Who are Your TOP 5 Value Picks for QB, RB, WR? (1 Viewer)

An earlier thread asked for opinions on Top 5 at each position for fantasy points. I'll start a thread for Top 5 VALUE (price vs. upside) picks:

QB

Brees (has shot at being #1 QB this year w/ Colston, Bush, Meachem, Henderson, etc.)

Kitna (good shot at Top 5 fantasy production)

Leinert (Fitz & Boldin - need I say more?)

Bulger (could blow up with the additions of Bennet and McMichael to go along with Holt, SJax, and Bruce)

Rivers (cheap price...could easily end up Top 7)

RB

FWP (good shot at Top 5 but will be priced much cheaper)

McGahee (will be cheaper due to disspointing last 2 years but can be a MONSTER this year in BAL)

Henry (was not brought in to share carries with M. Bell. He'll get over 300 carries)

Rudi (ALWAYS a bargain!)

TJ (now the man in NYJ but will be priced like a scrub)

WR

Housh (will easily get 1000/10 but will be priced much cheaper than the studs)

Javon (has good shot at Top 7 or 8)

Driver (always on this list)

Colston (will get lost amongst the usual studs)

Hines Ward (Blue Light Special every year)

What's your list?

Basd on early mocks that i have seen

QB

V. Young

M. Vick

J. Campbell

A. Smith

J. Cutler

RB

R. Bush

C. Portis

A. Green

K. Jones

M. Pittman

WR

T.J.

L. Evans

S. Moss

D. Branch

M. Clayton

QB

Romo

Favre (once again)

Grossman

Pennington

Rivers

RB

Kevin Jones/Tatum Bell

Lamont Jordan

Thomas Jones

Fred Taylor

Deuce McAllister

WR

Joey Galloway

Terry Glenn

Reggie Brown

Eddie Kennison

Mark Clayton

TE

Owen Daniels

Eric Johnson

also...

Roethlisberger

Alex Smith

Chris Henry

Brandon Jackson

Jamal Lewis

DeAngelo Williams

DJ Hackett

Devery Henderson

Bernard Berrian

QB

Ben Roethlisberger - Should be fully healed from his injuries and accident. If the Roethlisberger of 2004 and 2005 gets the same amount of pass attempts as the Roethlisberger of 2006, then he'll have a big season.

Alex Smith - Solid backup QB with the potential to emerge as more. For the first time in his career, he has a legitimate supporting cast to work with.

RB

Thomas Jones - One of the most underrated players in FF right now. Should have the best supporting cast of his career next season. Top 10 is not out of the question.

Travis Henry - Did well in Tennessee. Should do better in Denver.

Marshawn Lynch - Not the most talented back on Earth, but I don't think A-Train will keep him off the field for very long. Lynch is a good short-term option in PPR leagues.

Jerious Norwood - Awkward build may limit his upside, but he has the skills to make a major impact.

WR

Kevin Curtis - Finally starting. McNabb knows how to use his receivers.

Ronald Curry - Could be the WR1 in Oakland. Has a lot of potential in PPR.

Reggie Williams - Might be the best WR in Jacksonville. Has a chance to surprise.

Santonio Holmes - Quietly had over 500 yards in the second half of his rookie season. Should be an opening day starter next season.

Mark Clayton - Better as a dynasty buy, but he should be a solid option next season.

I will use the expert rankings from this site to make my picks (for redraft league).

QB

Brett Favre - 14 - I really think this will be his last season, and he will finish strong, between 8-10

Chad Pennington - 21 - Finished 17th last yr, predict finish between 13-15

Philip Rivers - 12 - Finished 8th in 2006, SD offense still in peak form, should stay around #8

Eli Manning - 13 - Finished 9th in 2006 while playing like crap, Tiki-less team to rely on Eli more

Donovan McNabb - 6 - Finished 12th in 2006, in only 9 games! Was on pace to be #1 FF QB

RB

Chester Taylor - 34 - 1500 total yards and over 300 carries in 2006, AP not fully healthy

Kevin Jones - 39 - Taking a chance that he gets healthy, was top 20 in '06 while missing 4 games

Lamont Jordan - 35 - Should see lion's share of OAK carries and RB catches

Brandon Jackson - 40 - projected 823 total yards and 3 TD's could be quite low

Laurence Maroney - 11 - Had to pick one of the higher ranked guys to do better than their ADP

WR

Santonio Holmes - 37 - Had a very quiet 49/824 last year, TD's should improve

Chris Chambers - 25 - Focal point of MIA passing game in 2007, welcome to the Dolphins, Trent Green

Bernard Berrian - 32 - Finished 33rd in '06, will be targeted alot more in 2007

Calvin Johnson - 29 - Why can't the best rookie WR in quite a few yrs finish in the top 20?

Randy Moss - 12 - The highest ranked player I see that should be ranked even higher

TE

Tony Scheffler - 19 - I know Graham came to town, but he should see the field a good bit

Eric Johnson - 22 - Not alot of risk in taking him as your TE2, could pay huge dividends

Vernon Davis - 8 - Will battle DJax for most catches in SF

Kellen Winslow - 6 - Why the drop from being TE4 last year?

