I wonder if there is any history between these two?"Deliberate play by the receiver to take out Talib. No attempt to get open"
"One if the worst plays I've seen"
This is a little out if character for BB to single out a player.
If he is it's concussion related. Players and coaches respect rings. Welker may have a wedding band.Belichick let Welker go and signed a lesser player (Amendola) for more money. That tell you all you need to know about how much Belichick dislikes Welker. I bet Welker is laughing his ### off.
That's what I thought initially. But then why would he call it one of the worst plays?I think he's saying it was a pick play -- not that Welker was trying to injure Talib. I thought it should have been a flag too.
Belichick doesn't have any that aren't tainted, either.If he is it's concussion related. Players and coaches respect rings. Welker may have a wedding band.Belichick let Welker go and signed a lesser player (Amendola) for more money. That tell you all you need to know about how much Belichick dislikes Welker. I bet Welker is laughing his ### off.
I am. It's the passive-aggressiveness that makes Belichick's sore losing so exceptionally comical, tedious, and reinforces why I do hate the Pats.I'm not a Brady or Pats hater but I do like when BB loses especially in a big game. I'm not going to say its Karma but he hasn't won since spy gate and its not going to get easier the older Brady gets.
what was cheap about it? NE runs rub routes too. if Denver was looking to make a hit on Talib why would they choose a 5'9" WR coming off 2 concussions?Its been pretty obvious for years that he and Welker don't really like each other. And i agree that it was a cheap play and a flag most definitely should have been thrown.
Did Belichick also offer his thoughts on Edelman's hit on Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, while he was at it?
Talb was Thomas's defender. It was an illegal pick because Welker impeded him way before the ball got there.Judge for yourself:
http://www.nepatriotslife.com/2014/01/video-wes-welkers-hit-knocks-aqib-talib.html
It was a block. There was no route being run here. Whether Welker threw a block/pick or ran a route does not matter because D Thomas touched the ball at the same time as the Welker/Talib impact. No reason for flags on a legal downfield block. It was a great play by Denver if that's indeed what they planned.
Stop crying, #####es.
I didn't say anything about Denver trying to injure Talib. He prolly would have done that on his own within a few plays anyways. Cheap play in that it was clear offensive interference and a flag should have been thrown.what was cheap about it? NE runs rub routes too. if Denver was looking to make a hit on Talib why would they choose a 5'9" WR coming off 2 concussions?Its been pretty obvious for years that he and Welker don't really like each other. And i agree that it was a cheap play and a flag most definitely should have been thrown.
I'm not sure Welker touched Talib before the ball got there, but he certainly didn't do so WAY before the ball got there. Contact looks simultaneous to me. Feel free to watch that replay and judge for yourself.Talb was Thomas's defender. It was an illegal pick because Welker impeded him way before the ball got there.Judge for yourself:
http://www.nepatriotslife.com/2014/01/video-wes-welkers-hit-knocks-aqib-talib.html
It was a block. There was no route being run here. Whether Welker threw a block/pick or ran a route does not matter because D Thomas touched the ball at the same time as the Welker/Talib impact. No reason for flags on a legal downfield block. It was a great play by Denver if that's indeed what they planned.
Stop crying, #####es.
Thanks for the freeze-frame. Definitely early with the contact, but extremely close. Both of these offenses get away with much, much more flagrant OPI a half dozen times a game. Nobody runs the pick play better or more often than the Broncos and the Patriots.I'm kind of surprised by people saying this was a cheap hit. He was a split second too early. The timing was a little off. He didn't hit him in an illegal way and Talib clearly saw him coming. Yes, after slowing it down frame by frame, you can see he's one frame early, but in game speed it's really difficult to make that call.
http://i.imgur.com/NKqE6g4.jpg
Welker impeded him way before the ball got there.
