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***Official 2011 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Changed it to a 2011 thread. Might as well.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I'm not an Eagles fan but most teams would kill to have a guy like Vick and a coach like Andy Reid. You guys have bright years ahead, imo.We'll sign Vick to a monster contract. Kolb will get traded. Vick will blow out his knee in preseason. Kolb will be All-Pro somewhere in the league. Mike Kafka is your 2011 starting Eagles QB. Can't wait.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Calling it now - we will see the first ever "sign and trade" in the NFL as Vick is signed and then dealt away for a king's ransom.
Eagles will draft heavily along O-line (as they should) and also get DBs (needed) and a quarterback (yes, a QB).
QB depth chart will read Kolb, Kafka and rookie for 2011.
Linebackers will be addressed via free agency plus the youth movement (as all the younger guys develop).
Eagles will draft heavily along O-line (as they should) and also get DBs (needed) and a quarterback (yes, a QB).
QB depth chart will read Kolb, Kafka and rookie for 2011.
Linebackers will be addressed via free agency plus the youth movement (as all the younger guys develop).
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Would Vick be a part of this sign and trade deal, or would the Eagles have to keep a lid on this? I'm not following the Eagles, so I don't know this, but is he an RFA? What exactly is his FA status?
The Berry Man
Footballguy
Is Kolb still a hot commodity? Would he fetch that much in a trade?
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Fixed.
Balco
Footballguy
Read that the Eagles are asking for two first rounders. I just can't see a team doing that. I think Kolb is still highly regarded and think he would be a perfect fit in San Francisco. He should fetch a 1st rounder. I just can't see 2.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
A 2011 #1 and a 2012 #3 from a team in need? Absolutely.
Balco
Footballguy
I think that is very fair. And if I were a team like the 49ers or Vikings in need of a qb, I would definitely make that deal.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Would any of the first group below seriously give up a #1 and a #3 for Kolb? Seriously? Would the Niners or Titans really give up the 7th or 8th pick? Vikings at 12? Dolphins at 15?I don't see it. Seems like a lot of wishful thinking and over-valuing your own player.
The Berry Man
Footballguy
I don't think Kolb is fetching 1st round pick. Last off-season, maybe, but the iron is not hot.
First question is where does Kolb rank against the incoming QB's? He probably lost value this season but is still more plug and play ready than an unknown rookie. I could see a mid 1st from a needy team but not much more. Philly could continue to keep both but the cost is not filling other needs like like Dallas ignored OL to pick up Felix, Dez, and whatever that abortion of a 2009 draft was (special teams players).
JAA
Footballguy
What did they rebuild this year?
Fantastic question.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
This is part of the reason Vick would be traded, not Kolb.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Sure, Kolb is more plug-and-play than any rookie, but so is Kerry Collins.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Defensive youth / depth. Their defense is way too young and inexperienced to be asked to win games at this point - but they held GB to 21 points even with Nate Allen and their starting MLB and CB out for this year. (Bradley, Hobbs)Not saying that they were stellar, but they added decent young options in the draft.Riley Cooper was also a good depth WR addition. O-line and LB play was their biggest downfall.Oh yeah, they also rebuilt QB value with Vick.Fantastic question.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Collins' ceiling is lower and his age is a negative. Come on now.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Thank you. The same could be said of Kolb's ceiling compared to prospective QBs in the 1st round. Come on now.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Kolb's NFL comparison is akin to Matt Schaub in Atlanta. He's been through several NFL seasons and - if he gets protection - he is NFL ready to play and start. None of that can be said about rookies. As for age being a factor, no other position (aside from kicker) affords veterans to play well into their 30s. Kolb and a rookie are both likely to outlast a 4-6 year deal.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
So, are you on record as saying that you think Kolb is a high first round pick (i.e., 1-15)?
grateful zed
Footballguy
favre will need somewhere to play.We'll sign Vick to a monster contract. Kolb will get traded. Vick will blow out his knee in preseason. Kolb will be All-Pro somewhere in the league. Mike Kafka is your 2011 starting Eagles QB. Can't wait.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Is or is worth?He's worth a 1st round rookie pick, yes.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Worth, yes. That's what I meant.Hmm...ok, I haven't watched him in camps or near the number of snaps that you have, so I'll take your word for it. Would be a major coup if you guys could squeeze a #1 for him.
Domination
Footballguy
I also happen to think that Vick will get traded. But my question is, what kind of return could be expected from Vick and any thoughts on where he might go?
