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A discussion broke out amongst some of my friends over a poker game and a certain writer here at FBGs over whether Drew Bledsoe should be discussed as a Hall of Fame Candidate.

Firstly, I'm a Jets fan so no love for Bledsoe. Looking at his career stats he's top 10 in both TDS and yards and rivals numbers of many HOF QBS.

I'd like to see if this begins a #### storm like the one I created amongst my friends. What do you think. Am I out of my mind as some of my crew indicated?

 
That is funny stuff. He has ZERO chance of making it to the Hall of Fame, unless he is a visitor.

After this year, Bledsoe could very well be football's version of Buck Showalter.

 
I will acknowledge that, if he had not straddled the era between Marino-Montana and Manning-Brady he maybe had a shot at reaching one of the cut downs. He had some good stats.

'94 led the league in passing yardage, 13th best pass yardage year, and he is top-10 in pass yardage all time.

He's 13th all-time in passing TDs, he's a 4-time Pro Bowler, he has a S.B. ring <<ggg>>.

But, he never threw more than 28 TDs in any year, he has only 7 years with more than 20 passing TDs, and he has quite a few years with more INTs than TDs.

His postseason numbers are the true killer.

 
brettdj said:
What about Vinny T. Could Bledsoe pass Vinny.(no idea of what Vinnies stats are)
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Vinnie's stats are better than Bledsoe's. The one thing Bledsoe has over Vinnie is that he brought them to the Super Bowl where a returner named Desmond Howard beat the team Bill Parcells was trying to leave for the Jets.I simply don't see it happening. I don't want Vinnie, Bledsoe or even Dave Kreig (who has pretty good stats) in there before Kenny Stabler.

All time passing yardage leaders: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/alltime/leaders?cat=passyards

You also have to keep in mind that the NFL has become pass happy over the past dozen years.

 
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The stats in football just dont hold up like they do in baseball. Its much more telling to look at his rank year by year then his overall stats. He had a few good to great years, but he's got no business in the HOF.

 
He's going to be one of those guys who gets passed over for 10 years or so, then some idiot ESPN writer looks back and says "wow, this guy's numbers are great, how come he's not in the HOF?" The ball gets rolling and Bledsoe undeservingly ends up in the HOF in a weak year for 1st year balloters based on his numbers alone.

That's my guess.

 
Most memorable moment to me was in January 2002 in the AFC title game when he came off the bench after brady got hurt and saved what turned out to be the franchise's first NFL championship season by leading the team to the super bowl. I still remember seeing him lift the trophy above his head in satisfaction.

 
he'll end up with very good overall numbers, but he has played in an era of prolific passing attacks and was never one of the best players at his position(at least not in my opinion) He is a prolific passer, but not a HOF QB.

Add in the fact that he never won a SB and had his job taken from him on 3 seperate teams(NE, Buf, Dal) and there is no way he should get in.

 
The problem with Bledsoe is that he is basically a QB with a lifetime mark of around .500 as a starter. My best guess from a quick career review is that he has a 97-94 record as a starter in the regular season and 3-3 in the post season.

But he has a rep for blowing games and coming up with back breaking turnovers at the worst possible times, and that may be his undoing.

 
JuniorNB said:
When you really think about it, Bledsoe has never been the best quarterback on his own team.
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Bledsoe was clearly the best QB in NE before Brady came to town and was certainly the best option in 3 years in BUF. Only his last year in NE and DAL was there really any debate as to whether he should be starting.
 
Why do we have this discussion every year? A guy who can't seem to keep his job for more than 2 years with a team shouldn't be a HOF candidate. He has big numbers because with him at the helm teams have sucked and been behind so much after half-time they have to keep throwing the ball. There is 0 chance he gets into the HOF.

 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Vinnie's stats are better than Bledsoe's. The one thing Bledsoe has over Vinnie is that he brought them to the Super Bowl where a returner named Desmond Howard beat the team Bill Parcells was trying to leave for the Jets.
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The Packers likely would have won that game, even without Desmond Howard's kickoff return. Bledsoe should have no shot at making the Hall of Fame.
 