Bo Scaife - 26 - TEN WR's aren't exactly studs now

QB:

Jon Kitna

Tony Romo

JP Losman

Chris Simms

Carson Palmer

RB:

Marion Barber

Kevin Jones

Willis McGahee

Brandon Jacobs

Thomas Jones

WR:

TJ Houshmandzadeh

Mark Clayton

Brandon Marshall

Brandon Jones

DJ Hackett

RamMan said:

Colston (will get lost amongst the usual studs)

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He won't come cheap

by_the_sea_wannabe said:

Basd on early mocks that i have seen

QB

V. Young

M. Vick

J. Campbell

A. Smith

J. Cutler

RB

R. Bush

C. Portis

A. Green

K. Jones

M. Pittman

WR

T.J.

L. Evans

S. Moss

D. Branch

M. Clayton

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Why Pittman? And I could guess, but is that Mike or Mark Clayton?

Mr. Peterson said:

by_the_sea_wannabe said:

Basd on early mocks that i have seen

QB

V. Young

M. Vick

J. Campbell

A. Smith

J. Cutler

RB

R. Bush

C. Portis

A. Green

K. Jones

M. Pittman

WR

T.J.

L. Evans

S. Moss

D. Branch

M. Clayton

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Why Pittman? And I could guess, but is that Mike or Mark Clayton?

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Mark ClaytonPittman, because I think he provides decent value as a bye-week fill in; in deep ppr leagues.

by_the_sea_wannabe said:

Mr. Peterson said:

by_the_sea_wannabe said:

Basd on early mocks that i have seen

QB

V. Young

M. Vick

J. Campbell

A. Smith

J. Cutler

RB

R. Bush

C. Portis

A. Green

K. Jones

M. Pittman

WR

T.J.

L. Evans

S. Moss

D. Branch

M. Clayton

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Why Pittman? And I could guess, but is that Mike or Mark Clayton?

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Mark ClaytonPittman, because I think he provides decent value as a bye-week fill in; in deep ppr leagues.

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If anything Vince Young is extremely over-valued.

QB

Rivers (he doesnt throw int's, so leagues with - points for them he should be going higher)

Roethlisberger (spread formations)

Eli (not on his fanboy list but he is falling way too far)

McNabb (was QB1 when injured last year)

Bulger (falling too far)

RB

Lewis (upgraded OL - no RBBC)

Edge (upgraded OL - no RBBC)

Jacobs (if he doesnt live up to RB1 he will still get goalline duty so risk is mitigated)

LJordan (falling too far, take him as your RB3 and see what happens in PPR)

TJones (should have a few seasons left, more tread left than you'd think)

WR

Hines (round six ?!?)

DJax (round six ?!?)

MHarrison (round four?!?)

Kennison (Bowe not ready yet)

Branch

TE

Gonzalez

Crumpler

McMichael

EJohnson

Olsen

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

If anything Vince Young is extremely over-valued.

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he has so much fantasy potential, but with his surrounding cast, i really think he will be extremely limited

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

by_the_sea_wannabe said:

Mr. Peterson said:

by_the_sea_wannabe said:

Basd on early mocks that i have seen

QB

V. Young

M. Vick

J. Campbell

A. Smith

J. Cutler

RB

R. Bush

C. Portis

A. Green

K. Jones

M. Pittman

WR

T.J.

L. Evans

S. Moss

D. Branch

M. Clayton

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Why Pittman? And I could guess, but is that Mike or Mark Clayton?

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Mark ClaytonPittman, because I think he provides decent value as a bye-week fill in; in deep ppr leagues.

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If anything Vince Young is extremely over-valued.

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I don't like his situation this year at all.

will come back at some point and put a lil more thought into this but this is what i got for now

QB:

Bulger (he'll still be drafted somewhat high, but has a ton of potential as always)

Rivers (i'll wait several rounds and take any 2 of the following 5)

Leinart

Grossman

Kitna

Favre

RB:

McGahee - (going to new team - will be undervalued)

Benson - (taking over starting job - people dont have faith in him. i do)

T. Jones - (see McGahee)

Norwood (did awesome in limited action last yr- i expect him to get the ball even more)

WR:

Driver - (as always)

S. Moss - (very talented guy if they can get him the ball)

Evans - (love this guy more than most)

T.J. - (as always - especially without Henry stealing production for a lil while)

Kevin Curtis - (wanna grab this guy late in all my leagues)

TE:

(I'll wait if i have to and take either of these guys)

Dallas Clark

L.J. Smith

QB

Ben Roethlisberger - should be 100%, new regime should throw more

Jason Campbell - more experience, good young quaterback thats under the radar

Marc Bulger - Has the tools to be top 3...if he can stay healthy

Alex Smith - team just keeps getting better around him and se will he

Matt Schaub - there gonna have to throw ALOT

RB

Clinton Portis - going too late after a bad year

Willis McGahee - see above

Edgerrin James - see above

DeAngelo Williams - should be the Panthers DeStarter

Lamont Jordan - can't be as bad as last year...can he?