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Pure speculation, but I could see Minnesota as one of many interested clubs.Odds are that the Eagles would prefer to ship him to the AFC, so that would mean a club like OAK, MIA or TEN.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
He could have had the best ideas on the planet and it wouldnt matter with what he has to work with.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Vick worries me going forward. I trust that he'll do enough to get us 10 wins but him and Reid together just look too much like McNabb and Reid. This type of QB just will not work in the playoffs with this playcalling.
If/ when FA hits they need to address almost everything. We havent had a pass rushing DT in years and we need another DE for when Cole decides to vanish come playoff time. The LBers actually make me ill but I think there may be something to see in Chaney.
If/ when FA hits they need to address almost everything. We havent had a pass rushing DT in years and we need another DE for when Cole decides to vanish come playoff time. The LBers actually make me ill but I think there may be something to see in Chaney.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Would be even scarier if he knew how to read a blitz.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
It looks simple but the OL needs a couple starters and Herramans injures and age are starting to catch up to him. At LBer you could easily make a case for 3 starters and we need another starting CB, I'm hoping that's Nnambi, hoping anyway.
delusional
Footballguy
Need the same thing we needed last year except more because those "plugs" they used for this year are leaky.
OT: Peters is fine. Justice...how often do you see a starting RT get BENCHED during a playoff game? Depth is Dunlap? Could we possibly be needing a new RT?
OG: Todd has been up and down with his play. He isn't that "underrated LG" anymore. Injuries are taking a toll. I think its time to look for a future LG. I don't see anyone on this team that can fill that role..kinda. RG is a must need. MJG & Cole are ...gotta go. Cole plays two positions but below average. MJG plays one position but as feet like dump trucks. Def need to look in the draft 1st day for a starting RG.
C: This is tricky. Jackson wasnt game ready ( rushed back ) when he got injured again. McGlynn has been doing OK but face it, this was his first year ever playing center. I would be more comfortable with McGlynn @ G...be it competing for either G spots or serving as a legit back up. I think they should look for a LEGIT C in FA if possible. ( should have drafted Pouncey last season $#@$@# )
So starting RG, possible starting RT & Center. Legit depth @ OT & G.
DT: Bunkley Patterson Dixon Laws. I don't like Patterson, people say Bunkley was the weak link but I feel its the opposite. I could see Bunkley & Dixon starting. Laws & Patt coming in the rotation. Wouldn't mind this but could see them possibly moving in FA if a decent DT becomes available.
DE: Cole Parker Tapp Teo....who else is here? Oh yea, bad draft pick in Graham. Cole isn't going anywhere, Parker proved he can played but limited time. Graham won't see the field until late in the season at best & you have to worry about him losing a step already because of the injury. Tapp will get time next season, Teo? Who knows, another wasted pick that could have been used for a need in the drafft. Either way knowing the Eagles, it wouldn't surprise me if they go DE in the first 3 to 4 picks. ***note when I say bad draft pick with Graham, its not a knock on him as a player, its a knock at the Eagles for taking a DE when they had other pressing needs, the injury just makes it look even worse ***
So a possible starting DT ( FA ) if available to replace Patterson..if none available, no move made. Looking at another DE or two to replace Graham ( injury ) & Teo ( ineffective ) and also to limit Parkers snaps.
LB: What can you say? I wish I would have been eating crow with the Sims trade but I was right. He is not good. Gaither Fokou Jordan Chaney could be outright released and no one would blink and eye IMHO. It won't happen, but just saying. Honestly I think each spot SHOULD be open for competition but competition via the draft & FA. When I mean draft, I don't mean those 5th 6th 7th and UDFA either. We seen how that worked out. Bradley stays, move him outside if a MLB is taken high in the draft. Fokou could possibly stay as a starter. A legit big MLB is needed. Bradley is the best LB they have and honestly, he is average/above average at best. Some could stay on as ST players.
Cluster####...simple as that. I can see them going MLB high in the draft while looking to replace well everyone else sans Bradley & maybe Fokou.
CB: Samuels &....thats it. Lindley is a project...which in baseball or hockey works...not in the NFL when the project is probably better then the current crop of people ahead of him. Hanson will probably stay on but only as the nickel. I would like to see him replaced though. Patterson...he started hot then fizzled...alot. Yet Hanson can't even beat him out so you know CB is a top 3 priority on the 1st day. Lindley aruond to compete @ nickel & depth. I can see them picking up a FA CB for depth...right move would be looking into Asomugha to play opposite Samuels.
So starting CB. Possible nickel to compete/replace Hanson. Depth at CB for injury purposes ( able to start a few games ). Samuel Lindley stay...Patterson Hanson possible released. Lindley need to bulk up a bit
S: Hope Allen recovers. Showed alot of promise this season. Coleman is...JAG ( just another guy ). Depth at best really, ST type player like most the draft last season. Mikel is getting older & I think next year is his last year... Had a good season but also had alot of bad plays. I can see them taking a flyer on a mid talent guy to look to groom behind Mikel since he has one year left.
