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Scratch Ireland off the "places to visit" list (1 Viewer)

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Minn. tourist detained in Dublin, strip searched, refused medical care
by Shelby Capacio - emailPosted: Jun 12, 2014 11:02 PM CDTUpdated: Jun 13, 2014 3:00 AM CDT
MINNEAPOLIS (KMSP) -She intended to spend 90 days in Ireland and explore a romance that crosses national borders, but family members say immigration officials in Dublin did the unthinkable: They imprisoned her.

The Minnesota woman's mother has been in close contact with Fox 9 News, and she explained that the stunning, days-long ordeal began when her daughter made an off-the-cuff remark about how she would like to talk with chefs in Ireland about future work opportunities during her visit. At that point, Irish authorities apparently refused her entry on the grounds that she would burden the state by poaching an Irish job despite the fact that she had a return ticket as well as a home and a job waiting for her in Minneapolis.

IMMIGRATION OFFICIAL REFUSED DOCUMENTS

The woman's parents allege that even though their daughter produced documentation to show she planned a temporary stay in the country, immigration officials refused to look at them. Worse still, the family says they also took other items she needed.

After arriving in Dublin at 5:30 a.m. IST on Wednesday, officials restricted her ability to communicate with loved ones or the man who was set to meet her at the airport. While she was isolated, family members say she had little information or food despite recently concluding a 20-hour trip. Instead, loved ones say she was forced to sit in a noisy airport hallway while hungry and was not allowed to get her luggage in order to retrieve medicine for a growing migraine headache.

The woman had checked her medicine at the direction of airport officials, and repeatedly asked to see a doctor upon arrival -- but family members say she was refused medical care for hours until someone walked by, gave her a pill and refused to identify it.

TOO ILL TO FLY, BUT AMBULANCE CANCELED

Eventually, the woman was able to convince someone to call an ambulance for her because she had thrown up several times and was now dizzy, constantly nauseous and feared she was becoming dehydrated. Once the immigration supervisor found out, however, the call was CANCELED and paramedics were turned away while officials hurled verbal abuse at the woman, the woman's mother relayed.

In an e-mail sent to Fox 9 News, family members claim the immigration supervisor told the tourist she was a "lying criminal," accused her of "making stuff up" and threatened to charge her with a crime. Authorities then tried to put her on a flight back home, but family members say the flight attendants would not allow her to board because it was visibly apparent that she was too ill to make the trip.

Yet, even though she was barred from a flight due to her condition, family members say immigrations still would not allow her to see a doctor. Instead, they sent her to prison.

TOURIST STRIP SEARCHED, COMMUNICATION BLOCKED

Family members tell Fox 9 News that after the woman was turned away by the flight crew, immigration officials took away her phone, iPad and other personal belongings before transporting her to a jail cell she would share with a sex worker who was also vomiting overnight.

The woman's mother said the officials at the facility initially told her that a private room had been designated for her daughter -- but once the two got back in contact, her daughter said that simply wasn't the case. Her parents were shocked again when the tourist told them she had been strip searched "a couple of times."

Additionally, family members say immigration officials instructed the woman to remove her prescription medications from their bottles before heading to the lock-up -- but once she arrived, officials took the medicines away because they weren't in their proper containers.

All the while, family members say they were scrambling to determine what had happened to the woman and ultimately had to turn to Google to find out who to call.

"I hope that if you must ever Google 'prison' with your child in mind that you don't hit the websites that popped up for me," her mother wrote.

Initially, the woman's father and mother were able to speak with her -- but they said the same was not true the following day.

"She sounded flat and sad and exhausted and, well, awful," the tourist's mother said. "Broke my heart, but I wanted to hear her voice. I called this morning, but they wouldn't let me talk to her."

In fact, the woman told her family that she was yelled at after her father called from Minnesota, and was told she could only speak for 6 minutes a day.