WR

Deion Branch - should be the man in SEA

Andre Johnson - Schaub upgrade

Randy Moss - as much as I'll hate to see it he'll have 1200 and 12

Ronald Curry - should see more balls

Donald Driver - always taken too late

TE

Randy McMichael - Linehan makes sure he gets the ball in the redzone

Vernon Davis - bounce back from up and down rookie year

Ben Troupe - who else are they going to throw to???

Kellen Winslow - Soulja still has some detractors even after big year

Marcus Pollard - Jerramy Stevens replacement that can actually catch...or who ever starts for SEA at TE

I'll give it a shot...

QB

Rivers

Cutler

Favre

Roth

Losman

RB

W. Dunn

McGahee

A. Green

Caddy

L. Jordan

WR

Djax

Cotchery

S. Holmes

Berrian

Reggie Brown

videoguy505 said:

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

by_the_sea_wannabe said:

Mr. Peterson said:

by_the_sea_wannabe said:

Basd on early mocks that i have seen

QB

V. Young

M. Vick

J. Campbell

A. Smith

J. Cutler

RB

R. Bush

C. Portis

A. Green

K. Jones

M. Pittman

WR

T.J.

L. Evans

S. Moss

D. Branch

M. Clayton

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Why Pittman? And I could guess, but is that Mike or Mark Clayton?

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Mark ClaytonPittman, because I think he provides decent value as a bye-week fill in; in deep ppr leagues.

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If anything Vince Young is extremely over-valued.

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I don't like his situation this year at all.

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What was there to like about it last year? He seemed to do fine then.

RamMan said:

An earlier thread asked for opinions on Top 5 at each position for fantasy points. I'll start a thread for Top 5 VALUE (price vs. upside) picks:QBBrees (has shot at being #1 QB this year w/ Colston, Bush, Meachem, Henderson, etc.)Kitna (good shot at Top 5 fantasy production)Leinert (Fitz & Boldin - need I say more?)Bulger (could blow up with the additions of Bennet and McMichael to go along with Holt, SJax, and Bruce)Rivers (cheap price...could easily end up Top 7)RBFWP (good shot at Top 5 but will be priced much cheaper)McGahee (will be cheaper due to disspointing last 2 years but can be a MONSTER this year in BAL)Henry (was not brought in to share carries with M. Bell. He'll get over 300 carries)Rudi (ALWAYS a bargain!)TJ (now the man in NYJ but will be priced like a scrub)WRHoush (will easily get 1000/10 but will be priced much cheaper than the studs)Javon (has good shot at Top 7 or 8)Driver (always on this list)Colston (will get lost amongst the usual studs)Hines Ward (Blue Light Special every year)What's your list?

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I don`t think Brees will be a value pick like he was last year. Brees should be #2 off the board. Colston will also go pretty high IMO.Ward has never been a Blue Light special in my leagues. Rudi went 7 overall, but TJ could offer some value.

I haven't seen too many mocks, but I am looking at CBS' rankings. In parenthesis, I put where CBS has them ranked at their position.

QB

- Eli Manning (17): Was overrated last year, burned a ton of owners and is now underrated.

- Tony Romo (12): Has great weapons and the experience to exceed his current ADP.

- Kitna (13): All the weapons and Martz's offense seem to create the perfect storm here. Kitna's ceiling is higherthen any QB outside of Manning, Palmer, Brees, and McNabb.

- Leinhart (9): Everybody knows about Edge, Fitz, and Boldin. How about Levi?

- Alex Smith (24): Smith and the 49ers have improved every year. Smith should easily outplay his lowly ranking.

RB

- Jones-Drew (17): He was a top 10 back in 06 and will be a top 10 back in 07.

- Edge (18): The addition of Levi should help Edge improve on a disappointing first year in the desert.

- Portis (16): He will deliver on the hype that surrounded him in 06. Might be the SOD.

- DeAngelo Williams (31): Foster sucks. We know this. With a new system (the same system that Williams ran in college) that emphasizes speed and quickness, DeAngelo Williams will be the feature back in Carolina.

-Reuben Droughns (45): I am not sold on Jacobs being a feature back. Droughns is a proven 1000 yard back that can be taken while fellow owners are gambling on LenDale White and Anthony Thomas.

WR

-S. Moss (25): Great value for a player that has finished in the top 10 at WR in 2 of the last 4 years.

- Braylon (29): He has improved every year and is now entering that magical 3rd year.

- D. Branch (30): With DJax gone, Branch is now the go-to guy.

- G Jennings (36): He racked up about 370 yards and 3 TDs in his first 5 games before suffering an injury. I like his potential to cut into Driver's numbers.

- Anthony Gonzalez (50): Indy has lost a lot on defense and might need to really air the ball out in 07. Gonzalez is a perfect fit in the slot and will really help Manning keep the chains moving.

QBs

Roethlisberger

Kitna

Romo

Rivers

Delhomme

Of this group, Roethlisberger is the one I like the most. Of the drafts I've seen so far he has fallen quite a bit. I think he has Top 10 potential if healthy. He's a great value in my opinion.

