Are you for or against taking in Syrian refugees? (1 Viewer)

[GrandpaRox]

Not a yes or no question for me.

In general, absolutely we should accept refugees.

As we do, we need to screen them to make sure we are not accepting in people who would seek to do us harm. Even the best of the best vetting programs in ideal conditions will fail. Look at people like Nidal Hasan (Ft Hood shooter- US Army), Bradley Manning (Wikileaks- US Army), and Edward Snowden (Intelligence leaked- NSA) to name a few high profile. A vetting program for Syrian refugees has no data bases that would provide much needed data other than if the person already is on the CIA or FBI radars and we can not interview or investigate in the war torn area. The vetting process is flawed to begin with. Officials in the Obama Administration have given various warnings before all of this saying as much. We already have cases of arrests made in the US accused of plots in the name of Daesh and or other jihadist movements. So, the idea that refugees may pose a threat is not an unthinkable occurrence. So, how many can we properly screen? Not many I would think.

I also have issue with having read reports that Iraqi Christians have been denied visas. I am at a loss to explain that. The people that at most under threat and they are not allowed to come in under this administration? It does not add up.

I think we do need to accept refugees but not at the expense of common sense. The threat is not made up or imagined. The threat is real. We have to act accordingly.

we cannot actually want to consider one's religion when considering if they can come to this country. That's about as clearly unconstitutional as I can think of.

Like you really believe that is the reason. I know you are not this stupid so I can only assume you are

Obama with his way to get around the Constitution executive actions only cares about the Constitution when it suits his needs, much like most Liberals.

 

[Chadstroma]

Not a yes or no question for me.

In general, absolutely we should accept refugees.

As we do, we need to screen them to make sure we are not accepting in people who would seek to do us harm. Even the best of the best vetting programs in ideal conditions will fail. Look at people like Nidal Hasan (Ft Hood shooter- US Army), Bradley Manning (Wikileaks- US Army), and Edward Snowden (Intelligence leaked- NSA) to name a few high profile. A vetting program for Syrian refugees has no data bases that would provide much needed data other than if the person already is on the CIA or FBI radars and we can not interview or investigate in the war torn area. The vetting process is flawed to begin with. Officials in the Obama Administration have given various warnings before all of this saying as much. We already have cases of arrests made in the US accused of plots in the name of Daesh and or other jihadist movements. So, the idea that refugees may pose a threat is not an unthinkable occurrence. So, how many can we properly screen? Not many I would think.

I also have issue with having read reports that Iraqi Christians have been denied visas. I am at a loss to explain that. The people that at most under threat and they are not allowed to come in under this administration? It does not add up.

I think we do need to accept refugees but not at the expense of common sense. The threat is not made up or imagined. The threat is real. We have to act accordingly.

we cannot actually want to consider one's religion when considering if they can come to this country. That's about as clearly unconstitutional as I can think of.

Not directly- no. I don't care if a refugee is Muslim or Christian but I do care about if they are potentially a threat or not. An Iraqi Muslim- maybe. An Iraqi Christian? Nope. My understanding is that these Iraqi's (where we have access to information from years of us being there and collecting data) were sponsored and had everything in place but were still denied. Why? Further, refugee status is often given due to the potential of the refugee being under threat of harm. You know what happens if you are Christian and Daesh comes to town? They offer you the chance to renounce your faith, send your daughters to the jihadists as brides and send your sons to fight for Daesh or die. No other options.

 

[Statorama]

I also have issue with having read reports that Iraqi Christians have been denied visas. I am at a loss to explain that. The people that at most under threat and they are not allowed to come in under this administration? It does not add up.

Not to hijack, but given the way this administration turned it's back on the Iranian Green Movement (and their complete refusal to acknowledge the outright slaughter of Christians in Africa) it shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

 

[Wrigley]

Yes, terrorism starts when people take "Look At Me" to the extreme.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3323776/Missouri-supporters-tweet-outrage-Paris-attacks-took-spotlight-away-movement.html

taken from your link

A student group started protesting earlier this semester, after a group of white people allegedly yelled racial slurs at a student body leader and a stastika was drawn in feces in a campus bathroom. Above, some Missouri protesters assembled on the school's quad on November 9

I'd be pissed too, if I knew what it was.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Not a yes or no question for me.