AMERICAN EMBASSY CANNOT INTERFERE

Although the family tried to reach out to the American Embassy for help, they had difficulty reaching someone by phone and were told via e-mail that American representatives could do little on their behalf.

"Unfortunately the U.S. Embassy cannot intervene in immigration matters, decided by the Irish authorities, just as the Irish Embassy in Washington, D.C., cannot influence U.S. immigration decisions made by border control officers at U.S. ports of entry," the reply from the embassy read in part.

Embassy representatives did contact the detention facility where the woman was being held to advocate that they provide her with medical care, but family members say they were also unsuccessful in swaying Irish authorities.

The woman's mother confirmed that a nurse did "look at her" and offered pain medications that neither worked nor suited her needs, eventually telling the woman to try a "cup of good Irish tea." The tourist told her family that each cell contained a small kettle, tea bags and milk.

CARRY-ON CONFISCATED, LUGGAGE LIKELY LOST

After spending a night in a cell, family members say the woman was further abused by immigration officials when she returned to the airport and the very same supervisor who shouted at her before said, "If you aren't feeling better today, it's back to jail for you."

The tourist told her parents that before returning to the airport, she had asked to have her personal belongings returned to her -- including her carry-on bag and medications. Family members say prison officials told her the items had been sent to the airport, but when she asked for them after arriving, she was berated by the supervisor who allegedly demanded, "Did you even ask for them?"

The woman's mother explained that her daughter's baggage claim information had also been taken, and she was later told her luggage had gone missing and she would need to receive a form from the pilot. Family members say she never received one, and that meant she was put on a plane to Toronto without her driver's license and without any money. After she boarded, a staff member from the detention facility provided the flight crew with her possessions, leaving her family in the dark for an additional 7 hours.

FAMILY RETAINS SOLICITOR IN DUBLIN

Any immigration conflict is a permanent part of any traveler's record, and the family hopes to file complaints and ultimately reverse the decision that they say horrified U.S. customs agents in Toronto who asked for the details.

Family members have already retained a solicitor in Dublin who has already contacted the Irish authorities involved in the ordeal, and the woman's parents are clearly upset that a woman who has never been charged with a crime would face such punitive treatment.

"If you don't want to admit her to your country, fine. You get to make your rules, but you don't have the right to take away her personal property, her luggage and carry-on, her medication, her phone, her access to medical care, her ability to call an ambulance for herself, and control her ability to communicate with the outside world -- all without bothering to inform anyone in her family of what you did or where she is," her mother wrote on Facebook.

Fox 9 News can confirm that the woman returned to Minneapolis on Thursday night and is now in the company of her family.
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Small people with power. Someone should take the supervisor out back and introduce some sense into them over and over again until it takes.

 
I've been to Canada twice. I said please and thank you and they never gave me an ounce of trouble.

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
gotta secure the borders

ireland does not want undocumented chefs coming in and stealing their jobs

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
gotta secure the borders

ireland does not want undocumented chefs coming in and stealing their jobs
undocumented chefs are a big problem in Ireland.

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
Trust me I've been one of the biggest critics of the TSA, and I'm not saying this didn't or couldn't happen, but it's actually also possible it didn't. I'd like to see some more information on this before I form any conclusions.

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
gotta secure the borders

ireland does not want undocumented chefs coming in and stealing their jobs
undocumented chefs are a big problem in Ireland.
every yankee that comes over thinks if he can pour a Guinness and boil potatoes he is a chef

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
Trust me I've been one of the biggest critics of the TSA, and I'm not saying this didn't or couldn't happen, but it's actually also possible it didn't. I'd like to see some more information on this before I form any conclusions.
Sure it's always possible she made up this incredibly intricate lie. But I'm going with Occam here.

 
It probably happens more often in our own airports. Don't get cute with authorities in other countries. Ireland still on the list.