RBs

McGahee

Cadillac

Jacobs

Dunn

Julius Jones

If McGahee falls outside the Top 10-11 I like him a lot. I think Cadillac is a top bounceback candidate. Jones is a major value right now. People seem to be forgetting he's still the starter in Dallas.

WRs

Driver

DJax

Chambers

Cotchery

Muhammad

I think Chambers bounces back big. I'm not a huge Muhammad fan but I've seen him drop almost completely off the map in some drafts so far and he's still the No. 1 WR in Chicago. As a value pick I like him.

jurb26 said:

videoguy505 said:

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

by_the_sea_wannabe said:

Mr. Peterson said:

by_the_sea_wannabe said:

Basd on early mocks that i have seen

QB

V. Young

M. Vick

J. Campbell

A. Smith

J. Cutler

RB

R. Bush

C. Portis

A. Green

K. Jones

M. Pittman

WR

T.J.

L. Evans

S. Moss

D. Branch

M. Clayton

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Why Pittman? And I could guess, but is that Mike or Mark Clayton?

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Mark ClaytonPittman, because I think he provides decent value as a bye-week fill in; in deep ppr leagues.

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If anything Vince Young is extremely over-valued.

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I don't like his situation this year at all.

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What was there to like about it last year? He seemed to do fine then.

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Drew Bennett and Travis Henry. I was just saying, IMO he is over-valued, not a value play.

Qbs

Rivers

E. Manning

Cutler

Leinert

Kitna

Rbs

Parker

Norwood

Rudi

Edge

C. Williams

Wrs

Chambers

Curtis

Cotchery

Hackett

V. Jackson

Based on FBG's list:

QBs

Roethlisberger - FGB ranks Ben at 17 this year. Ummm, hello he ranked 10th last year fellas. Last year was a horrible year for him and the team seems to be going in a direction that will only improve his fantasy numbers.

J. Campbell - This guys has done nothing but sit back, watch and learn for 2 years. He will be in a great scheme with talented players all around him. He looked very good in the 7 games he saw action in last year. I'm finding it very hard to believe that 23 QBs will have better fantasy seasons.

Frye - I think he holds off Quinn for a year and has surprisingly good weapons around him now. Edwards and Winslow are both progressing along extremely well and Lewis is an upgrade at RB. The Oline should be much improved IMO and that is the biggest factor.

Grossman - I know people love to hate Rex, but the guy finished 15th last year. He is currently ranked way down at 26 by FGB. If there was reason to believe he was loosing his job, I can buy this. I don't see any threat in Chi though. Like it or not, if Rex plays the majority of the year he will be in the top 20 again.

McNabb - probably just splitting hairs, but he should be in the top 5 IMO.

RBs

Jones-Drew - I don't care if he is in a RBBC or not. MJD will score like a RB1 again in 2007. He is just far to effective in the red zone and in the passing game to not. He should see an increase in his touches this year and some how this guy managed to rank 8th among RBs last year with only 212 touches. To put that in perspective, LJ ranked 2nd on 457 touches.

A. Green - I'm really confused as to why Green would be ranked so low (24). This is the 1st time in 2 years he will enter the season healthy and he ranked 15th last year while missing time. Moving to Hou seems like an upgrade to me. There is no competition for carries like we initially feared. Unless Green gets injured, he seems like a lock to be top 20 to me. Green made my list last year and proved to be a great buy. I see that continuing again this year.

J. Lewis - This guy made my list last year and outperformed his ADP and he makes my list year as well. Only he will outperform his 26 rank be even more than he did last years. Lewis was RB 16 last year in Balt. Of course moving to Clev would appear to be a drastic change and down-grade to most. I'm not buying it however. Clev has upgraded it's Oline, has 2 fantastic emerging weapons in Edwards/Winslow and upgraded at QB. Clev also did not address RB at all in the draft. It seems clear that Lewis will be fed the ball. Not only that, but Clev 2007 O > Balt 2006 O IMO.

D. Williams - Plan and simple, Williams is a better RB than Foster. He will see the lions share of carries and touches this year moving forward IMO. So much that he should greatly surpass the 28 rank FBG is giving him.

T. Jones - Jones is exactly what the Jets have been wanting for 2 years now. He will be a featured RB in NY and this team has one of the best young Olines in the league.

WR

S. Moss - Injuries plagued Moss' 2006 season and that should all clear up for 2007. On top of that, he will have a much better QB tossing his passes this year. One who can actually utilize his deep speed and separation skills down the field. FBG has Moss ranked as WR20 right now. He finished 27th last year despite only playing 14 games and fighting injuries. I'm guessing he will be back in the top 15.

B. Edwards - I think Edwards is ready for his break out year. He has all the tools and was slowed by injuries last year. He looked brilliant at times even in a Clev offense that was well bellow average.

Williamson - Here is another guy that I think is ready to take a big leap in his development in 2007. Troy was a project WR coming out of college and it seems that many people forget that elements of his game were going to take time. He also has suffered from a vision problem that greatly impacted his catching skills. The vision has reportedly been improved and Williamson, unlike many NFL WRs, gets open. FBG ranks Williamson at WR61 which is bellow fellow ROOKIE teammate S. Rice. He enters 2007 as the odds on favorite to be Minn WR1. I think he solidifies that spot this year.

