There was a thread on dynastyleaguefootball's forum where they ranked players from 2016 and 2017's class together. Most had Zeke either third or fourth on the list.Thoughts on Elliot's value (assuming he is a top 15 draft pick) relative to 2017 draft picks
I would value him as a top 2, maybe 3 depending on how much you like Fournette, chubb, cook. Meaning I would need a top 3 2017 pick at least, for me to wanna move any pick where i was guaranteed Zeke. But I am higher on him than most.Thoughts on Elliot's value (assuming he is a top 15 draft pick) relative to 2017 draft picks
You know who they are after? if so, I might gamble and wait til youre OTC and see if he will give you more. Could blow up in your face thoSo I have the #4 pick this year. I can trade it for an unknown, but very likely top 4 pick next year. Do it straight up?
I think you'd be better off using the pick and then trading that guy for a 2017 pick later.So I have the #4 pick this year. I can trade it for an unknown, but very likely top 4 pick next year. Do it straight up?
I have Elliott in the same tier as the top 2017 RB's. Elliott is the same age as the 2017 guys (younger than Fournette, a few months older than Chubb/Cook), plus we know for sure he's graded as a top prospect coming into the NFL. A lot can happen to a players value in college, i'd definitely take the elite bird in the hand.I would value him as a top 2, maybe 3 depending on how much you like Fournette, chubb, cook. Meaning I would need a top 3 2017 pick at least, for me to wanna move any pick where i was guaranteed Zeke. But I am higher on him than most.
If you were afraid of the manning retirement the time to sell him was two years ago. If you're speculating on a guy who made some big plays with tebow under center and hoping they have something better than Tebow at qb this year take a chance. I would probably buy for a late first if I needed a high upside guy at receiver but I wouldn't count on him. I wouldn't give a top six pick and personally I wouldn't give 1.9 or earlier.How are we feeling about DT currently?
I am a potential seller in one league and potential buyer in another.
Almost nonexistent.Thoughts on zack zenner dynasty value long term vs now??
now very little. Long term likely zero value.Thoughts on zack zenner dynasty value long term vs now??
Agreed but I've read that a team (Miami?) might be interested in trading for him. If I had a rebuild team with roster space I might be willing to stash him. He'd be a throw in as a part of a bigger trade. Not worth even a late round pick currently.Almost nonexistent.
His price is for sure dropping. It's not a ton to go on but based on draft results of FFPC small time $35-77 DE leagues he's starting to go in third round of redrafts. Going back to pre-FA, when he was starting to go for bargain type prices, his stock has fallen arguably as much as any player who was getting picked in first 2-3 rounds.Borden said:DT, is worth way more than 1.09 in this years draft. I like Zeke (1.01) more than DT but I'd give the 1.02 for DT. Rookies still have a high fail rate. With DT I'm guarenteed a #1 with proven production.
I haven't been a buyer of DT because of the QB situation but this might be a good to buy low if people think the sky is falling.
If he has a productive season for you at age 28, you don't HAVE TO trade him the next season. I understand why people talk about players losing trade value and treating the game like a stock market to some extent (those are all essential elements), but sometimes we fail to see the forest for the trees, and forget that ultimately the game is about production. If some one can get Thomas now at a relative discount and he has three highly productive seasons does it matter that in year 4 you'd need to sell him for even less because he's entering his age 31 season?bostonfred said:Let's keep this conversation productive. We obviously disagree on his value. The next question is should you try to buy him now. I say no, and not just because I'm down on him going forward.
Let's say he has a bad year. Buying him now you're going to pay "this receiver will be 28 at the start of the season and just had 100/1300" prices. At the end of the year, you'll be able to sell him for "this guy is entering his age 30 season and the qb situation sucks". That's a huge loss in value unless you can get him cheap. Which is why I would only try to get him cheap.
But let's say he has a good year. Is his value going to go up? At the end of the year you're still going to have a guy entering his age 30 season. You won't get much more for him than you paid for him unless you buy him cheap. So you can lose a lot of value but can't gain much. That's generally a bad bet.
So when can you get him cheapest? Draft day is usually good, with rookie fever in effect. Some owners might fall in love with a guy and you can do a deal when he's still available late.
But i think you gain the most by waiting until week 3 or so. There's a good chance sanders starts off the year looking like the number one. All you need is a couple fairly likely mediocre weeks and you can capitalize on the fear. That's when you buy a guy like this. If you miss out, oh well. It was never going to be a great buy anyways. You don't need to have every good player.
This is a crucial point to counterbalance the value game. Trading value works great in a rebuild or demolition mode but teams that win consistently are the ones with long-term consistent players.If he has a productive season for you at age 28, you don't HAVE TO trade him the next season. I understand why people talk about players losing trade value and treating the game like a stock market to some extent (those are all essential elements), but sometimes we fail to see the forest for the trees, and forget that ultimately the game is about production. If some one can get Thomas now at a relative discount and he has three highly productive seasons does it matter that in year 4 you'd need to sell him for even less because he's entering his age 31 season?
