Gay marriage (2 Viewers)

Eminence said:

Scoresman said:

Eminence said:

Scoresman said:

Eminence said:

Let them get married, don't let them have kids. If you want to disagree with me, that's fine. But in my opinion, if you want to have babies, go out and make them the traditional way. Is it fair? Nope. Is it fair that I will never have the physique to be a basketball star? Nope, but there's some things in life you simply have to deal with...

This whole gay vs straight thing is pretty much the indoctrination of a new culture. With the existing culture questioning whether or not it has the right to tell people "how" to live. However, I am under the assumption that the more the homosexual population increases the more people they are going to "recruit" so-to-speak. I also feel that homosexuality is as much conditional as it is hereditary, there's a definite correlation with young boys who grew up without a strong father figure; instead taking after their mothers.

Is it OK for people to go for the same sex? Sure, make whatever life decisions you want. However, I don't think we should be actively advocating people to go against mother nature. Our current social norms have been developed by having children raised by a Mom and Dad. That's nature's grand design or at least the design that has allowed human beings to survive millions of years of evolution and get us to the point where we are today. I'd like for the human race to remain as "normal" and "to nature" as possible.

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Gay people can't have babies. The babies they raise are still made the way mother nature intended.

Unless you're against adoption entirely, which is a very weird stance.

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I don't want to imply that I am for any type of social engineering. But I feel that children raised by two members of the same sex won't exactly fit in perfectly with a society of people raised by two members of the opposite sex.1/2 mother's intuition.

1/2 father's tough love.

I am big on keeping the family unit alive in America.

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How so? What will be wrong with them? You know studies have been done proving you wrong.

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Oh, come on man. We inherit our parents personalities. I act like a medley of my mother and father.

How do you think a little boy who grows up with two daddys is going to act? Probably much different than if he had been adopted by a heterosexual couple.

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jason12vb said:

Henry Ford said:

Eminence said:

Henry Ford said:

Eminence said:

Maurile Tremblay said:

Eminence said:

I have tolerance for your views, you have none for mine.

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So when you wrote "Let them get married, don't let them have kids," that was you being tolerant?

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As tolerant as those calling me a bigot, yeah. If two guys want to go at it like animals, they have that right.

I do feel that a same sex couple is at risk of effecting a child in ways they wouldn't if they had a traditional family.

I don't have facts, just intuition. I am willing to read any data that goes against my argument.

Let's make this a learning experience.

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An article about the preliminary report from the world's largest same-sex parenting study: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/tick-for-samesex-families-20130605-2npxf.html

National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study: http://www.nllfs.org/

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http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study-on-homosexual-parents-tops-all-previous-research

There are eight outcome variables where differences between the children of homosexual parents and married parents were not only present, and favorable to the married parents, but where these findings were statistically significant for both children of lesbian mothers and "gay" fathers and both with and without controls. While all the findings in the study are important, these are the strongest possible ones--virtually irrefutable. Compared with children raised by their married biological parents (IBF), children of homosexual parents (LM and GF):

• Are much more likely to have received welfare (IBF 17%; LM 69%; GF 57%)
• Have lower educational attainment
• Report less safety and security in their family of origin
• Report more ongoing "negative impact" from their family of origin
• Are more likely to suffer from depression
• Have been arrested more often
• If they are female, have had more sexual partners--both male and female

The high mathematical standard of "statistical significance" was more difficult to reach for the children of "gay fathers" in this study because there were fewer of them. The following, however, are some additional areas in which the children of lesbian mothers (who represented 71% of all the children with homosexual parents in this study) differed from the IBF children, in ways that were statistically significant in both a direct comparison and with controls. Children of lesbian mothers:

• Are more likely to be currently cohabiting
• Are almost 4 times more likely to be currently on public assistance
• Are less likely to be currently employed full-time
• Are more than 3 times more likely to be unemployed
• Are nearly 4 times more likely to identify as something other than entirely heterosexual
• Are 3 times as likely to have had an affair while married or cohabiting
• Are an astonishing 10 times more likely to have been "touched sexually by a parent or other adult caregiver."
• Are nearly 4 times as likely to have been "physically forced" to have sex against their will
• Are more likely to have "attachment" problems related to the ability to depend on others
• Use marijuana more frequently
• Smoke more frequently
• Watch TV for long periods more frequently
• Have more often pled guilty to a non-minor offense