S. Holmes - Being a Steeler fan and getting to watch Holmes in great detail last year, I can't help but feel this guy is going to have a great 2nd year. He made some big plays down the field and seems like a perfect fit opposite Ward. Pitt looks to open up the play book this year and Holmes will be a major part of that.

Coles - Of all the NFL's WR1s, Coles may be the one that I like most as under the radar. He finished as WR16 last year and is coming in at 21 for FBG this year. Not really a great differential, but I think Coles is pretty secure to be in the top 20 with upside to around 10.

I'll take a shot.

Looking at ADP so far here are my Value picks.

4.05 T.J. Houshmandzadeh (ranked #12 WR)

6.01 Deuce McAllister (ranked #23 RB) Solid RB #3 or even #2 if you ended up picking up 2 stud WR's in rounds 2 and 3.

6.06 Deangelo Williams (ranked #26RB) Same as above but should be the #1 back in Carolina.

6.02 Hines Ward (ranked #19 WR) I think he will have top 10 numbers.

5.03 Andre Johnson (ranked #15 WR) If you went RB,RB,RB in your league getting Andre Johnson and Hines Ward in the 5th and 6th round would be solid IMO.

jurb26 said:

Based on FBG's list:

QBs

Roethlisberger - FGB ranks Ben at 17 this year. Ummm, hello he ranked 10th last year fellas. Last year was a horrible year for him and the team seems to be going in a direction that will only improve his fantasy numbers.

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He's on my list too and I think he may be arguably the biggest value in drafts this year. Everything that could've gone wrong for the guy went wrong last season and he still ranked 10th. And now with better health and likely improvement from one of his top receiving threats (Holmes) people are expecting him to suffer a serious decline? I don't see it though I hope it happens all the way up until my draft. I'd love to snag him late as my QB2.

packersfan said:

jurb26 said:

Based on FBG's list:

QBs

Roethlisberger - FGB ranks Ben at 17 this year. Ummm, hello he ranked 10th last year fellas. Last year was a horrible year for him and the team seems to be going in a direction that will only improve his fantasy numbers.

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He's on my list too and I think he may be arguably the biggest value in drafts this year. Everything that could've gone wrong for the guy went wrong last season and he still ranked 10th. And now with better health and likely improvement from one of his top receiving threats (Holmes) people are expecting him to suffer a serious decline? I don't see it though I hope it happens all the way up until my draft. I'd love to snag him late as my QB2.

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It's going to be an interesting year for him. If he's ever going to jump up into the elite ranks, I think it'll probably be this year that it happens. I've always thought he had a very high ceiling, so it'll be interesting to see how he performs.

jurb26 said:

Based on FBG's list:

QBs

Roethlisberger - FGB ranks Ben at 17 this year. Ummm, hello he ranked 10th last year fellas. Last year was a horrible year for him and the team seems to be going in a direction that will only improve his fantasy numbers.

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If you look around the league at what happened, people should notice that:KC

MIA

WAS

PHI

DEN

ARI

JAC

SEA

DAl

CAR

TB

CLE

OAK

MIN

all used more than one QB either by switching starters or by injury. That's almost half the league.

David Yudkin said:

jurb26 said:

Based on FBG's list:

QBs

Roethlisberger - FGB ranks Ben at 17 this year. Ummm, hello he ranked 10th last year fellas. Last year was a horrible year for him and the team seems to be going in a direction that will only improve his fantasy numbers.

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If you look around the league at what happened, people should notice that:KC

MIA

WAS

PHI

DEN

ARI

JAC

SEA

DAl

CAR

TB

CLE

OAK

MIN

all used more than one QB either by switching starters or by injury. That's almost half the league.

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Big deal, that happens just about every year. If you ask me, that only helps Ben's cause. He is in no danger of loosing his starting job. There are still several teams on that list (as well as other you could add) that have unsettled QB positions. Pit is not one of them.How many other QBs faced the slew of set backs Ben did?

FYI, Pitt did use more than just Ben last year. He missed 1 game and was unable to finish 2 others. He still finished as the #10 QB.

jurb26 said:

David Yudkin said:

jurb26 said:

Based on FBG's list:

QBs

Roethlisberger - FGB ranks Ben at 17 this year. Ummm, hello he ranked 10th last year fellas. Last year was a horrible year for him and the team seems to be going in a direction that will only improve his fantasy numbers.

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If you look around the league at what happened, people should notice that:KC

MIA

WAS

PHI

DEN

ARI

JAC

SEA

DAl

CAR

TB

CLE

OAK

MIN

all used more than one QB either by switching starters or by injury. That's almost half the league.

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Big deal, that happens just about every year. If you ask me, that only helps Ben's cause. He is in no danger of loosing his starting job. There are still several teams on that list (as well as other you could add) that have unsettled QB positions. Pit is not one of them.How many other QBs faced the slew of set backs Ben did?

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Yup. Also, the Steelers could be added to that list above since Roethlisberger did not play the entire season. A full season of play shouldn't hurt Roethlisberger's production.

packersfan said:

Yup. Also, the Steelers could be added to that list above since Roethlisberger did not play the entire season. A full season of play shouldn't hurt Roethlisberger's production.

