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Do the Majority of Your Leagues give 4 or 6 pts per passing TD? (1 Viewer)

4 or 6

  • 4 points per passing TD

    Votes: 62 38.5%

  • 6 points per passing TD

    Votes: 99 61.5%
  • Total voters
    161
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just a spin off off the Perfect Draft article which is based on 4 points per passing TD....I am just trying to get a feel if 4 points is still the norm.....seems to me, many leagues have moved on to 6 points, but I could be wrong.....I think this could make a big difference for some when employing the "wait on a QB strategy" that always seems to be a staple of the Perfect Draft article/strategy....

thanks for voting....

 
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We actually give 10 points for all TD's. As you can imagine there's a huge run on QB's. It doesn't really matter if you know how to use your leagues scoring system to draft sharkly.

 
Both my leagues are still 4 points. Would rather have 6 but doubt it will happen with the jokers I'm with.

 
'Stinkin Ref said:
just a spin off off the Perfect Draft article which is based on 4 points per passing TD....I am just trying to get a feel if 4 points is still the norm.....seems to me, many leagues have moved on to 6 points, but I could be wrong.....I think this could make a big difference for some when employing the "wait on a QB startegy" that always seems to be a staple of the Perfect Draft article/strategy....thanks for voting....
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A few years back there was a thread requesting FBGs make the standard scoring for content be 6 pts. I emailed MFL at the time and they responded with the percentages of their leagues that use the two different scoring systems. I don't recall the exact numbers, but 6 pt were more numerous. I want to say they had a 5% edge or so, but it's been 4+ years probably, I'm not sure now. I imagine they have an even bigger lead now.
 
'elshagon said:
We actually give 10 points for all TD's. As you can imagine there's a huge run on QB's. It doesn't really matter if you know how to use your leagues scoring system to draft sharkly.
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I recall the biggest surprise in the MFL stats was how many leagues were using something other than 4 or 6. I thought 4 and 6 pt leagues would be like 90%, but I want to say they were more like 60%-65% of all leagues.
 
I started playing in 95 and that league was 6 pts. Most of my leagues now are 6 points.

not sure how or when 4 ever became the norm. In fact until juts now, I didn't know that it was the norm :rolleyes:

 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
All my leagues are 5 points for passing TD's, all other TD's are 6 points.
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:goodposting: I think 4 points really devalues the QB position in fantasy. and let's be honest a great QB can make up for a lot in the real NFL. i like bonus for distance scoring as well.
 
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A TD is worth 6 points.

If the Qb throws it, it is still worth 6 points.

In all of my leagues, they are either 6 points or I try every year to go to 6 points. 4 points is arbitrary and stupid, IMO.

 
4 points per passing TD, 1 point per 25 yards passing in a 2QB league. The top 15 players in our league last year still had 12 QBs.

We do have yardage bonuses though. 5-10yds = 1pt, 11-20yds = 2pts, 21-30yds = 3pts, 31-40yds = 4pts, 41-50yds = 5pts, 50+ yard TD is an extra 6 points. So maximum 10 point for a TD pass of 50+ yards.

 
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'Instinctive said:
A TD is worth 6 points.If the Qb throws it, it is still worth 6 points.In all of my leagues, they are either 6 points or I try every year to go to 6 points. 4 points is arbitrary and stupid, IMO.
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The intent of 4 points for passing TD's is neither arbitrary or stupid. The intent is to make the QB/RB/WR positions be more equivalent in the pointsthat they score. This makes it more interesting for draft strategy when you may be just as likely to take a QB, RB, or WR in the first round. Ithink when you give 6 points for passing TD's then the QB's clearly score more than RB's and WR's, and it is almost crucial that you get a toppasser early in the draft. Since there are not 12 top passers, some teams get screwed.4 points per passing TD gives more options to build a good team even if you have a low first round draft pick.
 
