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Rating the Centers (1 Viewer)

chris1969

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Team C Crnk Grade

Minnesota Vikings Matt Birk 1 8.5

New York Jets Nick Mangold 2 8.0

Chicago Bears Olin Kreutz 3 8.0

Denver Broncos Tom Nalen 4 7.8

Kansas City Chiefs Casey Weigmann 5 7.7

New England Patriots Dan Koppen 6 7.5

Carolina Panthers Justin Hartwig 7 7.4

Houston Texans Mike Flanagan 8 7.4

Indianapolis Colts Jeff Saturday 9 7.3

Atlanta Falcons Todd McClure 10 7.3

Arizona Cardinals Al Johnson 11 7.3

New York Giants Shaun O'Hara 12 7.1

Washington Redskins Casey Rabach 13 7.1

San Diego Chargers Nick Hardwick 14 7.0

Tennesee Titans Kevin Mawae 15 7.0

Oakland Raiders Jake Grove 16 7.0

Green Bay Packers Scott Wells 17 7.0

San Francisco 49ers Eric Heitmann 18 6.9

New Orleans Saints Jeff Faine 19 6.9

Buffalo Bills Melvin Fowler 20 6.9

Jacksonville Jaguars Brad Meester 21 6.9

Seattle Seahawks Chris Spencer 22 6.8

Detroit Lions Damien Raiola 23 6.7

Cleveland Browns Hank Fraley 24 6.7

Baltimore Ravens Mike Flynn 25 6.7

Dallas Cowboys Andre Gurode 26 6.7

Pittsburgh Steelers Chukky Okobi 27 6.7

Philadelphia Eagles Jamaal Jackson 28 6.4

Tampa Bay Buccaneers John Wade 29 6.2

Cincinnati Bengals Eric Ghiaciuc 30 6.0

Miami Dolphins Rex Hadnot 31 5.9

St Louis Rams Brett Romberg 32 5.0

 
chris1969 said:
Feedback is appreciated.Team C Crnk Grade Minnesota Vikings Matt Birk 1 8.5 New York Jets Nick Mangold 2 8.0 Chicago Bears Olin Kreutz 3 8.0 Denver Broncos Tom Nalen 4 7.8 Kansas City Chiefs Casey Weigmann 5 7.7 New England Patriots Dan Koppen 6 7.5 Carolina Panthers Justin Hartwig 7 7.4 Houston Texans Mike Flanagan 8 7.4 Indianapolis Colts Jeff Saturday 9 7.3 Atlanta Falcons Todd McClure 10 7.3 Arizona Cardinals Al Johnson 11 7.3 New York Giants Shaun O'Hara 12 7.1 Washington Redskins Casey Rabach 13 7.1 San Diego Chargers Nick Hardwick 14 7.0 Tennesee Titans Kevin Mawae 15 7.0 Oakland Raiders Jake Grove 16 7.0 Green Bay Packers Scott Wells 17 7.0 San Francisco 49ers Eric Heitmann 18 6.9 New Orleans Saints Jeff Faine 19 6.9 Buffalo Bills Melvin Fowler 20 6.9 Jacksonville Jaguars Brad Meester 21 6.9 Seattle Seahawks Chris Spencer 22 6.8 Detroit Lions Damien Raiola 23 6.7 Cleveland Browns Hank Fraley 24 6.7 Baltimore Ravens Mike Flynn 25 6.7 Dallas Cowboys Andre Gurode 26 6.7 Pittsburgh Steelers Chukky Okobi 27 6.7 Philadelphia Eagles Jamaal Jackson 28 6.4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers John Wade 29 6.2 Cincinnati Bengals Eric Ghiaciuc 30 6.0 Miami Dolphins Rex Hadnot 31 5.9 St Louis Rams Brett Romberg 32 5.0
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What if La Charles actually makes it back?Also wither Ryan Kahlil?
 