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Beat me to my edit.

packersfan said:

jurb26 said:

David Yudkin said:

jurb26 said:

Based on FBG's list:

QBs

Roethlisberger - FGB ranks Ben at 17 this year. Ummm, hello he ranked 10th last year fellas. Last year was a horrible year for him and the team seems to be going in a direction that will only improve his fantasy numbers.

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If you look around the league at what happened, people should notice that:KC

MIA

WAS

PHI

DEN

ARI

JAC

SEA

DAl

CAR

TB

CLE

OAK

MIN

all used more than one QB either by switching starters or by injury. That's almost half the league.

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Big deal, that happens just about every year. If you ask me, that only helps Ben's cause. He is in no danger of loosing his starting job. There are still several teams on that list (as well as other you could add) that have unsettled QB positions. Pit is not one of them.How many other QBs faced the slew of set backs Ben did?

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Yup. Also, the Steelers could be added to that list above since Roethlisberger did not play the entire season. A full season of play shouldn't hurt Roethlisberger's production.

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Yes, every year a couple teams will see a QB miss some time or they may make a move. But not HALF THE LEAGUE.Big Ben scored 246 fantasy points in the FBG scoring sytem. While that ranked 10th in 06, that total would have ranked him 14, 15, 15, 15, and 15 the years prior.

As I've mentioned several times in the past, rankings really don't mean all that much anyway as there are so many QBs grouped together scoring wise that they are somewhat interchangable. Unless Roethlisberger jumps way up fantasy scoring wise (like 50 or more points), he's really no better or worse than the other QB from the Top 6 to roughly the Top 15. Sure, he may rank slighlty higher than others but his value in that ranking bracket is not going to make or break your fantasy squad.

Another consideration of which I don't have an answers for is how strong the defense will be this year. The team got behind and passed a lot more than other seasons last year. I know the plan is to pass more, but the question is more than what? The years when they rank 575-625 times? (They ranked 15th in passing attempts last year.) If the offense doesn't turn the ball over and the defense does not allow as many points, will the Steelers be looking to go vertical? I don't have an answer to that one . . .

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jurb26 said:

David Yudkin said:

jurb26 said:

Based on FBG's list:

QBs

Roethlisberger - FGB ranks Ben at 17 this year. Ummm, hello he ranked 10th last year fellas. Last year was a horrible year for him and the team seems to be going in a direction that will only improve his fantasy numbers.

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If you look around the league at what happened, people should notice that:KC

MIA

CAR

TB

CLE

OAK

MIN

all used more than one QB either by switching starters or by injury. That's almost half the league.

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Big deal, that happens just about every year. If you ask me, that only helps Ben's cause. He is in no danger of loosing his starting job. There are still several teams on that list (as well as other you could add) that have unsettled QB positions. Pit is not one of them.How many other QBs faced the slew of set backs Ben did?

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Yup. Also, the Steelers could be added to that list above since Roethlisberger did not play the entire season. A full season of play shouldn't hurt Roethlisberger's production.

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Yes, every year a couple teams will see a QB miss some time or they may make a move. But not HALF THE LEAGUE.

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Again, did you factor Ben into that half of the league? He missed 1 whole game and did not finish 2 others.Furthermore, you may as well toss half of your original teams that had QBs miss time back inot the bucket of "unsettled" situations.

KC

MIA

CAR

TB

CLE

OAK

MIN

All 7 of these teams on your list look cloudy to me entering 2007. Jack could be placed here by some as well. I'm not buying it though.

I didn't stick necessarily to five, I just listed the guys who I felt who I feel may be good value picks.

QB:

* Big Ben is easily the best value at QB this season

* Joey Harrington could be a great value pick at QB if Vick is suspended for a year. Not a great QB, but a starting QB is still a starting QB.

* Alex Smith seems to be going pretty late and should be a solid contributor

* Byron Leftwich is risky, but if you can get his handcuff(s), JAX usually provides a solid QB

* Rex Grossman. yeah yeah, he sucks and is inconsistent, but he may improve his consistency this season and he is still playing on a great team.

* Jason Campbell maybe?

RB:

Imo it is very difficult to find value picks at RB. You are talking longshots on guys that have been given up on.

* Caddy was hurt alot last year, had a terrible QB, and they were constantly playing from behind.

* Chris Brown - yeah yeah, he is fragile blah blah. But he can be had very late and should provide reasonable flex production. The only way this works is to take white and henry as well. Someone will hopefully emerge.

* Ahman Green - since he was traded to HOU his stock has dropped (if thats possible). He is better than any other back on the roster there so he should have no problem being the #1. He is old and there are injury concerns, plus the o-line sucks.

* Anthony Thomas is likely to be very cheap but get maybe 100-150 touches.

* Maybe morency, but I don't think I would want anything to do with the GBP running game. Same situation as TEN, have to grab all the guys hoping one of them emerges.

* fred taylor is cheap every year and produces decent numbers for a flex.

* Dunn is also going very cheap.

* Lamont Jordan was hurt all year and has the chance to rebound on a team that can go nowhere but up.