'dhockster said:
'Instinctive said:
A TD is worth 6 points.If the Qb throws it, it is still worth 6 points.In all of my leagues, they are either 6 points or I try every year to go to 6 points. 4 points is arbitrary and stupid, IMO.
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The intent of 4 points for passing TD's is neither arbitrary or stupid. The intent is to make the QB/RB/WR positions be more equivalent in the pointsthat they score. This makes it more interesting for draft strategy when you may be just as likely to take a QB, RB, or WR in the first round. Ithink when you give 6 points for passing TD's then the QB's clearly score more than RB's and WR's, and it is almost crucial that you get a toppasser early in the draft. Since there are not 12 top passers, some teams get screwed.4 points per passing TD gives more options to build a good team even if you have a low first round draft pick.
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The theory is flawed however due to supply and demand of QBs vs S/D of RBs and WRs. However a thorough explanation of the effect of supply and demand will take this thread way too far off topic. So I will just agree with Instinctive that 4 points is stupid
 
'Shane Falco said:
'dhockster said:
'Instinctive said:
A TD is worth 6 points.If the Qb throws it, it is still worth 6 points.In all of my leagues, they are either 6 points or I try every year to go to 6 points. 4 points is arbitrary and stupid, IMO.
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The intent of 4 points for passing TD's is neither arbitrary or stupid. The intent is to make the QB/RB/WR positions be more equivalent in the pointsthat they score. This makes it more interesting for draft strategy when you may be just as likely to take a QB, RB, or WR in the first round. Ithink when you give 6 points for passing TD's then the QB's clearly score more than RB's and WR's, and it is almost crucial that you get a toppasser early in the draft. Since there are not 12 top passers, some teams get screwed.4 points per passing TD gives more options to build a good team even if you have a low first round draft pick.
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The theory is flawed however due to supply and demand of QBs vs S/D of RBs and WRs. However a thorough explanation of the effect of supply and demand will take this thread way too far off topic. So I will just agree with Instinctive that 4 points is stupid
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The topic is 6 vs 4 point passing TDs and why leagues have theirs set each way so it's not far off at all if you ask me. I agree with the guy you quoted and prefer 4 point passing TDs so would like to hear why you think it's a flawed argument to say people not able to get a top QB are at a disadvantage. Obviously 12 QBs aren't going picks 1-12 so everyone has a shot if they value a QB that high, but I agree with him in that it balances the draft more and doesn't put such a premium on getting one...I could be way off base since I prefer 4 pts, but that's just my experience.
 
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'aesclepius said:
'scrumptrulescent said:
'chidoy said:
6pts..a td is a td is a td.... No?
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6 points is how they score it in the NFL. 6 points is how we score it too. We're not big fans of socialism so we don't penalize QB's that do well.
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No QB is credited with 6 pts for throwing a TD pass in the NFL. The receiver, on the other hand, gets 6 pts for his team. The last time I looked the NFL didn't award 12 pts for a passing TD.
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So we shouldn't credit QBs any points in fantasy leagues for TDs?
 
'dhockster said:
The intent of 4 points for passing TD's is neither arbitrary or stupid. The intent is to make the QB/RB/WR positions be more equivalent in the pointsthat they score. This makes it more interesting for draft strategy when you may be just as likely to take a QB, RB, or WR in the first round. Ithink when you give 6 points for passing TD's then the QB's clearly score more than RB's and WR's, and it is almost crucial that you get a toppasser early in the draft. Since there are not 12 top passers, some teams get screwed.4 points per passing TD gives more options to build a good team even if you have a low first round draft pick.
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You're begging the question; in 6 point TD leagues, there are still more RBs and WRs taken in the first two rounds than QBs.
 
'squistion said:
'aesclepius said:
'scrumptrulescent said:
'chidoy said:
6pts..a td is a td is a td.... No?
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6 points is how they score it in the NFL. 6 points is how we score it too. We're not big fans of socialism so we don't penalize QB's that do well.
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No QB is credited with 6 pts for throwing a TD pass in the NFL. The receiver, on the other hand, gets 6 pts for his team. The last time I looked the NFL didn't award 12 pts for a passing TD.
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So we shouldn't credit QBs any points in fantasy leagues for TDs?
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Not the point. I am fine with awarding 3, 4, 6 or anything else you want for a passing TD. Just dont use the NFL as a justification for awarding 6. The NFL awards 0.
 