In general, absolutely we should accept refugees.

As we do, we need to screen them to make sure we are not accepting in people who would seek to do us harm. Even the best of the best vetting programs in ideal conditions will fail. Look at people like Nidal Hasan (Ft Hood shooter- US Army), Bradley Manning (Wikileaks- US Army), and Edward Snowden (Intelligence leaked- NSA) to name a few high profile. A vetting program for Syrian refugees has no data bases that would provide much needed data other than if the person already is on the CIA or FBI radars and we can not interview or investigate in the war torn area. The vetting process is flawed to begin with. Officials in the Obama Administration have given various warnings before all of this saying as much. We already have cases of arrests made in the US accused of plots in the name of Daesh and or other jihadist movements. So, the idea that refugees may pose a threat is not an unthinkable occurrence. So, how many can we properly screen? Not many I would think.

I also have issue with having read reports that Iraqi Christians have been denied visas. I am at a loss to explain that. The people that at most under threat and they are not allowed to come in under this administration? It does not add up.

I think we do need to accept refugees but not at the expense of common sense. The threat is not made up or imagined. The threat is real. We have to act accordingly.

we cannot actually want to consider one's religion when considering if they can come to this country. That's about as clearly unconstitutional as I can think of.

Like you really believe that is the reason. I know you are not this stupid so I can only assume you are

Obama with his way to get around the Constitution executive actions only cares about the Constitution when it suits his needs, much like most Liberals.

Daaaaaaaamn!

 

[Steve Tasker]

You know what happens if you are Christian and Daesh comes to town? They offer you the chance to renounce your faith

Do they even do that? I would've assumed they'd just murder all Christians regardless.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Not a yes or no question for me.

In general, absolutely we should accept refugees.

As we do, we need to screen them to make sure we are not accepting in people who would seek to do us harm. Even the best of the best vetting programs in ideal conditions will fail. Look at people like Nidal Hasan (Ft Hood shooter- US Army), Bradley Manning (Wikileaks- US Army), and Edward Snowden (Intelligence leaked- NSA) to name a few high profile. A vetting program for Syrian refugees has no data bases that would provide much needed data other than if the person already is on the CIA or FBI radars and we can not interview or investigate in the war torn area. The vetting process is flawed to begin with. Officials in the Obama Administration have given various warnings before all of this saying as much. We already have cases of arrests made in the US accused of plots in the name of Daesh and or other jihadist movements. So, the idea that refugees may pose a threat is not an unthinkable occurrence. So, how many can we properly screen? Not many I would think.

I also have issue with having read reports that Iraqi Christians have been denied visas. I am at a loss to explain that. The people that at most under threat and they are not allowed to come in under this administration? It does not add up.

I think we do need to accept refugees but not at the expense of common sense. The threat is not made up or imagined. The threat is real. We have to act accordingly.

we cannot actually want to consider one's religion when considering if they can come to this country. That's about as clearly unconstitutional as I can think of.

Like you really believe that is the reason. I know you are not this stupid so I can only assume you are

Obama with his way to get around the Constitution executive actions only cares about the Constitution when it suits his needs, much like most Liberals.

Gotta respect the way Grandpa Rox's posts maintain an ever-so-slight resemblance to actual things that some people think and say. It's just enough to make you wonder for just a moment if he might actually believe this stuff. Eminence could learn a thing or two from his elder.

 

[GrandpaRox]

Yeah let Obama take them in.

"All of Europe should now be opposed to the migrants," said Cristian Albu, a legal expert in Romania. "We have to prevent what happened in Paris happening elsewhere."

Even some of the migrants themselves are worried about the security gaps that have come with the largest movement of refugees across European borders since World War II. Some say they fear that the same Islamic State extremists they are fleeing will infiltrate the masses of migrants, carry out more attacks and create greater distrust of legitimate asylum-seekers.

"Europe made a big mistake. They should not allow all the people," said Emile Tarabeh, a customs officer from Syria at a migrant center in Presevo, Serbia, who is hoping to reach Sweden.