Future starting SS. FS Depth since I can't rely on Coleman in case Mikel or Allen go down again.
K/P: Akers is fine. Bring in competition for possibly kick offs to save his leg? I dunno. Rocca had a great year I think. Again competition can't hurt.
Overall I would like to see them go after players & not after "value" picks, out of position players or injured players ala last season.
I think they SHOULD trade Kolb. I can def see them getting multi picks for him...would they all be this year? Who knows but some teams will go after him. If they don't trade him & resign Vick, I can seriously see Kolb holding out. The guy wants to play. He was handed the franchise QB moniker and well yea. I wouldn't be surprised if he held out if he isn't moved prior to the draft.
If Vick didn't play the way he did this season & Kolb absolutely bombed, I think Reid would have been fired. Vick saved him his job imho. Kolb would have exposed how bad the Oline really was. If Marty leaves, which I think he will. I hope whatever OC they bring in shys away from Reids gameplanning. Say what you want, Marty was nothing more then Mr.Hat to Reid's Mr Garrison. The playcalling, year in and out is putting up numbers but at the same time holding the team back. More balanced....CONSISTENT attack would help this team & the players out tremendously.
OT: Peters is fine. Justice...how often do you see a starting RT get BENCHED during a playoff game? Depth is Dunlap? Could we possibly be needing a new RT?
OG: Todd has been up and down with his play. He isn't that "underrated LG" anymore. Injuries are taking a toll. I think its time to look for a future LG. I don't see anyone on this team that can fill that role..kinda. RG is a must need. MJG & Cole are ...gotta go. Cole plays two positions but below average. MJG plays one position but as feet like dump trucks. Def need to look in the draft 1st day for a starting RG.
C: This is tricky. Jackson wasnt game ready ( rushed back ) when he got injured again. McGlynn has been doing OK but face it, this was his first year ever playing center. I would be more comfortable with McGlynn @ G...be it competing for either G spots or serving as a legit back up. I think they should look for a LEGIT C in FA if possible. ( should have drafted Pouncey last season $#@$@# )
So starting RG, possible starting RT & Center. Legit depth @ OT & G.
DT: Bunkley Patterson Dixon Laws. I don't like Patterson, people say Bunkley was the weak link but I feel its the opposite. I could see Bunkley & Dixon starting. Laws & Patt coming in the rotation. Wouldn't mind this but could see them possibly moving in FA if a decent DT becomes available.
DE: Cole Parker Tapp Teo....who else is here? Oh yea, bad draft pick in Graham. Cole isn't going anywhere, Parker proved he can played but limited time. Graham won't see the field until late in the season at best & you have to worry about him losing a step already because of the injury. Tapp will get time next season, Teo? Who knows, another wasted pick that could have been used for a need in the drafft. Either way knowing the Eagles, it wouldn't surprise me if they go DE in the first 3 to 4 picks. ***note when I say bad draft pick with Graham, its not a knock on him as a player, its a knock at the Eagles for taking a DE when they had other pressing needs, the injury just makes it look even worse ***
So a possible starting DT ( FA ) if available to replace Patterson..if none available, no move made. Looking at another DE or two to replace Graham ( injury ) & Teo ( ineffective ) and also to limit Parkers snaps.
LB: What can you say? I wish I would have been eating crow with the Sims trade but I was right. He is not good. Gaither Fokou Jordan Chaney could be outright released and no one would blink and eye IMHO. It won't happen, but just saying. Honestly I think each spot SHOULD be open for competition but competition via the draft & FA. When I mean draft, I don't mean those 5th 6th 7th and UDFA either. We seen how that worked out. Bradley stays, move him outside if a MLB is taken high in the draft. Fokou could possibly stay as a starter. A legit big MLB is needed. Bradley is the best LB they have and honestly, he is average/above average at best. Some could stay on as ST players.
Cluster####...simple as that. I can see them going MLB high in the draft while looking to replace well everyone else sans Bradley & maybe Fokou.
CB: Samuels &....thats it. Lindley is a project...which in baseball or hockey works...not in the NFL when the project is probably better then the current crop of people ahead of him. Hanson will probably stay on but only as the nickel. I would like to see him replaced though. Patterson...he started hot then fizzled...alot. Yet Hanson can't even beat him out so you know CB is a top 3 priority on the 1st day. Lindley aruond to compete @ nickel & depth. I can see them picking up a FA CB for depth...right move would be looking into Asomugha to play opposite Samuels.