BlueDredSo said:
Why do we have this discussion every year? A guy who can't seem to keep his job for more than 2 years with a team shouldn't be a HOF candidate. He has big numbers because with him at the helm teams have sucked and been behind so much after half-time they have to keep throwing the ball. There is 0 chance he gets into the HOF.
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While I am not an advocate of Bledsoe making the HOF, his career resembles that of Warren Moon. Moon spend years with HOU while Bledsoe played 9 with NE. Moon moved on to MIN for 3 seasons and Bledsoe went to BUF for 3 years. Moon moved on to SEA for 2 years and Bledsoe hitched on with DAL for the past 2 years. And Moon played sparingly as a backup for 2 years in KC (with Bledsoe seemingly on his way to a QB2 role elsewhere next year).As for other comparisons . . .Moon 58.4% vs Bledsoe 57.2 % completion percentageMoon 19.2 vs Bledsoe 19.8 completions per game'Moon 237 vs Bledsoe 230 passing yards per gameMoon 1.399 vs Bledsoe 1.294 passing TD per gameMoon 1.25 vs Bledsoe 1.22 TD to INT ratioThe numbers are pretty similar in my book.
 
David Yudkin said:
BlueDredSo said:
Why do we have this discussion every year? A guy who can't seem to keep his job for more than 2 years with a team shouldn't be a HOF candidate. He has big numbers because with him at the helm teams have sucked and been behind so much after half-time they have to keep throwing the ball. There is 0 chance he gets into the HOF.
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While I am not an advocate of Bledsoe making the HOF, his career resembles that of Warren Moon. Moon spend years with HOU while Bledsoe played 9 with NE. Moon moved on to MIN for 3 seasons and Bledsoe went to BUF for 3 years. Moon moved on to SEA for 2 years and Bledsoe hitched on with DAL for the past 2 years. And Moon played sparingly as a backup for 2 years in KC (with Bledsoe seemingly on his way to a QB2 role elsewhere next year).As for other comparisons . . .Moon 58.4% vs Bledsoe 57.2 % completion percentageMoon 19.2 vs Bledsoe 19.8 completions per game'Moon 237 vs Bledsoe 230 passing yards per gameMoon 1.399 vs Bledsoe 1.294 passing TD per gameMoon 1.25 vs Bledsoe 1.22 TD to INT ratioThe numbers are pretty similar in my book.
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Interesting. However, the things that tipped the scales in Moon's favor:6 seasons in the CFL (including 5 Grey Cups and 2 MVPs)9-time Pro BowlerThrew for 30+ TDs twice
 