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That study has been crushed, the person who did it discredited, and even anti-gay-marriage and -adoption activists are distancing themselves from him.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/04/10/utah_gay_marriage_opponents_drop_mark_regnerus_debunked_study.html

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Aside from the whole credible thing...why compare kids being raised with their biological parents to kids being adopted in the first place? What would those numbers have been for kids adopted by a Male and Female..I suspect they would have been troubling as well? Why not compare adoption by M/F vs adoption by same sex?

Pretty easy to find stats and studies to back up any view one may have...it's a little tougher to find credible ones that actually attempt to compare similar scenarios.

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Psychopav said:

jason12vb said:

Aside from the whole credible thing...why compare kids being raised with their biological parents to kids being adopted in the first place? What would those numbers have been for kids adopted by a Male and Female..I suspect they would have been troubling as well? Why not compare adoption by M/F vs adoption by same sex?


Pretty easy to find stats and studies to back up any view one may have...it's a little tougher to find credible ones that actually attempt to compare similar scenarios.

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Like the world's largest study on same sex parenting which relies entirely on a survey to draw its conclusions?

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Henry Ford said:

Psychopav said:

jason12vb said:

Aside from the whole credible thing...why compare kids being raised with their biological parents to kids being adopted in the first place? What would those numbers have been for kids adopted by a Male and Female..I suspect they would have been troubling as well? Why not compare adoption by M/F vs adoption by same sex?


Pretty easy to find stats and studies to back up any view one may have...it's a little tougher to find credible ones that actually attempt to compare similar scenarios.

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Like the world's largest study on same sex parenting which relies entirely on a survey to draw its conclusions?

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I guess we could assign someone to each family to just follow the kid around all day for a year or two.

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Psychopav said:

Henry Ford said:

Psychopav said:

jason12vb said:

Aside from the whole credible thing...why compare kids being raised with their biological parents to kids being adopted in the first place? What would those numbers have been for kids adopted by a Male and Female..I suspect they would have been troubling as well? Why not compare adoption by M/F vs adoption by same sex?


Pretty easy to find stats and studies to back up any view one may have...it's a little tougher to find credible ones that actually attempt to compare similar scenarios.

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Like the world's largest study on same sex parenting which relies entirely on a survey to draw its conclusions?

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I guess we could assign someone to each family to just follow the kid around all day for a year or two.

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I'm just saying...does anyone else find it a little odd that the number one "study" referenced in support of this position is a survey of 500 people? I bet we could come up with a lot of examples of conclusions we could draw from surveys that wouldn't necessarily be all that valid.

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Psychopav said:

Henry Ford said:

Psychopav said:

jason12vb said:

Aside from the whole credible thing...why compare kids being raised with their biological parents to kids being adopted in the first place? What would those numbers have been for kids adopted by a Male and Female..I suspect they would have been troubling as well? Why not compare adoption by M/F vs adoption by same sex?


Pretty easy to find stats and studies to back up any view one may have...it's a little tougher to find credible ones that actually attempt to compare similar scenarios.

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Like the world's largest study on same sex parenting which relies entirely on a survey to draw its conclusions?

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I guess we could assign someone to each family to just follow the kid around all day for a year or two.

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I'm just saying...does anyone else find it a little odd that the number one "study" referenced in support of this position is a survey of 500 people? I bet we could come up with a lot of examples of conclusions we could draw from surveys that wouldn't necessarily be all that valid.

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matuski said:

Just the worst schtick ever. Flat out bad.

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Bubba said:

If anyone who is against has a non-religious reason, kindly enlighten me.

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Chaka said:

matuski said:

Just the worst schtick ever. Flat out bad.

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We gotta set up the Eminence v johnjohn epic bad shtick throw down and jamboree.

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Eminence said:

I think of it similar to abortion and religion, there's no cut + dry right / wrong.