Well, I'm sold.

Well this is just the start. I would listen more to the people involved a whole lot more than anyone on this board or anyone in this Administration.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Yes, terrorism starts when people take "Look At Me" to the extreme.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3323776/Missouri-supporters-tweet-outrage-Paris-attacks-took-spotlight-away-movement.html

taken from your link

A student group started protesting earlier this semester, after a group of white people allegedly yelled racial slurs at a student body leader and a stastika was drawn in feces in a campus bathroom. Above, some Missouri protesters assembled on the school's quad on November 9

I'd be pissed too, if I knew what it was.

I have been looking for the picture on Twitter...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You know what happens if you are Christian and Daesh comes to town? They offer you the chance to renounce your faith

Do they even do that? I would've assumed they'd just murder all Christians regardless.

Yes. You can choose to pay a tax.

 

[jabarony]

I guess for Grandpa and others, we should probably discuss how refugees are re-settled.

The federal government can't conscript state governments into its refugee/relocation plans, so instead it works with local charities - often Catholic Charities because they do a huge amount of immigration work. The feds give a one-time assistance payment of about $1000 to help the family get set up. Catholic Charities (or whatever organization) keeps them in a halfway house (usually owned or long-term rented by the organization) until an apartment is found, rented, and furnished/stocked by volunteers and the family goes out and gets jobs in order to support themselves. Then they move in. Then you almost never hear about them being refugees until someone writes a feel-good piece about them.

Look through that whole thing and let me know where the part is that they should stay inside some random person's house.

So, donate a few $ k to Catholic charities, then?

 

[timschochet]

I don't think we should allow any Christians to come in. Only Muslims. Also gays and Mexicans.

In fact, gay Muslim Mexicans would be perfect. Juan "Disco" Muhammad- guys like that.

 

[Christo]

Chicago tells Rauner to take a flying leap.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Yeah let Obama take them in.

"All of Europe should now be opposed to the migrants," said Cristian Albu, a legal expert in Romania. "We have to prevent what happened in Paris happening elsewhere."

Even some of the migrants themselves are worried about the security gaps that have come with the largest movement of refugees across European borders since World War II. Some say they fear that the same Islamic State extremists they are fleeing will infiltrate the masses of migrants, carry out more attacks and create greater distrust of legitimate asylum-seekers.

"Europe made a big mistake. They should not allow all the people," said Emile Tarabeh, a customs officer from Syria at a migrant center in Presevo, Serbia, who is hoping to reach Sweden.

Well, I'm sold.

Well this is just the start. I would listen more to the people involved a whole lot more than anyone on this board or anyone in this Administration.

Of course you would.

 

[Chadstroma]

I also have issue with having read reports that Iraqi Christians have been denied visas. I am at a loss to explain that. The people that at most under threat and they are not allowed to come in under this administration? It does not add up.

Not to hijack, but given the way this administration turned it's back on the Iranian Green Movement (and their complete refusal to acknowledge the outright slaughter of Christians in Africa) it shouldn't come as much of a surprise.

This administration seems to like to turn their eyes, whistle a tune and walk a little faster down the road and hopefully everything works out.

 

[Eminence]

Chicago tells Rauner to take a flying leap.

That's bogus. I'm a huge Rauner fan.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Chicago tells Rauner to take a flying leap.

Speaking of local approaches, this guy in Roanoke, VA is amazing. Standard "no refugees for us!" line, but then he takes it up a notch by seeming to cite with approval the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII.

 

[Chadstroma]

You know what happens if you are Christian and Daesh comes to town? They offer you the chance to renounce your faith

Do they even do that? I would've assumed they'd just murder all Christians regardless.

Yes, by the Koran they are suppose to give that option.

I did leave out the tax but from the reports I have read the tax is so outrageous it is basically not an option.

 

[Brony]

We'll give some land to the N#####s and the Chinks, but not the Irish.

 

[SWC]

the worst part of this all is that i used to like einstien and now i just think he is a huge racist zeonphobe that is not cool bromigos take that to the bank

 

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Daily Mail is a so-so source, but intriguing article.

