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The vast majority of legislation won't impact these tragedies, but that doesn't stop the knee-jerkers from passing it to "Do SOMETHING" instead of addressing the real issues.
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Another school shooting (1 Viewer)
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CurlyNight
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This guys twitter feed isn't so out of the ordinary if you didn't know it would lead to today. Plenty of teens rant and make threats and such. Had he mentioned actual violence then that would be an eye opener.
lod01
Footballguy
I actually can't even remember anyone getting the paddle my senior year. I remember years earlier though just sitting in class near the principal's office and the echo in the hallway was like a gunshot. Now of course, they are in fact gunshots.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Way to go mom & dad! Effing idiots. At least the loser is dead & hopefully the others pull thru. Would he even sweeter if the dip s@@@ parents fry for this.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I wasn't saying the internet was the problem, I was saying that these have been happening regularly for many decades and we just didn't hear as much about them because there was no internet or 24 hour news channels.
They may happen slightly frequently now for a variety of reasons, but regular school shootings in the United States is not a new development.
TheIronSheik
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You'd think these stories would make kids think twice about bullying someone.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
the part of the brain that affects decision-making hasn't fully formed yet. They're walking, talking maroons.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
It's also a this won't happen to me, that is if they are even thinking. Today's event may deter bullying for a few days but then it'll be forgotten and it will continue.
lod01
Footballguy
You get what I mean. ####ification has assisted in the increase in these shootings by decade.Come on, dude.
timschochet
Footballguy
I believe in background checks, but they wouldn't have prevented this shooting. They won't prevent ANY of these terrible shootings. In fact, I don't think that any gun law would prevent a school shooting.
I ####### hate when this happens. How much would it cost us to have an armed guard at every public elementary school, middle school, and high school in this country? I'm thinking that's the direction to go.
And if we can't afford that, I'm thinking that maybe the NRA types are right; we ought to let teachers who want to carry guns in their classrooms to protect their students. I've never been for that before, in fact I thought it was a crazy idea, but- we have to stop this.
I ####### hate when this happens. How much would it cost us to have an armed guard at every public elementary school, middle school, and high school in this country? I'm thinking that's the direction to go.
And if we can't afford that, I'm thinking that maybe the NRA types are right; we ought to let teachers who want to carry guns in their classrooms to protect their students. I've never been for that before, in fact I thought it was a crazy idea, but- we have to stop this.
lod01
Footballguy
Hey. This latest is #100 for this decade!
Un####ing believable. In just 5 years, this decade has surpassed any other decade AND double the previous record of 48, last decade. So while shootings have been going on over the decades, it is getting far worse as the numbers project to a 4 fold increase over last decade with no end in sight.
Oops, counted wrong. Looks like 102 or so this decade so far and a new milestone in American History, 38 so far in 2014. That is more in one month than the decade of the 70s and the decade of the 80s.
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CurlyNight
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And it'll probably continue to get worse. You can't stop this, just do the best with security guards and such to help keep down the victims when this happens again.Hey. This latest is #100 for this decade!
Un####ing believable. In just 5 years, this decade has surpassed any other decade AND double the previous record of 48, last decade. So while shootings have been going on over the decades, it is getting far worse as the numbers project to a 4 fold increase over last decade with no end in sight.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I can't possibly imagine how an armed guard would prevent these. If we had one on every campus I think one of two things would probably happen in almost every case: (1) shooter evades attention of armed guard like the other students do thousands of times a day, proceeds to desired location, opens fire, armed guard is elsewhere and is helpless to prevent it; or (2) shooter shoots unsuspecting armed guard, proceeds to desired location, opens fire. Some low-wage guy who failed to meet the police academy entrance requirements isn't gonna magically transform into some combination of a Navy Seal and Wild Bill Hickock.
Teaches with guns in the classroom may be a fine idea in theory, but the program would be stopped as soon as there was a single negative incident- weapon ends up in the wrong hands, teacher gets overzealous and shoots when situation is unclear, angry/crazy teacher shoots fellow teacher who broke up with them, etc. When there's a crazy school shooter there's only really one person to blame. If a teacher is permitted to carry a weapon and something goes wrong everyone ends up getting skewered- the teacher, the school, the school district, the state or local government officials that authorized the program, etc. Within a year no teacher would have a gun in the classroom again.
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TheIronSheik
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timschochet
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I'm fairly serious that we should give serious consideration to this idea. Thoughts?
CurlyNight
Footballguy
You could still tick someone off who believes he doesn't deserve it and set him off!
timschochet
Footballguy
You may be right on both counts. But what else is there? Maybe we should at least try it. Maybe if the crazies know there are armed guards and armed teachers, that might deter some of them.
lod01
Footballguy
Or is so ####### stupid that he believes you are teasing him.You could still tick someone off who believes he doesn't deserve it and set him off!
