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I agree with all that (although I advise against saying it too loudly or too often in this thread...the natives are kind of touchy) but add to all that the fact that the Pats are playing some of the best defense they have since the salad days of the early oughts. That might be contributing to an overall more conservative approach (although the # of plays they run and the run/pass distribution is virtually identical to last year).
I am in a over a dozen dynasty leagues and he wouldn't last two seconds on the waiver wire if he were cut in any of them. I am curious about the league roster limits and what other RBs you have that you felt that he was expendable.
Only 10 teams. But it doesn't matter. The point is that he's not a difference maker in all but very deep leagues. He's not going to win you anything. He'll need you a few points some weeks, but you're fighting for mediocre there. I've learned in my years of doing this that upside wins. Let me cut that mediocre dead weight and take a shot at what could be the next Alfred Morris or Keenan Allen. That's how you win.
no. Bolden will get the carries then
Vereen's 25; he won't be 26 until next March. It seems like pretty much every year at least one guy "turns it around" at Vereen's age to become a reliable FF starter.
Hmmm...wish I could say you're wrong, but I can't.shadyridr said:
Tiki is the guy I think of when I think about Vereen.Bayhawks said:
When. The O-line through three games has allowed 7 sacks same as last year through three games. The O-line through three games has allowed 54 pressures, last year we had allowed 55 through three games. The problem is still the O-line, our receivers have gotten better, Vereen and Gronk are healthy, just have to get the pressure off Brady so he can actually make plays.
Except Vereen had a huge week 1 last year when the O-line and offense struggled, but hasn't done much of anything under similar circumstances this year.
Well that's possible but in the interim Ridley is out carrying Vereen 52-20 do you see that ratio changing before the line gets fixed (if it gets fixed)?
I think Ridley will out carry him, but I think the gap will close and I think Vereen will out touch him. ATM defenses have to give the Patriots offense very little credit, when Gronk is in on every down, they have to back off a little. If Wright steps up, they will have to back off even more. If the Oline improves at all, then it won't matter if they respect the offense at all, Brady will tear em up and Vereen will very much be a part of that. I expect Develin to get involved too.
Cause he filled a role in the offense no one else filled and his competition is a one dimensional back who does everything in his power to fumble at the worst time possible.
What got me to bite last year and to a lesser extent this year was no danny Woodhead. I thought he was going to get a nice bump on woodheads numbers making him a nice play every week.
I think Woodhead is better than Sprole/PT/Vereen.
unless they're crazy and try to repeat last week's game plan me thinks you'll be happy. Big week coming.
Just curious- why do you expect that? This is almost certainly Vereen's only chance at a nice payday, and it doesn't seem likely at all that the Pats offer what he'll get on the open market.
I'm confused about all of this winning with defense talk. Let's look:
They extended Woodhead in the past. As I said above, I'm confident Vereen fills a role in the offense no one else fills. I'm pretty confident they could get him for a relatively team friendly contract. In addition to being harder to find a replacement for (than Ridley who's replacement is likely already on the roster), Vereen has a pretty good grasp of the offense, which is substantially more important than have the physical ability to play his position.
considering his ffpc adp was 28, ya, id say a lot of ppl expected big things from this guy. i mean, if you read this thread a lot of ppl are predicting a lot of fantasy points for him. nice of you to stop now and let everyone know that he would suck.
And you just KNOW thisnis the week it will happen too on everyone's bench. Well, not on my bench. I have no choice but to keep sticking him in there every week until Mathews, moreno, and ingram come back.
They gave Woodhead 2 years at around $800k per, then let him walk when he got a couple million per from SD. I agree Vereen is fairly valuable to them, but it's not their MO to pay a lot for RBs.