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Maurile Tremblay said:

Eminence said:

I think of it similar to abortion and religion, there's no cut + dry right / wrong.

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There may be cut-and-dried answers to abortion and religion as well; maybe we just haven't discovered them yet.

You could have said the same thing about slavery 160 years ago, and marriage equality for most of the past decade -- although I think that boat is leaving the harbor as we speak.

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jon_mx said:

Maurile Tremblay said:

Eminence said:

I think of it similar to abortion and religion, there's no cut + dry right / wrong.

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There may be cut-and-dried answers to abortion and religion as well; maybe we just haven't discovered them yet.You could have said the same thing about slavery 160 years ago, and marriage equality for most of the past decade -- although I think that boat is leaving the harbor as we speak.

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Comparing the issue of slavery to gay marriage is very hyperbolic. You can actually believe term marriage means a man and a woman, and not being against gays having comparable rights. That is a far far far far cry from slavery.

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jon_mx said:

Maurile Tremblay said:

Eminence said:

I think of it similar to abortion and religion, there's no cut + dry right / wrong.

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There may be cut-and-dried answers to abortion and religion as well; maybe we just haven't discovered them yet.You could have said the same thing about slavery 160 years ago, and marriage equality for most of the past decade -- although I think that boat is leaving the harbor as we speak.

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Comparing the issue of slavery to gay marriage is very hyperbolic. You can actually believe term marriage means a man and a woman, and not being against gays having comparable rights. That is a far far far far cry from slavery.

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timschochet said:

jon_mx said:

Maurile Tremblay said:

Eminence said:

I think of it similar to abortion and religion, there's no cut + dry right / wrong.

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There may be cut-and-dried answers to abortion and religion as well; maybe we just haven't discovered them yet.You could have said the same thing about slavery 160 years ago, and marriage equality for most of the past decade -- although I think that boat is leaving the harbor as we speak.

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Comparing the issue of slavery to gay marriage is very hyperbolic. You can actually believe term marriage means a man and a woman, and not being against gays having comparable rights. That is a far far far far cry from slavery.

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Excellent job of completely missing the point he was trying to make.

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Eminence said:

I don't want to imply that I am for any type of social engineering. But I feel that children raised by two members of the same sex won't exactly fit in perfectly with a society of people raised by two members of the opposite sex.1/2 mother's intuition.

1/2 father's tough love.

I am big on keeping the family unit alive in America.

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jon_mx said:

timschochet said:

jon_mx said:

Maurile Tremblay said:

Eminence said:

I think of it similar to abortion and religion, there's no cut + dry right / wrong.

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There may be cut-and-dried answers to abortion and religion as well; maybe we just haven't discovered them yet.You could have said the same thing about slavery 160 years ago, and marriage equality for most of the past decade -- although I think that boat is leaving the harbor as we speak.

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Comparing the issue of slavery to gay marriage is very hyperbolic. You can actually believe term marriage means a man and a woman, and not being against gays having comparable rights. That is a far far far far cry from slavery.

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Excellent job of completely missing the point he was trying to make.

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Thanks. Now go wander around Compton.

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timschochet said:

jon_mx said:

timschochet said:

jon_mx said:

Maurile Tremblay said:

Eminence said:

I think of it similar to abortion and religion, there's no cut + dry right / wrong.

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There may be cut-and-dried answers to abortion and religion as well; maybe we just haven't discovered them yet.You could have said the same thing about slavery 160 years ago, and marriage equality for most of the past decade -- although I think that boat is leaving the harbor as we speak.

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Comparing the issue of slavery to gay marriage is very hyperbolic. You can actually believe term marriage means a man and a woman, and not being against gays having comparable rights. That is a far far far far cry from slavery.

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Excellent job of completely missing the point he was trying to make.

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Thanks. Now go wander around Compton.

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Already back. Very frustrating/ I'm looking for a restaurant site for a major chain (I can't say what it is but trust me you've heard of it) but I just can't find the right corner.

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Eminence said:

It's sad that me wanting a child to have a traditional mom and dad makes me a bad person.