Still feel the lack of resources are a far greater deterrent to our attempting to take on Syrian Refugrees...

 

[timschochet]

Chicago tells Rauner to take a flying leap.

Speaking of local approaches, this guy in Roanoke, VA is amazing. Standard "no refugees for us!" line, but then he takes it up a notch by seeming to cite with approval the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII.

Nothing new there. Right after 9/11 Michele Malkin wrote a book called "In Defense of Internment" in which she not only justified what was done to the Nisei but suggested we might have to do it again for Muslims. It's still available on her website.

 

[jon_mx]

So what if ISIS pulls off something in New York?

 

[moleculo]

So what if ISIS pulls off something in New York?

I think we have to assume they will. It's only a matter of time.

Of course, Al-Queda already did, and none of those guys used the refugee path to enter this country, so not really sure how it's related.

 

[GrandpaRox]

Yeah let Obama take them in.

"All of Europe should now be opposed to the migrants," said Cristian Albu, a legal expert in Romania. "We have to prevent what happened in Paris happening elsewhere."

Even some of the migrants themselves are worried about the security gaps that have come with the largest movement of refugees across European borders since World War II. Some say they fear that the same Islamic State extremists they are fleeing will infiltrate the masses of migrants, carry out more attacks and create greater distrust of legitimate asylum-seekers.

"Europe made a big mistake. They should not allow all the people," said Emile Tarabeh, a customs officer from Syria at a migrant center in Presevo, Serbia, who is hoping to reach Sweden.

Well, I'm sold.

Well this is just the start. I would listen more to the people involved a whole lot more than anyone on this board or anyone in this Administration.

Of course you would.

So if you were trying to become a great pitcher you would listen to the advice of the people on this board and the Administration over Sonny Grey, Dallas Keuchel, David Price or Clayton Kershaw. Nice to ignore the very people living it.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Yeah let Obama take them in.

"All of Europe should now be opposed to the migrants," said Cristian Albu, a legal expert in Romania. "We have to prevent what happened in Paris happening elsewhere."

Even some of the migrants themselves are worried about the security gaps that have come with the largest movement of refugees across European borders since World War II. Some say they fear that the same Islamic State extremists they are fleeing will infiltrate the masses of migrants, carry out more attacks and create greater distrust of legitimate asylum-seekers.

"Europe made a big mistake. They should not allow all the people," said Emile Tarabeh, a customs officer from Syria at a migrant center in Presevo, Serbia, who is hoping to reach Sweden.

Well, I'm sold.

Well this is just the start. I would listen more to the people involved a whole lot more than anyone on this board or anyone in this Administration.

Of course you would.

So if you were trying to become a great pitcher you would listen to the advice of the people on this board and the Administration over Sonny Grey, Dallas Keuchel, David Price or Clayton Kershaw. Nice to ignore the very people living it.

wtf

 

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5 Syrians with stolen greek passports destined for US are detained in Honduras

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

5 Syrians with stolen greek passports destined for US are detained in Honduras

Were they refugees?

 

[Chadstroma]

So what if ISIS pulls off something in New York?

Listen... we are reliving history.

1993- First WTC Bombing

1995- Bombing US HQ in Riyadh

1996- Bombing Khobar Towers in Riyadh

1998- Embassy bombings (plural)

2000- USS Cole bombing

2000- Bombing plaza US Embassy in Manila

9-11

And a whole crap load of foiled plots.

What was the reaction of all of those before 9-11? See what we are doing now. Almost exactly.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Chicago tells Rauner to take a flying leap.

Speaking of local approaches, this guy in Roanoke, VA is amazing. Standard "no refugees for us!" line, but then he takes it up a notch by seeming to cite with approval the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII.

Nothing new there. Right after 9/11 Michele Malkin wrote a book called "In Defense of Internment" in which she not only justified what was done to the Nisei but suggested we might have to do it again for Muslims. It's still available on her website.

Except the Roanoke mayor is a Democrat. Stupidity knows no party lines.

