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Ok, so what is the highest temperature of a room that you can legally fill the balls in? I can't seem to find that in the rule book. What if it was 74, OK? 75? Still good. 76 well we'll let it slide. 77, guilty. And how on earth are they going to prove the temp. of the room at the time of inflation? I like the fact that you think this is so cut and dry? So many variables.
Why?
If they can prove someone from the Patriots removed air from the balls after the refs inspected them I definitely think there should be punishment. No question.
What if there is no proof as to anyone from the Pats removing air from the balls after all the evidence is in? Do we just sentence them because we think they did it? Add to that what if the forensics evidence doesn't rule out the possibility of the air pressure going down by a result of natural causes IE: the weather? Do you still penalize them then? Those who dismiss this scenario down the road are fooling themselves. Is it a guarantee, no? Is it very possible, yes. So tell me what you do as commish then?
Already saw this. Even the most avid Pats hater has to admit this is a joke. ESPN is going to cater to the 95% of the country who hate the Pats and as a business decision I don't blame them. It is what it is.ESPN Removed A Sports Science Video That Scientifically Proved Deflated Balls Didn't Give Tom Brady A Competitive Advantage. What A Bunch Of Crooked Bastids.
We may have a conspiracy on our hands, people.
ESPN Sports Science did an experiment where they deflated a football by 2 pounds and they proved, scientifically, that while such a ball would be easier to grip, the velocity would be reduced and the receiver would lose about an inch when attempting to catch the ball.
So, basically the Patriots did not have a competitive advantage in that Colts game and may have actually been at a disadvantage. And mysteriously, the video has been removed from ESPN.com:
Jesus H. Christ, I understand ESPN hates Tom Brady but this is a friggin joke. They're ignoring science so that the mindless haters can just keep on mindlessly hating. What a bunch of bull####.
I think we finally have our smoking gun that proves all of this Deflate-Gate garbage is nothing more than a media created witch hunt to drive up rating while pandering to the Patriot haters. Why else would ESPN hide the evidence that would end Deflate-Gate once and for all?
The #######s running ESPN ought to be ashamed of themselves. And if they're smart, they'll back the #### off of Tom Brady before Robert Kraft sues them for slander.
Anyway, thankfully nothing ever really dies on the internet. Someone uploaded the video to youtube (and it's still there as of right now). Here is the video that ESPN is trying to hide from us that would clear Tom Brady's name and shut up all the ignorant douchebags who irrationally hate the Patriots.
http://www.m#######sports.com/2015/01/espn-removed-sports-science-video-that.html?m=1
I think this argument is going to be about as cut and dry as global warming. You will have biased people on both sides. How ironic.
I'd guess nobody really cared about this. The article about fumble rates of the Pats correlating to the rule change is pretty crazy though.
I agree on all points. Everything boils down to the NFL being able to prove tampering. Deflated balls in and of themselves do not prove that regardless of the masses proclaiming it does. Will there be evidence to implicate them is the ?
I don't have time to read the whole article...can you just post a link with the readings from the refs log book?
Yup to all those thing.
got it. thx for the redirection. FWIW, I thought folks were relying solely on the King story which (as another poster noted) strangely stated that a gauge was used at halftime and postgame, but failed to use the same "gauge used" language for the pre-game inspection. anyway, that made my BS detector go off in a manner similar to the way it went off when I heard Brady confronted on the radio Monday morning with a non-denial laugh. That is, I tend to find as much info in what people do NOT say as I do in what they DO say.
There are countless reports that the balls were checked pre-game. The standard way of checking air-pressure is with a gauge. According to this video, that's exactly how the officials check the balls before EVERY game. Why do you need to see a report that specifically says "the balls were checked with a gauge?"
What a completely ridiculous article. The ball being easier to grip, catch, and hold onto massively more than makes up for any miniscule and unnoticeable loss in velocity.ESPN Removed A Sports Science Video That Scientifically Proved Deflated Balls Didn't Give Tom Brady A Competitive Advantage. What A Bunch Of Crooked Bastids.
We may have a conspiracy on our hands, people.
ESPN Sports Science did an experiment where they deflated a football by 2 pounds and they proved, scientifically, that while such a ball would be easier to grip, the velocity would be reduced and the receiver would lose about an inch when attempting to catch the ball.