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David Yudkin said:
BlueDredSo said:
Why do we have this discussion every year? A guy who can't seem to keep his job for more than 2 years with a team shouldn't be a HOF candidate. He has big numbers because with him at the helm teams have sucked and been behind so much after half-time they have to keep throwing the ball. There is 0 chance he gets into the HOF.
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While I am not an advocate of Bledsoe making the HOF, his career resembles that of Warren Moon. Moon spend years with HOU while Bledsoe played 9 with NE. Moon moved on to MIN for 3 seasons and Bledsoe went to BUF for 3 years. Moon moved on to SEA for 2 years and Bledsoe hitched on with DAL for the past 2 years. And Moon played sparingly as a backup for 2 years in KC (with Bledsoe seemingly on his way to a QB2 role elsewhere next year).As for other comparisons . . .Moon 58.4% vs Bledsoe 57.2 % completion percentageMoon 19.2 vs Bledsoe 19.8 completions per game'Moon 237 vs Bledsoe 230 passing yards per gameMoon 1.399 vs Bledsoe 1.294 passing TD per gameMoon 1.25 vs Bledsoe 1.22 TD to INT ratioThe numbers are pretty similar in my book.
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Interesting. However, the things that tipped the scales in Moon's favor:6 seasons in the CFL (including 5 Grey Cups and 2 MVPs)9-time Pro BowlerThrew for 30+ TDs twice
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A lot of people seem to think Moon's CFL performance contributed to his induction. I don't believe that. IMO he is in on his NFL merits, with the only other possible factor that he is a black QB.I agree that there is a big disparity in Pro Bowls... more than twice as many for Moon. In addition:- Moon's career yards per passing attempt is 7.2; Bledsoe's is 6.6- Moon's career QB rating is 80.9; Bledsoe's is 77.1 and dropping- Moon had 1736 rushing yards and 22 rushing TDs; Bledsoe has 764/10- Moon was All Pro in 1990; Bledsoe was never All Pro- Moon averaged 283 passing yards, 1.7 passing TDs, and 1.4 interceptions in 10 postseason games; Bledsoe averaged 191/0.85/1.7 in 7 postseason games- Not that VBD is used by HOF voters, but it is a measure that we understand around here... Moon had 662 career VBD; Bledsoe has 348Also, note that Moon got a later start on his accomplishments due to the NFL not being willing to draft him as a black QB. He turned 28 during his first NFL season, yet he still played 17 seasons in the NFL, including 14 or 15 as a starter (not sure about 1996), and finished in the top 5 in career pass attempts, completions, passing yards, and passing TDs. Heck, he threw for 3678 yards and 25 TDs at age 41. I'm sure the CFL helped him to be more immediately productive when he joined the NFL, but it is also easy to imagine him having challenged Marino's records for passing yardage and TDs had he started out in the NFL.This is a silly comparison IMO, and is insulting to Moon's accomplishments. Moon deserved to be in the HOF and Bledsoe doesn't. I find both of those statements to be obvious.
 
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David Yudkin said:
BlueDredSo said:
Why do we have this discussion every year? A guy who can't seem to keep his job for more than 2 years with a team shouldn't be a HOF candidate. He has big numbers because with him at the helm teams have sucked and been behind so much after half-time they have to keep throwing the ball. There is 0 chance he gets into the HOF.
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While I am not an advocate of Bledsoe making the HOF, his career resembles that of Warren Moon. Moon spend years with HOU while Bledsoe played 9 with NE. Moon moved on to MIN for 3 seasons and Bledsoe went to BUF for 3 years. Moon moved on to SEA for 2 years and Bledsoe hitched on with DAL for the past 2 years. And Moon played sparingly as a backup for 2 years in KC (with Bledsoe seemingly on his way to a QB2 role elsewhere next year).As for other comparisons . . .Moon 58.4% vs Bledsoe 57.2 % completion percentageMoon 19.2 vs Bledsoe 19.8 completions per game'Moon 237 vs Bledsoe 230 passing yards per gameMoon 1.399 vs Bledsoe 1.294 passing TD per gameMoon 1.25 vs Bledsoe 1.22 TD to INT ratioThe numbers are pretty similar in my book.
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Interesting. However, the things that tipped the scales in Moon's favor:6 seasons in the CFL (including 5 Grey Cups and 2 MVPs)9-time Pro BowlerThrew for 30+ TDs twice
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:thumbup:IIRC, adding in his CFL stats, Moon tops Marino in career numbers. My only criticism of my esteemed colleague on the staff is that he often draws selective stats to support a point. In all, though, Mr. Yudkin is a statsman with no peer.:lol:The differences between Bledsoe and Moon FAR outeweigh some statistical similarities. I disagree with JWB that he got in purely on his NFL merits. His CFL output was taken into consideration when the HOF made their selection. It was not a primary reason - his NFL numbers are clear support for an argument in favor of induction - but, standing alone, his NFL numbers are only barely enough to support a clear difference between Bledsoe and Moon.Drew Bledsoe is actually pretty close to passing Moon on a few important top-50 all time lists - including more attempts, completions and pass yards. That said, Bledsoe has never had INDIVIDUAL SEASONS as statistically dominant as Moon. And when you add inthe facvt that he spent 6 years playing pro football not in the NFL plus the fact that he broke ground for black QBs, he received the induction. Both factors led to the induction.The only argument for Bledsoe in relation to Moon is a clear edge for Bledsoe in postseason W-L and he's been to two Super Bowls versus none for Moon.Moon (3-7) career postseason numbers:10 games: 259 cmp. 403 att. 2834 yards 17 TDs 14 INTsBledsoe (4-3) career postseason numbers:7 games: 129 cmp. 252 att. 1335 yards 6 TDs 12 INTsMoon performed better in the games, but his teams were horrendous in the postseason.
 