 
Scratched Ireland off the list a number of years ago. Been once, not looking to come back. Nice people though

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
Trust me I've been one of the biggest critics of the TSA, and I'm not saying this didn't or couldn't happen, but it's actually also possible it didn't. I'd like to see some more information on this before I form any conclusions.
Sure it's always possible she made up this incredibly intricate lie. But I'm going with Occam here.
You mean Hakeem?

 
"Why are you here in Canada?"

"To visit the Molson brewery, take in a Leafs game, and walk in some nice parks."

"Proceed."

Simple.

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
Trust me I've been one of the biggest critics of the TSA, and I'm not saying this didn't or couldn't happen, but it's actually also possible it didn't. I'd like to see some more information on this before I form any conclusions.
Sure it's always possible she made up this incredibly intricate lie. But I'm going with Occam here.
The story seems a bit overboard. I'm sure she went through a rough and unfair treatment. But I can easily see this woman being a spoiled American who reality-TV upped the drama to make a point and get revenge for not having potatoes and whiskey offered to her throne.

 
Ah yes now we are to the blame the victim portion of our game. Pay attention fortunes can change quickly in this round.

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
Trust me I've been one of the biggest critics of the TSA, and I'm not saying this didn't or couldn't happen, but it's actually also possible it didn't. I'd like to see some more information on this before I form any conclusions.
Sure it's always possible she made up this incredibly intricate lie. But I'm going with Occam here.
The story seems a bit overboard. I'm sure she went through a rough and unfair treatment. But I can easily see this woman being a spoiled American who reality-TV upped the drama to make a point and get revenge for not having potatoes and whiskey offered to her throne.
Yes she put herself in prison and then refused to talk to her parents. She tried to put herself on a plane when she was so visibly sick they wouldn't let her on and sent herself to jail. Evil little vixen.

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
Trust me I've been one of the biggest critics of the TSA, and I'm not saying this didn't or couldn't happen, but it's actually also possible it didn't. I'd like to see some more information on this before I form any conclusions.
Sure it's always possible she made up this incredibly intricate lie. But I'm going with Occam here.
The story seems a bit overboard. I'm sure she went through a rough and unfair treatment. But I can easily see this woman being a spoiled American who reality-TV upped the drama to make a point and get revenge for not having potatoes and whiskey offered to her throne.
Yes she put herself in prison and then refused to talk to her parents. She tried to put herself on a plane when she was so visibly sick they wouldn't let her on and sent herself to jail. Evil little vixen.
"Rough and unfair treatment" just blew right by your emotional register, didn't it?

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
Trust me I've been one of the biggest critics of the TSA, and I'm not saying this didn't or couldn't happen, but it's actually also possible it didn't. I'd like to see some more information on this before I form any conclusions.
Sure it's always possible she made up this incredibly intricate lie. But I'm going with Occam here.
The story seems a bit overboard. I'm sure she went through a rough and unfair treatment. But I can easily see this woman being a spoiled American who reality-TV upped the drama to make a point and get revenge for not having potatoes and whiskey offered to her throne.
Yes she put herself in prison and then refused to talk to her parents. She tried to put herself on a plane when she was so visibly sick they wouldn't let her on and sent herself to jail. Evil little vixen.
"Rough and unfair treatment" just blew right by your emotional register, didn't it?
No but do you remember this part:

being a spoiled American who reality-TV upped the drama to make a point and get revenge for not having potatoes and whiskey offered to her throne.
See I read everything you wrote. My bad.

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
Trust me I've been one of the biggest critics of the TSA, and I'm not saying this didn't or couldn't happen, but it's actually also possible it didn't. I'd like to see some more information on this before I form any conclusions.
Sure it's always possible she made up this incredibly intricate lie. But I'm going with Occam here.
The story seems a bit overboard. I'm sure she went through a rough and unfair treatment. But I can easily see this woman being a spoiled American who reality-TV upped the drama to make a point and get revenge for not having potatoes and whiskey offered to her throne.
Yes she put herself in prison and then refused to talk to her parents. She tried to put herself on a plane when she was so visibly sick they wouldn't let her on and sent herself to jail. Evil little vixen.
I don't think any of us are arguing that she went through some ####.

