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notdarkyet

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Couple of questions for the pool:

1. Are you guys more prone to avoid week 1 waiver pickups in order to gain better priority for the next week?

2. Do you look at the waiver wire in a simlar fashion to drafting with VBD? By that I mean do you take the best value regardless of position, or do you take the best player at a position of need?

1. Historically I like to wait on making WW pickups past the first week. This allows me to gain WW priority while other people overreact to a small sample of data. I figure I spent a good deal of time during the off-season making decisions on who to draft, not sure why I would throw away all that time after a single week of surprise or disappointment. All of those players rushing to pick up the flavor of the week are possibly dropping players that you would have coveted two weeks ago and can snag yourself. Are there exceptions? Of course, injuries in week one that dramatically change someone's playing time are a possible exception, but I think typically if you stay away from someone having a "hot week 1" you will be better off in the long run.

2. Unless I am in a desperate situation at a position (injury for the most part) I will typically target the BPA. Worst case scenario that BPA will become trade bait down the road. I will also take into consideration teams with positional weakness, sometimes snagging the best value at that position.

What does the Shark Pool have to say? Any thoughts or other strategies to add?

 
'notdarkyet said:
Couple of questions for the pool:1. Are you guys more prone to avoid week 1 waiver pickups in order to gain better priority for the next week?2. Do you look at the waiver wire in a simlar fashion to drafting with VBD? By that I mean do you take the best value regardless of position, or do you take the best player at a position of need? 1. Historically I like to wait on making WW pickups past the first week. This allows me to gain WW priority while other people overreact to a small sample of data. I figure I spent a good deal of time during the off-season making decisions on who to draft, not sure why I would throw away all that time after a single week of surprise or disappointment. All of those players rushing to pick up the flavor of the week are possibly dropping players that you would have coveted two weeks ago and can snag yourself. Are there exceptions? Of course, injuries in week one that dramatically change someone's playing time are a possible exception, but I think typically if you stay away from someone having a "hot week 1" you will be better off in the long run. 2. Unless I am in a desperate situation at a position (injury for the most part) I will typically target the BPA. Worst case scenario that BPA will become trade bait down the road. I will also take into consideration teams with positional weakness, sometimes snagging the best value at that position.What does the Shark Pool have to say? Any thoughts or other strategies to add?
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I think more and more leagues are moving away from rolling priority and toward Blind bid waivers or resetting waiver priority every week. :shrug:
 
If I could add a question......

How do you rank the WRs and TEs for leagues that count them the same?

One league I'm in starts 4 "receivers" (WRs or TEs) and it's non-PPR but has long distance bonuses.

I think I'm ranking them.....

1. Hernandez

2. Cobb

3. Dickson

4. DHB

5. Chandler

6. Gresham

7. Gibson

TIA :popcorn:

 
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'dagwood said:
'notdarkyet said:
Couple of questions for the pool:1. Are you guys more prone to avoid week 1 waiver pickups in order to gain better priority for the next week?2. Do you look at the waiver wire in a simlar fashion to drafting with VBD? By that I mean do you take the best value regardless of position, or do you take the best player at a position of need? 1. Historically I like to wait on making WW pickups past the first week. This allows me to gain WW priority while other people overreact to a small sample of data. I figure I spent a good deal of time during the off-season making decisions on who to draft, not sure why I would throw away all that time after a single week of surprise or disappointment. All of those players rushing to pick up the flavor of the week are possibly dropping players that you would have coveted two weeks ago and can snag yourself. Are there exceptions? Of course, injuries in week one that dramatically change someone's playing time are a possible exception, but I think typically if you stay away from someone having a "hot week 1" you will be better off in the long run. 2. Unless I am in a desperate situation at a position (injury for the most part) I will typically target the BPA. Worst case scenario that BPA will become trade bait down the road. I will also take into consideration teams with positional weakness, sometimes snagging the best value at that position.What does the Shark Pool have to say? Any thoughts or other strategies to add?
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I think more and more leagues are moving away from rolling priority and toward Blind bid waivers or resetting waiver priority every week. :shrug:
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My main money league still has rolling priority, :shrug:
 