Why would you move those two guys on a rebuild? Personally I'm not a huge Landry fan and would consider moving him, but those seem like guys you should be building around.What sort of value do you guys see Mike Evans and Jarvis Landry having? I took over a team and it's in some dire need of a rebuild. Those are probably 2 of the better pieces I have, just not sure what a fair price for them would be.
Sure, I'd like to keep Evans, but at the same time, if someone offered me something really good for him, I wouldn't turn it away. As for Landry, I guess I'm just worried if he can keep the high target rate going forward. With Parker healthy next season, I think his numbers dip. He's not a big TD guy, so if his targets drop, he's not nearly as valuable, IMO.Why would you move those two guys on a rebuild? Personally I'm not a huge Landry fan and would consider moving him, but those seem like guys you should be building around.
I dropped Yeldon WAY down after they signed Ivory. Probably an overcorrection, but I also thought he was inappropriately overvalued at about RB6-7 overall. I've got him around RB15 today.Is the perceived value on Yeldon less since Ivory came in? The reverse true for Jones since Alf left?
Evans is a guy I'm looking to move. Yes he has incredible athletic ability but his hands concern me. I'm not going to sell him cheap but if I can move him for Amari Cooper, Allen Robinson, or Sammy Watkins I'm all over it. Basically I'm moving him for a similarly valued young stud WR. That's a move that I can see being a huge gain a few years from now that looks like a lateral move right now.What sort of value do you guys see Mike Evans and Jarvis Landry having? I took over a team and it's in some dire need of a rebuild. Those are probably 2 of the better pieces I have, just not sure what a fair price for them would be.
I'd say no to getting Cooks for the 1.1 myself but it's a legit offer to make.Cooks seems to be going late 1st to mid 2nd in a startup dynasty. Would the 1.1 owner take a straight up trade or is that selling cooks a bit short?
If I could keep only one, it would be Jones.Interested in the what the value is for TJ Yeldon and Matt Jones.
Is the perceived value on Yeldon less since Ivory came in? The reverse true for Jones since Alf left?
I have both in a contract keeper league and really can't keep both.
Agree that in general Evans and Landry are foundation pieces to build on but also agree with your take on Landry. Completely different offense, he's not done so hot as an outside WR so to some degree he's scheme specific and since he's been high volume in the past scheme it's a bit of concern that he can only go one way. Their is a counter argument to make and that's he's super young, has been a very consistent producer, can probably improve the TD's and his game has a lot of elements of a young Hines Ward to me. But all that being said if you can get someone to pay based on what's he was last yer and remove yourself from worry about a regression I think it's good business.Sure, I'd like to keep Evans, but at the same time, if someone offered me something really good for him, I wouldn't turn it away. As for Landry, I guess I'm just worried if he can keep the high target rate going forward. With Parker healthy next season, I think his numbers dip. He's not a big TD guy, so if his targets drop, he's not nearly as valuable, IMO.
He can make contested catches really well and has strong hands and I know it's a bit of cliche but I think his drops are concentration drops but it's an issue he needs to work on. But it's not my concern with him, that concern would be getting in shape and some stuff on that:Evans is a guy I'm looking to move. Yes he has incredible athletic ability but his hands concern me.
Yeldon dropped from about 37 overall (RB7) to about 60th (RB16). I think that's an overcorrection. If you can trade Hurns, Sanders, and similar WR for him in a PPR league I would do it. His long term upside isn't affected much. That said I would prefer Henry to him even in a PPR league and he's RB17. He is still tradeable at his current valuation depending on what you get back.Interested in the what the value is for TJ Yeldon and Matt Jones.
Is the perceived value on Yeldon less since Ivory came in? The reverse true for Jones since Alf left?
I have both in a contract keeper league and really can't keep both.
to be honest I'm not sure I see him being worth much. When has he looked good? Maybe you watch more Vikings games than me but I want no parts of that passing game. Maybe you can blame the play calling too but to me Teddy doesn't pass the eye test, I don't see him ever being a starter in a 12 team league myself. He isn't terrible but he is just a bit slow to react and a tad too inaccurate for me to want himThoughts on Bridgewater at this point? Looks good but it seems like they have him running the slowest offense possible.
If he was my backup QB I'd be on the lookout for a low cost backup QB upgrade.Thoughts on Bridgewater at this point? Looks good but it seems like they have him running the slowest offense possible.
Wow. That seems light in the pantaloons. It would have to be a late first for me.Matt Jones is not the answer. Who knows what Washington will do but I'm guessing they will add an RB in the draft. I'd be really happy to get a late second rookie pick for him.
He got the touches but it think PFF or Outsiders has him as pretty much the worst starting RB late year. Plus, I think there's a high chance he loses his job this year.Wow. That seems light in the pantaloons. It would have to be a late first for me.
Can't say I'm equipped to disagree with any of that, but in terms of his current value I think he's worth more than a late second, which is pretty close to a swing for the fences.He got the touches but it think PFF or Outsiders has him as pretty much the worst starting RB late year. Plus, I think there's a high chance he loses his job this year.