My contention is that it's very rarely as cut and dry as "I said I wanted to look at future work opportunities...that's it, and then they did all this to me." I actually think your Occam point is probably more applicable to there being more to this story than to her story being true. People aren't usually thrown in jail for just visiting to look at work opportunities.

I could see her saying that, and it evolving into a discussion, about that or something else, which ultimately led to some contention. A person with a tiny bit of power decided to exercise it to prove a point, and it evolved to this...but I highly doubt she made JUST that comment and nothing more. Not saying she wasn't provoked, etc.

As a case in point, when we entered Ireland last fall, the immigration official we saw told us a story about an argument he got into with someone who didn't put down a banana on their carried food items. He explained to them that they needed to put down a banana. The traveler argued that it didn't have seeds. The immigration guy said that he told them that "anything with nutritional value needed to be put on the card." The traveler then responded, "Well, my magazine has nutritional value if I were to eat it. Do I need to put that down?" THIS is the kind of smart@## comments that get people in trouble. If this example had ended up with the traveler in jail, I could totally see them saying, "I was thrown in jail for accidentally not putting a banana on my customs card. I simply forgot."

 
In the mid-90s a friend of mine was living in London with her husband while he was there on a 6-month work visa. She made the same mistake (admitting she might look for work) coming back into the country after T'giving and was deported on the spot. Literally put on the next plane back to the U.S. and told not to come back.

 
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Minn. tourist detained in Dublin, strip searched, refused medical careby Shelby Capacio - emailPosted: Jun 12, 2014 11:02 PM CDTUpdated: Jun 13, 2014 3:00 AM CDT


MINNEAPOLIS (KMSP) - She intended to spend 90 days in Ireland and explore a romance that crosses national borders... officials restricted her ability to communicate with loved ones or the man who was set to meet her at the airport.Family members tell Fox 9 News that after the woman was turned away by the flight crew, immigration officials took away her phone, iPad and other personal belongings before transporting her to a jail cell she would share with a sex worker who was also vomiting overnight.

She had been strip searched "a couple of times."

Additionally, family members say immigration officials instructed the woman to remove her prescription medications from their bottles before heading to the lock-up

Any immigration conflict is a permanent part of any traveler's record, and the family hopes to file complaints and ultimately reverse the decision that they say horrified U.S. customs agents in Toronto who asked for the details.
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Sounds like an unhinged woman - note the multiple prescription drugs - who went to Ireland only to learn she had been stood up/catfished.

Note the weird sexual stuff about being put in a cell with a sex worker, and being strip searched repeated times. Really?

Also, are there U.S. Customs agents in Toronto? There might be, I don't know, but it seems weird they would be in another country.

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
Trust me I've been one of the biggest critics of the TSA, and I'm not saying this didn't or couldn't happen, but it's actually also possible it didn't. I'd like to see some more information on this before I form any conclusions.
Sure it's always possible she made up this incredibly intricate lie. But I'm going with Occam here.
The story seems a bit overboard. I'm sure she went through a rough and unfair treatment. But I can easily see this woman being a spoiled American who reality-TV upped the drama to make a point and get revenge for not having potatoes and whiskey offered to her throne.
Yes she put herself in prison and then refused to talk to her parents. She tried to put herself on a plane when she was so visibly sick they wouldn't let her on and sent herself to jail. Evil little vixen.
I don't think any of us are arguing that she went through some ####.

My contention is that it's very rarely as cut and dry as "I said I wanted to look at future work opportunities...that's it, and then they did all this to me." I actually think your Occam point is probably more applicable to there being more to this story than to her story being true. People aren't usually thrown in jail for just visiting to look at work opportunities.