'Scrappy Doo said:
'dagwood said:
'notdarkyet said:
Couple of questions for the pool:1. Are you guys more prone to avoid week 1 waiver pickups in order to gain better priority for the next week?2. Do you look at the waiver wire in a simlar fashion to drafting with VBD? By that I mean do you take the best value regardless of position, or do you take the best player at a position of need? 1. Historically I like to wait on making WW pickups past the first week. This allows me to gain WW priority while other people overreact to a small sample of data. I figure I spent a good deal of time during the off-season making decisions on who to draft, not sure why I would throw away all that time after a single week of surprise or disappointment. All of those players rushing to pick up the flavor of the week are possibly dropping players that you would have coveted two weeks ago and can snag yourself. Are there exceptions? Of course, injuries in week one that dramatically change someone's playing time are a possible exception, but I think typically if you stay away from someone having a "hot week 1" you will be better off in the long run. 2. Unless I am in a desperate situation at a position (injury for the most part) I will typically target the BPA. Worst case scenario that BPA will become trade bait down the road. I will also take into consideration teams with positional weakness, sometimes snagging the best value at that position.What does the Shark Pool have to say? Any thoughts or other strategies to add?
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I think more and more leagues are moving away from rolling priority and toward Blind bid waivers or resetting waiver priority every week. :shrug:
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My main money league still has rolling priority, :shrug:
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some people still use dial up internet. :shrug:The trend is moving away from your format. Doesn't me everyone has adopted it.
 
depends on who is available -

In my league I have position 8 (waiver position doesnt reset weekly) but there is no one available worth grabbing - so I will wait for my position to get better in the coming weeks . . .

 
'Scrappy Doo said:
'dagwood said:
'notdarkyet said:
Couple of questions for the pool:1. Are you guys more prone to avoid week 1 waiver pickups in order to gain better priority for the next week?2. Do you look at the waiver wire in a simlar fashion to drafting with VBD? By that I mean do you take the best value regardless of position, or do you take the best player at a position of need? 1. Historically I like to wait on making WW pickups past the first week. This allows me to gain WW priority while other people overreact to a small sample of data. I figure I spent a good deal of time during the off-season making decisions on who to draft, not sure why I would throw away all that time after a single week of surprise or disappointment. All of those players rushing to pick up the flavor of the week are possibly dropping players that you would have coveted two weeks ago and can snag yourself. Are there exceptions? Of course, injuries in week one that dramatically change someone's playing time are a possible exception, but I think typically if you stay away from someone having a "hot week 1" you will be better off in the long run. 2. Unless I am in a desperate situation at a position (injury for the most part) I will typically target the BPA. Worst case scenario that BPA will become trade bait down the road. I will also take into consideration teams with positional weakness, sometimes snagging the best value at that position.What does the Shark Pool have to say? Any thoughts or other strategies to add?
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I think more and more leagues are moving away from rolling priority and toward Blind bid waivers or resetting waiver priority every week. :shrug:
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My main money league still has rolling priority, :shrug:
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It depends on your waiver position if you are 1 - 4 than you should probably wait for a player that is going to make a big difference immediately and hopefully the rest of the season. Beyond the 4th spot ... pick all you want because by the time you make it to the 1st spot there usually isn't a significant pickup for the rest of the year
 
'dagwood said:
some people still use dial up internet. :shrug:The trend is moving away from your format. Doesn't me everyone has adopted it.
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I strongly reject your analogy. Weekly reset is far more primitive than a continuously rolling list. Weekly reset simply removes strategy from waiver claims entirely, since they have absolutely no cost.
 
'Johnny Blood said:
'dagwood said:
some people still use dial up internet. :shrug:The trend is moving away from your format. Doesn't me everyone has adopted it.
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I strongly reject your analogy. Weekly reset is far more primitive than a continuously rolling list. Weekly reset simply removes strategy from waiver claims entirely, since they have absolutely no cost.
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That's false. There is still strategy under weekly reset.Case in point -- I have 7th priority this week and lost Nate Kaeding. I'm not going to put in a waiver claim for Kaeding's replacement. Instead I'm going to save my priority in case someone makes a rash decision and drops someone I (and lots of other leaguemates) would be happy to add. When waivers run a day later for the dropped guys, I'll be higher up the ladder.Meanwhile I'll pick up a replacement for Kaeding from the free agent pool after the first round of waiver claims is over.
 
Point taken. It only removes a large chunk of the strategy.