 

[timschochet]

Ironic that the guy GrandpaRox features on his avatar was the most famous refugee in our history. Albert spent much of his time here pleading with the US government to take in more refugees. He would be horrified and disgusted that his photo was being used in connection with a position he would consider to be reprehensible.

 

[bud29]

Yeah let Obama take them in.

"All of Europe should now be opposed to the migrants," said Cristian Albu, a legal expert in Romania. "We have to prevent what happened in Paris happening elsewhere."

Even some of the migrants themselves are worried about the security gaps that have come with the largest movement of refugees across European borders since World War II. Some say they fear that the same Islamic State extremists they are fleeing will infiltrate the masses of migrants, carry out more attacks and create greater distrust of legitimate asylum-seekers.

"Europe made a big mistake. They should not allow all the people," said Emile Tarabeh, a customs officer from Syria at a migrant center in Presevo, Serbia, who is hoping to reach Sweden.

Well, I'm sold.

Well this is just the start. I would listen more to the people involved a whole lot more than anyone on this board or anyone in this Administration.

Of course you would.

So if you were trying to become a great pitcher you would listen to the advice of the people on this board and the Administration over Sonny Grey, Dallas Keuchel, David Price or Clayton Kershaw. Nice to ignore the very people living it.

Go Royals

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

So what if ISIS pulls off something in New York?

Listen... we are reliving history.

1993- First WTC Bombing

1995- Bombing US HQ in Riyadh

1996- Bombing Khobar Towers in Riyadh

1998- Embassy bombings (plural)

2000- USS Cole bombing

2000- Bombing plaza US Embassy in Manila

9-11

And a whole crap load of foiled plots.

What was the reaction of all of those before 9-11? See what we are doing now. Almost exactly.

Wait...those acts were all committed by refugees?

 

[Chadstroma]

So what if ISIS pulls off something in New York?

Listen... we are reliving history.

1993- First WTC Bombing

1995- Bombing US HQ in Riyadh

1996- Bombing Khobar Towers in Riyadh

1998- Embassy bombings (plural)

2000- USS Cole bombing

2000- Bombing plaza US Embassy in Manila

9-11

And a whole crap load of foiled plots.

What was the reaction of all of those before 9-11? See what we are doing now. Almost exactly.

Wait...those acts were all committed by refugees?

Was not referring to refugees in that post.

 

[Henry Ford]

Nah no way this would EVER happen:

Police in Honduras caught five Syrians who were trying to make their way to the United States with stolen and doctored passports, a police spokesman in Tegucigalpa told Reuters Wednesday.

Lisa Daftari ‏@LisaDaftari 2h2 hours ago
Breaking: 5 Syrians arrested at airport in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, attempting to enter the US w/stolen Greek passports, according to police.

5 Syrians with stolen greek passports destined for US are detained in Honduras

Wow. Fifteen in one day is a lot.

 

[GrandpaRox]

5 Syrians with stolen greek passports destined for US are detained in Honduras

Already posted but some here cannot equate that to immigrants invited in. So shortsighted and ignorant.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Ironic that the guy GrandpaRox features on his avatar was the most famous refugee in our history. Albert spent much of his time here pleading with the US government to take in more refugees. He would be horrified and disgusted that his photo was being used in connection with a position he would consider to be reprehensible.

I think he'd MAYBE give it an eyeroll if he even thought of it at all. Take a breath, Tim.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

So what if ISIS pulls off something in New York?

Listen... we are reliving history.

1993- First WTC Bombing

1995- Bombing US HQ in Riyadh

1996- Bombing Khobar Towers in Riyadh

1998- Embassy bombings (plural)

2000- USS Cole bombing

2000- Bombing plaza US Embassy in Manila

9-11

And a whole crap load of foiled plots.

What was the reaction of all of those before 9-11? See what we are doing now. Almost exactly.

Wait...those acts were all committed by refugees?

Was not referring to refugees in that post.

Groovy.

 

[jon_mx]

Nah no way this would EVER happen:

Police in Honduras caught five Syrians who were trying to make their way to the United States with stolen and doctored passports, a police spokesman in Tegucigalpa told Reuters Wednesday.