I could see her saying that, and it evolving into a discussion, about that or something else, which ultimately led to some contention. A person with a tiny bit of power decided to exercise it to prove a point, and it evolved to this...but I highly doubt she made JUST that comment and nothing more. Not saying she wasn't provoked, etc.

As a case in point, when we entered Ireland last fall, the immigration official we saw told us a story about an argument he got into with someone who didn't put down a banana on their carried food items. He explained to them that they needed to put down a banana. The traveler argued that it didn't have seeds. The immigration guy said that he told them that "anything with nutritional value needed to be put on the card." The traveler then responded, "Well, my magazine has nutritional value if I were to eat it. Do I need to put that down?" THIS is the kind of smart@## comments that get people in trouble. If this example had ended up with the traveler in jail, I could totally see them saying, "I was thrown in jail for accidentally not putting a banana on my customs card. I simply forgot."
Exactly. The part about being detained is easy to believe. The part about being detained based on saying she'd like to become a chef there is hard to believe.

 
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Minn. tourist detained in Dublin, strip searched, refused medical careby Shelby Capacio - emailPosted: Jun 12, 2014 11:02 PM CDTUpdated: Jun 13, 2014 3:00 AM CDT


MINNEAPOLIS (KMSP) - She intended to spend 90 days in Ireland and explore a romance that crosses national borders... officials restricted her ability to communicate with loved ones or the man who was set to meet her at the airport.Family members tell Fox 9 News that after the woman was turned away by the flight crew, immigration officials took away her phone, iPad and other personal belongings before transporting her to a jail cell she would share with a sex worker who was also vomiting overnight.

She had been strip searched "a couple of times."

Additionally, family members say immigration officials instructed the woman to remove her prescription medications from their bottles before heading to the lock-up

Any immigration conflict is a permanent part of any traveler's record, and the family hopes to file complaints and ultimately reverse the decision that they say horrified U.S. customs agents in Toronto who asked for the details.
:eek:
Sounds like an unhinged woman - note the multiple prescription drugs - who went to Ireland only to learn she had been stood up/catfished.

Note the weird sexual stuff about being put in a cell with a sex worker, and being strip searched repeated times. Really?

Also, are there U.S. Customs agents in Toronto? There might be, I don't know, but it seems weird they would be in another country.
Yes, you clear US customs in Toronto when coming to the US from Toronto.

 
I love all the no way comments. Do you people even pay attention to what happens in our own airports? Toddlers strip searched? Old ladies made to remove their diapers? People held in rooms for hours with no reason or explanation? You guys may need to get out more.
Trust me I've been one of the biggest critics of the TSA, and I'm not saying this didn't or couldn't happen, but it's actually also possible it didn't. I'd like to see some more information on this before I form any conclusions.
Sure it's always possible she made up this incredibly intricate lie. But I'm going with Occam here.
The story seems a bit overboard. I'm sure she went through a rough and unfair treatment. But I can easily see this woman being a spoiled American who reality-TV upped the drama to make a point and get revenge for not having potatoes and whiskey offered to her throne.
Yes she put herself in prison and then refused to talk to her parents. She tried to put herself on a plane when she was so visibly sick they wouldn't let her on and sent herself to jail. Evil little vixen.
Obviously we have no idea what really happened but this reminds me of a girl I know who generally acts like a total jerk to people in public and escalates things way beyond where they need to be, then tells a story where she was being a polite little southern belle the whole time and "I just don't understand why he was being so mean to me, *tear*".

I mean, what's more likely here, that a dozen people were individually complete ###holes to her for no reason at all or that she was sassy, indignant, and rude enough to a dozen different people to bring out the ###hole in them and then embelished her story beyond reason?

I'm not saying this stuff didn't happen, I'm just saying that I'm not taking it at one person's word when I've seen these stories twisted by certain types of people plenty of times. It's possible that everyone was a #### to her for no reason, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she has a new story every week where she's the unluckiest person in the world whom everyone is mean to for no reason.

 

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