* Julius Jones, all anyone remembers is MB3 stealing the TDs but Jones did have some nice yardage.

WR:

* Mike Williams/Jerry Porter - one of these guys has to emerge as the #1 in OAK. Hearing good things about the attitude change of both.

* Greg Jennings - GB didn't draft a WR so his value should be pretty good.

* Keyshawn Johnson should land in a spot where he is used. Think McCardell of 2005 where he had 917/9.

* Terry Glenn is cheap every year and produces solid WR3 value.

* Deion Branch/DJ Hacket - like the OAK WRs, one of these guys will have to step up and fill DJax shoes.

* Its probly just me, but I love Kevin Curtis in PHI.

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Again, did you factor Ben into that half of the league? He missed 1 whole game and did not finish 2 others.

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He still ranked 11th in passing attempts, so it's not like he missed a ton of time. That number of attempts will typically rank in the top 10-15. That's what I was saying earlier . . . he needs to do BETTER with the attempts he has to have true fantasy VALUE. If he gets drafted 18th but ranks 9th, yes, that's better than he was drafted but it still may not make that much difference.

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jurb26 said:

Again, did you factor Ben into that half of the league? He missed 1 whole game and did not finish 2 others.

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He still ranked 11th in passing attempts, so it's not like he missed a ton of time. That number of attempts will typically rank in the top 10-15. That's what I was saying earlier . . . he needs to do BETTER with the attempts he has to have true fantasy VALUE. If he gets drafted 18th but ranks 9th, yes, that's better than he was drafted but it still may not make that much difference.

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He was not right at the beginning of the season. He really had no business even playing the first few games.I'm not huge on Ben, but having an off season where he doesn't almost kill himself should improve all of those numbers.

RamMan said:

An earlier thread asked for opinions on Top 5 at each position for fantasy points. I'll start a thread for Top 5 VALUE (price vs. upside) picks:

QB

Brees (has shot at being #1 QB this year w/ Colston, Bush, Meachem, Henderson, etc.)

Kitna (good shot at Top 5 fantasy production)

Leinert (Fitz & Boldin - need I say more?)

Bulger (could blow up with the additions of Bennet and McMichael to go along with Holt, SJax, and Bruce)

Rivers (cheap price...could easily end up Top 7)

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I'm really high on Kitna finishing with great number, but that is all predicated on if Detroit is somewhat in the playoff hunt come season's end. If they are sub-500 with 4 games left, then the powers that be may decide to begin the Drew Stanton era. Just a possiblity...If you decide to go with Kitna in the 7-9th round, I would draft another QB a round or two later just in case.

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RamMan said:

An earlier thread asked for opinions on Top 5 at each position for fantasy points. I'll start a thread for Top 5 VALUE (price vs. upside) picks:

QB

Brees (has shot at being #1 QB this year w/ Colston, Bush, Meachem, Henderson, etc.)

Kitna (good shot at Top 5 fantasy production)

Leinert (Fitz & Boldin - need I say more?)

Bulger (could blow up with the additions of Bennet and McMichael to go along with Holt, SJax, and Bruce)

Rivers (cheap price...could easily end up Top 7)

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I'm really high on Kitna finishing with great number, but that is all predicated on if Detroit is somewhat in the playoff hunt come season's end. If they are sub-500 with 4 games left, then the powers that be may decide to begin the Drew Stanton era. Just a possiblity...If you decide to go with Kitna in the 7-9th round, I would draft another QB a round or two later just in case.

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Drew Stanton will not play in 07.

Its pretty damn easy to handcuff Stanton with Kitna.

spec1alk said:

QB: * Big Ben is easily the best value at QB this season * Byron Leftwich is risky, but if you can get his handcuff(s), JAX usually provides a solid QB

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I agree that Ben is probably the best value, but Byron could be the better value if he stays healthy. Jacksonville's passing attack with Jones, Reggie, MWalker, MJD, and Mercedes could be potent.

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spec1alk said:

QB: * Big Ben is easily the best value at QB this season * Byron Leftwich is risky, but if you can get his handcuff(s), JAX usually provides a solid QB

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I agree that Ben is probably the best value, but Byron could be the better value if he stays healthy. Jacksonville's passing attack with Jones, Reggie, MWalker, MJD, and Mercedes could be potent.

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Really? I'd put those guys in the bottom 1/3 of the league in terms of receiving talent when compared to other teams.

No particular order

QB:

M. Schaub (HOU) -- Better WR in Andre Johnson

D. McNabb (PHI) -- Coming off of injury, may scare some fantasy owners off, but always has played at high level recently

M. Bulger (STL) -- Always seem to pick him up late, and always performs!

J. Garcia (TB) -- If he wins the job, could put up respectable numbers

J. Kitna (DET) -- Subtract M. Williams, Add C. Johnson. You do the math.

RB:

K. Jones (DET) -- Injury will allow him to slip further than he's worth.

J. Lewis (CLE) -- Line upgrade in CLE, just a matter of time though before

R. Johnson (CIN) -- Always overlooked, always puts in solid production week in and week out.

W. McGahee (BAL) -- Upgrade in overall offense bodes well for McGahee.

E. James (ARI) -- Upgrade in O LINE and coach will improve James' stock dramatically in what was a disappointing season last year.