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Eminence said:

When can I have multiple wives? Can I marry a 13 year old now? I'm sure studies would show there would be little or minimum negative impact on both these things.

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Eminence said:

Lol @ people calling this schtick. Why would this thread even exist if there weren't people who opposed the idea of gay marriage?

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timschochet said:

Eminence said:

Scoresman said:

Eminence said:

Scoresman said:

Eminence said:

Let them get married, don't let them have kids. If you want to disagree with me, that's fine. But in my opinion, if you want to have babies, go out and make them the traditional way. Is it fair? Nope. Is it fair that I will never have the physique to be a basketball star? Nope, but there's some things in life you simply have to deal with...

This whole gay vs straight thing is pretty much the indoctrination of a new culture. With the existing culture questioning whether or not it has the right to tell people "how" to live. However, I am under the assumption that the more the homosexual population increases the more people they are going to "recruit" so-to-speak. I also feel that homosexuality is as much conditional as it is hereditary, there's a definite correlation with young boys who grew up without a strong father figure; instead taking after their mothers.

Is it OK for people to go for the same sex? Sure, make whatever life decisions you want. However, I don't think we should be actively advocating people to go against mother nature. Our current social norms have been developed by having children raised by a Mom and Dad. That's nature's grand design or at least the design that has allowed human beings to survive millions of years of evolution and get us to the point where we are today. I'd like for the human race to remain as "normal" and "to nature" as possible.

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Gay people can't have babies. The babies they raise are still made the way mother nature intended.

Unless you're against adoption entirely, which is a very weird stance.

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I don't want to imply that I am for any type of social engineering. But I feel that children raised by two members of the same sex won't exactly fit in perfectly with a society of people raised by two members of the opposite sex.1/2 mother's intuition.

1/2 father's tough love.

I am big on keeping the family unit alive in America.

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How so? What will be wrong with them? You know studies have been done proving you wrong.

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Oh, come on man. We inherit our parents personalities. I act like a medley of my mother and father.

How do you think a little boy who grows up with two daddys is going to act? Probably much different than if he had been adopted by a heterosexual couple.

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If you're trying to sell us on the superiority of two heterosexual parents, this might not be the best example to use. Just saying.

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proninja said:

joffer said:

Nevada GOP dropped opposition to gay marriage from heir part platform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/nevada-gop-platform_n_5147862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Wow. That surprises me.

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proninja said:

timschochet said:

proninja said:

joffer said:

Nevada GOP dropped opposition to gay marriage from heir part platform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/nevada-gop-platform_n_5147862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Wow. That surprises me.

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They also voted to remove opposition to abortion. That surprises me even more. In fact, it shocks me.

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You and me both. My guess is it doesn't last. Republicans don't have supporters without opposition to abortion.

edit: well, they probably do. Like 18 of them.

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proninja said:

Henry Ford said:

proninja said:

timschochet said:

proninja said:

joffer said:

Nevada GOP dropped opposition to gay marriage from heir part platform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/nevada-gop-platform_n_5147862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Wow. That surprises me.

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They also voted to remove opposition to abortion. That surprises me even more. In fact, it shocks me.

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You and me both. My guess is it doesn't last. Republicans don't have supporters without opposition to abortion.

edit: well, they probably do. Like 18 of them.

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It'd possible that someone realized that a platform opposing Supreme Court precedent that isn't going anywhere is stupid.

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Who is going to vote for them if they aren't against gay marriage and abortion?

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proninja said:

Henry Ford said:

proninja said:

timschochet said:

proninja said:

joffer said:

Nevada GOP dropped opposition to gay marriage from heir part platform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/nevada-gop-platform_n_5147862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Wow. That surprises me.

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They also voted to remove opposition to abortion. That surprises me even more. In fact, it shocks me.

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You and me both. My guess is it doesn't last. Republicans don't have supporters without opposition to abortion.

edit: well, they probably do. Like 18 of them.

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It'd possible that someone realized that a platform opposing Supreme Court precedent that isn't going anywhere is stupid.

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Who is going to vote for them if they aren't against gay marriage and abortion?

