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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This would be a fantastic signing as long as it doesn't lock them in long term - and with all the cap space available this year I don't even care if they "overpay" in 2014.
The Jets desperately need playmakers on offense and Johnson still has enough speed to break long runs and make defenses gamplan for him. The drastic difference in running styles between Ivory and Johnson will give opposing defenses much more to think about and Ivory punishing them for the first three quarters will soften them up for some big plays from Johnson late in the game. Both players will stay fresh splitting touches which is another added bonus.
Johnson would also be a nice weapon in the passing game.
rockaction
Footballguy
I saw a Brees game live back in '06(?)/('07?) and you've never, ever seen a quarterback look worse. They were playing the Raiders in SD, and he just looked...lost. Seen few things like it. And, I mean, the Raiders stunk that year. Just stunk. It's one of the weirdest sports transformations, Brees from Purdue stud, to utter dog#### with SD, to hero with NO within ten years. Unreal.
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Sammy B
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
265/742/3
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
Without knowing anything about the deal, I have to guess this was on the Jets' terms financially. They've stuck to the script pretty much all off-season and can't see them switching gears now. A tandem of CJ/Ivory should be pretty decent. If they can pick up another weapon or two at WR/TE, then maybe this offense will see some real improvement.
matttyl
Footballguy
Rotoworld seems to think it's the other way around....
Jets signed RB Chris Johnson, formerly of the Titans, to a two-year contract.
The Jets get their man. Gang Green was the only team really showing legitimate interest in the 28-year-old six-time 1,000-yard rusher. Johnson visited with the Jets all day on Tuesday and said he had more visits to make. Either the Jets wooed him with more money to keep him from leaving town or Johnson simply didn't have any other clubs interested in him. In our opinion, Chris Ivory should remain the early-down back in New York with Johnson mixing in to see 8-12 touches per game. Johnson's fantasy value clearly takes a hit, if so.
cstu
Footballguy
The Jets are a team that wants to run the ball 25+ times a game. Ivory is going to get his 10-15 carries a game, but CJ should be involved a lot in the passing game - something which Ivory will not. For the Jets, ideally both would get 10-15 carries. CJ could end up with only 200 carries but 50 catches. It's tough to count on many TD's but I expect mid-to-high RB2 numbers.
jurb26
Footballguy
Well, there is a reason most people think Rotoworld's opinion is worthless...
BroadwayG
Footballguy
Trent Richardson's numbers?What is that in reference to?fantasycurse42 said:
265/742/3
rockaction
Footballguy
Not a horrible contract, but why the hesitation on the corners? We had Ivory and Powell. I guess there's something I just don't get, as Jaworski just explained about stretching the edge with Vick or Smith.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
CJ0k 2014 campaignTrent Richardson's numbers?What is that in reference to?fantasycurse42 said:
265/742/3
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
So who is fantasy relevant in this offense? Decker a WR2/3? CJ a RB2?
Fariq
Footballguy
You would be easy to compete against in a fantasy league.CJ0k 2014 campaignTrent Richardson's numbers?What is that in reference to?fantasycurse42 said:
265/742/3
jurb26
Footballguy
Ivory is OK. I don't think he's better than CJ just yet and I don't think the Jets believe he is either. Otherwise, CJ wouldn't have gotten the best FA RB contract of anyone to come play for them.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Agree with this -- people seem to be forgetting that Johnson played with a torn meniscus all last year. Not that I expect 2009 Johnson to show back up, but the 2012 version is plenty good enough to put Ivory on the bench.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not sure which back is "better" because they are both so different - which is why I love the combo. Opposing defenses will need to prepare for two very different styles and with Ivory punding them and wearing them out, it will make better opportunities for CJ to break some big plays.
Those that constantly bring up how Ivory couldn't break away from Powell to take the feature role, are only looking at year end stats. Ivory missed most of training camp so Powell was the early season feture back but around mid-season Ivory took over the lead role and played pretty well.
I think Johnson is probably the better overall talent (a few years ago there'd be no question), but I do think this will be a pretty even timeshare based on the two very different skill sets.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Without disagreeing with your assessment on the two players, the fact the Jets paid Johnson well doesn't mean as much as you think. They desperatly needed playmakers and also needed RB depth - they have $32MM in cap space available so "overpaying" Johnson by a bit (based on the current landscape) was a luxury they could afford in order to ensure getting him to sign.