So, basically the Patriots did not have a competitive advantage in that Colts game and may have actually been at a disadvantage. And mysteriously, the video has been removed from ESPN.com:
Jesus H. Christ, I understand ESPN hates Tom Brady but this is a friggin joke. They're ignoring science so that the mindless haters can just keep on mindlessly hating. What a bunch of bull####.
I think we finally have our smoking gun that proves all of this Deflate-Gate garbage is nothing more than a media created witch hunt to drive up rating while pandering to the Patriot haters. Why else would ESPN hide the evidence that would end Deflate-Gate once and for all?
The #######s running ESPN ought to be ashamed of themselves. And if they're smart, they'll back the #### off of Tom Brady before Robert Kraft sues them for slander.
Anyway, thankfully nothing ever really dies on the internet. Someone uploaded the video to youtube (and it's still there as of right now). Here is the video that ESPN is trying to hide from us that would clear Tom Brady's name and shut up all the ignorant douchebags who irrationally hate the Patriots.
http://www.m#######sports.com/2015/01/espn-removed-sports-science-video-that.html?m=1
Agreed. It's weird to see people clinging to this "maybe they filled the NE balls with hot air" thing. That would still be clear, unambiguous cheating.
I don't need a "report" I just need an official NFL confirmation because 1) I just find it a little hard to believe that referees were checking EVERY aspect of the football specifications (psi, length, weight, long circumference, short circumference) of 24 footballs. What if the Patriots footballs were found to be too oblong, would you find it odd if I told you I doubted that referees were measuring the long circumference of every one of the 24 footballs? Maybe psi is SO important that that it is the one measurement they are making on all 24 balls, maybe the inspection process does involve all the measurements specified above. I'm trying hard not to be a "homer" and I'm certainly not trying to obtuse. Just trying to understand what "checking" the balls pre-game actually means. In any acse, I have since be directed to a Boston Globe article that cites that the balls were gauged pre-game so assuming that is accurate (and the psi loss is not explainable by temp change from indoor to outdoor) then it would certainly strongly suggest that the Patriots tampered with the balls AFTER the pre-game inspection. And that's all I need to implicate Brady as is find it inconceivable that IF tampering occurred after the pre-game inspection that it would be done WITHOUT his knowledge/acceptance/direction.
I disagree with point 1. All this discussion over something that didn't effect the outcome of game. The amount of media scrutiny on football PSI rivals that of bountygate - where a teams actions directly effected the outcome of a championship game. What it comes down to we have 100,000 plus sports reporters with nothing interesting to talk about because the favorites made it to the Super Bowl. I wish this story would just go away. It has grown tiresome.
The problem is that it is not in the rule book. What is the highest temperature that can be used? What's the lowest? Does it have to be air? What about nitrogen? Helium? Can you fart in a ball? I don't know, what is the rule? If there are no parameters then where do you decide on what is legal and what isn't? It would be like penalizing someone for over/under inflating the ball with no PSI limits.
Personally, i just see it more of a weigh in scenario. If the rules specifically say that they must be checked pregame and inspected and not tampered with during the game, then one of those situations sticks to that rule and one does not. Purposely letting air out after is worse to me.
all eyes will be on them from the psi of the football to the length of their laces. If they win the game it will be 100% legitimate.
I think critical to this entire investigation was how the balls were measured at half time. Ideally, if you are truly running an even test, all the balls, colts and pats, are tested exactly the same way, in the same type of environment, at the same time.
I doubt the rules are written this way, but it really comes down to accountability. The Patriots should be held accountable that they are using balls which are within the rules. There shouldn't be any attempt to try to manipulate the way the balls are measured or any care if they do as long as the ones they run their plays with are correct.
I disagree. If SEA loses, I think a lot of people are going to view Baltimore as the unofficial champion.
Not to annoy you further, but at the time the Pats (allegedly) were to have let air out of all the footballs after they were properly inspected, would that a) have been intentional, b) broken the rules, c) did so to benefit their team? If the answers to those are YES (and it should be), the outcome of the game does not matter to the issue of NE having broken the rules. Either they broke the rules or they didn't, and the outcome of the came has nothing to do with that.
That would be really dumb, since there is no way of knowing if Baltimore would have beaten Indy, much less Seattle.