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Marc Levin said:
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David Yudkin said:
BlueDredSo said:
Why do we have this discussion every year? A guy who can't seem to keep his job for more than 2 years with a team shouldn't be a HOF candidate. He has big numbers because with him at the helm teams have sucked and been behind so much after half-time they have to keep throwing the ball. There is 0 chance he gets into the HOF.
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While I am not an advocate of Bledsoe making the HOF, his career resembles that of Warren Moon. Moon spend years with HOU while Bledsoe played 9 with NE. Moon moved on to MIN for 3 seasons and Bledsoe went to BUF for 3 years. Moon moved on to SEA for 2 years and Bledsoe hitched on with DAL for the past 2 years. And Moon played sparingly as a backup for 2 years in KC (with Bledsoe seemingly on his way to a QB2 role elsewhere next year).As for other comparisons . . .Moon 58.4% vs Bledsoe 57.2 % completion percentageMoon 19.2 vs Bledsoe 19.8 completions per game'Moon 237 vs Bledsoe 230 passing yards per gameMoon 1.399 vs Bledsoe 1.294 passing TD per gameMoon 1.25 vs Bledsoe 1.22 TD to INT ratioThe numbers are pretty similar in my book.
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Interesting. However, the things that tipped the scales in Moon's favor:6 seasons in the CFL (including 5 Grey Cups and 2 MVPs)9-time Pro BowlerThrew for 30+ TDs twice
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:thumbup:IIRC, adding in his CFL stats, Moon tops Marino in career numbers. My only criticism of my esteemed colleague on the staff is that he often draws selective stats to support a point. In all, though, Mr. Yudkin is a statsman with no peer.:lol:The differences between Bledsoe and Moon FAR outeweigh some statistical similarities. I disagree with JWB that he got in purely on his NFL merits. His CFL output was taken into consideration when the HOF made their selection. It was not a primary reason - his NFL numbers are clear support for an argument in favor of induction - but, standing alone, his NFL numbers are only barely enough to support a clear difference between Bledsoe and Moon.Drew Bledsoe is actually pretty close to passing Moon on a few important top-50 all time lists - including more attempts, completions and pass yards. That said, Bledsoe has never had INDIVIDUAL SEASONS as statistically dominant as Moon. And when you add inthe facvt that he spent 6 years playing pro football not in the NFL plus the fact that he broke ground for black QBs, he received the induction. Both factors led to the induction.The only argument for Bledsoe in relation to Moon is a clear edge for Bledsoe in postseason W-L and he's been to two Super Bowls versus none for Moon.Moon (3-7) career postseason numbers:10 games: 259 cmp. 403 att. 2834 yards 17 TDs 14 INTsBledsoe (4-3) career postseason numbers:7 games: 129 cmp. 252 att. 1335 yards 6 TDs 12 INTsMoon performed better in the games, but his teams were horrendous in the postseason.
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To be clear, I have adamantly posted against Bledsoe being a HOFer and campaigned for years that Moon should be, so in no way shape or form am I suggesting that on a whole that Bledsoe is in the same class as Moon is. I was just pointing out that their careers overlapped in some regards, most notably the number of teams they played for and how they mirrored each other after they left their primary team.
 
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