'Shane Falco said:
'dhockster said:
'Instinctive said:
A TD is worth 6 points.

If the Qb throws it, it is still worth 6 points.

In all of my leagues, they are either 6 points or I try every year to go to 6 points. 4 points is arbitrary and stupid, IMO.
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The intent of 4 points for passing TD's is neither arbitrary or stupid. The intent is to make the QB/RB/WR positions be more equivalent in the pointsthat they score. This makes it more interesting for draft strategy when you may be just as likely to take a QB, RB, or WR in the first round. I

think when you give 6 points for passing TD's then the QB's clearly score more than RB's and WR's, and it is almost crucial that you get a top

passer early in the draft. Since there are not 12 top passers, some teams get screwed.

4 points per passing TD gives more options to build a good team even if you have a low first round draft pick.
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The theory is flawed however due to supply and demand of QBs vs S/D of RBs and WRs. However a thorough explanation of the effect of supply and demand will take this thread way too far off topic. So I will just agree with Instinctive that 4 points is stupid
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Your intellect is staggering. I say this because there is no way I can refute the bolded above because there is no context to the statement. Well played, sir.
 
You want more balanced valuation in your drafts among positions? Go with 6 pt TD passes. Otherwise second and third tier RBs will be drafted ahead of the stud QBs, which I personally would not like at all. There's just something not right about Mike Turner being more valuable than Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.

 
I think when FF was first taking off, people looked at the total points for the season and saw QBs were outscoring other positions, and so made passing TDs 4 to reduce their points since they score 3x as many TDs as most positions.

However, I don't think they realized widely yet that a player's worth is based not on his total points. It is instead based on what he scores relative to his position. So more total points isn't an issue as long as all the QBs are scoring like that.

So unfortunately they tried to correct an overvalued QB problem that didn't exist. And in doing so they exasperated the problem that did exist, that top QBs were far less valuable than RBs.

So as people realized this, leagues started going to 6 pt TDs as there was no reason to have them 4, and there were reasons not to have them that if you want any semblance of parity for QBs. And of course we found that even that isn't enough to bring QBs even with RBs in value, and so a lot of leagues now are going to a 2nd QB or a super flex that can start a 2nd QB.

 
'LawFitz said:
You want more balanced valuation in your drafts among positions? Go with 6 pt TD passes. Otherwise second and third tier RBs will be drafted ahead of the stud QBs, which I personally would not like at all. There's just something not right about Mike Turner being more valuable than Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.
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it goes both ways - last year in my 6pt league Freeman was more valuable than Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice. I play in a 4pt and 6pt league - both PPR. The breakdown of top 20 by position:4pt - QB 6RB 8WR 66pt - QB 9RB 6WR 5based on last year you could argue the 4pt passing TD better spreads the top talent around by position. I don't think either is that much better than the other - they're just different.
 
'MarcO said:
'LawFitz said:
You want more balanced valuation in your drafts among positions? Go with 6 pt TD passes. Otherwise second and third tier RBs will be drafted ahead of the stud QBs, which I personally would not like at all. There's just something not right about Mike Turner being more valuable than Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.
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it goes both ways - last year in my 6pt league Freeman was more valuable than Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice.
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No, he wasn't. Josh Freeman had 27 VBD points last year, compared to 95 for Chris Johnson, 104 for Peterson, and 76 for Rice. (That's PFR scoring, but whatever your scoring is, Freeman's VBD total was lower.) That's why this year, Johnson, Peterson, and Rice are all being selected ahead of Josh Freeman in every draft. Go read a VBD article and come back when you understand what "valuable" means.
 
'Greg Russell said:
I think when FF was first taking off, people looked at the total points for the season and saw QBs were outscoring other positions, and so made passing TDs 4 to reduce their points since they score 3x as many TDs as most positions.However, I don't think they realized widely yet that a player's worth is based not on his total points. It is instead based on what he scores relative to his position. So more total points isn't an issue as long as all the QBs are scoring like that.So unfortunately they tried to correct an overvalued QB problem that didn't exist. And in doing so they exasperated the problem that did exist, that top QBs were far less valuable than RBs.So as people realized this, leagues started going to 6 pt TDs as there was no reason to have them 4, and there were reasons not to have them that if you want any semblance of parity for QBs. And of course we found that even that isn't enough to bring QBs even with RBs in value, and so a lot of leagues now are going to a 2nd QB or a super flex that can start a 2nd QB.
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The problem did get very annoyed.
 