Bracie Smathers said:
chris1969 said:
Feedback is appreciated.Team C Crnk Grade Minnesota Vikings Matt Birk 1 8.5 New York Jets Nick Mangold 2 8.0 Chicago Bears Olin Kreutz 3 8.0 Denver Broncos Tom Nalen 4 7.8 Kansas City Chiefs Casey Weigmann 5 7.7 New England Patriots Dan Koppen 6 7.5 Carolina Panthers Justin Hartwig 7 7.4 Houston Texans Mike Flanagan 8 7.4 Indianapolis Colts Jeff Saturday 9 7.3 Atlanta Falcons Todd McClure 10 7.3 Arizona Cardinals Al Johnson 11 7.3 New York Giants Shaun O'Hara 12 7.1 Washington Redskins Casey Rabach 13 7.1 San Diego Chargers Nick Hardwick 14 7.0 Tennesee Titans Kevin Mawae 15 7.0 Oakland Raiders Jake Grove 16 7.0 Green Bay Packers Scott Wells 17 7.0 San Francisco 49ers Eric Heitmann 18 6.9 New Orleans Saints Jeff Faine 19 6.9 Buffalo Bills Melvin Fowler 20 6.9 Jacksonville Jaguars Brad Meester 21 6.9 Seattle Seahawks Chris Spencer 22 6.8 Detroit Lions Damien Raiola 23 6.7 Cleveland Browns Hank Fraley 24 6.7 Baltimore Ravens Mike Flynn 25 6.7 Dallas Cowboys Andre Gurode 26 6.7 Pittsburgh Steelers Chukky Okobi 27 6.7 Philadelphia Eagles Jamaal Jackson 28 6.4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers John Wade 29 6.2 Cincinnati Bengals Eric Ghiaciuc 30 6.0 Miami Dolphins Rex Hadnot 31 5.9 St Louis Rams Brett Romberg 32 5.0
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What if La Charles actually makes it back?Also wither Ryan Kahlil?
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LeChuck at 100% is the #1 center, the question is what percent is he when he comes back.I have a feeling Kahlil plays guard his first year.
 
Personally, I think Birk struggled too much in pass protection last year to rank #1, and would like to see another season like last from Mangold before ranking him so high.

 
Pittsburgh Steelers Chukky Okobi 27 6.7

Anything about Okobi is a just total guess.

The only time he played was when Hartings was slowed and the line didnt miss a beat.

And some (Steeler fans/watchers) said he looked better then Hartings in that limited play and it was his time.

But Cowher is a die hard for his veterans' as most know. Where would you rank Hartings? Okobi could start slightley below that based on experience, but he is certainly moremobile at this point. Understand that Okobi was given a large (starting type) contract extension by the Steelers a couple years ago and is heading into his 7th season. Without the presence of an all-pro like Hartings he would have been starting already.

 
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Pittsburgh Steelers Chukky Okobi 27 6.7

Anything about Okobi is a just total guess.

The only time he played was when Hartings was slowed and the line didnt miss a beat.

And some (Steeler fans/watchers) said he looked better then Hartings in that limited and it was his time.

Where would you rank Hartings? Okobi could start slightley below that based on experience, but he is certainly moremobile at this point. Understand that Okobi is on was given a large (starting type) contract extension by the Steelers a couple years ago and is heading into his 7th season. Without the presence of an all-pro like Hartings would have been starting already.
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Actually 6.7 is what I rank Mahan and then I found out Okobi was the starter in mini-camp. I agree rating Okobi would be a guess, so I used Mahan's rating until I can watch him in pre-season.
 
chris1969 said:
Feedback is appreciated.Team C Crnk Grade Minnesota Vikings Matt Birk 1 8.5 New York Jets Nick Mangold 2 8.0 Chicago Bears Olin Kreutz 3 8.0 Denver Broncos Tom Nalen 4 7.8 Kansas City Chiefs Casey Weigmann 5 7.7 New England Patriots Dan Koppen 6 7.5 Carolina Panthers Justin Hartwig 7 7.4 Houston Texans Mike Flanagan 8 7.4 Indianapolis Colts Jeff Saturday 9 7.3 Atlanta Falcons Todd McClure 10 7.3 Arizona Cardinals Al Johnson 11 7.3 New York Giants Shaun O'Hara 12 7.1 Washington Redskins Casey Rabach 13 7.1 San Diego Chargers Nick Hardwick 14 7.0 Tennesee Titans Kevin Mawae 15 7.0 Oakland Raiders Jake Grove 16 7.0 Green Bay Packers Scott Wells 17 7.0 San Francisco 49ers Eric Heitmann 18 6.9 New Orleans Saints Jeff Faine 19 6.9 Buffalo Bills Melvin Fowler 20 6.9 Jacksonville Jaguars Brad Meester 21 6.9 Seattle Seahawks Chris Spencer 22 6.8 Detroit Lions Damien Raiola 23 6.7 Cleveland Browns Hank Fraley 24 6.7 Baltimore Ravens Mike Flynn 25 6.7 Dallas Cowboys Andre Gurode 26 6.7 Pittsburgh Steelers Chukky Okobi 27 6.7 Philadelphia Eagles Jamaal Jackson 28 6.4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers John Wade 29 6.2 Cincinnati Bengals Eric Ghiaciuc 30 6.0 Miami Dolphins Rex Hadnot 31 5.9 St Louis Rams Brett Romberg 32 5.0
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I know you guys may view this as homerism but Olin Kreutz has been to...who nows how many pro bowls in a row now. Birk is good, but he isn't above Kreutz in my opinion.Mangold is good but needs to prove more, for a 2nd year guy to be in front of a proven year in and year out pro bowler is crazy. Jeff Saturday should be moved up as well.
 