El Floppo
Footballguy
stupid and/or hyper-sensitive. combined with the unformed decision making abilities =Or is so ####### stupid that he believes you are teasing him.You could still tick someone off who believes he doesn't deserve it and set him off!
ISinho- "Hi guy"
guy- "{{mother####ing ISinho is always mean to me}} ... hi."
Yankee23Fan
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Arming teachers is a bad idea. We have teachers who don't know that it is wrong to have sex with a student - these are not people that I trust to arm and fight like a security person.
If you want a real answer that is actually possible - you need to treat every single school building in the country like a federal courthouse, with only one entrance for the public, secure parking areas with armed guards and metal detectors and wand scans of all people entering the building, give each student, teacher and parent a photo ID that is absolutely required to enter, and it would probably help to require uniforms so that different style clothes can't hide certain things easier than others.
lod01
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CurlyNight
Footballguy
Now they say 3 students shot in the head, all in critical condition. Wow. :( And 2 are dead.
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TheIronSheik
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Or try to have a civilized discussion on Ebola.Or is so ####### stupid that he believes you are teasing him.You could still tick someone off who believes he doesn't deserve it and set him off!
timschochet
Footballguy
This might make sense as well. How much would it cost? However much, maybe it's worth it. I hate the idea that my kids should feel like they're entering a danger zone when they go to school, but...maybe we need to do this.
TheIronSheik
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ISinho? I know I should be able to figure it out, but I'm nonplussed here.stupid and/or hyper-sensitive. combined with the unformed decision making abilities =Or is so ####### stupid that he believes you are teasing him.You could still tick someone off who believes he doesn't deserve it and set him off!
ISinho- "Hi guy"
guy- "{{mother####ing ISinho is always mean to me}} ... hi."
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Did they have an armed guard on campus?
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Entry salary for a federal marshall is in the 40's I think. The security station is probably another 40 grand. Locking down all entry points for security purposes is probably a few million. Installing a perimeter security system around each building or campus of a public school is easily another few million. I'd be willing to bet you are looking at about 5-10 million per school plus operating expenses of another couple hundred thousand per school. New Jersey has more school districts than it does municipalties so in new jersey alone you are easily looking something in the neighborhood of 6-10 billion dollars if you only have one school campus in each district - which you don't.
So, to do that is easily hundreds of billions. Easily.
lod01
Footballguy
It's gotta be quite costly. It's either that or my plan. However my plan probably costs more and would take about a decade or so to bring down the # of shootings. But it would fix the problem instead of trying to just defend against it.
I'd first have to be named the US School Shooting Czar. Then I would fix the problem.
lod01
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah OK. Obviously that will never happen. Any other ideas? I've got nothing.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Cite?You get what I mean. ####ification has assisted in the increase in these shootings by decade.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
So you think that will reduce the number of school shootings or simply reduce the number of casualties?
njherdfan
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I have a ton of ideas. Some Constitutional some not.
How about this:
Students are not allowed to bring anything into the school. Anything. Make them wear uniforms right down to the same kind of shoes. All go through a security checkpoint entering the building through metal detectors and wands. There would be no books or papers coming home - everything would either have to be electronic or there isn't any homework. That way, you eliminate all backpacks and lockers. Books and papers for each class are kept in that class and are not allowed to be removed except by the teacher who is grading. Literally the children bring nothing and take nothing into the school. All food is given to them there. They are not allowed to leave the campus once there unless it is a medical emergency or a parent picks them up - and they are not allowed to return.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
I'm going to go out on a limb and say this will do noting to prevent lunatics from coming onto campus.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I'm not quite sure why the rest of this would be necessary once you force all students through security checkpoints with metal detectors and wands.
lod01
Footballguy
Did you want an ' imo ' at the end of the statement? Why do you thing there are 100+ school shootings in less than 5 years this decade when there were less in the whole decade of the 1970s than there were in 2014 by itself?Cite?You get what I mean. ####ification has assisted in the increase in these shootings by decade.
There's only a few possible reason. One of them, of course, is that the average human is dumber than ever.
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Limp Ditka
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Well this occurred to me two times:
- in NO a few years back we had some shootings at high schools, not mad lone gunman type shootings, but gang, youth violence stuff. They put some cops at schools and that ended that.
- At Sandy Hook the little coward killer offed himself almost as soon as the cops showed up.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
True. They won't be armed though.
Frankly my unconstitutional ideas would work better. But that's the problem.
lod01
Footballguy
Correct. They will just not show up on time and come in blasting like the loser up in New England.
lod01
Footballguy
Ok Mr Genius, so what is your reason, for the massive increase in school shootings?
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
lod01
Footballguy
Ah, yes, the typo reply. Case closed on you big fella.
Average humans really is dumber than ever. Thanks Studs.
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