm sorry my post sounded defensive - it wasn't intended to be. I need to practice my emotive typing.....
Yeah it was pretty fast for him.I know the Scouts and media around me were floored and very impressed. One of them (media) turned to me and said 'that locks a top ten for him.No worries. I wish I was there. I think the bigger and more important time discrepancy is Rivers. 4.50 is really cooking for him.My post came off as WAY more defensive than intended. It wasn't meant to be that - Sorry. I only meant to provide corroborating evidence to the 4.35.Wasn't meant as anything else.Rivers - I (or rather the Scout I was standing with at the time) had a 4.50 and I believe a 4.55 - the announced time was indeed 4.51.
Again, I'm sorry my post sounded defensive - it wasn't intended to be. I need to practice my emotive typing.....
That's a good question. I'm one of the skeptics. They have two more first round LBs coming out next year so the question is warranted. And I wouldn't describe him as disappearing. It is the playmaking aspect you mention that falls short. He's steady. Most LBs rated this high have dominating performances. I can't recall one from him.
NoFBinLA, what was said about Baker and Rachal? I'm getting conflicting information saying their workouts were either solid or unimpressive.NoFBinLA said:Yeah it was pretty fast for him.I know the Scouts and media around me were floored and very impressed. One of them (media) turned to me and said 'that locks a top ten for him.Chaos Commish said:No worries. I wish I was there. I think the bigger and more important time discrepancy is Rivers. 4.50 is really cooking for him.NoFBinLA said:My post came off as WAY more defensive than intended. It wasn't meant to be that - Sorry. I only meant to provide corroborating evidence to the 4.35.Chaos Commish said:Wasn't meant as anything else.Rivers - I (or rather the Scout I was standing with at the time) had a 4.50 and I believe a 4.55 - the announced time was indeed 4.51.
Again, I'm sorry my post sounded defensive - it wasn't intended to be. I need to practice my emotive typing.....
All depends on how the earlier picks go, but I can't see him dropping past the Bengals or Saints now. Not after that time. He might not even make it that far.
Baker looked pretty good - I don't think he 'wowed' anyone in particular though he seemed to get good push in his drills. I'd say he had a solid workout, although I think he had hoped for more, from what he said to me.Then again Rivers told me he felt he didn't do the individual drills all that well and that was anything but the impression I got from the scouts I spoke with. I'm not saying he was the second coming or anything - just that a player can be his own harshest critics, even on Pro Day.But I think Baker did pretty well. He certainly left it all out there - he was blown by the time I met with him.Rachal looked fairly good too. Certainly not as much was expected of him (as opposed to expectations for Baker maybe), IMO, but what I think his drills went well.I guess though it depends on the expectations of the writer - a guy could have a solid workout but not be particularly impressive.Did they knock my socks off? No. Did they do good work? I think so.Now, to be honest, about 1/2 or 3/4 of the way through the Oline drills, the DLine drills began so most of us shifted over to watch Ellis, Rivers et al do their thing. So I missed the very end of their workout - when they were exhausted and tired and prone to be sloppy. I wanted to watch the Oline too, but couldn't pass up a look at Ellis and Rivers close up.So they could have tripped themselves up at the end of the drill and i missed it.IMO - I think Baker has the potential to be an outstanding lineman - I think he has the skills. Toughness is a queston mark from some scouts but he's a hard worker IMO. He has some room to improve, but I have long said his 'issues' or rather the perception of them - with the run game aren't as big as some say they are. Not to say he couldn't improve them, but I don't think he's tremendously far off. Rachal I like but I'm not sure of his prospects - I really think another year in the USC scheme would have really helped him solidify his skills. But he came out for family/financial reasons and there's nothing you can do about it. If a team can be patient - and if he can avoid injury problems he's had - he has alot of upside.
My own opinion - and I was meaning to respond to this yesterday - is that the D itself was dominating - it's hard to completely stand out amongst that LB crew.So I think at least in part, that's the answer.Now can he be a dominating LB in the Pros. I think so, but there's many a trip twixt a cup and a lip, as they say.(I dunno who THEY are......)
I love Dixon. If he rehabs well, he could emerge as a really good pro, IMO (saying that alot tonight).He was scary good at times.
Here is an article by Pauline stating his impression of Baker & Rachal's performance. He goes on to say about Baker "Scouts came away thinking he has little opportunity to play tackle in the NFL."Seems pretty harsh regarding Baker. This is the only report I've seen that rips him hard. Pauline makes it sound as if it was a consensus that Baker & Rachal stunk up the joint, but you and others seem to say the contrary.
Well a year ago a few mockers around here were projecting Baker to come out early and go very high in the first round. I explained his play didn't match his rep and he needed to stay in school. I got some heat for my lower opinions, but not much, and he did the right thing by staying in school. Sam is a decent technician, and he dominates anyone he can with above average nastiness, but he lacks the athletic chops to hold up against better competition. He got a lot of help from TEs and RBs the last couple of years where Carroll just left Winston Justice on an island. Justice has had a rough road, and was a harder worker and better athlete. Baker is very suspect at LT, probably could start at RT with some seasoning, and I agree, he could have a decent career as a guard if he continues to improve and get stronger. Has it occurred to anyone that Carroll is constantly criticized for being a poor coach but a great recruiter only because of the school he represents. Therefore he's only winning so much because he has great players; but then, those players keep hitting the NFL and not looking as good as expected? The list of apparently overdrafted Trojans is getting impressive. Carroll is a great coach.
While the rest of the article is full of puff and praise, this is not what you expect or need from a private choreographed workout. He'll get drafted, but probably not early enough for a team to have a lot invested.
I wonder what a team does with a guy like this. NFL Europe would have been perfect for this guy. I mean, you can give him a year or two on the PS, but he'll have to develop a lot on his own.
Since he's one of my favorite players in the draft, I'll go on a little. What I saw last year didn't match his play from the previous two years. It was one of the more remarkable transformations I've seen in a college QB who I had watched since the start. Others around here point out that he really only had one good season and even it was cut short. Prior to that he really struggled often in QBBC with Brady Leaf, and often just trying to figure out the position. At times he flashed the talent we saw last year, but rarely. Then as the story goes, he was drafted by the Atlanta Braves (iirc). He played Minor League ball last summer as soon as school was over. It was, according to a midseason anecdote I read, the transforming experience. He had to grow up. He saw the working world. He understood he was going to be on his own and had a great opportunity. He got very serious about football, which scouts from both sports understood to be his best chance.
No biggie.I'm intereted in Doucet too.