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proninja said:

Henry Ford said:

proninja said:

timschochet said:

proninja said:

joffer said:

Nevada GOP dropped opposition to gay marriage from heir part platform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/nevada-gop-platform_n_5147862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Wow. That surprises me.

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They also voted to remove opposition to abortion. That surprises me even more. In fact, it shocks me.

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You and me both. My guess is it doesn't last. Republicans don't have supporters without opposition to abortion.

edit: well, they probably do. Like 18 of them.

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It'd possible that someone realized that a platform opposing Supreme Court precedent that isn't going anywhere is stupid.

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Who is going to vote for them if they aren't against gay marriage and abortion?

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Thorn said:

proninja said:

Henry Ford said:

proninja said:

timschochet said:

proninja said:

joffer said:

Nevada GOP dropped opposition to gay marriage from heir part platform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/nevada-gop-platform_n_5147862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Wow. That surprises me.

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They also voted to remove opposition to abortion. That surprises me even more. In fact, it shocks me.

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You and me both. My guess is it doesn't last. Republicans don't have supporters without opposition to abortion.

edit: well, they probably do. Like 18 of them.

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It'd possible that someone realized that a platform opposing Supreme Court precedent that isn't going anywhere is stupid.

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Who is going to vote for them if they aren't against gay marriage and abortion?

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Better question might be who are the anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage types going to vote for? Certainly not Dems.

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proninja said:

Who is going to vote for them if they aren't against gay marriage and abortion?

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Henry Ford said:

proninja said:

timschochet said:

proninja said:

joffer said:

Nevada GOP dropped opposition to gay marriage from heir part platform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/nevada-gop-platform_n_5147862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Wow. That surprises me.

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They also voted to remove opposition to abortion. That surprises me even more. In fact, it shocks me.

Click to expand...

You and me both. My guess is it doesn't last. Republicans don't have supporters without opposition to abortion.

edit: well, they probably do. Like 18 of them.

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It'd possible that someone realized that a platform opposing Supreme Court precedent that isn't going anywhere is stupid.

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Kenny Powers said:

Did my taxes today on HR Block. When I got to the state portion (Virginia), there was a little info thing you could click on for new changes in 2013. I clicked for the details and one of the changes was if "youre in a gay marriage and want to file jointly follow another link/click here for help"...So I guess even though youre married, since youre gay you still have to do extra things just to file jointly.

I guess no surprise we're still making things difficult for the gays

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rockaction said:

Henry Ford said:

proninja said:

timschochet said:

proninja said:

joffer said:

Nevada GOP dropped opposition to gay marriage from heir part platform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/nevada-gop-platform_n_5147862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Wow. That surprises me.

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They also voted to remove opposition to abortion. That surprises me even more. In fact, it shocks me.

Click to expand...

You and me both. My guess is it doesn't last. Republicans don't have supporters without opposition to abortion.

edit: well, they probably do. Like 18 of them.

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It'd possible that someone realized that a platform opposing Supreme Court precedent that isn't going anywhere is stupid.

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Really? Isn't part of the platform the nomination process of the judges -- judges who in the past took a state and local right and somehow found penumbras emanating out of a two hundred year-old document and codified it federally?

Stare decisis is one thing, but there have been overturned precedents.

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Henry Ford said:

rockaction said:

Henry Ford said:

proninja said:

timschochet said:

proninja said:

joffer said:

Nevada GOP dropped opposition to gay marriage from heir part platform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/nevada-gop-platform_n_5147862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Wow. That surprises me.

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They also voted to remove opposition to abortion. That surprises me even more. In fact, it shocks me.

Click to expand...

You and me both. My guess is it doesn't last. Republicans don't have supporters without opposition to abortion.

edit: well, they probably do. Like 18 of them.

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It'd possible that someone realized that a platform opposing Supreme Court precedent that isn't going anywhere is stupid.

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Really? Isn't part of the platform the nomination process of the judges -- judges who in the past took a state and local right and somehow found penumbras emanating out of a two hundred year-old document and codified it federally?

Stare decisis is one thing, but there have been overturned precedents.

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That's the weirdest sentence I've read today, and I'm reading transcripts of local council meetings from the Lafourche Parish Council for most of the day. It's significantly more intelligent, but weirder.