Lisa Daftari ‏@LisaDaftari 2h2 hours ago

Breaking: 5 Syrians arrested at airport in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, attempting to enter the US w/stolen Greek passports, according to police.

5 Syrians with stolen greek passports destined for US are detained in Honduras

Wow. Fifteen in one day is a lot.

It is up to about 45 now.

 

[GrandpaRox]

Ironic that the guy GrandpaRox features on his avatar was the most famous refugee in our history. Albert spent much of his time here pleading with the US government to take in more refugees. He would be horrified and disgusted that his photo was being used in connection with a position he would consider to be reprehensible.

I knew he looked familiar somehow.

The human race is horrified and disgusted at 90,1% of your postings. Only .4% agree with them.

 

[SWC]

i just aided myself to a hostess cherry pie they are the best and i am not a refugee so no one is going to cut me off when i go in for sweet lady hostess numero dos take that to the bank bromigos

 

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Nah no way this would EVER happen:

Police in Honduras caught five Syrians who were trying to make their way to the United States with stolen and doctored passports, a police spokesman in Tegucigalpa told Reuters Wednesday.

Lisa Daftari ‏@LisaDaftari 2h2 hours ago

Breaking: 5 Syrians arrested at airport in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, attempting to enter the US w/stolen Greek passports, according to police.

5 Syrians with stolen greek passports destined for US are detained in Honduras

Wow. Fifteen in one day is a lot.

It is up to about 45 now.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/18/us-france-shooting-honduras-idUSKCN0T72UE20151118#EBp1J7OlAM15t2os.97

50! ZOMG!

 

[McGarnicle]

Ironic that the guy GrandpaRox features on his avatar was the most famous refugee in our history. Albert spent much of his time here pleading with the US government to take in more refugees. He would be horrified and disgusted that his photo was being used in connection with a position he would consider to be reprehensible.

I knew he looked familiar somehow.The human race is horrified and disgusted at 90,1% of your postings. Only .4% agree with them.

Well look at you coming out of nowhere and trolling like a pro. Good stuff. I may need to cut and paste some of your stuff for other threads if that's okay.

 

[GrandpaRox]

Nah no way this would EVER happen:

Police in Honduras caught five Syrians who were trying to make their way to the United States with stolen and doctored passports, a police spokesman in Tegucigalpa told Reuters Wednesday.

Lisa Daftari ‏@LisaDaftari 2h2 hours ago
Breaking: 5 Syrians arrested at airport in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, attempting to enter the US w/stolen Greek passports, according to police.

5 Syrians with stolen greek passports destined for US are detained in Honduras

Wow. Fifteen in one day is a lot.

It took 8 to bring down France in a few hours. It took less than 15 to take down both towers on 911.

Your premise is ludicrous, please stop while you are behind.

Not to mention distasteful and irreverent.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/21/us/where-syrian-refugees-are-in-the-united-states.html

100% for it.

This is may be bit of minutia perhaps but I think we should fast track the most attractive women over the age of 18.

We should use the Offdee scale as well to determine said hotness.

 

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Do we hear 55!?

 

[Henry Ford]

Nah no way this would EVER happen:

Police in Honduras caught five Syrians who were trying to make their way to the United States with stolen and doctored passports, a police spokesman in Tegucigalpa told Reuters Wednesday.

Lisa Daftari ‏@LisaDaftari 2h2 hours ago
Breaking: 5 Syrians arrested at airport in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, attempting to enter the US w/stolen Greek passports, according to police.

5 Syrians with stolen greek passports destined for US are detained in Honduras

Wow. Fifteen in one day is a lot.

It took 8 to bring down France in a few hours. It took less than 15 to take down both towers on 911.

Your premise is ludicrous, please stop while you are behind.

Not to mention distasteful and irreverent.

Which premise is ludicrous, distasteful and irreverant?

 

[Brony]

What would Tom Petty do?

 

[joffer]

Voted for, but I can understand the argument against.

What I don't understand is if what happened in Paris suddenly changed your answer.

 

[Jobber]

If we screen them extensively before consideration, yes.

If we pull a EU and allow in anyone who claims to be Syrian, no.