WR:

J. Cotchery (NYJ) -- Go to guy in NYJ land.

D. Hackett (SEA) -- Should be #1 or #2 with the departure of D. Jackson

D. Stallworth (NE) -- Crowded WR corps in NE land but should be the go-to guy in NE.

S. Holmes (PIT) -- Last couple games showed his monster potential.

D. Henderson (NO) -- SHOULD be the one that gains the most from J. Horn's departure.

Its a little early but we'll see what happens.

My lunch hour value picks using FBG’s Rankings

QB

M Hasselbeck 11

T Romo 15

B Roethlisberger 17

JP Losman 19

T Jackson 28

RB

T Henry 13

E James 17

M Lynch 23

D Williams 28

B Jackson 40

WR

C Chambers 23

Cal Johnson 30

DJ Hackett 36

S Holmes 39

T Williamson 61

spec1alk said:

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RB:

* Chris Brown - yeah yeah, he is fragile blah blah. But he can be had very late and should provide reasonable flex production. The only way this works is to take white and henry as well. Someone will hopefully emerge.

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Are you talking about Chris Henry? Im not even sure if Chris Brown is even still on TEN, here is the Titans roster, and he's not on there.

The Hank said:

spec1alk said:

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RB:

* Chris Brown - yeah yeah, he is fragile blah blah. But he can be had very late and should provide reasonable flex production. The only way this works is to take white and henry as well. Someone will hopefully emerge.

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Are you talking about Chris Henry? Im not even sure if Chris Brown is even still on TEN, here is the Titans roster, and he's not on there.

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he's not and I think there was a story a week or so ago saying that he wouldn't be going back either....

Banger said:

The Hank said:

spec1alk said:

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RB:

* Chris Brown - yeah yeah, he is fragile blah blah. But he can be had very late and should provide reasonable flex production. The only way this works is to take white and henry as well. Someone will hopefully emerge.

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Are you talking about Chris Henry? Im not even sure if Chris Brown is even still on TEN, here is the Titans roster, and he's not on there.

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he's not and I think there was a story a week or so ago saying that he wouldn't be going back either....

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Sorry, hadn't heard. You can remove him from the list.

TeamDingo said:

My lunch hour value picks using FBG’s RankingsQBM Hasselbeck 11T Romo 15B Roethlisberger 17JP Losman 19T Jackson 28RBT Henry 13E James 17M Lynch 23D Williams 28B Jackson 40WRC Chambers 23Cal Johnson 30DJ Hackett 36S Holmes 39T Williamson 61

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Maybe its just me but I have a problem with several of the guys on this list. I guess the pattern I see is that while I agree that I think most of these guys will outplay their ADP, I don't see them outplaying it by enough to warrant being a notable value pick.

I don't understand the people picking Rudi. Where does he generally go in your league? I haven't seen his ADP, but he generally goes late 1st - mid 2nd in mine.

QB's

A. Smith

E. Manning

M. Hasselbeck

B. Favre

J. Cambell

RB's

T. Bell

F. Taylor

W. Dunn

J. Lewis

B. Jacobs

WR's

M. Jones

D. Driver

K. Curtis

K. Johnson

A. Gonzalez

These are in no particular order:

QB:

Rivers - Will build on a solid year last year

Pennington - He played well enough last year to hold Clemmens off for one more year IMO - TJ will also take the heat off of him

Eli Manning - Caught a lot of heat last year, but I can see those TDs going up with the need to throw more w/o Barber and with a healthy Toomer back in his arsenal

Bulger - They have added Bennett and McMichaels, so that can only help him in real life, but for some reason I don't think it has bumped his ADP up much

Delhomme - I will catch heat for this one, but I really believe the guy just had an off year last year. He has always been an undervalued QB in FF, so his terrible year last year will just drop his ADP lower than previous years...I don't think of Carr as too much of a threat.

RB:

Cadillac Williams - Not much competition for touches, and if he rebounds to his rookie numbers he will be a steal

Fred Taylor - I am one of the few, but I am very skeptical that MJD will come close to the numbers he posted last year. I don't think Taylor will be great, but I would not be surpised if he put up RB3 numbers.

Ahman Green - I am curious to see what he will be able to do in a zone blocking scheme

McGahee - The Baltimore line is not a lot better than Buffalo's, but I think he will post pretty decent numbers

WR:

Chambers - If the 'Phins get Trent Green, this guy wil be $$$. I am not ready to write him off yet.

Chad Jackson - Moss will attract a lot of attention leaving him open all day

Mark Clayton - Showed nice flashes last year, but not enough to drive up his ADP IMO

Roy Williams - He is ranked in that class under the elite WRs, but I have the feeling that with Furrey and Johnson drawing attention, he is going to be left in single coverage a lot and will possibly make the leap to elite WR.

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Chad Jackson - Moss will attract a lot of attention leaving him open all day

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He tore his ACL and could be on the PUP or IR list this year. Even if he plays, the Pats have TONS of WRs ahead of him on the food chain.