The writing is on the wall with gay marriage. It's not going away. Keeping it as a platform is keeping a losing issue on your platform. Same with abortion. Abortion and gay marriage are extremely unlikely to ever be illegal again in our lifetimes.

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rockaction said:

Henry Ford said:

rockaction said:

Henry Ford said:

proninja said:

timschochet said:

proninja said:

joffer said:

Nevada GOP dropped opposition to gay marriage from heir part platform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/nevada-gop-platform_n_5147862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Wow. That surprises me.

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They also voted to remove opposition to abortion. That surprises me even more. In fact, it shocks me.

Click to expand...

You and me both. My guess is it doesn't last. Republicans don't have supporters without opposition to abortion.

edit: well, they probably do. Like 18 of them.

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It'd possible that someone realized that a platform opposing Supreme Court precedent that isn't going anywhere is stupid.

Click to expand...

Really? Isn't part of the platform the nomination process of the judges -- judges who in the past took a state and local right and somehow found penumbras emanating out of a two hundred year-old document and codified it federally?

Stare decisis is one thing, but there have been overturned precedents.

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That's the weirdest sentence I've read today, and I'm reading transcripts of local council meetings from the Lafourche Parish Council for most of the day. It's significantly more intelligent, but weirder.

The writing is on the wall with gay marriage. It's not going away. Keeping it as a platform is keeping a losing issue on your platform. Same with abortion. Abortion and gay marriage are extremely unlikely to ever be illegal again in our lifetimes.

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My post was about abortion, not gay marriage.

Hey, I have to laugh. If the weirdness of my sentence -- emanating penumbras and the like, and how they have been historically applied -- are good enough for Justice Douglas in Griswold v. Connecticut, which then extended into Roe v. Wade, it's good enough for me.

At least if memory serves me correctly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecticut

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Henry Ford said:

rockaction said:

Henry Ford said:

proninja said:

timschochet said:

proninja said:

joffer said:

Nevada GOP dropped opposition to gay marriage from heir part platform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/nevada-gop-platform_n_5147862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Wow. That surprises me.

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They also voted to remove opposition to abortion. That surprises me even more. In fact, it shocks me.

Click to expand...

You and me both. My guess is it doesn't last. Republicans don't have supporters without opposition to abortion.

edit: well, they probably do. Like 18 of them.

Click to expand...

It'd possible that someone realized that a platform opposing Supreme Court precedent that isn't going anywhere is stupid.

Click to expand...

Really? Isn't part of the platform the nomination process of the judges -- judges who in the past took a state and local right and somehow found penumbras emanating out of a two hundred year-old document and codified it federally?

Stare decisis is one thing, but there have been overturned precedents.

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The writing is on the wall with gay marriage. It's not going away. Keeping it as a platform is keeping a losing issue on your platform. Same with abortion. Abortion and gay marriage are extremely unlikely to ever be illegal again in our lifetimes.

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Henry Ford said:

rockaction said:

Henry Ford said:

rockaction said:

Henry Ford said:

proninja said:

timschochet said:

proninja said:

joffer said:

Nevada GOP dropped opposition to gay marriage from heir part platform

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/nevada-gop-platform_n_5147862.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Wow. That surprises me.

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They also voted to remove opposition to abortion. That surprises me even more. In fact, it shocks me.

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You and me both. My guess is it doesn't last. Republicans don't have supporters without opposition to abortion.

edit: well, they probably do. Like 18 of them.

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It'd possible that someone realized that a platform opposing Supreme Court precedent that isn't going anywhere is stupid.

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Really? Isn't part of the platform the nomination process of the judges -- judges who in the past took a state and local right and somehow found penumbras emanating out of a two hundred year-old document and codified it federally?

Stare decisis is one thing, but there have been overturned precedents.

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That's the weirdest sentence I've read today, and I'm reading transcripts of local council meetings from the Lafourche Parish Council for most of the day. It's significantly more intelligent, but weirder.