I agree with you if by "way before the ball got there" is the same as "at the same time".Talb was Thomas's defender. It was an illegal pick because Welker impeded him way before the ball got there.Judge for yourself:
http://www.nepatriotslife.com/2014/01/video-wes-welkers-hit-knocks-aqib-talib.html
It was a block. There was no route being run here. Whether Welker threw a block/pick or ran a route does not matter because D Thomas touched the ball at the same time as the Welker/Talib impact. No reason for flags on a legal downfield block. It was a great play by Denver if that's indeed what they planned.
Stop crying, #####es.
What goes around comes around. I enjoyed watching that play after it happened to drc.Did Belichick also offer his thoughts on Edelman's hit on Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, while he was at it?
There's no rule against running straight at a guy. All that matters is when they hit. The hit was made a split second before the ball touched DT's hands. I don't see how this is debatable? Watch the gif and look at the freeze frame I just posted.Welker impeded him way before the ball got there.
There's a difference between hitting him too early (barely) and picking him (not barely -- he ran straight at Talib while he was in coverage).
Thanks. I was gonna do it and I'm glad someone else did first!There's no rule against running straight at a guy. All that matters is when they hit. The hit was made a split second before the ball touched DT's hands. I don't see how this is debatable? Watch the gif and look at the freeze frame I just posted.Welker impeded him way before the ball got there.
There's a difference between hitting him too early (barely) and picking him (not barely -- he ran straight at Talib while he was in coverage).
Sure there is. If you run at him with no intention of catching a pass and force him to go around you (like, say, a pick in basketball) it's a (oddly enough) pick play. He doesn't have to plow through you to get the penalty if you're setting the pick intentionally.There's no rule against running straight at a guy. All that matters is when they hit. The hit was made a split second before the ball touched DT's hands. I don't see how this is debatable? Watch the gif and look at the freeze frame I just posted.Welker impeded him way before the ball got there.
There's a difference between hitting him too early (barely) and picking him (not barely -- he ran straight at Talib while he was in coverage).
I'll have to correct myself, because it isn't really sour grapes--that's a different sort of reaction to a loss. What it is is a Loser's Whine. (Do you get this whine from fermented sour grapes ?Sour grapes. And, BB's dislike of Welker, which makes makes Belichick seem like a petulant child. Technically, Welker hit him an instant too early, but at game speed your really can't say anything but that those things happen. There was nothing dirty about the hit itself, and if Talik doesn't get injured it would have been a non-issue. BB needs to grow up and take it like a man.
Part of the reason why they don't allow picks or blocks before the receivers gets the ball is not so much that the defender could have made a play on the ball . . . it's the 80 yard scamper after the catch that becomes the problem.Both the video and the screenshot make it pretty clear that Talib was not in position to make a play on the ball.
There is no defensive PI on an uncatchable ball. Seems like the same principle ought to apply to the defender w/r/t offensive PI.
People asking about thej hit on Talib. That is not a foul. Ball was touched by 88 about the same time as contact, Can't be OPI.
There was an ex nfl ref on weei earlier saying the exact opposite. Should have been called, welker impeded his progress even before they collided, etc. Half the problem with the NFL these days. Even the refs don't really know what the rules are and how to interpret them.Mike Pereira on Twatter...
People asking about thej hit on Talib. That is not a foul. Ball was touched by 88 about the same time as contact, Can't be OPI.
That is a pretty stupid post. Welker comes at him from in front, so Aqib can see him coming, and hits him shoulder to shoulder. Same as hundreds of other hits in the NFL. The fact that Aquib was injured was incidental; it could have just as easily been Welker.It was a nasty, dirty hit. Borderline illegal, but dirt nonetheless. There are pick plays, and then there is blowing up a team's best player. I'm not a big Belichek fan but I think he and the Pats got hosed on that play. It certainly changed the game dramatically.
I'm not sure we're talking about the same play here?It was a nasty, dirty hit. Borderline illegal, but dirt nonetheless. There are pick plays, and then there is blowing up a team's best player. I'm not a big Belichek fan but I think he and the Pats got hosed on that play. It certainly changed the game dramatically.