'CalBear said:
'MarcO said:
'LawFitz said:
You want more balanced valuation in your drafts among positions? Go with 6 pt TD passes. Otherwise second and third tier RBs will be drafted ahead of the stud QBs, which I personally would not like at all. There's just something not right about Mike Turner being more valuable than Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.
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it goes both ways - last year in my 6pt league Freeman was more valuable than Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice.
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No, he wasn't. Josh Freeman had 27 VBD points last year, compared to 95 for Chris Johnson, 104 for Peterson, and 76 for Rice. (That's PFR scoring, but whatever your scoring is, Freeman's VBD total was lower.) That's why this year, Johnson, Peterson, and Rice are all being selected ahead of Josh Freeman in every draft. Go read a VBD article and come back when you understand what "valuable" means.
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Lighten up Francis - I misinterpreted what the poster meant. Actually, maybe I didn't as I can't think of any scoring system that would have Mike Turner as a higher VBD than Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady - unless a rushing TD was worth 10 points and a passing TD worth 3 - but it certainly would not result just from 4 pt passing TDs.

But to your "value" point - based on projections the breakdown is:

4pt -

QBs 5

RBs 11

WRs 4

6pts -

QBs 3

RBs 13

WRs 3

so, yeah 6pts does disperse the top talent a little better, but I still would say not enough to say one is any better than the other - just different. Players are still tiered pretty similarly.

 
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'CalBear said:
'MarcO said:
'LawFitz said:
You want more balanced valuation in your drafts among positions? Go with 6 pt TD passes. Otherwise second and third tier RBs will be drafted ahead of the stud QBs, which I personally would not like at all. There's just something not right about Mike Turner being more valuable than Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.
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it goes both ways - last year in my 6pt league Freeman was more valuable than Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice.
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No, he wasn't. Josh Freeman had 27 VBD points last year, compared to 95 for Chris Johnson, 104 for Peterson, and 76 for Rice. (That's PFR scoring, but whatever your scoring is, Freeman's VBD total was lower.) That's why this year, Johnson, Peterson, and Rice are all being selected ahead of Josh Freeman in every draft. Go read a VBD article and come back when you understand what "valuable" means.
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In my 6pt pass TD draft this past weekend, those three RBs went in Rd 1, while Freeman went in Rd 10. The difference is made in elite QB valuation... Vick, Rodgers, and Brady went Rd 1. As they should!... 4 pts per TD pass is an outdated broken scoring system IMHO.
 
'jon_mx said:
'Short Corner said:
'jon_mx said:
'Short Corner said:
'aesclepius said:
'chidoy said:
6pts..

a td is a td is a td.... No?
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No QB ever crossed the goal line while throwing a TD pass.
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Steve Young did.
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How? Brad Johnson actually threw a TD to himself.
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So did Young.
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When? His career stats reveal 0 receiving TD's. :shrug:
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Could have sworn he did it in 93-94, although I was smoking a lot of herb back then.
 
I think one of the biggest flaws with the entire fantasy football genre is that you can't listen to fantasy sports radio or even have a conversation with another fantasy footballer without disclosing a full rules explanation prior to the discussion to qualify your point.

It sure would be nice if there were a completely standardized system for scoring, transactions, starting lineup requirements, league size, playoffs, etc.

But there isn't, and most likely never will be.

We do 6 point TD's... i'm not sure if it's right or wrong.

We also only have 1 required RB start (although it's 2 if you flex one) so that there's not a sick run on RB's in the first few rounds.

Who knows.

But 3-4 QB's will be taken in the first 15 picks, and based on our points, VBD, etc... they aren't incorrect to do so.

The unfortunate part is that I can't read any particular article or advice that pertains exactly to my league/situation.

 
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