The writing is on the wall with gay marriage. It's not going away. Keeping it as a platform is keeping a losing issue on your platform. Same with abortion. Abortion and gay marriage are extremely unlikely to ever be illegal again in our lifetimes.

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My post was about abortion, not gay marriage.

Hey, I have to laugh. If the weirdness of my sentence -- emanating penumbras and the like, and how they have been historically applied -- are good enough for Justice Douglas in Griswold v. Connecticut, which then extended into Roe v. Wade, it's good enough for me.

At least if memory serves me correctly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecticut

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The phrase "penumbras emanating " isn't where I was weirded out. Judges don't codify things, federally or otherwise.

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rockaction said:

Probably more legislative, but not wrong.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/codify

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HellToupee said:

Abortion has been a nonissue for decades

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fatguyinalittlecoat said:

HellToupee said:

Abortion has been a nonissue for decades

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There have been dozens of state laws passed in the last few years restricting abortions. Not sure how that makes it a nonissue.

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joffer said:

gay marriage is done as an issue

abortion isn't going anywhere

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Maurile Tremblay said:

proninja said:

Who is going to vote for them if they aren't against gay marriage and abortion?

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Nobody ever votes libertarian, but in polls an awful lot of people describe themselves as being conservative on fiscal issues but liberal on social issues.

If the Republicans stopped emphasizing social issues, they could probably pick up a lot of votes from centrists. The risk is that the far right might splinter off into a third party, but I'm not sure that would be a bad thing for the Republicans. They'd have to pick up enough centrist votes to make up for the lost far-right votes. That seems doable to me, but maybe that's just because I don't live in Alabama.

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joffer said:

fatguyinalittlecoat said:

HellToupee said:

Abortion has been a nonissue for decades

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There have been dozens of state laws passed in the last few years restricting abortions. Not sure how that makes it a nonissue.

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gay marriage is done as an issue

abortion isn't going anywhere

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timschochet said:

Maurile Tremblay said:

proninja said:

Who is going to vote for them if they aren't against gay marriage and abortion?

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Nobody ever votes libertarian, but in polls an awful lot of people describe themselves as being conservative on fiscal issues but liberal on social issues.

If the Republicans stopped emphasizing social issues, they could probably pick up a lot of votes from centrists. The risk is that the far right might splinter off into a third party, but I'm not sure that would be a bad thing for the Republicans. They'd have to pick up enough centrist votes to make up for the lost far-right votes. That seems doable to me, but maybe that's just because I don't live in Alabama.

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The main problem IMO, with your analysis is this: they might pick up more votes, but they'll lose a lot of money. The main thing the far right contributes is dollars. Not sure centrists are going to be passionate enough about stuff to throw money at Republican fundraisers, the way the far right is willing to do to stop abortion and gay marriage.

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fatguyinalittlecoat said:

timschochet said:

Maurile Tremblay said:

proninja said:

Who is going to vote for them if they aren't against gay marriage and abortion?

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Nobody ever votes libertarian, but in polls an awful lot of people describe themselves as being conservative on fiscal issues but liberal on social issues.

If the Republicans stopped emphasizing social issues, they could probably pick up a lot of votes from centrists. The risk is that the far right might splinter off into a third party, but I'm not sure that would be a bad thing for the Republicans. They'd have to pick up enough centrist votes to make up for the lost far-right votes. That seems doable to me, but maybe that's just because I don't live in Alabama.

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The main problem IMO, with your analysis is this: they might pick up more votes, but they'll lose a lot of money. The main thing the far right contributes is dollars. Not sure centrists are going to be passionate enough about stuff to throw money at Republican fundraisers, the way the far right is willing to do to stop abortion and gay marriage.

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Another big concern is volunteers. The people that go around knocking on doors and putting up signs and making phone calls are the true believers on both sides. Folks in the middle don't really do that stuff.

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rockaction said:

Perhaps I'm wrong. I'll let others be the judge.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/codify

eta* especially in Roe v. Wade's case. Awful lot of legislative rules in there; enough to make it a legal code more than anything else, considering it had never been federally addressed before, and it's generally spoken of as a policy-driven decision. Peace, mang. Don't have time to terrier all day.

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