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Mussina should make it eventually. After Schilling who is his closest comp.
agreed. Schilling's postseason marks put him in.
Schilling's #1 B-R comp is Kevin Brown, who as we all know crashed and burned in his one HoF ballot appearance. Schilling will definitely fare better because of his post-season record and reputation with the voters.
Posada's got a MUCH better chance of making it than Pettitte. IMO, Jorge is a 50/50 shot. He's a really tough call if he puts up a few more good years and can pad his overall stats. If he doesn't make it, it'll be because his defense was marginal for a large portion of his career. Piazza and Pudge will certainly make it in first and Biggio will make it as well so does Posada make it in after those 3? Catchers are really underrepresented in the HOF.
If Bagwell wears the taint of roids, I'm sure Piazza will as well. Pudge is already on the books as one. Biggio is really not a catcher for these purposes. I think is Posada, even though he's not catching, has a sort of a pad the stats season(unlikely at 39) and can have a decent postseason and if he somehow won a 5th ring, I think he gets carried into the Hall. We are talking 10 years on the ballot though, but I agree he's got a better shot. Oddly, I never really liked Jorgie for the lions share of his time here. He was a guy who'd get in people's faces for not playing the Yankee way or whatever, and then pull his own boneheaded baseball play or act like a hot-headed idiot. But when I step back and look at his career, he's the third best catcher of this generation behind two very different, immortals.ETAI would not be the least bit surprised to hear Jorge used PEDs, he had some pretty big years late in his catching life.
Ignoring the PEDs, I think Pettite has some pretty impressive postseason credentials of his own. I don't think Pettitte or Schilling belong in the hall. But frankly, seeeing Edgar Martinez fare as well as he did, you can't underestimate the Yankee killer vote.
Surprised Neyer spent all that time making something of a case for Pettitte. There was little of his own opinion in there.I say he's out. I don't see any way he's worthy. And for the love of god, can we stop overvaluing wins as a metric of good pitching?
Pettite is a postseason compiler. He pitched essentially the same in the postseason as the regular season. No, the level of competition would be better over his postseson career, but he was basically a good pitcher in the playoffs, not great.
It's possible. There could be a Jack Morris-like revisionism about Pettitte's career. The two problems are keeping enough support to stay on the ballot for years 1-9 and the fact that nobody, not even the most delusional BBWAA member, could possibly say Pettitte was the best pitcher of his era.
Ouch! What's so bad about Morris that he needed a revision to make the HoF?I'll always remember Morris for the 10 inning complete game shutout in game 7 of the world series. The guy went beast mode and did what few could 3 ER over 23IP that WS against a very strong Braves lineup.
Matt Cain didn't allow an earned run in the playoffs last year.
Morris >>> Pettitte
Pettitte has a lower ERA, better winning %, better SO/9, better SO/BB, higher ERA+, has a higher career WAR in 2 less seasons.Morris has a lower WHIP, and 14 more wins.Pettite has pitched in 30 postseason series. From a quick glance, he was very good to excellent in half of them. OK in about 13 of them, and awful in 6 or 7.Morris has pitched in 7 postseason series. He was fantastic in three of them, OK in one of them, and god awful in the other 3.
All I'm really saying is that if they don't put Morris in, Pettitte should not be in either.the moops said:
oofyou were ####in owned
I didn't look it up but what did any of the four guys listed here win? Does Pettitte have more post seaon wins then these guys combined?
Always a good indication of HOF worthiness