What factors are you ranking them by? How are you scoring them? What do these numbers mean?

without that info - it's just a useless list.

 
There's not enough game time to properly rate SEA Spencer and his lackluster time at guard probably drags him down, but in this full season of starting now that Tobeck has retired I think he'll end up in the top 10 by the time the season ends. When he played last season he was by far the best linemon and the field after Jones. He's just not a guard and had to fill in for injuries, but at his natural position he excels. 22 is way too low for him but like I said, there isn't enough to go on for youto know that yet.

 
If leadership was something I was evaluating Saturday would be much higher. I could easily shuffle the top 3, and thought about making some adjustments to my grades, but I thought I'd stick to what I've graded and see what the feedback is. The number of Pro-Bowls a player has really doesn't sway my opinion. If you guys could provide more analysis between 2 guys that might sway me though.

 
Nice to see Mangold up there so high.

NFL teams are just plain silly with Cs.

He had a fine, well recognized college career, his combine and pro day stats were excellent, teams raved about him after interviews ....and then because he's a C he falls in the draft.

Once the Cs actually play then their value goes up. See Mawae, any Steeler C etc once they played.

It's just silly that they drop, Gs too for that matter but....rambling.

 
I'm confused how Hank Fraley could be ahead of Jamaal Jackson. Fraley was the incumbent Eagles starter and was beaten out by Jackson in camp, which led to Fraley heading to Cleveland. Jackson is bigger, younger, stronger, and beat him out in a head-to-head competition.

 
Jason Wood said:
I'm confused how Hank Fraley could be ahead of Jamaal Jackson. Fraley was the incumbent Eagles starter and was beaten out by Jackson in camp, which led to Fraley heading to Cleveland. Jackson is bigger, younger, stronger, and beat him out in a head-to-head competition.
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He has consistenly underrated the Eagle's o-line in all his rankings so far.Jamaal Jackson will be a pro-bowler this year. If he's not, there's something wrong.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Jason Wood said:
I'm confused how Hank Fraley could be ahead of Jamaal Jackson. Fraley was the incumbent Eagles starter and was beaten out by Jackson in camp, which led to Fraley heading to Cleveland. Jackson is bigger, younger, stronger, and beat him out in a head-to-head competition.
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He has consistenly underrated the Eagle's o-line in all his rankings so far.Jamaal Jackson will be a pro-bowler this year. If he's not, there's something wrong.
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Yeah...I know it's sounding like major homerism, but I'm baffled at how skewed his Eagles rankings have been, thus far. You could argue there are better offensive lines in the league, but you would be hard pressed to objectively argue there are more than a handful. Jackson isn't one of the top centers in the league, but he's clearly in the top half and at the very minimum, several rungs ahead of Fraley.
 
Is Flanagan the former Green Bay lineman that recently retired? or was that the Packers former G in Dallas?

3 years back or so, he was part of an exceptional interior in GB.......which player is it?

 
Bri said:
Is Flanagan the former Green Bay lineman that recently retired? or was that the Packers former G in Dallas?3 years back or so, he was part of an exceptional interior in GB.......which player is it?
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He's a Texan now. I think he got hurt at the beginning of last year. I could be wrong, though.
 
Again, the ranking of 13 is more or less accurate for Rabach. I view him as a slightly above-average C.

 
I think Kruetz of the Bears is the best center in the game and has been for awhile now.

Birk is pretty good but I would not have him higher than 5th on this list.

 
Thanks for all the feedback so far guys, and I'm looking at more Eagles games Jason to see if I can improve some of those rankings.

 
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