There still is no cost to burning a waiver claim at some point in the week, but you're absolutely right that you can engage in the kind of trade-offs you just described. (Though I wouldn't have picked a kicker to make your point. The idea of burning a waiver claim on a kicker makes me ill.) :)

 
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Blind bidding is a much better/fairer option if available (like it is in MFL Leagues)....

You shouldn't be "penalized" for winning in Week 1 or reward poor drafting IMO.

Everyone gets the same shot at the same players & there is still a lot of strategy involved in deciding how much to bid & how much to save for later weeks.

 
There's still a "wait-it-out" strategy involved using Free Agent Aquisition Budget (FAAB) systems. If everyone starts with the same pool and everyone else blows cash in the first week, those who sit tight are in a better position to outbid those big spenders starting in Week 2. You could consider that somewhat equivalent to having a "higher" waiver position, and waiting to see how weeks 2+ shake out can provide favorable results later in the year.

I'm sure Brandon Jackson and Jason Snelling "winners" last year wish they had their wads of cash back later in the season. Obviously, hindsight is 20/20, and in leagues where Foster wasn't drafted last year, he provided proof for the counter-argument. But if someone isn't convinced that there's a "can't miss" WW pickup or that there isn't enough "proof" after week 1 to sink a lot of money in someone, they CAN position themselves favorably later by simply doing nothing week 1 while everyone else spends.

 
I'm gonna blow my #2 priority on Newton this week even though I have Romo at QB. I'll try to trade Newton for an upgrade at WR. In the past I felt I held on to a high priority for too long passing on potential upgrades to make a "big slash" later in the season... (that may never happen)

 
'Johnny Blood said:
Point taken. It only removes a large chunk of the strategy.There still is no cost to burning a waiver claim at some point in the week, but you're absolutely right that you can engage in the kind of trade-offs you just described. (Though I wouldn't have picked a kicker to make your point. The idea of burning a waiver claim on a kicker makes me ill.) :)
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If you are talking preference; I am a huge fan of Blind Bid waivers. That is the fairest and allowes for more diverse strategies as well. I was just commenting that the rolling waivers used to be the standard but more and more leagues seem to be moving away from that.
 
'Coach3K said:
There's still a "wait-it-out" strategy involved using Free Agent Aquisition Budget (FAAB) systems. If everyone starts with the same pool and everyone else blows cash in the first week, those who sit tight are in a better position to outbid those big spenders starting in Week 2. You could consider that somewhat equivalent to having a "higher" waiver position, and waiting to see how weeks 2+ shake out can provide favorable results later in the year.I'm sure Brandon Jackson and Jason Snelling "winners" last year wish they had their wads of cash back later in the season. Obviously, hindsight is 20/20, and in leagues where Foster wasn't drafted last year, he provided proof for the counter-argument. But if someone isn't convinced that there's a "can't miss" WW pickup or that there isn't enough "proof" after week 1 to sink a lot of money in someone, they CAN position themselves favorably later by simply doing nothing week 1 while everyone else spends.
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Some do.Some blow it all early.Some save it until the end.All depends on your strategy and your team needs. If you lose Foster to a knee injury and Tate is on the WW, you can go get him as opposed to having the person sitting at WW1 position grab him.
 
'dagwood said:
'Johnny Blood said:
Point taken. It only removes a large chunk of the strategy.There still is no cost to burning a waiver claim at some point in the week, but you're absolutely right that you can engage in the kind of trade-offs you just described. (Though I wouldn't have picked a kicker to make your point. The idea of burning a waiver claim on a kicker makes me ill.) :)
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If you are talking preference; I am a huge fan of Blind Bid waivers. That is the fairest and allowes for more diverse strategies as well. I was just commenting that the rolling waivers used to be the standard but more and more leagues seem to be moving away from that.
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agreed. my main money league implemented this system 4 years ago and it works great.
 
I wait, unless there is someone special that I think I need. This week, I'm putting claims for Cam Newton in two leagues...right now, I think he's about the only guy that I think is a "must have".

 
'Fighting Noles said:
Blind bidding is a much better/fairer option if available (like it is in MFL Leagues)....You shouldn't be "penalized" for winning in Week 1 or reward poor drafting IMO.Everyone gets the same shot at the same players & there is still a lot of strategy involved in deciding how much to bid & how much to save for later weeks.
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Ours starts reverse draft order and rolls from there. Only "penalty" is against getting top drafting priority.
 