So starting CB. Possible nickel to compete/replace Hanson. Depth at CB for injury purposes ( able to start a few games ). Samuel Lindley stay...Patterson Hanson possible released. Lindley need to bulk up a bit
S: Hope Allen recovers. Showed alot of promise this season. Coleman is...JAG ( just another guy ). Depth at best really, ST type player like most the draft last season. Mikel is getting older & I think next year is his last year... Had a good season but also had alot of bad plays. I can see them taking a flyer on a mid talent guy to look to groom behind Mikel since he has one year left.
Future starting SS. FS Depth since I can't rely on Coleman in case Mikel or Allen go down again.
K/P: Akers is fine. Bring in competition for possibly kick offs to save his leg? I dunno. Rocca had a great year I think. Again competition can't hurt.
Overall I would like to see them go after players & not after "value" picks, out of position players or injured players ala last season.
I think they SHOULD trade Kolb. I can def see them getting multi picks for him...would they all be this year? Who knows but some teams will go after him. If they don't trade him & resign Vick, I can seriously see Kolb holding out. The guy wants to play. He was handed the franchise QB moniker and well yea. I wouldn't be surprised if he held out if he isn't moved prior to the draft.
If Vick didn't play the way he did this season & Kolb absolutely bombed, I think Reid would have been fired. Vick saved him his job imho. Kolb would have exposed how bad the Oline really was. If Marty leaves, which I think he will. I hope whatever OC they bring in shys away from Reids gameplanning. Say what you want, Marty was nothing more then Mr.Hat to Reid's Mr Garrison. The playcalling, year in and out is putting up numbers but at the same time holding the team back. More balanced....CONSISTENT attack would help this team & the players out tremendously.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
I personally would like to see both QBs back and actually compete for the job. If we recall, when Andy opted to go with Vick early in the season in spite of the old adage that you can't lose your job to injury, he just kept saying that Vick was playing at too high a level to put on the bench. And most agreed. But Vick's play declined materially as the year wore on and certainly didn't exit the year at a level that makes him above competing with Kolb for snaps.
renesauz
IBL Representative
WHile we can disagree on exactly how high Kolb's ceiling really is, virtually everyone grades that ceiling as no lower than a true, bonafide NFL starter. Meanwhile, his FLOOR is....a lower level, but still legit NFL starter. HMMMmmmmmm......even if his ceiling is (in your opinion) lower than most 1st round rookie QB's (I disagree), his floor is much MUCH higher than those same rookies.He's worth a low-mid first plus, or one higher first (8-13 range) alone.
Insein
Footballguy
I really hope this happens. Not that I have anything against Vick. Its just that his style of play will get him injured. Plus he doesn't seem to audible ever. We ripped Donovan for half the things Vick did this year. I just have a bad feeling if we keep Vick. Sign him to a reasonable long term deal then trade him to teams in need for a 1st and a 3rd.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Guess that was only a matter of time. But hey, maybe we can deal him and draft another Teo, I'm excited.
All kidding and pissedoffness aside they have to keep him. He'll be more valuable when Vick goes down then a 2nd round pick would be.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
It drives me nuts too think how poorly that game was called but we'll still have people talking about how Andy Reid is an "elite", "top 5", etc coach. I'm not going to go as far to say that he's got to go but will he EVER learn?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Exactly. We owe him less than $1.4mm next year. OF COURSE he wants to start or be traded, but that has absolutely no bearing on whether we will.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Curious on your opinion here Jason - what would you think of tagging Vick (assuming that's OK in next CBA) and trading him for a king's ransom (Oakland, anyone?)I say Oakland as Davis loves a guy like Vick and he'd way overpay.
Also, how was the stadium at the game (I assume you went)?
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CentralPA
Footballguy
I'd be apprehensive to trade Vick but if we could dramatically upgrade the offensive line and help out the secondary with the compensation I wouldn't mind giving it a shot. Like some one posted earlier, Vick is probably going to get himself banged up anyways with his style of play. As electrifying as he is, he just isn't that great of a pocket passing QB.
Here is a link to an article discussing how the Eagles could address CB, O line, and LB in free agency:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/113151989.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/113151989.html
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hey Jeff,Yes, I was at the stadium. It was COLD but rocking. I was proud of the way we kept the noise up and seemed to be the most energized I'd seen the stadium all year.
As to your question, I like the way you're thinking. I guess like all things it comes down to what we would define as king's ransom. To hand over what I think most perceive as an elite QB, we would need a monster return. And it seems that teams never give you what you want in that regard in today's era.
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