Banger
Footballguy
They need each other. Ivory hasn't yet in 4 years proven he can withstand the pounding of the NFL season so how can the Jets realistically count on him to do so? He's the battering ram (Lendale White) and Johnson can slash the defense when tired out. Also, with Vick back there it's another threat that the defense has to account for (similar to VY years back).
I'm not saying he'll come close to his crazy 2009 numbers but I think those dismissing him are gonna miss the boat.
Why are you assuming the 2012 version is going to show up again either? He apparently has arthritis in his knee, and the Jets are talking as if they want them to split.
Banger
Footballguy
do you have a link to anything from the team? I've read a lot of unfounded speculation from fantasy sights but nothing from the team....
Not from the team directly, but from beat writers covering the team. None of it is super reliable anyway, the Jets were talking up Ivory's "natural hands" and touting him as a top 10 RB last offseason. The arthritis stuff came from Schefter.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I think it's open to interpretation as to which player got the best contract. Gerhart got $4.5M in guaranteed money, while Johnson is essentially on a 1-year, $4M deal. Donald Brown is also getting $4M guaranteed this year (like Johnson), and gets a base salary of "only" $3M next year, so there's a good chance he gets all $7M. The Jets would have to pay Johnson $3.5M in salary in 2015 and a $500K roster bonus, which means he'll have to do more to convince the Jets to keep him than Brown will have to do to convince San Diego. So while CJ2K might have more upside than say, Gerhart or Brown, he has less security in this deal than I think either player.
Splitting hairs, perhaps, but I don't think we should point to Johnson's contract as anything special. It's in line with what Gerhart and Brown got, and nobody is predicting Brown to steal the RB1 job.
I expect a pretty even split between Johnson and Ivory, at least until one of them gets hurt. And I still wouldn't count out Powell or even Bohanon (when it comes to receptions) stealing some touches.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I also expect some sense of revival of the LenDale White/Johnson combo from Tennessee in one sense: when the Jets are winning, Ivory should get more playing time. When the Jets are trailing, I expect Johnson to. If you think the Jets are a below-average team, then Johnson probably has more value than Ivory. But if the Jets manage to control some games this year (see the Miami week 17 game where Powell had 21 carries, the Oakland game where Ivory had 18, Powell's 27-carry game against Buffalo, or Ivory's 34-carry game against NO), I could see Ivory being a good start.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
We'll revisit this at the end of the seasonYou would be easy to compete against in a fantasy league.CJ0k 2014 campaignTrent Richardson's numbers?What is that in reference to?
265/742/3
Fariq
Footballguy
The idea that he would have that many carries and so few yards is patently moronic.We'll revisit this at the end of the seasonYou would be easy to compete against in a fantasy league.CJ0k 2014 campaignTrent Richardson's numbers?What is that in reference to?
265/742/3
njherdfan
Footballguy
I think a lot of people are underrating Ivory. Last year he finished tied for 9th in the NFL at 4.6 YPC. That's very good, especially considering defenses consistently loaded up the box against the run. I think adding CJ should only help things, but I expect Ivory to continue to thrive in his role.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Ivory is a very good back. His running style means he's going to get nicked up, but he runs very hard, breaks tackles and finishes. I'm a big fan.
Glad CJ is on board (and I think his knee was a bit part of his dip last year) but I'm not ready to send Ivory to the bench just yet. IMO, its going to be an even split.
Fariq,The idea that he would have that many carries and so few yards is patently moronic.We'll revisit this at the end of the seasonYou would be easy to compete against in a fantasy league.CJ0k 2014 campaignTrent Richardson's numbers?What is that in reference to?
265/742/3
Please don't do this. If you disagree, that's awesome. Say you disagree and explain in detail why. But don't do what you did here. Thanks.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Maybe when Vick is on the field his YPC will be in the 4 range, but when Geno is the signal caller (& in his mid 30's I anticipate Vick being injured quite often) a YPC in the low 3's will not surprise one bit. His numbers will be ugly and having his first sub 1000 yard season will not surprise me one bit. I have no doubt he won't live up to his ADP.Fariq said:The idea that he would have that many carries and so few yards is patently moronic.fantasycurse42 said:We'll revisit this at the end of the seasonYou would be easy to compete against in a fantasy league.CJ0k 2014 campaignTrent Richardson's numbers?What is that in reference to?