'dagwood said:
'Scrappy Doo said:
'dagwood said:
'notdarkyet said:
Couple of questions for the pool:1. Are you guys more prone to avoid week 1 waiver pickups in order to gain better priority for the next week?2. Do you look at the waiver wire in a simlar fashion to drafting with VBD? By that I mean do you take the best value regardless of position, or do you take the best player at a position of need? 1. Historically I like to wait on making WW pickups past the first week. This allows me to gain WW priority while other people overreact to a small sample of data. I figure I spent a good deal of time during the off-season making decisions on who to draft, not sure why I would throw away all that time after a single week of surprise or disappointment. All of those players rushing to pick up the flavor of the week are possibly dropping players that you would have coveted two weeks ago and can snag yourself. Are there exceptions? Of course, injuries in week one that dramatically change someone's playing time are a possible exception, but I think typically if you stay away from someone having a "hot week 1" you will be better off in the long run. 2. Unless I am in a desperate situation at a position (injury for the most part) I will typically target the BPA. Worst case scenario that BPA will become trade bait down the road. I will also take into consideration teams with positional weakness, sometimes snagging the best value at that position.What does the Shark Pool have to say? Any thoughts or other strategies to add?
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I think more and more leagues are moving away from rolling priority and toward Blind bid waivers or resetting waiver priority every week. :shrug:
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My main money league still has rolling priority, :shrug:
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some people still use dial up internet. :shrug:The trend is moving away from your format. Doesn't me everyone has adopted it.
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We just switched from a worst to first rest every week TO a rolling priority a couple years ago. I thought the rolling/usage waiver order was the "new" thing... :unsure:ETA: Our order is based off first week, than from there if you use a wiver claim you move to the bottom. If 2 guys make a claim they move to the bottom but flip their prior rank.So if a guy was #1 and #2 in the waivers and they use it. #1 becomes #12 and #2 becomes #11 in a 12 man league.We then do first come first serve between wiavers run and Sunday kickoff wihtou affecting waiver order.Plus only 2 pickups allowed a week :shrug:
 
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'belljr said:
'dagwood said:
'Scrappy Doo said:
'dagwood said:
'notdarkyet said:
Couple of questions for the pool:

1. Are you guys more prone to avoid week 1 waiver pickups in order to gain better priority for the next week?

2. Do you look at the waiver wire in a simlar fashion to drafting with VBD? By that I mean do you take the best value regardless of position, or do you take the best player at a position of need?

1. Historically I like to wait on making WW pickups past the first week. This allows me to gain WW priority while other people overreact to a small sample of data. I figure I spent a good deal of time during the off-season making decisions on who to draft, not sure why I would throw away all that time after a single week of surprise or disappointment. All of those players rushing to pick up the flavor of the week are possibly dropping players that you would have coveted two weeks ago and can snag yourself. Are there exceptions? Of course, injuries in week one that dramatically change someone's playing time are a possible exception, but I think typically if you stay away from someone having a "hot week 1" you will be better off in the long run.

2. Unless I am in a desperate situation at a position (injury for the most part) I will typically target the BPA. Worst case scenario that BPA will become trade bait down the road. I will also take into consideration teams with positional weakness, sometimes snagging the best value at that position.

What does the Shark Pool have to say? Any thoughts or other strategies to add?
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I think more and more leagues are moving away from rolling priority and toward Blind bid waivers or resetting waiver priority every week. :shrug:
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My main money league still has rolling priority, :shrug:
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some people still use dial up internet. :shrug: The trend is moving away from your format. Doesn't me everyone has adopted it.
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We just switched from a worst to first rest every week TO a rolling priority a couple years ago. I thought the rolling/usage waiver order was the "new" thing... :unsure: ETA: Our order is based off first week, than from there if you use a wiver claim you move to the bottom. If 2 guys make a claim they move to the bottom but flip their prior rank.

So if a guy was #1 and #2 in the waivers and they use it. #1 becomes #12 and #2 becomes #11 in a 12 man league.

We then do first come first serve between wiavers run and Sunday kickoff wihtou affecting waiver order.

Plus only 2 pickups allowed a week :shrug:
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Nope.You all just switched from DSL to Dial Up.

:shrug:

 
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