265/742/3
zamboni
Footballguy
Me neither - not sure why people are assuming that Vick is coming in to start.
It's still think Geno's job to lose until he shows otherwise or gets hurt.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I agree that Geno will prob start, however I think he struggles & Vick comes in. He isn't their future IMO, just not a franchise QB. Vick obviously will get hurt and Geno comes back. It'll be musical chairs.
cstu
Footballguy
You can tell that after a rookie season with arguably the worst group of receivers in the league?
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I don't like how he looked out there. Obviously he was surrounded by garbage so not completely his fault.
Also hated how the second half of his WVU season played out and he had amazing talent around him there.
cstu
Footballguy
I agree with you there but I also think he was asked to do too much because of WVU's pathetic defense.
Not sold on him either way and I'm looking forward to seeing how he does with his new playmakers.
Hopefully now with a legitimate threat on the outside they can out of Kerley what he's capable of.
Fariq
Footballguy
First of all, 265 carries seems way too high. I think he will get 150-200 carries. Considering the rushing stats put up last year with a rookie QB and bad receiving corps, I can't envision the running attack being worse in 2014.Maybe when Vick is on the field his YPC will be in the 4 range, but when Geno is the signal caller (& in his mid 30's I anticipate Vick being injured quite often) a YPC in the low 3's will not surprise one bit. His numbers will be ugly and having his first sub 1000 yard season will not surprise me one bit. I have no doubt he won't live up to his ADP.Fariq said:The idea that he would have that many carries and so few yards is patently moronic.fantasycurse42 said:We'll revisit this at the end of the seasonYou would be easy to compete against in a fantasy league.CJ0k 2014 campaignTrent Richardson's numbers?What is that in reference to?
265/742/3
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Probably to get Seattle to either bite, or raise what they were offering him (i.e. meet him halfway). He would have been nice to have, but honestly, if the Jets were to pick up a Miles Austin (for example), it would have been practically the same thing (though Rice is a good deal younger).So why did he even bother with a visit?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Week Date Opp
1 9/7 vs. Oak W
2 9/14 @ GB L
3 9/22 vs. Chi W
4 9/28 vs. Det W
5 10/5 @ SD W
6 10/12 vs. Den L
7 10/16 @ NE L
8 10/26 vs. Buf W
9 11/2 @ KC L
10 11/9 vs. Pit L
11 Bye Week
12 11/23 @ Buf W
13 12/1 vs. Mia W
14 12/7 @ Min W
15 12/14 @ Ten W
16 12/21 vs. NE W
17 12/28 @ Mia L
It's obviously way too early to do this exercise, but it's fun to speculate even this early. I'm going with 10-6 for now. That may be overly optomistc considering a sweep of Buffalo is no gimme, and a loss to one of those NFC North teams at home is a real possibility - but I'll go with it for now.
1 9/7 vs. Oak W
2 9/14 @ GB L
3 9/22 vs. Chi W
4 9/28 vs. Det W
5 10/5 @ SD W
6 10/12 vs. Den L
7 10/16 @ NE L
8 10/26 vs. Buf W
9 11/2 @ KC L
10 11/9 vs. Pit L
11 Bye Week
12 11/23 @ Buf W
13 12/1 vs. Mia W
14 12/7 @ Min W
15 12/14 @ Ten W
16 12/21 vs. NE W
17 12/28 @ Mia L
It's obviously way too early to do this exercise, but it's fun to speculate even this early. I'm going with 10-6 for now. That may be overly optomistc considering a sweep of Buffalo is no gimme, and a loss to one of those NFC North teams at home is a real possibility - but I'll go with it for now.
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Reaper
Footballguy
The Key is (as always) STAY HEALTHY.....
They need to stay healthy and in position to rip off a bunch of wins out of those last 6 games...
MIA should / could be toast by the end and I think we take PITT at home this year.....
1st 7 games have insane offenses that scream to me DRAFT A CB...... I was never a fan of anyone named Cromartie so, I was never one of the fans crying or cursing Idzik last month... I'd have more faith in a rookie 1st round CB than either one....
I want to see one of these CB's in round 1 (If Ebron is not there) then the WR/TE adressed in the next few rounds.
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